Those who are saying Mole Man is overrated need to rank him up and actually use him. He's incredible. I'll be using him in war today for strike counter fury, brute force Thing, EMP mod IMIW, and quite possibly rage MODOK, strike counter power drain Medusa, and a Mole Man boss. He's so diverse. The damage in his utility phase is fine.
He ignores auto-block and evade, he's immune to shock, his unstoppable on block allows him to counter CSWS (don't know why @Monke is saying it doesn't), intercept repeatedly, and create easy openings against stun immune, he has 100% chance to purify debuffs, plus lots of debuffs and guaranteed crits. And it's extremely easy to keep 100% uptime on either his utility phase or his damage phase and it's also extremely easy to swap between both. Mysterio's utility is much more niche
Mysterios Utility is niche wtf. That’s like saying Warlock is a niche champ.
His unstoppable is literally a mile more niche and only works for one node. Stun immunity countering means that you have to take A hit (As far as I’ve used him), and with attack values being higher and higher, that ability will rarely work. Elsa’s bad Counter evade as I’d call it is more useful.
His debuff purify means you suffer his damage which is god awful out of frenzy. His evade/AB counter is alright I’ll give you it
How is mysterios utility niche? Like for real, I genuinely don’t know how you call Warlock a beyond god tier techs and Mysterio niche. Mysterio has similar power control, when used correctly Similar regen control, different immunities which are helpful in a lot of scenarios, and his poison/evade counter is niche how???? Poison champs are not very common, so having a poison champ is always awesome, and similar to Hyperion he isn’t reliant on only DOT damage, he can deal a crazy burst in the sp3 cycle. Mysterio has got way more useful utility then Mole Man, and I just don’t know how you call it Niche
Mole man has better damage I won’t disagree, but he’s definitely becoming overrated if you want to call Mysterios utility “Niche”
First of all, Mole Man's unstoppable works for tons of nodes like Can't Stop Won't Stop, Protect, Do Not Go Gentle, Stun Immunity, Debuff Immunity, Ægis Intercept, Mighty Charge, Ebb and Flow Intercept, and more. So what in the world are you talking about? Plus he has high health and physical resistance so taking a blocked hit barely matters.
His damage out of Frenzy is better than Mysterio's damage when he's using his utility. I know, cause I tested them both when I had my Mole Man was at R4 like my Mysterio. So I have no idea why you're acting like his damage is a problem.
And there are some big problems with Mysterio's utility. His heal block even with 3 chemical gases is super short and can fall off super easily the second the opponent goes passive. I mean, just imagine how much worse Stealthy would be if you had to throw 3 medium ending combos to make his slow debuff last for just 7 seconds, even if he didn't run out of cartridges. And then if you want Mysterio's power drain, you sacrifice your heal block. He can only do 1 at a time and he's not too great at either which means I don't want to use him in either of those situations.
Poison immunity is nice but common. His evade counter is great but there are just almost no situations where I'd want to use him over several other evade counters, especially since he needs a synergy to counter heros.
His only 3 valuable pieces of utility for me are extremely niche. AAR immunity, reversed controls immunity (which is synergy reliant), and poison.
All-in-all, I'd only use Mysterio for 2 things: Dominos, and nodes that require poison (which are very rare). If his other pieces of not-so-great utility come into play for those matchups, great, but I'm not going to use him in other matchups because of that utility.
Mole Man on the other hand works for so much and does it so well since he can counter all those nodes I mentioned at the beginning while also shrugging debuffs, ignoring auto-block and evade, and also having access to tons of debuffs, high damage, guaranteed crits, and shock immunity. And that's why my Mysterio's only R4 while my Mole Man's R5.
Those who are saying Mole Man is overrated need to rank him up and actually use him. He's incredible. I'll be using him in war today for strike counter fury, brute force Thing, EMP mod IMIW, and quite possibly rage MODOK, strike counter power drain Medusa, and a Mole Man boss. He's so diverse. The damage in his utility phase is fine.
