This event beings more reason not to vote for ant man

ChaosMax1012ChaosMax1012 Member Posts: 3,113 ★★★★★
This is totally my opinion but, mister negative is gonna be science, and mister fantastic is receiving a tune up. We need more love to the mystic class and guillotine truly seems like the right answer to receive the overhaul. She has been overshadowed by g2099, warlock, human torch, void, civil warrior even. Ant man definitely deserves an overhaul eventually, but in our current meta, mystic really needs the help right now. That is all.
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  • ChaosMax1012ChaosMax1012 Member Posts: 3,113 ★★★★★
    No_oneuk said:

    no it dont

    Void, she hulk, spider gwen, thing, mister fantastic who was already good, cap iw, spider ham, spider man miles morales who is receiving an overhaul, red hulk, quake, immortal hulk, wasp, iabom. What more do you want of the science class???

    Meanwhile here are our top mystics. Tigra, doom, claire, magik, morningstar (for incursions), dragon man, mephisto, sym supreme, sorc supreme, mangog. Now take into consideration how many of these champs are used for the same purpose.
  • ChaosMax1012ChaosMax1012 Member Posts: 3,113 ★★★★★
    Lol. Care to explain the disagrees?
  • ChaosMax1012ChaosMax1012 Member Posts: 3,113 ★★★★★
    I love ant man. I have nothing against him. But i know majority of people are voting for him for the ghost team, though they probably wont use him if its a synergy mainly for ghost, which is why i see it as pointless. And those that love the character, cant blame them, he is funny in the movies, but spider man miles morales is already getting an overhaul, and the science class just keeps getting more powerful, and can compete with the mutant class. As of right now, the mystic and tech classes are probably the 2 weakest in our current meta, though vulture is getting a tune up. I just see much more potential in guilly than i do in ant man.
  • Raichu626Raichu626 Member Posts: 934 ★★★★
    The buff will happen in Oct/Nov. We might get Juggs, Strange and IF overhauls until then (unlikely, sure, but I think you get the point)
  • ChaosMax1012ChaosMax1012 Member Posts: 3,113 ★★★★★

    Lol. Care to explain the disagrees?

    Id guess people probably disagree with you lol
    Yeah. Kinda why im asking to explain, but a few have already
  • ChaosMax1012ChaosMax1012 Member Posts: 3,113 ★★★★★
    Raichu626 said:

    The buff will happen in Oct/Nov. We might get Juggs, Strange and IF overhauls until then (unlikely, sure, but I think you get the point)

    Perhaps, but by that time, mister fantstic, mister negative, and spider man miles morales have released, gotten an overhaul, and a tune up
  • ChaosMax1012ChaosMax1012 Member Posts: 3,113 ★★★★★

    Raichu626 said:

    The buff will happen in Oct/Nov. We might get Juggs, Strange and IF overhauls until then (unlikely, sure, but I think you get the point)

    Perhaps, but by that time, mister fantstic, mister negative, and spider man miles morales have released, gotten an overhaul, and a tune up
    If you add ant man to that list, how does the mystic class look now?
  • ChaosMax1012ChaosMax1012 Member Posts: 3,113 ★★★★★
    Dont get me wrong. Both champions really need this overhaul. I would be really happy regardless if ant man wins this vote. He needs it. Ant man has some fun synergies you can play atound with, it definitely doesnt make him an jnsane science champion, but he can be playable,




    These synergies help ant man gain some pretty decent attack bonuses for glancing and placing debuffs on the opponent, and iffy poison damage. Compared to guillotines synergies





    These synergies for guilly primarily focus on her souls and bleed damage. Both champs on their own however, guillotine is easily the better champion, but where would you use her that you wouldnt use the majority of the science and tech class in? Ant man is relevant currently when it comes to synergies, whereas guilly is pretty much useless in our current meta. But again, both champions need the overhaul, but as of now, guilly needs it more seeing as she is the worse of the 2 champs overall and in the weaker class. Best of luck to both champs and i would very much love to see some feedback from the ant man perspective
  • Furious_Fighter1Furious_Fighter1 Member Posts: 855 ★★★★

    No_oneuk said:

    no it dont

    Void, she hulk, spider gwen, thing, mister fantastic who was already good, cap iw, spider ham, spider man miles morales who is receiving an overhaul, red hulk, quake, immortal hulk, wasp, iabom. What more do you want of the science class???

