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If utility>damage, then is Bishop>Domino?
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Bishop has energy resistance, can REGENERATE, can purify bleed debuffs (god vs caltrops and biohazard), can gain extra power, he can go stun immune (OP vs encroaching stun), unblockable specials (OP vs block opponents like red skull), does energy damage (god vs electro and iceman), and has thick prestige (83rd percentile almost as good as doom).
domino has RNG based damage and no utility
the choice is clear, save your mutant items for bishop (the god)
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So, if you have enough skill to not make a mistake and enough stamina to endure the ever-so-looooong fights with Bishop, why not
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CHARLATANS.
You speak of the glory of Bishop, but how many of you truly believe?
I’d dare say none.
I ranked him the week he came out.
Now begone! And don’t come disrespecting his legacy again until you’ve r3’d your sig 200 6*. HEATHENS!
It doesn’t matter if you have all the utility in the world if you can quite literally nuke down the enemies health before any danger comes up. In RoL I did 78k damage before he reached 1 bar of power.
I quit the fight as soon as he reached a bar of power and the incinerate expired.
I can’t tell you how many times there has been a tough Cav or UC (when my account was smaller) boss that I took Hype or G2099 and put them down before the nodes had a chance to screw with me.
Utility is great but damage is how you win fights at the end of the day (of course unless it’s something with strict requirements like diss track or buffed up).
people do desperate thing when they need prestige and you aren’t exactly the happiest camper about that rankup
I’m of the opinion that there is a threshold for damage. A champ like Ebony Maw doesn’t get used because they have no damage. Not because he can’t do fights, it’s just that you spend so long in them that your chances of slipping up due to boredom grow exponentially.
However, once a champ has a respectable level of damage output, say Killmonger or Claire, at that point, that’s when utility becomes the prevailing factor. That’s what makes a champ good after that point
Fights in this game are like a puzzle. You have to find a counter to champion abilities and nodes. Now, damage very rarely the key to solve these puzzles. No node reads ‘deal 5000 damage in one hit to do X’.
Utility is how you solve the fights in this game. Damage, if you like, is the auxiliary solution. It’s generally never the intended solution, nor is it typically the most effective. It tends to be the payoff, as we’ve seen in act 7.
That’s what the whole domino debate is really about. What makes a champion good? Is it their ability to push through problems, or is it to actually solve them?
Domino might be able to burst through a tricky fight, but that’s only going to get you so far. Eventually there is going to be a door you can’t just blast your way through. You’ll need the key.
That’s why I think utility is more important than damage. All champions deal damage. Any key named ‘damage’ can be reasonably done by most champs. But a key named ‘bleed immunity’ or ‘evade counter’ is not going to be covered by every champ. Never mind the doors with multiple locks.
I think you get many more keys out of investing in a utility champ over a damage champ.
Is bishop better than domino? No. Clearly not. His utility isn’t particularly strong or practical. And his damage is sub par to dominos. Plus he kills himself. The OG Ihulk.
But there’s a reason I took Emma Frost to R3 over domino, Sabretooth, even colossus. Those champs have a lot of damage. But Emma has utility. Lots of it. And when it comes down to it, I would rather have an arsenal of utility over high damage.
Not to say high damage champs are bad, they clearly aren’t. They might kill an iron fist in 10 seconds, but they might not be able to kill a Hyperion, or Modok without resorting to burst and revives.
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Really, it just depends how big a bomb you’ve got.
But at the same time, she hulk, stealthy, etc are going to be much safer options, and safer investments for the future.
I doubt we’ll see anything a fully roided up Ægon can’t take on, but at the same time, Ægon is unparalleled in that regard. I would interested whether other ‘high damage champs’ like domino, Corvus, CMM could take that fight like Ægon does
2. To that I would say yes both. If you can overpower a champ before they become an issue, that is just as viable a solution as quaking the whole thing. Idk side tangent, I feel like a lot of people aren’t aware of mechanical utility unless that is literally their playstyle (like Quake). Domino has an unparryable first light and second dash attack hit that can deal with Electros and Medusa’s and the like. She can string together 11 hit combos on any parry, making Void a laughing matter. She can also do crazy damage with 2hit combos, keeping power low and hit count lower (Thing, Counter Tactics, special delivery, etc).
Although I do feel like the damage vs utility debate is interesting, I can’t get behind it so long as Domino is the staple “all damage no utility” because that’s simply not true.
2. You could argue that’s utility. But is effective, is it practical? If you have no other options, sure.
But take electro for example. You’re only throwing two hit comboes. Which means you damage output is limited on basic comboes, you have to find more openings, which is going to result in more block damage or risky intercepts, plus you’ll be getting less power over time comparatively and per opening. And when domino is relying on specials for damage, it’s significantly hindering any point to use her
The Medusa highlights a point around building a roster around high damage champs. I’m not sure why you would use domino against Medusa in the first place since any nullify or true strike champ is much easier. But if you are relying on domino for that, to me that’s showing a huge gap in someone’s roster.
11 hit combos requires a synergy, and if you’re sacrificing a spot to make domino counter void better, you might as well just bring a void counter.
I’m assuming your final point is referring to the domino trinity with the 2 hit thing. It doesn’t really keep power low. Comparatively heavy attacks give the opponent more power. But they do have a high hit-damage ratio, which is proven to be very effective
Finally, I think painting domino as the “all damage no utility” champ is entirely fair. You pointed out 3 scenarios. From what I garner from it, the specific utility points you pointed out there are pretty much only applicable to those matchups.
The argument is that she has no real utility. She doesn’t do anything effectively, or the best. It depends whether you define utility as just any ability a champ can do, or an ability that is actually effective within a roster. By my definition, the second one, no, she doesn’t have any real utility. She is almost never going to solve a problem within a roster that isn’t just “can I burst this down before I die”. Which might be a perfectly viable solution. But it shouldn’t be relied upon or integrated into a roster
In my opinion, domino works best as a champion that gets players through act 5, and maybe 6.1, while they build up a roster that can actually effectively tackle content.
I know it sounds like I’ve been absolutely slating her here, and I suppose I have been. She’s not a bad champ. She’s shown that she does do things for people. And KD does hate on her a bit much. But I’ve got a R2 6*. And I know that if I encounter a problem, she never even enters the conversation. Because even when it comes to bursting things down, she’s not the most effective at that