Is colossus really dependent on synergies?

SmallTimeANT

Is his damage really that much weaker without the OR synergy. I see a lot of people say it’s kinda underwhelming without it so I thought I’d ask for myself is he still a great champ without it?

Sarvanga1_

I consider dupe or synergies or both.if any of these conditions are fulfilled colossus is a damn good champion.

TrashyPanda

No, but yes.

Kerneas

The OR synergy does really big difference. His damage is pretty good without him, enough to be useful. But that OR brings him to a whole new level. I have really tested him with and without OR and the difference was huge, the hit counts at the same enemies were 1.5x-2x higher without OR

Edit: I didn't make it clear enough: his damage is still not bad at all without OR.

BitterSteel

It’s hard, because he’s so incredibly good with all his synergies, he can seem really bad without them. But I think that’s just because you compare how good he is with them, to without, and you see the drop in performance.

He’s still an awesome champ with a lot of really great utility, and still really nice damage. His synergies just add a hell of a lot to him.

Lvernon15

Without synergies he’s still really good, but he needs the omega synergy to be really insane

BitterSteel

Wish one of his synergies increased crit rate per armour buff

Ksp_2099

I don't think that he is completely dependent on synergies.

Of course synergies helps him to finish fights faster. You can see significant difference in damage with and without synergies.

I ranked him for utility and I use him without synergies. He is pretty solid without synergies, too. Even without synergies he hits pretty hard if you get crits.

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Ksp_2099 said:

I don't think that he is completely dependent on synergies.

Of course synergies helps him to finish fights faster. You can see significant difference in damage with and without synergies.

I ranked him for utility and I use him without synergies. He is pretty solid without synergies, too. Even without synergies he hits pretty hard if you get crits.

What utility aside from immunities? Not saying he has none, but for someone with an expansive roster, hed mainly be used on paths where his immunities come into play. Maybe nodes that benefit parry heavy as well

ChaosMax1012

I feel as though hes more dependent on crits rather than synergies.

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J0eySn0w

For damage he needs those synergies to compete with the top meta right from the start of the fight. But his utility is there and can help him ramp up quickly, and without synergies he will need some time to ramp up to see the numbers.

He suffered what I’ve been trying to hint out on the forums but no one seem to get the point. He had most of these synergies before his buff, and these synergies I assume were introduced to make him somewhat playable but failed. So when buffing these champs, they have to be considerate of his existing synergies to ensure they don’t break the game kinda. Thus, the NERF-BUFF some of these champs to ensure when their synergies are applied they’re not “Overpowered”. The result is they become somewhat synergy dependent.

I strongly feel this will affect classic BP buff.
He has some powerful synergies, check these with
- HB
- Tigra
- Storm PX
- Sabretooth
- Jabari
- BPCW
When a combo of these are applied, he’s really up there. So you really think he will get a proper buff absent consideration to these synergies. Will that make him synergy dependent? Most likely unless HIS ENTIRE MECHANICS change to render some of these synergies invalid.

It was wrong move how, some champs have like 10-20 synergies...smh and in the attempt to make them better. Now some of them will suffer for it unless their buffs will required mechanics change but can lead to Hood situation.

Berjibs

Yeah bringing omega along is a real drag.

TrashyPanda

Berjibs said:

Yeah bringing omega along is a real drag.

Hard to bring something you don't have.

Colonaut123

I almost never bring OR synergy. Yeah that synergy makes him crazy, but he's still good without. I would say he needs his sig more than the synergy.

phil56201

Here’s a 5/65 sig 200 w/OR:




And by himself:




OR synergy doubles his damage more or less.

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phil56201

Also, his ideal (IMO) synergy team more or less doubles his damage than just bringing OR for what it’s worth...

BitterSteel

J0eySn0w said:

For damage he needs those synergies to compete with the top meta right from the start of the fight. But his utility is there and can help him ramp up quickly, and without synergies he will need some time to ramp up to see the numbers.

He suffered what I’ve been trying to hint out on the forums but no one seem to get the point. He had most of these synergies before his buff, and these synergies I assume were introduced to make him somewhat playable but failed. So when buffing these champs, they have to be considerate of his existing synergies to ensure they don’t break the game kinda. Thus, the NERF-BUFF some of these champs to ensure when their synergies are applied they’re not “Overpowered”. The result is they become somewhat synergy dependent.

I strongly feel this will affect classic BP buff.
He has some powerful synergies, check these with
- HB
- Tigra
- Storm PX
- Sabretooth
- Jabari
- BPCW
When a combo of these are applied, he’s really up there. So you really think he will get a proper buff absent consideration to these synergies. Will that make him synergy dependent? Most likely unless HIS ENTIRE MECHANICS change to render some of these synergies invalid.

It was wrong move how, some champs have like 10-20 synergies...smh and in the attempt to make them better. Now some of them will suffer for it unless their buffs will required mechanics change but can lead to Hood situation.