He ignores auto-block and evade, he's immune to shock, his unstoppable on block allows him to counter CSWS (don't know why @-Monke is saying it doesn't), intercept repeatedly, and create easy openings against stun immune, he has 100% chance to purify debuffs, plus lots of debuffs and guaranteed crits. And it's extremely easy to keep 100% uptime on either his utility phase or his damage phase and it's also extremely easy to swap between both. Mysterio's utility is much more niche
Mysterios Utility is niche wtf. That’s like saying Warlock is a niche champ.
His unstoppable is literally a mile more niche and only works for one node. Stun immunity countering means that you have to take A hit (As far as I’ve used him), and with attack values being higher and higher, that ability will rarely work. Elsa’s bad Counter evade as I’d call it is more useful.
His debuff purify means you suffer his damage which is god awful out of frenzy. His evade/AB counter is alright I’ll give you it
How is mysterios utility niche? Like for real, I genuinely don’t know how you call Warlock a beyond god tier techs and Mysterio niche. Mysterio has similar power control, when used correctly Similar regen control, different immunities which are helpful in a lot of scenarios, and his poison/evade counter is niche how???? Poison champs are not very common, so having a poison champ is always awesome, and similar to Hyperion he isn’t reliant on only DOT damage, he can deal a crazy burst in the sp3 cycle. Mysterio has got way more useful utility then Mole Man, and I just don’t know how you call it Niche
Mole man has better damage I won’t disagree, but he’s definitely becoming overrated if you want to call Mysterios utility “Niche”
First of all, Mole Man's unstoppable works for tons of nodes like Can't Stop Won't Stop, Protect, Do Not Go Gentle, Stun Immunity, Debuff Immunity, Ægis Intercept, Mighty Charge, Ebb and Flow Intercept, and more. So what in the world are you talking about? Plus he has high health and physical resistance so taking a blocked hit barely matters.
His damage out of Frenzy is better than Mysterio's damage when he's using his utility. I know, cause I tested them both when I had my Mole Man was at R4 like my Mysterio. So I have no idea why you're acting like his damage is a problem.
And there are some big problems with Mysterio's utility. His heal block even with 3 chemical gases is super short and can fall off super easily the second the opponent goes passive. I mean, just imagine how much worse Stealthy would be if you had to throw 3 medium ending combos to make his slow debuff last for just 7 seconds, even if he didn't run out of cartridges. And then if you want Mysterio's power drain, you sacrifice your heal block. He can only do 1 at a time and he's not too great at either which means I don't want to use him in either of those situations.
Poison immunity is nice but common. His evade counter is great but there are just almost no situations where I'd want to use him over several other evade counters, especially since he needs a synergy to counter heros.
His only 3 valuable pieces of utility for me are extremely niche. AAR immunity, reversed controls immunity (which is synergy reliant), and poison.
All-in-all, I'd only use Mysterio for 2 things: Dominos, and nodes that require poison (which are very rare). If his other pieces of not-so-great utility come into play for those matchups, great, but I'm not going to use him in other matchups because of that utility.
Mole Man on the other hand works for so much and does it so well since he can counter all those nodes I mentioned at the beginning while also shrugging debuffs, ignoring auto-block and evade, and also having access to tons of debuffs, high damage, guaranteed crits, and shock immunity. And that's why my Mysterio's only R4 while my Mole Man's R5.
Mole man counters those nodes with his unstoppable, but that doesn’t take the fact he gets hit in the face, and with attack values rising, it will be less effective. If you look at his stats, he still has the same block prof as cull, and his pr is 2500, so not bad, but it's still incredibly risky. I don't know how people compare him and Ibom because Ibom reduces damage by more than 50% and can continuously regen almost infinitely.
"All-in-all, I'd only use Mysterio for 2 things: Dominos, and nodes that require poison (which are very rare)"
Bro what? Poison nodes are some of the most hardest in the game and have been scattered around. my friend Vega legit considered R3ing a 6* mysterio over Ghost as a matter of fact, he went with ghost in the end tho. There are 29 poison immune champs in this game and many difficult fights in which there is poison, so having that immunity is helpful
His heal block is great, I'm not sure what you mean by sacrificing his heal control with power control because his power control can work for fights like 6.1 CB. It's no beauty, but the fact its there makes it strong
If you look at how many nodes there are that punish critting, Mole Man's value goes down as well. At least Mysterio counters some of the general Huge crit counter champs like Scarlett witch and sinister. You'd have to get very unlucky, but Mysterio is arguably the best option for 6.2 Sinister with synergies
As for Stealthy's slow, Mysterio doesn't run out of web cartridges, and he doesn't have double mediums which can spend time, Mysterio only needs a light attack ender to get to the heal block easily, which isn't too much to ask for if you ask me.