    Meanwhile here are our top mystics. Tigra, doom, claire, magik, morningstar (for incursions), dragon man, mephisto, sym supreme, sorc supreme, mangog. Now take into consideration how many of these champs are used for the same purpose.
    Longshot, Mojo, Sasquatch, Scarlet Witch, Doctor Voodoo?
  • PulyamanPulyaman Member Posts: 2,365 ★★★★★

    This is totally my opinion but, mister negative is gonna be science, and mister fantastic is receiving a tune up. We need more love to the mystic class and guillotine truly seems like the right answer to receive the overhaul. She has been overshadowed by g2099, warlock, human torch, void, civil warrior even. Ant man definitely deserves an overhaul eventually, but in our current meta, mystic really needs the help right now. That is all.

    Show us your roster. Considering the way that you are hyping up Glancing - the most powerful offensive ability there is -, I think you have a 6 star or a 5 star Gully and need her buffed. Seriously though, the synergy with ghost is the only useful synergy antman has offensively and even with that synergy he hits bad. Do you not realize that glancing requires you to block attacks and take hits and that is something no one wishes to do when playing a character?. Mr.f tune up still makes him a supporting character and not someone who will be used primarily.
  • ChaosMax1012ChaosMax1012 Member Posts: 3,113 ★★★★★
    Pulyaman said:

    This is totally my opinion but, mister negative is gonna be science, and mister fantastic is receiving a tune up. We need more love to the mystic class and guillotine truly seems like the right answer to receive the overhaul. She has been overshadowed by g2099, warlock, human torch, void, civil warrior even. Ant man definitely deserves an overhaul eventually, but in our current meta, mystic really needs the help right now. That is all.

    Show us your roster. Considering the way that you are hyping up Glancing - the most powerful offensive ability there is -, I think you have a 6 star or a 5 star Gully and need her buffed. Seriously though, the synergy with ghost is the only useful synergy antman has offensively and even with that synergy he hits bad. Do you not realize that glancing requires you to block attacks and take hits and that is something no one wishes to do when playing a character?. Mr.f tune up still makes him a supporting character and not someone who will be used primarily.
    Its quite the opposite actually, and in what way shape or form was i hyping up his glancing?




  • ChaosMax1012ChaosMax1012 Member Posts: 3,113 ★★★★★
    Will3808 said:

    Wait, really? The science class is way worse in general than the mystic class. The mystic class has had some crazy champs over the last 2 years and is now, in my opinion, the second best class in the game. I personally believe that science has fallen to the worst, if not second worse class, and needs some love.

    Void reverses heal, same as torch. Torch has a debuff that no champ is immune to, beardo can counter unstoppable, and resistance to energy damage, along with perfect block. Wasp has the ability to control the fight by spamming heavy in the former and bait out special attacks without having to parry. Red hulk is immune to poison and incinerate and deals a lot of damage. The majority of the mystic class controls power, and nullifys buffs. In comparison, the science class covers more areas pf the game and is so much more diverse in utility and immunities.

    Science duds: joe fixit, ant man, sentry, hulk, rhino, spider man classic, cap ww2, cap classic, electro, and hulk, miles morales.

    Mystic duds: ebony maw (decent defender), mordo, doc strange, IF, IF immortal (wouldnt count him but hes a dud) juggs, guilly (we can change this), and UC.

    Science class has more duds than the mystic class. Now lets check the studs.

    Mystic studs: doctor doom, magik, sorc supreme, dragon man, tigra, mojo, sym supreme, mephisto, BWCV, and longshot (though i dont like him).

    Science studs: cap iw, torch, void, she hulk, quake, spider gwen, red hulk, spider ham, wasp, mister fantastic, iabom, ihulk, thing, invisible woman (to those skilled with her), red guardian, og abom with red guardian.

  • ChaosMax1012ChaosMax1012 Member Posts: 3,113 ★★★★★
    Pulyaman said:

    Pulyaman said:

    This is totally my opinion but, mister negative is gonna be science, and mister fantastic is receiving a tune up. We need more love to the mystic class and guillotine truly seems like the right answer to receive the overhaul. She has been overshadowed by g2099, warlock, human torch, void, civil warrior even. Ant man definitely deserves an overhaul eventually, but in our current meta, mystic really needs the help right now. That is all.

    Show us your roster. Considering the way that you are hyping up Glancing - the most powerful offensive ability there is -, I think you have a 6 star or a 5 star Gully and need her buffed. Seriously though, the synergy with ghost is the only useful synergy antman has offensively and even with that synergy he hits bad. Do you not realize that glancing requires you to block attacks and take hits and that is something no one wishes to do when playing a character?. Mr.f tune up still makes him a supporting character and not someone who will be used primarily.
    Its quite the opposite actually, and in what way shape or form was i hyping up his glancing?




