Ghost Abilities Changed after Update

Greetings people of the Mawtherhood,

So after this last update, I was curious about was exactly changed on Ghost abilities list, and the interaction between her phase mechanic and Psychic Attacks. I noticed you added an extra line of text to her abilities in regards to this, but that's not the issue here.

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Before Update:




After Update:





So, this small change basically reduces the efficiency of this ability in 2x ways:

- If the opponent has above 100% chance to evade an attack, he can evade guaranteed critical hits. Before the update, they shouldn't be evaded.
- The precision passive is required to stop the evade from triggering. Before the update, critical hits were the ones that would stop the evade from triggering. But now, by the wording here, is the precision passive. Considering the precision will disappear after the first hit of the special attack, this can allow the opponent to evade mid the special, if he is able to do so by any ability. Additionally, any node or scenario that would give ghost a guaranteed critical hit will not work towards this evade-counter ability.


I would like to get some clarification here. Either this was just a text change that was made without the intention to change her abilities, but ended up being wrongly worded, or this change actually "nerfs" one of the character's ability, and it ended up not being announced.
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  • OnmixOnmix Posts: 498 ★★★
    HI_guys said:

    tafre said:

    HI_guys said:

    tafre said:

    HI_guys said:

    -100% evade ability accuracy is the same description as slow. So higher evade chance does not matter

    SpiderGwen will be able to evade her specials if you have the Wasp synergy.
    Force of Will will shut her evade counter all together.

    Any place where the chances go above 100% she will not be working as before. I don't think it will be a big issue she will still be really good but changing this and not including this in the patch notes, whenever it was changed it very sneaky. Similar to the Quake/Hawkeye synergy silent nerf, these things should be announced somewhere otherwise it feels very shady.
    Have you tried these? Did you know slow works just fine in force of will nodes? And higher evade abiltiy accuracy nodes is what you should worry about. All this time I havnt had anybody evade her. No matter how high the evade chance. And spider gwen is a possibility with the higher evade ability Accuracy
    I mean it says Evade abilities suffer -100% flat ability Accuracy. If there is an immunity to Ability Accuracy reduction, she shouldn't be able to stop evades.
    Spider Gwen was never able to evade her sp2 and quoting somebody: ​"I remember when SG got buffed, people directly asked K.Mike will she evade ghosts sp2 due to 550% increased evade chance and mike said 'no since she completely shuts it down'" With the new description, she should be able to evade her with the wasp synergy.

    If this is just a wording change I don't mind it, but if they did make her less effective without any announcement it is very very bad.
    Like I have posted, the change has been there since december atleast. And till now not in post has come in saying ghost was evaded.
    Still. Having the description change and not the abilities doesn’t mean it’s not bad.

    Reading the description it’s pretty clear what it SHOULD do, regardless of what it ACTUALLY does.

    What’s stopping Kabam one month, year from now to day: “Well. Read her abilities. She’s not working as she should”
  • tafretafre Posts: 536 ★★★★
    HI_guys said:

    tafre said:

    HI_guys said:

    tafre said:

    HI_guys said:

    -100% evade ability accuracy is the same description as slow. So higher evade chance does not matter

    SpiderGwen will be able to evade her specials if you have the Wasp synergy.
    Force of Will will shut her evade counter all together.

    Any place where the chances go above 100% she will not be working as before. I don't think it will be a big issue she will still be really good but changing this and not including this in the patch notes, whenever it was changed it very sneaky. Similar to the Quake/Hawkeye synergy silent nerf, these things should be announced somewhere otherwise it feels very shady.
    Have you tried these? Did you know slow works just fine in force of will nodes? And higher evade abiltiy accuracy nodes is what you should worry about. All this time I havnt had anybody evade her. No matter how high the evade chance. And spider gwen is a possibility with the higher evade ability Accuracy
    I mean it says Evade abilities suffer -100% flat ability Accuracy. If there is an immunity to Ability Accuracy reduction, she shouldn't be able to stop evades.
    Spider Gwen was never able to evade her sp2 and quoting somebody: ​"I remember when SG got buffed, people directly asked K.Mike will she evade ghosts sp2 due to 550% increased evade chance and mike said 'no since she completely shuts it down'" With the new description, she should be able to evade her with the wasp synergy.