Again, shrugging debuffs doesn't work after inside frenzy, Kingpin does it much better with a synergy. Mysterio's solid immunities make him a top option for fights like duped emma, and ofc the grandmaster. I won't deny it's niche, but it can be incredibly useful.
I won't deny Mole Man's damage is much better
Are you confusing a blocked hit with getting hit in the face? You do know he only needs to take a hit on the block for his unstoppable, right? And with his high health/physical resistance, it's not risky at all.
Poison nodes are hard since characters that deal poison are uncommon, but those nodes are also extremely uncommon so it's niche. And poison immunity, while nice like I said, is the most common immunity in the game.
His heal block with 3 chemical gas is already super short and not reliably sustainable so you really don't want to have to build them up again for a little bit of power control. And a 1 second heal block is absolutely worthless so you do need to start off by ramping up chemical gases. That's why I said you would need to throw 3 medium ending combos with Stealthy.
And sure, there are nodes/champs that punish crits, but you only mentioned 2 of them that Mysterio can counter, and he doesn't counter them very well compared to other champions. Meanwhile, there are also plenty of nodes that require crits which Mole Man works incredibly well for.
Kingpin's shrug off is no doubt better with a synergy, but Mole Man doesn't require a synergy and still shrugs off debuffs extremely well. I'd say it comes in handy much more than Mysterio's reversed controls immunity which is synergy reliant.
Underrated:DDHK, P99, Ronin, DragonMan Overrated:Thing and Elsa.
DDHK is my next r5, i used an ag on him and i really like him.(Im ranking him over Falcon, KM, and Elsa 👀)
Really?! I’m sincerely curious as to why @Masterpuff. I’ve really hated his buff but I want to be open minded on what DDHK is useful for and maybe I just haven’t found it yet
Underrated:DDHK, P99, Ronin, DragonMan Overrated:Thing and Elsa.
DDHK is my next r5, i used an ag on him and i really like him.(Im ranking him over Falcon, KM, and Elsa 👀)
Really?! I’m sincerely curious as to why @Masterpuff. I’ve really hated his buff but I want to be open minded on what DDHK is useful for and maybe I just haven’t found it yet
He isnt useful for much but he is really fun and has some of my favorite animations in the game.
Underrated:DDHK, P99, Ronin, DragonMan Overrated:Thing and Elsa.
DDHK is my next r5, i used an ag on him and i really like him.(Im ranking him over Falcon, KM, and Elsa 👀)
Really?! I’m sincerely curious as to why @Masterpuff. I’ve really hated his buff but I want to be open minded on what DDHK is useful for and maybe I just haven’t found it yet
He isnt useful for much but he is really fun and has some of my favorite animations in the game.
Shoot that’s why we play this game, can’t hate on that at all. I’m in the camp that was really disappointed with his buff. Based on the spotlight I was expecting a skill OG Wolvie with some AAR for fun and was disappointed when reality didn’t line up with that.
Underrated:DDHK, P99, Ronin, DragonMan Overrated:Thing and Elsa.
DDHK is my next r5, i used an ag on him and i really like him.(Im ranking him over Falcon, KM, and Elsa 👀)
Really?! I’m sincerely curious as to why @Masterpuff. I’ve really hated his buff but I want to be open minded on what DDHK is useful for and maybe I just haven’t found it yet
He isnt useful for much but he is really fun and has some of my favorite animations in the game.
Shoot that’s why we play this game, can’t hate on that at all. I’m in the camp that was really disappointed with his buff. Based on the spotlight I was expecting a skill OG Wolvie with some AAR for fun and was disappointed when reality didn’t line up with that.
Yeah he isnt up on the level of Falcon, Ronin, Nick, Elsa Etc. But we play this game for fun.