    These synergies help ant man gain some pretty decent attack bonuses for glancing and placing debuffs on the opponent, and iffy poison damage. Compared to guillotines synergies

    This is your quote. he gains decent bonuses for glancing. Tell me how to glance attacks without taking hits to the face or to the block. These are the synergies that you showed
    Wasp: When glancing hits - Needs to get hit or block
    Ronin: Inflict fatigue when struck - Needs to get hit
    Psycho-Man - Sp1 inflicts stagger
    Doc Oc - Glancing reflects damage - Needs to get hit or block
    Ghost - Increase attack for each debuff on defender

    Of the 5, only 2 are useful offensively unless you like to get hit a lot. Even the Psycho man synergy is useless most of the time since it does nothing to increase your damage and it is with psycho man - arguably the weakest hitting character released this year.

    Now let's see for Guillotine
    Stryfe: Souls last longer and are paused during specials
    NT: Each soul grants crit rating
    Gamora: Increased chance to gain soul charge
    Ronin: Gain soul charge
    Morningstar: Souls last longer
    G2099: Increased bleed potency and duration

    Every synergy is an offensive one. She has more synergies than antman, more useful ones and with good and useful characters. I have no idea how you are saying antman is more relevant than guillotine considering she was the OG wolverine counter before void and CAIW and other champs came in. She has one of the highest SP3 damage potential in the game. She definitely needs a moderate update to her numbers and abilities, but no way in hell is she as bad as antman in the game.

    As far as being relevant in the game, outside of using antman for legends run, I don't see anyone using him in regular questing team. He is just as irrelevant as guillotine now.
    Pulyaman said:

    Pulyaman said:

    This is totally my opinion but, mister negative is gonna be science, and mister fantastic is receiving a tune up. We need more love to the mystic class and guillotine truly seems like the right answer to receive the overhaul. She has been overshadowed by g2099, warlock, human torch, void, civil warrior even. Ant man definitely deserves an overhaul eventually, but in our current meta, mystic really needs the help right now. That is all.

    Show us your roster. Considering the way that you are hyping up Glancing - the most powerful offensive ability there is -, I think you have a 6 star or a 5 star Gully and need her buffed. Seriously though, the synergy with ghost is the only useful synergy antman has offensively and even with that synergy he hits bad. Do you not realize that glancing requires you to block attacks and take hits and that is something no one wishes to do when playing a character?. Mr.f tune up still makes him a supporting character and not someone who will be used primarily.
    Its quite the opposite actually, and in what way shape or form was i hyping up his glancing?




    These synergies help ant man gain some pretty decent attack bonuses for glancing and placing debuffs on the opponent, and iffy poison damage. Compared to guillotines synergies

    This is your quote. he gains decent bonuses for glancing. Tell me how to glance attacks without taking hits to the face or to the block. These are the synergies that you showed
    Wasp: When glancing hits - Needs to get hit or block
    Ronin: Inflict fatigue when struck - Needs to get hit
    Psycho-Man - Sp1 inflicts stagger
    Doc Oc - Glancing reflects damage - Needs to get hit or block
    Ghost - Increase attack for each debuff on defender

    Of the 5, only 2 are useful offensively unless you like to get hit a lot. Even the Psycho man synergy is useless most of the time since it does nothing to increase your damage and it is with psycho man - arguably the weakest hitting character released this year.

    Now let's see for Guillotine
    Stryfe: Souls last longer and are paused during specials
    NT: Each soul grants crit rating
    Gamora: Increased chance to gain soul charge
    Ronin: Gain soul charge
    Morningstar: Souls last longer
    G2099: Increased bleed potency and duration

    Every synergy is an offensive one. She has more synergies than antman, more useful ones and with good and useful characters. I have no idea how you are saying antman is more relevant than guillotine considering she was the OG wolverine counter before void and CAIW and other champs came in. She has one of the highest SP3 damage potential in the game. She definitely needs a moderate update to her numbers and abilities, but no way in hell is she as bad as antman in the game.

    As far as being relevant in the game, outside of using antman for legends run, I don't see anyone using him in regular questing team. He is just as irrelevant as guillotine now.
    That is because ant man is tagged as a defender which could change if he wins. And guilly is an attacker. Similar to how things synergies help him out when getting hit to the face but it is much more efficient than ant mans. For relevancy, that legends run with ant man on your team will bring you more value than guillotine ever will at her current state seeing as so many mystics, techs, and science champs do what she does, better. Ant man is awful, but still has relevancy for synergy purposes. Otherwise without a doubt ant man deserves this overhaul more.
  • PulyamanPulyaman Member Posts: 2,365 ★★★★★
    Where do the rest of the mystics fall in? You left out dormammu, Diablo, ghost rider, loki, mangog manthing. I mean sure, if you leave most of the mystics out, it does seem science has more studs. At least attempt to look fair mate.😂
  • ChaosMax1012ChaosMax1012 Member Posts: 3,113 ★★★★★

    No_oneuk said:

    no it dont

    Void, she hulk, spider gwen, thing, mister fantastic who was already good, cap iw, spider ham, spider man miles morales who is receiving an overhaul, red hulk, quake, immortal hulk, wasp, iabom. What more do you want of the science class???

