Stepping away from suicides....

smy168

So I've been running Suicides the last year plus and finally decided to go back to the "plain jane" of masteries...

things I've noticed the most...

1. definitely less damage
2. kinda fun being able to use SP 1 and 2 without recoil
3. very cool to be able to use "all" my champs as I choose

haha....I know some of you turn them on and off...

Was wondering what your thoughts may be for some of the beginners out there getting ready to hit 60 points....

My opinion...you have to try Suicides at least once, they have hybrid versions but I went full on, it was fun and with the right champs you can really clear content. I found it to be very very synergy-centric...for example, Fury+Deadpool helps regen some bleed damage...

Enjoy all.

RogerRabs

I did the same. Too many champions that aren't suicide friendly and too big of a cost to be constantly switching between.

Think it's well past time to re-examine the mastery system.

FiiNCH

I turned mine off a month ago and I’ve been having more fun for sure. Using the same handful of champs for everything gets a bit dull.

Mobile_P0tat0

I turned mine off due to how many apocalypse bosses we've been seeing in war, this way I can tigra them with no fear of weakness on the sp1.

Masterpuff

Ive recently done the same. I put them on sometimes but have really been enjoying other champs.

Grean

should I get suicides?

TitoBandito187

Grean said:

should I get suicides?

It's all in the eye of the beholder and worth testing out for yourself.

Stealthy won't like them and shehulk needs to throw specials. I don't like quake losing 10% health every fight. Claire and Aegon are both awesome with suicides, but still great without them. Emma and Warlock can go either way, but I I prefer to sp2s more and warlock can't regen from willpower so even though he'll hit harder, is that better than losing access to multiple sp2s. VOID is more of a pain too so avoid him in war with suicides if you can.

Test it out and see if the trade offs are worth it for your needs and preferred play style.

Gamer

I’m tourn them back one fully time since I’m low key start to go more arean. No really alliance fouce map3

Jaded

I only turn on suicides when I’m not in an alliance. Which hasn’t happened in years.

I don’t advocate for people using them all the time, but should be unlocked for when they are greatly beneficial.

DualityCope

Grean said:

should I get suicides?

Unless you have like idk 10k units to spare you won't need them. Stealthy is better without them, she hulk either way but prob better without, the others better with them. But tbh If you've made it this far without them no point in getting them, use the units on content instead.

Erosenseiog

Grean said:

should I get suicides?

5 Vs 2 ; surely you will be benefitted.

Rbk19

I usually run suicides once war season is over and switch back to normal when season starts

Matty_Ice

I will typically run suicides most of the time and turn them off for war placement and then back on. Arena feels way more grindy without them. But I’ve noticed with this cav EQ that most of the best counters are non suicide champs. Keeping them off to do cav EQ and then will turn them back on.

Vendemiaire

I only turn them off once a week or once every two weeks to tackle non-suicide friendly paths in Story content. This is what I did when I explored 7.1. There are some paths that demands you to switch it off, some can be bypassed but some cannot be. I have them on for my daily AQ/AW and doing Arena without them is hell. I enjoy having them off more but they really save time, and I value my time more.

EDIT: I wish Kabam revamps the mastery system. It's too outdated compared to a lot of mastery system available in other games. Switching on/off is a hassle too.

TrashyPanda

I can't turn them off. Everything is just so slow without cides.

I don't really run into trouble using them unless I use a champ that relies on sp1s... or if I run into a Void.

Sometimes you just gotta pay the Void-tax.

GroundedWisdom

Never ran them myself. Not sure I'll ever bother.

BuffBeast

Personally, I don’t think I’ll use suicides ever unless I’m looking for high prestige or if I feel like making corvus actually useful in act 6

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Deacon

i've never used them .. was thinking of giving them a try at least once but i haven't run into a situation in which i couldn't clear content (faster, slower .. that's all debatable lol)

Vendemiaire

DeaconVelvet said:

i've never used them .. was thinking of giving them a try at least once but i haven't run into a situation in which i couldn't clear content (faster, slower .. that's all debatable lol)

Not debatable in Arena tho, lol.

Rhyu

once i turned off, i feel like im not fitted into full set of despair pack mastery, so i combined suicides with despair tree.

i do really enjoy using suicides as well, since my roster mostly benefited from it. i usually put red mags, cg, guardian (spam sp3 and blast sp2, no recoil damaged tho lol), wlock and others.

oh ya, most of them got a free 5-8% since the bleed become regen with wp and the recoil damage wasn't bother me at all.

phillgreen

I turn them on for a week or two, mess around a bit then turn them off for months and I have a few suicide friendly champs. I wish I never spent the units to be honest.

I'd love recoil to be placed after the two branches rather than before, I'd seriously consider leaving them on all the time but some of my favorite champs need to use specials and recoil stinks.

Epistriatus

Never used them. Unlocked recoil a long time ago, never used it, can’t even remember why I unlocked it 🤷‍♂️🤔
Aside from Abyss exploration all content is done, so don’t see a reason to unlock them.

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YoMoves

Meanwhile, in the 'literally have only used them twice' category...

Those two times were for the Dormammu arena when 4* arenas had hit their absolute most annnoying, and for the 7.1 legends run I'm still waiting to find out I lost. It's certainly fun using them, but as a nonwhale I can't really afford to keep them on and off constantly.

Daddrieda

I sometimes disable suicide. To get close damage comparison to full suicide build, but still want to use all champions. Then implant mastery points on offensive tree. First you give enough points for parry stun, extended stun duration and dexterity. The remaining points you dump on the offensive tree ( don’t dump them on suicide mastery. Just the normal ones) and you get something that I call “suicide mastery version 2.0, but without suicide mastery”. You would be able to critical hits and your normal damage hit would be close, well not that close obviously, to suicide mastery.

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Daddrieda

_Sham_ said:

Daddrieda said:

I sometimes disable suicide. To get close damage comparison to full suicide build, but still want to use all champions. Then implant mastery points on offensive tree. First you give enough points for parry stun, extended stun duration and dexterity. The remaining points you dump on the offensive tree ( don’t dump them on suicide mastery. Just the normal ones) and you get something that I call “suicide mastery version 2.0, but without suicide mastery”. You would be able to critical hits and your normal damage hit would be close, well not that close obviously, to suicide mastery.

Can you share that setup ? And how much attack bonus we can get compared to sucide ?

Yeah sure. Will get to it.

Daddrieda

Daddrieda said:

_Sham_ said:

Daddrieda said:

I sometimes disable suicide. To get close damage comparison to full suicide build, but still want to use all champions. Then implant mastery points on offensive tree. First you give enough points for parry stun, extended stun duration and dexterity. The remaining points you dump on the offensive tree ( don’t dump them on suicide mastery. Just the normal ones) and you get something that I call “suicide mastery version 2.0, but without suicide mastery”. You would be able to critical hits and your normal damage hit would be close, well not that close obviously, to suicide mastery.

Can you share that setup ? And how much attack bonus we can get compared to sucide ?

Yeah sure. Will get to it.

With suicide mastery activated you would get around 4000-4200 attack points. My math could be off. The difference is that the damage numbers might not be high, but will activate more yellow critical hits number to somewhat compensate when not using suicide mastery. This mastery is good for me, but also dangerous as there’s no points in defense so it’s skill reliable with being good with parry, intercept and so on, but at least you get to use full potential of your champions.

Giuliameij

@Daddrieda That actually seems like quite a fun build. However, the first points in the strength mastery might make too little difference in the grand picture to justify not getting the perfect block mastery over them. But it is indeed interesting.