Those who are saying Mole Man is overrated need to rank him up and actually use him. He's incredible. I'll be using him in war today for strike counter fury, brute force Thing, EMP mod IMIW, and quite possibly rage MODOK, strike counter power drain Medusa, and a Mole Man boss. He's so diverse. The damage in his utility phase is fine.
He ignores auto-block and evade, he's immune to shock, his unstoppable on block allows him to counter CSWS (don't know why @-Monke is saying it doesn't), intercept repeatedly, and create easy openings against stun immune, he has 100% chance to purify debuffs, plus lots of debuffs and guaranteed crits. And it's extremely easy to keep 100% uptime on either his utility phase or his damage phase and it's also extremely easy to swap between both. Mysterio's utility is much more niche
Mysterios Utility is niche wtf. That’s like saying Warlock is a niche champ.
His unstoppable is literally a mile more niche and only works for one node. Stun immunity countering means that you have to take A hit (As far as I’ve used him), and with attack values being higher and higher, that ability will rarely work. Elsa’s bad Counter evade as I’d call it is more useful.
His debuff purify means you suffer his damage which is god awful out of frenzy. His evade/AB counter is alright I’ll give you it
How is mysterios utility niche? Like for real, I genuinely don’t know how you call Warlock a beyond god tier techs and Mysterio niche. Mysterio has similar power control, when used correctly Similar regen control, different immunities which are helpful in a lot of scenarios, and his poison/evade counter is niche how???? Poison champs are not very common, so having a poison champ is always awesome, and similar to Hyperion he isn’t reliant on only DOT damage, he can deal a crazy burst in the sp3 cycle. Mysterio has got way more useful utility then Mole Man, and I just don’t know how you call it Niche
Mole man has better damage I won’t disagree, but he’s definitely becoming overrated if you want to call Mysterios utility “Niche”
First of all, Mole Man's unstoppable works for tons of nodes like Can't Stop Won't Stop, Protect, Do Not Go Gentle, Stun Immunity, Debuff Immunity, Ægis Intercept, Mighty Charge, Ebb and Flow Intercept, and more. So what in the world are you talking about? Plus he has high health and physical resistance so taking a blocked hit barely matters.
His damage out of Frenzy is better than Mysterio's damage when he's using his utility. I know, cause I tested them both when I had my Mole Man was at R4 like my Mysterio. So I have no idea why you're acting like his damage is a problem.
And there are some big problems with Mysterio's utility. His heal block even with 3 chemical gases is super short and can fall off super easily the second the opponent goes passive. I mean, just imagine how much worse Stealthy would be if you had to throw 3 medium ending combos to make his slow debuff last for just 7 seconds, even if he didn't run out of cartridges. And then if you want Mysterio's power drain, you sacrifice your heal block. He can only do 1 at a time and he's not too great at either which means I don't want to use him in either of those situations.
Poison immunity is nice but common. His evade counter is great but there are just almost no situations where I'd want to use him over several other evade counters, especially since he needs a synergy to counter heros.
His only 3 valuable pieces of utility for me are extremely niche. AAR immunity, reversed controls immunity (which is synergy reliant), and poison.
All-in-all, I'd only use Mysterio for 2 things: Dominos, and nodes that require poison (which are very rare). If his other pieces of not-so-great utility come into play for those matchups, great, but I'm not going to use him in other matchups because of that utility.
Mole Man on the other hand works for so much and does it so well since he can counter all those nodes I mentioned at the beginning while also shrugging debuffs, ignoring auto-block and evade, and also having access to tons of debuffs, high damage, guaranteed crits, and shock immunity. And that's why my Mysterio's only R4 while my Mole Man's R5.
Mole man counters those nodes with his unstoppable, but that doesn’t take the fact he gets hit in the face, and with attack values rising, it will be less effective. If you look at his stats, he still has the same block prof as cull, and his pr is 2500, so not bad, but it's still incredibly risky. I don't know how people compare him and Ibom because Ibom reduces damage by more than 50% and can continuously regen almost infinitely.