    Meanwhile here are our top mystics. Tigra, doom, claire, magik, morningstar (for incursions), dragon man, mephisto, sym supreme, sorc supreme, mangog. Now take into consideration how many of these champs are used for the same purpose.
    Longshot, Mojo, Sasquatch, Scarlet Witch, Doctor Voodoo?
    Yeah sorry i left out mojo and longshit. Scarlet witch isnt like quake, where shes so powerful she doesnt need to be a 6*, she is reallly fun to play and with the right rng can be very sustainable and hit hard, but at the same time, the fighht can go wrong if rng doesnt favor you with crits. As for voodoo, nice regen, but he mainly deals poison damage and controls power, and damage isnt the best. Decent but, not quite in the league with most of the top mystics, sasquatch is better on offense, and as ramp up champs go for, there are many better options.
  • PulyamanPulyaman Member Posts: 2,365 ★★★★★

    Pulyaman said:

    Pulyaman said:

    This is totally my opinion but, mister negative is gonna be science, and mister fantastic is receiving a tune up. We need more love to the mystic class and guillotine truly seems like the right answer to receive the overhaul. She has been overshadowed by g2099, warlock, human torch, void, civil warrior even. Ant man definitely deserves an overhaul eventually, but in our current meta, mystic really needs the help right now. That is all.

    Show us your roster. Considering the way that you are hyping up Glancing - the most powerful offensive ability there is -, I think you have a 6 star or a 5 star Gully and need her buffed. Seriously though, the synergy with ghost is the only useful synergy antman has offensively and even with that synergy he hits bad. Do you not realize that glancing requires you to block attacks and take hits and that is something no one wishes to do when playing a character?. Mr.f tune up still makes him a supporting character and not someone who will be used primarily.
    Its quite the opposite actually, and in what way shape or form was i hyping up his glancing?




    These synergies help ant man gain some pretty decent attack bonuses for glancing and placing debuffs on the opponent, and iffy poison damage. Compared to guillotines synergies

    This is your quote. he gains decent bonuses for glancing. Tell me how to glance attacks without taking hits to the face or to the block. These are the synergies that you showed
    Wasp: When glancing hits - Needs to get hit or block
    Ronin: Inflict fatigue when struck - Needs to get hit
    Psycho-Man - Sp1 inflicts stagger
    Doc Oc - Glancing reflects damage - Needs to get hit or block
    Ghost - Increase attack for each debuff on defender

    Of the 5, only 2 are useful offensively unless you like to get hit a lot. Even the Psycho man synergy is useless most of the time since it does nothing to increase your damage and it is with psycho man - arguably the weakest hitting character released this year.

    Now let's see for Guillotine
    Stryfe: Souls last longer and are paused during specials
    NT: Each soul grants crit rating
    Gamora: Increased chance to gain soul charge
    Ronin: Gain soul charge
    Morningstar: Souls last longer
    G2099: Increased bleed potency and duration

    Every synergy is an offensive one. She has more synergies than antman, more useful ones and with good and useful characters. I have no idea how you are saying antman is more relevant than guillotine considering she was the OG wolverine counter before void and CAIW and other champs came in. She has one of the highest SP3 damage potential in the game. She definitely needs a moderate update to her numbers and abilities, but no way in hell is she as bad as antman in the game.

    As far as being relevant in the game, outside of using antman for legends run, I don't see anyone using him in regular questing team. He is just as irrelevant as guillotine now.
    Pulyaman said:

    Pulyaman said:

    This is totally my opinion but, mister negative is gonna be science, and mister fantastic is receiving a tune up. We need more love to the mystic class and guillotine truly seems like the right answer to receive the overhaul. She has been overshadowed by g2099, warlock, human torch, void, civil warrior even. Ant man definitely deserves an overhaul eventually, but in our current meta, mystic really needs the help right now. That is all.

    Show us your roster. Considering the way that you are hyping up Glancing - the most powerful offensive ability there is -, I think you have a 6 star or a 5 star Gully and need her buffed. Seriously though, the synergy with ghost is the only useful synergy antman has offensively and even with that synergy he hits bad. Do you not realize that glancing requires you to block attacks and take hits and that is something no one wishes to do when playing a character?. Mr.f tune up still makes him a supporting character and not someone who will be used primarily.
    Its quite the opposite actually, and in what way shape or form was i hyping up his glancing?




