Do you agree with kabam John?

Riptide

In Bgs video where he had 8 people talk about rank ups, kabam John made some interesting points.

He said that it is better to take a champ with better utility but less damage to R3, then someone likes mags who has crazy damage.

Start the debate!

Whitestalker

I think that we should always rank 3 damage dealers.

Lvernon15

Depends on the method of damage, someone like mags or aegon isn’t going to gain as much benefit as someone like Corvus or cmm due to their methods of damage, ramp vs burst

Agent_X_zzz

It depends on what champion it is also, and the situation that person is in considering content pretsige etc.

Palanthrax

Rank 3 is not the end goal. Rank 5 is the end goal. You therefore want to R3 the best champions in the game, and they are usually the champs that deal strong damage along with utility.

Lvernon15

Palanthrax said:

Rank 3 is not the end goal. Rank 5 is the end goal. You therefore want to R3 the best champions in the game, and they are usually the champs that deal strong damage along with utility.

By the time r4/5 is out r3 will be common, imo this is more about the shorter term game

SatsuiNoHadou

It’s also a question of survivability vs pure damage output. Utility is gonna be vital in helping you to make it out of a fight alive instead of just bashing through; if you can’t survive long enough to inflict that damage then it’s not such a good tradeoff.

BitterSteel

I actually agree with Kabam John, I think that having someone like Ghost or Cosmic Ghost Rider at rank 2 is enough. Not as in, don't rank them up they're good enough. But more like they are so incredible that even at rank 2 they are very much viable for end game content. But take someone like SpiderGwen. She is definitely a useful champion, with a really great set of abilities and utilities. But her damage isn't the absolute best. I'm not saying it's bad damage, it's above average, but would you bring an r2 SpiderGwen over an r2 ghost?

I'm also not saying you'd bring an r3 Spidergwen over ghost, but it makes SpiderGwen actually way more viable for endgame content when you take her r2 to r3, compared to the difference it makes for an r2 to r3 ghost.

I for one had a choice similar a few months ago. I had an unduped Nick Fury and a duped falcon. I could take one to r3, i was already thronebreaker so time wasn't an issue. I could take one of them up, or wait and see if I duped Nick. At the time Abyss wasn't 100%, at 4 paths to go, but i didnt have aegon so that was a roadblock for me.

I decided to take up Falcon, purely because I knew Nick was better when awakened, and if I didn't rank Falcon now, I probably wouldn't for ages. And to use Falcon in endgame, sure he didnt need to be r3, but if I awakened Nick, why would i use falcon, if not for him being r3?

So i took up Falcon and never regretted it once, i already loved his playstyle, damage and utility but with the extra damage and health of an r3 it was amazing.

Side note: I pulled Aegon pretty much two days later, allowing me to 100% Abyss within the month and I used the generic on Nick, didn't pull skill from the t5cc but I still use Nick when i need him, because he's one of those champions that is incredible at r2. I would have used Falcon at r2, but at r3 he's one of my most used champions.

BitterSteel

Lvernon15 said:

Depends on the method of damage, someone like mags or aegon isn’t going to gain as much benefit as someone like Corvus or cmm due to their methods of damage, ramp vs burst

Just to add, not in terms of damage, but I'd argue Mags is one champ who really really benefits from being r3. And surprisingly this is because of damage through block. Magneto has his 50% perfect block, which is awesome don't get me wrong. But in longer content, where block damage can take it's toll, that extra health from being r3 can be the difference between life and death. Just take someone like IMIW in abyss. If you take an r5 Mags into that fight, itll be tough to get him down just due to the block damage, you will rarely run out of abyss charges with Mags and his low hit count style. But with the r3 you last longer, and do a hell of a lot more damage

TitoBandito187

Magneto has a ton of utility against metal champs. shuts down abilities, reverses regen, has perfect block, reduces DoT from bleeds. Magneto is a no brainer R3. Damage + utility.

Kabam John can do what he wants with his account and I'll do what I want with mine. People should choose for themselves. R3 who you want/can. At one point, they won't be that special anymore anyway and you'll want damage, utility and both from a variety of champs to counter specific nodes and content.

xNig

I agree with Kabam John.

Utility decides whether you CAN take the fight. Damage decides how long you take.

Duration has no bearing if a champ cannot take the fight.

ItsDamien

xNig said:

I agree with Kabam John.

Utility decides whether you CAN take the fight. Damage decides how long you take.

Duration has no bearing if a champ cannot take the fight.