"All-in-all, I'd only use Mysterio for 2 things: Dominos, and nodes that require poison (which are very rare)"
Bro what? Poison nodes are some of the most hardest in the game and have been scattered around. my friend Vega legit considered R3ing a 6* mysterio over Ghost as a matter of fact, he went with ghost in the end tho. There are 29 poison immune champs in this game and many difficult fights in which there is poison, so having that immunity is helpful
His heal block is great, I'm not sure what you mean by sacrificing his heal control with power control because his power control can work for fights like 6.1 CB. It's no beauty, but the fact its there makes it strong
If you look at how many nodes there are that punish critting, Mole Man's value goes down as well. At least Mysterio counters some of the general Huge crit counter champs like Scarlett witch and sinister. You'd have to get very unlucky, but Mysterio is arguably the best option for 6.2 Sinister with synergies
As for Stealthy's slow, Mysterio doesn't run out of web cartridges, and he doesn't have double mediums which can spend time, Mysterio only needs a light attack ender to get to the heal block easily, which isn't too much to ask for if you ask me.
Again, shrugging debuffs doesn't work after inside frenzy, Kingpin does it much better with a synergy. Mysterio's solid immunities make him a top option for fights like duped emma, and ofc the grandmaster. I won't deny it's niche, but it can be incredibly useful.
I won't deny Mole Man's damage is much better
Are you confusing a blocked hit with getting hit in the face? You do know he only needs to take a hit on the block for his unstoppable, right? And with his high health/physical resistance, it's not risky at all.
Yeah, but don't you have to get hit to actually attack? If I've gotten something wrong then that's my mistake. What's the best way to avoid that?
That's why I say KM is better as well, the indestructible is way more clutch
No need to get hit, just take a hit on the block and immediately dash in, same with all other unstoppable champs like Killmonger. The only time you would get hit is if you want to throw a heavy after a blocked hit, which is honestly still viable.
Underrated He's good for this side quest. He's stun immune while invisibility is on cooldown.
Overrated for me are stealth suit and omega red. Hardly ever use them at R5. OR needs suicides but then the rest of my champs suck. Stealthy I can't figure out the hype?
Those who are saying Mole Man is overrated need to rank him up and actually use him. He's incredible. I'll be using him in war today for strike counter fury, brute force Thing, EMP mod IMIW, and quite possibly rage MODOK, strike counter power drain Medusa, and a Mole Man boss. He's so diverse. The damage in his utility phase is fine.
He ignores auto-block and evade, he's immune to shock, his unstoppable on block allows him to counter CSWS (don't know why @-Monke is saying it doesn't), intercept repeatedly, and create easy openings against stun immune, he has 100% chance to purify debuffs, plus lots of debuffs and guaranteed crits. And it's extremely easy to keep 100% uptime on either his utility phase or his damage phase and it's also extremely easy to swap between both. Mysterio's utility is much more niche
Mysterios Utility is niche wtf. That’s like saying Warlock is a niche champ.
His unstoppable is literally a mile more niche and only works for one node. Stun immunity countering means that you have to take A hit (As far as I’ve used him), and with attack values being higher and higher, that ability will rarely work. Elsa’s bad Counter evade as I’d call it is more useful.
His debuff purify means you suffer his damage which is god awful out of frenzy. His evade/AB counter is alright I’ll give you it
How is mysterios utility niche? Like for real, I genuinely don’t know how you call Warlock a beyond god tier techs and Mysterio niche. Mysterio has similar power control, when used correctly Similar regen control, different immunities which are helpful in a lot of scenarios, and his poison/evade counter is niche how???? Poison champs are not very common, so having a poison champ is always awesome, and similar to Hyperion he isn’t reliant on only DOT damage, he can deal a crazy burst in the sp3 cycle. Mysterio has got way more useful utility then Mole Man, and I just don’t know how you call it Niche
Mole man has better damage I won’t disagree, but he’s definitely becoming overrated if you want to call Mysterios utility “Niche”
First of all, Mole Man's unstoppable works for tons of nodes like Can't Stop Won't Stop, Protect, Do Not Go Gentle, Stun Immunity, Debuff Immunity, Ægis Intercept, Mighty Charge, Ebb and Flow Intercept, and more. So what in the world are you talking about? Plus he has high health and physical resistance so taking a blocked hit barely matters.
His damage out of Frenzy is better than Mysterio's damage when he's using his utility. I know, cause I tested them both when I had my Mole Man was at R4 like my Mysterio. So I have no idea why you're acting like his damage is a problem.