    These synergies help ant man gain some pretty decent attack bonuses for glancing and placing debuffs on the opponent, and iffy poison damage. Compared to guillotines synergies

    This is your quote. he gains decent bonuses for glancing. Tell me how to glance attacks without taking hits to the face or to the block. These are the synergies that you showed
    Wasp: When glancing hits - Needs to get hit or block
    Ronin: Inflict fatigue when struck - Needs to get hit
    Psycho-Man - Sp1 inflicts stagger
    Doc Oc - Glancing reflects damage - Needs to get hit or block
    Ghost - Increase attack for each debuff on defender

    Of the 5, only 2 are useful offensively unless you like to get hit a lot. Even the Psycho man synergy is useless most of the time since it does nothing to increase your damage and it is with psycho man - arguably the weakest hitting character released this year.

    Now let's see for Guillotine
    Stryfe: Souls last longer and are paused during specials
    NT: Each soul grants crit rating
    Gamora: Increased chance to gain soul charge
    Ronin: Gain soul charge
    Morningstar: Souls last longer
    G2099: Increased bleed potency and duration

    Every synergy is an offensive one. She has more synergies than antman, more useful ones and with good and useful characters. I have no idea how you are saying antman is more relevant than guillotine considering she was the OG wolverine counter before void and CAIW and other champs came in. She has one of the highest SP3 damage potential in the game. She definitely needs a moderate update to her numbers and abilities, but no way in hell is she as bad as antman in the game.

    As far as being relevant in the game, outside of using antman for legends run, I don't see anyone using him in regular questing team. He is just as irrelevant as guillotine now.
    That is because ant man is tagged as a defender which could change if he wins. And guilly is an attacker. Similar to how things synergies help him out when getting hit to the face but it is much more efficient than ant mans. For relevancy, that legends run with ant man on your team will bring you more value than guillotine ever will at her current state seeing as so many mystics, techs, and science champs do what she does, better. Ant man is awful, but still has relevancy for synergy purposes. Otherwise without a doubt ant man deserves this overhaul more.

    Pulyaman said:

    Pulyaman said:

    This is totally my opinion but, mister negative is gonna be science, and mister fantastic is receiving a tune up. We need more love to the mystic class and guillotine truly seems like the right answer to receive the overhaul. She has been overshadowed by g2099, warlock, human torch, void, civil warrior even. Ant man definitely deserves an overhaul eventually, but in our current meta, mystic really needs the help right now. That is all.

    Show us your roster. Considering the way that you are hyping up Glancing - the most powerful offensive ability there is -, I think you have a 6 star or a 5 star Gully and need her buffed. Seriously though, the synergy with ghost is the only useful synergy antman has offensively and even with that synergy he hits bad. Do you not realize that glancing requires you to block attacks and take hits and that is something no one wishes to do when playing a character?. Mr.f tune up still makes him a supporting character and not someone who will be used primarily.
    Its quite the opposite actually, and in what way shape or form was i hyping up his glancing?




    These synergies help ant man gain some pretty decent attack bonuses for glancing and placing debuffs on the opponent, and iffy poison damage. Compared to guillotines synergies

    This is your quote. he gains decent bonuses for glancing. Tell me how to glance attacks without taking hits to the face or to the block. These are the synergies that you showed
    Wasp: When glancing hits - Needs to get hit or block
    Ronin: Inflict fatigue when struck - Needs to get hit
    Psycho-Man - Sp1 inflicts stagger
    Doc Oc - Glancing reflects damage - Needs to get hit or block
    Ghost - Increase attack for each debuff on defender

    Of the 5, only 2 are useful offensively unless you like to get hit a lot. Even the Psycho man synergy is useless most of the time since it does nothing to increase your damage and it is with psycho man - arguably the weakest hitting character released this year.

    Now let's see for Guillotine
    Stryfe: Souls last longer and are paused during specials
    NT: Each soul grants crit rating
    Gamora: Increased chance to gain soul charge
    Ronin: Gain soul charge
    Morningstar: Souls last longer
    G2099: Increased bleed potency and duration

    Every synergy is an offensive one. She has more synergies than antman, more useful ones and with good and useful characters. I have no idea how you are saying antman is more relevant than guillotine considering she was the OG wolverine counter before void and CAIW and other champs came in. She has one of the highest SP3 damage potential in the game. She definitely needs a moderate update to her numbers and abilities, but no way in hell is she as bad as antman in the game.

    As far as being relevant in the game, outside of using antman for legends run, I don't see anyone using him in regular questing team. He is just as irrelevant as guillotine now.
    Pulyaman said:

    Pulyaman said:

    This is totally my opinion but, mister negative is gonna be science, and mister fantastic is receiving a tune up. We need more love to the mystic class and guillotine truly seems like the right answer to receive the overhaul. She has been overshadowed by g2099, warlock, human torch, void, civil warrior even. Ant man definitely deserves an overhaul eventually, but in our current meta, mystic really needs the help right now. That is all.