    If this is just a wording change I don't mind it, but if they did make her less effective without any announcement it is very very bad.
    Like I have posted, the change has been there since december atleast. And till now not in post has come in saying ghost was evaded.
    You are correct on that and I just tested it against a SpiderGwen and she cannot evade any of the unblockable critical hits of the sp2. Apparently this is just a wording change so far but I don't know any place that has Force of Will/Evade node. She works fine against SpiderGwen though so hopefully just a wording change. Very inaccurate wording imo but still...
  • Agent_X_zzzAgent_X_zzz Posts: 4,159 ★★★★★
    BinkPlayz said:

    now if we want to throw bonus salt into the wound, anyone else notice armor shatters got the same tweak?

    Medusa armor shatter has been like that for a year ish, and it was not silent iirc.
  • Grootman1294Grootman1294 Posts: 610 ★★★
    HI_guys said:

    The change to critical hits can be traced back months ago. It was not in This update

    Why the disagrees? He is right. It's been in there for at least a month, maybe more.
  • tafretafre Posts: 536 ★★★★
    Gregdagr8 said:

    This is bad. I don't care that it's a month or two old! The reason we are finding about this now it's bc we were never told in any patch notes ghost was changing at all. Are we seriously supposed to read every line of texts on all our own champs every time an update is done to make sure this company didn't nerf our champs? This is out of control. You can't change the texts or nerf any champ without putting the changes in the patch notes. This is fairness gaming 101.

    I agree, even if it is just a wording change, we should be informed about changes like these. It is especially sensitive when it happens to be a champ like Ghost.
  • tafretafre Posts: 536 ★★★★
    Gregdagr8 said:

    This is bad. I don't care that it's a month or two old! The reason we are finding about this now it's bc we were never told in any patch notes ghost was changing at all. Are we seriously supposed to read every line of texts on all our own champs every time an update is done to make sure this company didn't nerf our champs? This is out of control. You can't change the texts or nerf any champ without putting the changes in the patch notes. This is fairness gaming 101.

    I agree, even if it is just a wording change, we should be informed about changes like these. It is especially sensitive when it happens to be a champ like Ghost.
  • TheBair123TheBair123 Posts: 3,440 ★★★★★
    HI_guys said:

    Cannot be is a much safer insurance than -100%

    yes, it is. and that's why the ability shouldn't have been changed, and even if it was, it should've been stated in the patch notes or otherwise
  • The_Sentry06The_Sentry06 Posts: 7,183 ★★★★★
    HI_guys said:

    Cannot be is a much safer insurance than -100%

    Yes that's why people are worried and mad.
  • phillgreenphillgreen Posts: 2,342 ★★★★
    edited March 2
    I'm a cynic but the text change isn't about how she works now, I expect a change in the future from a new champ/node etc that can't be called a nerf because Ghost wasn't changed but definitely nerfs her ability to deal with evade heavy champs or punishes critical hits.

    You can still guaranteed crit but it won't make you happy.
  • Speedro420Speedro420 Posts: 986 ★★★★
    No_oneuk said:

    Disclaimer for people stumbling on this thread and not knowing the facts:

    GHOST has NOT changed at all in fights today compared to yesterday, last month or even last year. She is EXACTLY the same.

    The text change (which was NOT this month) indicates that instead of always causing evade to not trigger, it is now just 100%, so anything that causes that chance to drop can cause her to evade. It does NOT actually work like this though when tested against multiple fights that would cause this.

    Yes the wording change can cause Kabam to update her at some future point to make her “work like her abilities state”, but if they were to do that I’m sure the whole game would go up in flames for summoners rioting.

    TL:DR, Ghost has not changed.

    So even on nodes that produce extra AA on evade she’s not being evaded still? If not what’s now stopping them from making that happen? That’s the main problem with the text change. It may not be in effect now but it can be whenever now.
  • Speedro420Speedro420 Posts: 986 ★★★★

    I'm a cynic but the text change isn't about how she works now, I expect a change in the future from a new champ/node etc that can't be called a nerf because Ghost wasn't changed but definitely nerfs her ability to deal with evade heavy champs or punishes critical hits.

    You can still guaranteed crit but it won't make you happy.

    Agreed
  • OccimOccim Posts: 14
    I just got hit while phasing by Professor X in AW. I’m sure I had done the same fight a few weeks ago and wasn’t hit... am I remembering correctly?
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