My only issue is that nowadays there are champs with high damage and utility that are better to wait for than just the champs with the better utility and lower damage. Especially now when you can have a team of 5 champs for questing that can cover all the utility you'd need plus having that higher damage.

Duration always has a bearing regardless. Low damage and great utility just means you have to extend the length of time you can't mess up or die to potential block damage.

Ultimately until the availability of rank up materials are able to be acquired easily by the majority, ranking up less desirable champs isn't really the best investment, especially if people are doing it just for TB.

DNA3000

xNig said:

I agree with Kabam John.

Utility decides whether you CAN take the fight. Damage decides how long you take.

Duration has no bearing if a champ cannot take the fight.

It depends on how you define "utility" but my definition mirrors this one: to me utility is a measure of how broadly useful a champion is. At the moment most people doing rank 3 rankups have very few, if any rank 3s. When you only have a few, you need to get the most bang for buck, and every r3 has to be as widely useful as possible, in my opinion.

Putang76

I believe he was saying take utility over damage when ranking to R3, because at rank 3’s damage is not much more then a rank 5/65.
And you can always rank the damage dealer later when you need it!

StevieManWonder

I totally agree with him. I mean, take a look at some of my 6r3s, damage clearly isn't everything. Take Psylocke for example: she has one of the best power control kits in the game, but her damage is lackluster. Having her at r3 makes the fights where I use her go by much faster.

Prakhar_82

I really don't think he said anything like that. He might have said anything else but you got it wrong.Can you post a sreenshot?

Spurgeon14

ItsDamien said:

xNig said:

I agree with Kabam John.

Utility decides whether you CAN take the fight. Damage decides how long you take.

Duration has no bearing if a champ cannot take the fight.

My only issue is that nowadays there are champs with high damage and utility that are better to wait for than just the champs with the better utility and lower damage. Especially now when you can have a team of 5 champs for questing that can cover all the utility you'd need plus having that higher damage.

Duration always has a bearing regardless. Low damage and great utility just means you have to extend the length of time you can't mess up or die to potential block damage.

Ultimately until the availability of rank up materials are able to be acquired easily by the majority, ranking up less desirable champs isn't really the best investment, especially if people are doing it just for TB.

I couldn't agree more. It's not really that hard to build a team that has both. I am a F2P player but have built up a solid set of champs, now have 23 5* R5s and 6* R2s/R3 and these days you can build up both. I find damage dealers more fun but utility definitely has its place and the best champs have some of both.

The_Sentry06

I agree with Kabam John but some damage also has to be considered. I wouldn't rank 3 someone like Psycho-Man.

Prakhar_82

The_Sentry06 said:

I agree with Kabam John but some damage also has to be considered. I wouldn't rank 3 someone like Psycho-Man.

I mean I would rank 3 psycho man if it's for TB. Beside that, never.

No_oneuk

I just don't see how r3 magneto would help at all. If he's r2 or r3, either way I have to build power to sp3 and throw it. If the sp3 does 400k or 500k doesn't matter they're still dead 🤷🏻‍♂️

DrZola

DNA3000 said:

xNig said:

I agree with Kabam John.

Utility decides whether you CAN take the fight. Damage decides how long you take.

Duration has no bearing if a champ cannot take the fight.

It depends on how you define "utility" but my definition mirrors this one: to me utility is a measure of how broadly useful a champion is. At the moment most people doing rank 3 rankups have very few, if any rank 3s. When you only have a few, you need to get the most bang for buck, and every r3 has to be as widely useful as possible, in my opinion.

Right.

But...is Magneto the best example of damage over utility?

Magnetized is a pretty darn useful utility, before you add things like shock, energy damage and bleed resistance.

If we are talking Hit-Monkey versus someone like Mysterio, that’s probably a better comparison. I’m more than a little surprised Magneto was the example used.

Dr. Zola

xNig

Generally, on top of utility, if the playstyle requires the additional 16% health, they’re worth R3 as well, Eg Mag HT AA etc

Liquidkold

This game is always about diversity. As more and more content comes out they are forcing you to use different champs then you would traditionally use. Act 7 and all of the variants prove that you need utility and damage, you have to find a mixture of both.

Colinwhitworth69

There is no one answer that fits all. Depends on your roster needs, the champs you are able to rank up, whether you run Recoil, and even the content you have to face. I value utility champs as long as their damage doesn’t stink.

Grean

Tbh if the utility is the same at r2 than r3, why not rank up a damage champ?

Kalantak

so i should rank 3 rocket racoon over warlock and ghost! yes i will do it thanks.