    Show us your roster. Considering the way that you are hyping up Glancing - the most powerful offensive ability there is -, I think you have a 6 star or a 5 star Gully and need her buffed. Seriously though, the synergy with ghost is the only useful synergy antman has offensively and even with that synergy he hits bad. Do you not realize that glancing requires you to block attacks and take hits and that is something no one wishes to do when playing a character?. Mr.f tune up still makes him a supporting character and not someone who will be used primarily.
    Its quite the opposite actually, and in what way shape or form was i hyping up his glancing?




    These synergies help ant man gain some pretty decent attack bonuses for glancing and placing debuffs on the opponent, and iffy poison damage. Compared to guillotines synergies

    This is your quote. he gains decent bonuses for glancing. Tell me how to glance attacks without taking hits to the face or to the block. These are the synergies that you showed
    Wasp: When glancing hits - Needs to get hit or block
    Ronin: Inflict fatigue when struck - Needs to get hit
    Psycho-Man - Sp1 inflicts stagger
    Doc Oc - Glancing reflects damage - Needs to get hit or block
    Ghost - Increase attack for each debuff on defender

    Of the 5, only 2 are useful offensively unless you like to get hit a lot. Even the Psycho man synergy is useless most of the time since it does nothing to increase your damage and it is with psycho man - arguably the weakest hitting character released this year.

    Now let's see for Guillotine
    Stryfe: Souls last longer and are paused during specials
    NT: Each soul grants crit rating
    Gamora: Increased chance to gain soul charge
    Ronin: Gain soul charge
    Morningstar: Souls last longer
    G2099: Increased bleed potency and duration

    Every synergy is an offensive one. She has more synergies than antman, more useful ones and with good and useful characters. I have no idea how you are saying antman is more relevant than guillotine considering she was the OG wolverine counter before void and CAIW and other champs came in. She has one of the highest SP3 damage potential in the game. She definitely needs a moderate update to her numbers and abilities, but no way in hell is she as bad as antman in the game.

    As far as being relevant in the game, outside of using antman for legends run, I don't see anyone using him in regular questing team. He is just as irrelevant as guillotine now.
    That is because ant man is tagged as a defender which could change if he wins. And guilly is an attacker. Similar to how things synergies help him out when getting hit to the face but it is much more efficient than ant mans. For relevancy, that legends run with ant man on your team will bring you more value than guillotine ever will at her current state seeing as so many mystics, techs, and science champs do what she does, better. Ant man is awful, but still has relevancy for synergy purposes. Otherwise without a doubt ant man deserves this overhaul more.
    Guillotine had her day in the limelight. She was the og heal reversal queen when she came out. Synergy purpose is not relavence. How are you not understanding this. People actually want to play the character. Why do you think white mags gets used so much. He is a good synergy partner and has uses. Ant man has been useless since release. Champions always get replaced once meta changes. By your logic blade needs a update becuase he has been surpassed by nick fury.
    And FYI colossus is tagged defender and his update was great.
  • ChaosMax1012ChaosMax1012 Member Posts: 3,113 ★★★★★
    Pulyaman said:

    Where do the rest of the mystics fall in? You left out dormammu, Diablo, ghost rider, loki, mangog manthing. I mean sure, if you leave most of the mystics out, it does seem science has more studs. At least attempt to look fair mate.😂

    I didnt even realize i left out diablo. But the rest you just listed arent duds. People use manthing in top tier AQ, loki to counter champions with a lot of buffs, and mangog has decent utility but under average damage, but not in the same tier as juggs. Dormmamu just needs more damage, but i wouldnt quit the game if i pulled him, i quite enjoy playing him still, hes one of the more unique mystics. Ghost rider has great sustainability, and has immunity to bleed and incinerate, along with decent synergies, but again, his main issue is damage. As far as fairness goes, im trying my best to list all the facts of both sides, i might miss some which is partly why i ask for feedback. In my perspective, it seems like the science class has a power house of champs along with the best champion in the game being quake, and many have a unique playstyle, whilst mystics have similar uses in controlling power and buffs.
  • PulyamanPulyaman Member Posts: 2,365 ★★★★★

    Pulyaman said:

    Where do the rest of the mystics fall in? You left out dormammu, Diablo, ghost rider, loki, mangog manthing. I mean sure, if you leave most of the mystics out, it does seem science has more studs. At least attempt to look fair mate.😂