And there are some big problems with Mysterio's utility. His heal block even with 3 chemical gases is super short and can fall off super easily the second the opponent goes passive. I mean, just imagine how much worse Stealthy would be if you had to throw 3 medium ending combos to make his slow debuff last for just 7 seconds, even if he didn't run out of cartridges. And then if you want Mysterio's power drain, you sacrifice your heal block. He can only do 1 at a time and he's not too great at either which means I don't want to use him in either of those situations.
Poison immunity is nice but common. His evade counter is great but there are just almost no situations where I'd want to use him over several other evade counters, especially since he needs a synergy to counter heros.
His only 3 valuable pieces of utility for me are extremely niche. AAR immunity, reversed controls immunity (which is synergy reliant), and poison.
All-in-all, I'd only use Mysterio for 2 things: Dominos, and nodes that require poison (which are very rare). If his other pieces of not-so-great utility come into play for those matchups, great, but I'm not going to use him in other matchups because of that utility.
Mole Man on the other hand works for so much and does it so well since he can counter all those nodes I mentioned at the beginning while also shrugging debuffs, ignoring auto-block and evade, and also having access to tons of debuffs, high damage, guaranteed crits, and shock immunity. And that's why my Mysterio's only R4 while my Mole Man's R5.
Mole man counters those nodes with his unstoppable, but that doesn’t take the fact he gets hit in the face, and with attack values rising, it will be less effective. If you look at his stats, he still has the same block prof as cull, and his pr is 2500, so not bad, but it's still incredibly risky. I don't know how people compare him and Ibom because Ibom reduces damage by more than 50% and can continuously regen almost infinitely.
"All-in-all, I'd only use Mysterio for 2 things: Dominos, and nodes that require poison (which are very rare)"
Bro what? Poison nodes are some of the most hardest in the game and have been scattered around. my friend Vega legit considered R3ing a 6* mysterio over Ghost as a matter of fact, he went with ghost in the end tho. There are 29 poison immune champs in this game and many difficult fights in which there is poison, so having that immunity is helpful
His heal block is great, I'm not sure what you mean by sacrificing his heal control with power control because his power control can work for fights like 6.1 CB. It's no beauty, but the fact its there makes it strong
If you look at how many nodes there are that punish critting, Mole Man's value goes down as well. At least Mysterio counters some of the general Huge crit counter champs like Scarlett witch and sinister. You'd have to get very unlucky, but Mysterio is arguably the best option for 6.2 Sinister with synergies
As for Stealthy's slow, Mysterio doesn't run out of web cartridges, and he doesn't have double mediums which can spend time, Mysterio only needs a light attack ender to get to the heal block easily, which isn't too much to ask for if you ask me.
Again, shrugging debuffs doesn't work after inside frenzy, Kingpin does it much better with a synergy. Mysterio's solid immunities make him a top option for fights like duped emma, and ofc the grandmaster. I won't deny it's niche, but it can be incredibly useful.
I won't deny Mole Man's damage is much better
Are you confusing a blocked hit with getting hit in the face? You do know he only needs to take a hit on the block for his unstoppable, right? And with his high health/physical resistance, it's not risky at all.
Yeah, but don't you have to get hit to actually attack? If I've gotten something wrong then that's my mistake. What's the best way to avoid that?
That's why I say KM is better as well, the indestructible is way more clutch
No need to get hit, just take a hit on the block and immediately dash in, same with all other unstoppable champs like Killmonger. The only time you would get hit is if you want to throw a heavy after a blocked hit, which is honestly still viable.
I might need more practice on it thanks for da tip
i think that jane foster, civil warrior, howard, and mordo r most underrated. overrated is probably guilly99. shes really not that good unless you have her ramped up, and even then its still a bit of a long ramp up. i personally think she should be in "solid god tier" and not "beyond god tier"
Those who are saying Mole Man is overrated need to rank him up and actually use him. He's incredible. I'll be using him in war today for strike counter fury, brute force Thing, EMP mod IMIW, and quite possibly rage MODOK, strike counter power drain Medusa, and a Mole Man boss. He's so diverse. The damage in his utility phase is fine.