Hopefully Kabam continue to change synergies like how Crossbones and taskmaster synergy was altered when the synergy became part of his core kit

Qfury

With OR & prof X them sp2 be doing ridiculous damage.

ChaosMax1012

In most situations i just use warlock. Colossus if i need an incinerate immune champ but then again i have torch. But i dont have his synergies or him awakened so dont take this the wrong way.

Wu_Bangerz23

Yes and no.......I don't have a high ranked omega so there are times (act 6 and on) I either pass on Collosus being on my team or waste a spot and use a lower OR.....If you have him I'd rank him up as he's useable in every bit of content outside of variant 6 and just keep him at r4 until you get omega to go with him.....

He's also arguably the best potion farmer in the game in ROL

phil56201

Batman_SinsOfAFather said:

phil56201 said:

Here’s a 5/65 sig 200 w/OR:




And by himself:




OR synergy doubles his damage more or less.

And this is with prof x 4 charges, horsemen of apocalypse , omega red and cable. ROL Black panther in 9 hits

So yes synergies roid up colossu beyond insane

I take it you intentionally took hits to get to his Sp2 and keep the hit count low?

Took in a similar team(substituted cable for Mags HOX). Same fight, but w/out taking any hits gets him down in 18, effectively doubling the damage from the team I used in my previous post.







So OR doubles Colossus damage, bringing in the standard Colossus synergy team (OR, Frost, Jugg, Mags HOX) doubles his damage again, and adding Apoc/horseman plus Prof X w/4 charges doubles his damage yet again.

It's been an illuminating thread for me. Never seen these different variables compared.

Vendemiaire

He's still good but not insane. I beat the Grandmaster without any synergy on my first clear. Just like CMM without Nick or Omega without Sabertooth.

Manav_preet0808

Batman_SinsOfAFather said:

phil56201 said:

Here’s a 5/65 sig 200 w/OR:




And by himself:




OR synergy doubles his damage more or less.

And this is with prof x 4 charges, horsemen of apocalypse , omega red and cable. ROL Black panther in 9 hits

So yes synergies roid up colossu beyond insane

yo can u record that vid Would love to see it

Mr_Eminent

I use the below team and collosus is efficient(more than)...
3 mutants - Collosus , Omega red , Gambit(6*)
1Tech - Guardian(6*)
1 cosmic - Vision Arkus

Except vision Arkus, All the other champs have synergy with collosus. I can counter tech champs with Arkus and guardian. Without synergy his damage is comparatively low, Bust still if you have Omega Red synergy he's more efficient. He's good on suicides too.
So without synergies you will have to max out stupify mastery and throw your special attacks straight after a parry and first heavy hit.

Hope it helps

The_Sentry06

GagoH said:

Ksp_2099 said:

I don't think that he is completely dependent on synergies.

Of course synergies helps him to finish fights faster. You can see significant difference in damage with and without synergies.

I ranked him for utility and I use him without synergies. He is pretty solid without synergies, too. Even without synergies he hits pretty hard if you get crits.

What utility aside from immunities? Not saying he has none, but for someone with an expansive roster, hed mainly be used on paths where his immunities come into play. Maybe nodes that benefit parry heavy as well

He's a general lane clearing beast, especially with synergies, he doesn't depend on one play style or the other. Additionally, he has a silent stun or something on the first hit of his heavy so in-case you want to parry heavy evade champs, you can do that reliably without worrying since he purifies parry-stun. Rest all have been said above.

UnidentifiedCreature

Without synergies, Colossus is great. Absolutely fantastic, yes, but not quite OP. Don't get me wrong, he is an amazing standalone character. With synergies, however, he is beyond broken. And when he's made a horseman of Apocalypse, that just further improves him.

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The_Sentry06 said:

GagoH said:

Ksp_2099 said:

I don't think that he is completely dependent on synergies.

Of course synergies helps him to finish fights faster. You can see significant difference in damage with and without synergies.

I ranked him for utility and I use him without synergies. He is pretty solid without synergies, too. Even without synergies he hits pretty hard if you get crits.

What utility aside from immunities? Not saying he has none, but for someone with an expansive roster, hed mainly be used on paths where his immunities come into play. Maybe nodes that benefit parry heavy as well

He's a general lane clearing beast, especially with synergies, he doesn't depend on one play style or the other. Additionally, he has a silent stun or something on the first hit of his heavy so in-case you want to parry heavy evade champs, you can do that reliably without worrying since he purifies parry-stun. Rest all have been said above.

Nevertheless, his utility falls short from that of AA and mags, which is the point I was getting a long. Sure hes a lane clearing beast, but odds are you’re more likely going to bring Mags or AA, especially without the OR synergy

Polygon

Another thing that works against Colossus is that he’s not suicide friendly, whereas his best synergy partner needs suicides more than any other champion in the game...