    I didnt even realize i left out diablo. But the rest you just listed arent duds. People use manthing in top tier AQ, loki to counter champions with a lot of buffs, and mangog has decent utility but under average damage, but not in the same tier as juggs. Dormmamu just needs more damage, but i wouldnt quit the game if i pulled him, i quite enjoy playing him still, hes one of the more unique mystics. Ghost rider has great sustainability, and has immunity to bleed and incinerate, along with decent synergies, but again, his main issue is damage. As far as fairness goes, im trying my best to list all the facts of both sides, i might miss some which is partly why i ask for feedback. In my perspective, it seems like the science class has a power house of champs along with the best champion in the game being quake, and many have a unique playstyle, whilst mystics have similar uses in controlling power and buffs.
    It depends on how you use them. Science champs depend on debuffs. So they interact with a lot of things. You even have many utility in mystic class. Power lock, power drain, heal reversal, nullify, stagger and more.
  • ChaosMax1012ChaosMax1012 Member Posts: 3,113 ★★★★★
    Pulyaman said:

    Pulyaman said:

    Pulyaman said:

    This is totally my opinion but, mister negative is gonna be science, and mister fantastic is receiving a tune up. We need more love to the mystic class and guillotine truly seems like the right answer to receive the overhaul. She has been overshadowed by g2099, warlock, human torch, void, civil warrior even. Ant man definitely deserves an overhaul eventually, but in our current meta, mystic really needs the help right now. That is all.

    Show us your roster. Considering the way that you are hyping up Glancing - the most powerful offensive ability there is -, I think you have a 6 star or a 5 star Gully and need her buffed. Seriously though, the synergy with ghost is the only useful synergy antman has offensively and even with that synergy he hits bad. Do you not realize that glancing requires you to block attacks and take hits and that is something no one wishes to do when playing a character?. Mr.f tune up still makes him a supporting character and not someone who will be used primarily.
    Its quite the opposite actually, and in what way shape or form was i hyping up his glancing?




    These synergies help ant man gain some pretty decent attack bonuses for glancing and placing debuffs on the opponent, and iffy poison damage. Compared to guillotines synergies

    This is your quote. he gains decent bonuses for glancing. Tell me how to glance attacks without taking hits to the face or to the block. These are the synergies that you showed
    Wasp: When glancing hits - Needs to get hit or block
    Ronin: Inflict fatigue when struck - Needs to get hit
    Psycho-Man - Sp1 inflicts stagger
    Doc Oc - Glancing reflects damage - Needs to get hit or block
    Ghost - Increase attack for each debuff on defender

    Of the 5, only 2 are useful offensively unless you like to get hit a lot. Even the Psycho man synergy is useless most of the time since it does nothing to increase your damage and it is with psycho man - arguably the weakest hitting character released this year.

    Now let's see for Guillotine
    Stryfe: Souls last longer and are paused during specials
    NT: Each soul grants crit rating
    Gamora: Increased chance to gain soul charge
    Ronin: Gain soul charge
    Morningstar: Souls last longer
    G2099: Increased bleed potency and duration

    Every synergy is an offensive one. She has more synergies than antman, more useful ones and with good and useful characters. I have no idea how you are saying antman is more relevant than guillotine considering she was the OG wolverine counter before void and CAIW and other champs came in. She has one of the highest SP3 damage potential in the game. She definitely needs a moderate update to her numbers and abilities, but no way in hell is she as bad as antman in the game.

    As far as being relevant in the game, outside of using antman for legends run, I don't see anyone using him in regular questing team. He is just as irrelevant as guillotine now.
    Pulyaman said:

    Pulyaman said:

    This is totally my opinion but, mister negative is gonna be science, and mister fantastic is receiving a tune up. We need more love to the mystic class and guillotine truly seems like the right answer to receive the overhaul. She has been overshadowed by g2099, warlock, human torch, void, civil warrior even. Ant man definitely deserves an overhaul eventually, but in our current meta, mystic really needs the help right now. That is all.

    Show us your roster. Considering the way that you are hyping up Glancing - the most powerful offensive ability there is -, I think you have a 6 star or a 5 star Gully and need her buffed. Seriously though, the synergy with ghost is the only useful synergy antman has offensively and even with that synergy he hits bad. Do you not realize that glancing requires you to block attacks and take hits and that is something no one wishes to do when playing a character?. Mr.f tune up still makes him a supporting character and not someone who will be used primarily.
    Its quite the opposite actually, and in what way shape or form was i hyping up his glancing?




    These synergies help ant man gain some pretty decent attack bonuses for glancing and placing debuffs on the opponent, and iffy poison damage. Compared to guillotines synergies

    This is your quote. he gains decent bonuses for glancing. Tell me how to glance attacks without taking hits to the face or to the block. These are the synergies that you showed
    Wasp: When glancing hits - Needs to get hit or block
    Ronin: Inflict fatigue when struck - Needs to get hit
    Psycho-Man - Sp1 inflicts stagger
    Doc Oc - Glancing reflects damage - Needs to get hit or block
    Ghost - Increase attack for each debuff on defender

    Of the 5, only 2 are useful offensively unless you like to get hit a lot. Even the Psycho man synergy is useless most of the time since it does nothing to increase your damage and it is with psycho man - arguably the weakest hitting character released this year.