He ignores auto-block and evade, he's immune to shock, his unstoppable on block allows him to counter CSWS (don't know why @-Monke is saying it doesn't), intercept repeatedly, and create easy openings against stun immune, he has 100% chance to purify debuffs, plus lots of debuffs and guaranteed crits. And it's extremely easy to keep 100% uptime on either his utility phase or his damage phase and it's also extremely easy to swap between both. Mysterio's utility is much more niche
Mysterios Utility is niche wtf. That’s like saying Warlock is a niche champ.
His unstoppable is literally a mile more niche and only works for one node. Stun immunity countering means that you have to take A hit (As far as I’ve used him), and with attack values being higher and higher, that ability will rarely work. Elsa’s bad Counter evade as I’d call it is more useful.
His debuff purify means you suffer his damage which is god awful out of frenzy. His evade/AB counter is alright I’ll give you it
How is mysterios utility niche? Like for real, I genuinely don’t know how you call Warlock a beyond god tier techs and Mysterio niche. Mysterio has similar power control, when used correctly Similar regen control, different immunities which are helpful in a lot of scenarios, and his poison/evade counter is niche how???? Poison champs are not very common, so having a poison champ is always awesome, and similar to Hyperion he isn’t reliant on only DOT damage, he can deal a crazy burst in the sp3 cycle. Mysterio has got way more useful utility then Mole Man, and I just don’t know how you call it Niche
Mole man has better damage I won’t disagree, but he’s definitely becoming overrated if you want to call Mysterios utility “Niche”
First of all, Mole Man's unstoppable works for tons of nodes like Can't Stop Won't Stop, Protect, Do Not Go Gentle, Stun Immunity, Debuff Immunity, Ægis Intercept, Mighty Charge, Ebb and Flow Intercept, and more. So what in the world are you talking about? Plus he has high health and physical resistance so taking a blocked hit barely matters.
His damage out of Frenzy is better than Mysterio's damage when he's using his utility. I know, cause I tested them both when I had my Mole Man was at R4 like my Mysterio. So I have no idea why you're acting like his damage is a problem.
And there are some big problems with Mysterio's utility. His heal block even with 3 chemical gases is super short and can fall off super easily the second the opponent goes passive. I mean, just imagine how much worse Stealthy would be if you had to throw 3 medium ending combos to make his slow debuff last for just 7 seconds, even if he didn't run out of cartridges. And then if you want Mysterio's power drain, you sacrifice your heal block. He can only do 1 at a time and he's not too great at either which means I don't want to use him in either of those situations.
Poison immunity is nice but common. His evade counter is great but there are just almost no situations where I'd want to use him over several other evade counters, especially since he needs a synergy to counter heros.
His only 3 valuable pieces of utility for me are extremely niche. AAR immunity, reversed controls immunity (which is synergy reliant), and poison.
All-in-all, I'd only use Mysterio for 2 things: Dominos, and nodes that require poison (which are very rare). If his other pieces of not-so-great utility come into play for those matchups, great, but I'm not going to use him in other matchups because of that utility.
Mole Man on the other hand works for so much and does it so well since he can counter all those nodes I mentioned at the beginning while also shrugging debuffs, ignoring auto-block and evade, and also having access to tons of debuffs, high damage, guaranteed crits, and shock immunity. And that's why my Mysterio's only R4 while my Mole Man's R5.
Mole man counters those nodes with his unstoppable, but that doesn’t take the fact he gets hit in the face, and with attack values rising, it will be less effective. If you look at his stats, he still has the same block prof as cull, and his pr is 2500, so not bad, but it's still incredibly risky. I don't know how people compare him and Ibom because Ibom reduces damage by more than 50% and can continuously regen almost infinitely.
"All-in-all, I'd only use Mysterio for 2 things: Dominos, and nodes that require poison (which are very rare)"
Bro what? Poison nodes are some of the most hardest in the game and have been scattered around. my friend Vega legit considered R3ing a 6* mysterio over Ghost as a matter of fact, he went with ghost in the end tho. There are 29 poison immune champs in this game and many difficult fights in which there is poison, so having that immunity is helpful
His heal block is great, I'm not sure what you mean by sacrificing his heal control with power control because his power control can work for fights like 6.1 CB. It's no beauty, but the fact its there makes it strong
If you look at how many nodes there are that punish critting, Mole Man's value goes down as well. At least Mysterio counters some of the general Huge crit counter champs like Scarlett witch and sinister. You'd have to get very unlucky, but Mysterio is arguably the best option for 6.2 Sinister with synergies
As for Stealthy's slow, Mysterio doesn't run out of web cartridges, and he doesn't have double mediums which can spend time, Mysterio only needs a light attack ender to get to the heal block easily, which isn't too much to ask for if you ask me.
Again, shrugging debuffs doesn't work after inside frenzy, Kingpin does it much better with a synergy. Mysterio's solid immunities make him a top option for fights like duped emma, and ofc the grandmaster. I won't deny it's niche, but it can be incredibly useful.
I won't deny Mole Man's damage is much better
Are you confusing a blocked hit with getting hit in the face? You do know he only needs to take a hit on the block for his unstoppable, right? And with his high health/physical resistance, it's not risky at all.
Yeah, but don't you have to get hit to actually attack? If I've gotten something wrong then that's my mistake. What's the best way to avoid that?
That's why I say KM is better as well, the indestructible is way more clutch
No need to get hit, just take a hit on the block and immediately dash in, same with all other unstoppable champs like Killmonger. The only time you would get hit is if you want to throw a heavy after a blocked hit, which is honestly still viable.
I might need more practice on it thanks for da tip
there no such thing as "god tier" they do not exist in this game.
God teir just means like a really good champ. Could be called literally anything but its called God teir due to the influence of a certain pasty british gambler.
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His damage out of Frenzy is better than Mysterio's damage when he's using his utility. I know, cause I tested them both when I had my Mole Man was at R4 like my Mysterio. So I have no idea why you're acting like his damage is a problem.
And there are some big problems with Mysterio's utility. His heal block even with 3 chemical gases is super short and can fall off super easily the second the opponent goes passive. I mean, just imagine how much worse Stealthy would be if you had to throw 3 medium ending combos to make his slow debuff last for just 7 seconds, even if he didn't run out of cartridges. And then if you want Mysterio's power drain, you sacrifice your heal block. He can only do 1 at a time and he's not too great at either which means I don't want to use him in either of those situations.
Poison immunity is nice but common. His evade counter is great but there are just almost no situations where I'd want to use him over several other evade counters, especially since he needs a synergy to counter heros.
His only 3 valuable pieces of utility for me are extremely niche. AAR immunity, reversed controls immunity (which is synergy reliant), and poison.
All-in-all, I'd only use Mysterio for 2 things: Dominos, and nodes that require poison (which are very rare). If his other pieces of not-so-great utility come into play for those matchups, great, but I'm not going to use him in other matchups because of that utility.
Mole Man on the other hand works for so much and does it so well since he can counter all those nodes I mentioned at the beginning while also shrugging debuffs, ignoring auto-block and evade, and also having access to tons of debuffs, high damage, guaranteed crits, and shock immunity. And that's why my Mysterio's only R4 while my Mole Man's R5.
Poison nodes are hard since characters that deal poison are uncommon, but those nodes are also extremely uncommon so it's niche. And poison immunity, while nice like I said, is the most common immunity in the game.
His heal block with 3 chemical gas is already super short and not reliably sustainable so you really don't want to have to build them up again for a little bit of power control. And a 1 second heal block is absolutely worthless so you do need to start off by ramping up chemical gases. That's why I said you would need to throw 3 medium ending combos with Stealthy.
And sure, there are nodes/champs that punish crits, but you only mentioned 2 of them that Mysterio can counter, and he doesn't counter them very well compared to other champions. Meanwhile, there are also plenty of nodes that require crits which Mole Man works incredibly well for.
Kingpin's shrug off is no doubt better with a synergy, but Mole Man doesn't require a synergy and still shrugs off debuffs extremely well. I'd say it comes in handy much more than Mysterio's reversed controls immunity which is synergy reliant.
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He's good for this side quest. He's stun immune while invisibility is on cooldown.
Overrated for me are stealth suit and omega red. Hardly ever use them at R5. OR needs suicides but then the rest of my champs suck. Stealthy I can't figure out the hype?
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