    Now let's see for Guillotine
    Stryfe: Souls last longer and are paused during specials
    NT: Each soul grants crit rating
    Gamora: Increased chance to gain soul charge
    Ronin: Gain soul charge
    Morningstar: Souls last longer
    G2099: Increased bleed potency and duration

    Every synergy is an offensive one. She has more synergies than antman, more useful ones and with good and useful characters. I have no idea how you are saying antman is more relevant than guillotine considering she was the OG wolverine counter before void and CAIW and other champs came in. She has one of the highest SP3 damage potential in the game. She definitely needs a moderate update to her numbers and abilities, but no way in hell is she as bad as antman in the game.

    As far as being relevant in the game, outside of using antman for legends run, I don't see anyone using him in regular questing team. He is just as irrelevant as guillotine now.
    That is because ant man is tagged as a defender which could change if he wins. And guilly is an attacker. Similar to how things synergies help him out when getting hit to the face but it is much more efficient than ant mans. For relevancy, that legends run with ant man on your team will bring you more value than guillotine ever will at her current state seeing as so many mystics, techs, and science champs do what she does, better. Ant man is awful, but still has relevancy for synergy purposes. Otherwise without a doubt ant man deserves this overhaul more.

    Pulyaman said:

    Pulyaman said:

    This is totally my opinion but, mister negative is gonna be science, and mister fantastic is receiving a tune up. We need more love to the mystic class and guillotine truly seems like the right answer to receive the overhaul. She has been overshadowed by g2099, warlock, human torch, void, civil warrior even. Ant man definitely deserves an overhaul eventually, but in our current meta, mystic really needs the help right now. That is all.

    Show us your roster. Considering the way that you are hyping up Glancing - the most powerful offensive ability there is -, I think you have a 6 star or a 5 star Gully and need her buffed. Seriously though, the synergy with ghost is the only useful synergy antman has offensively and even with that synergy he hits bad. Do you not realize that glancing requires you to block attacks and take hits and that is something no one wishes to do when playing a character?. Mr.f tune up still makes him a supporting character and not someone who will be used primarily.
    Its quite the opposite actually, and in what way shape or form was i hyping up his glancing?




    These synergies help ant man gain some pretty decent attack bonuses for glancing and placing debuffs on the opponent, and iffy poison damage. Compared to guillotines synergies

    This is your quote. he gains decent bonuses for glancing. Tell me how to glance attacks without taking hits to the face or to the block. These are the synergies that you showed
    Wasp: When glancing hits - Needs to get hit or block
    Ronin: Inflict fatigue when struck - Needs to get hit
    Psycho-Man - Sp1 inflicts stagger
    Doc Oc - Glancing reflects damage - Needs to get hit or block
    Ghost - Increase attack for each debuff on defender

    Of the 5, only 2 are useful offensively unless you like to get hit a lot. Even the Psycho man synergy is useless most of the time since it does nothing to increase your damage and it is with psycho man - arguably the weakest hitting character released this year.

    Now let's see for Guillotine
    Stryfe: Souls last longer and are paused during specials
    NT: Each soul grants crit rating
    Gamora: Increased chance to gain soul charge
    Ronin: Gain soul charge
    Morningstar: Souls last longer
    G2099: Increased bleed potency and duration

    Every synergy is an offensive one. She has more synergies than antman, more useful ones and with good and useful characters. I have no idea how you are saying antman is more relevant than guillotine considering she was the OG wolverine counter before void and CAIW and other champs came in. She has one of the highest SP3 damage potential in the game. She definitely needs a moderate update to her numbers and abilities, but no way in hell is she as bad as antman in the game.

    As far as being relevant in the game, outside of using antman for legends run, I don't see anyone using him in regular questing team. He is just as irrelevant as guillotine now.
    Pulyaman said:

    Pulyaman said:

    This is totally my opinion but, mister negative is gonna be science, and mister fantastic is receiving a tune up. We need more love to the mystic class and guillotine truly seems like the right answer to receive the overhaul. She has been overshadowed by g2099, warlock, human torch, void, civil warrior even. Ant man definitely deserves an overhaul eventually, but in our current meta, mystic really needs the help right now. That is all.

    Show us your roster. Considering the way that you are hyping up Glancing - the most powerful offensive ability there is -, I think you have a 6 star or a 5 star Gully and need her buffed. Seriously though, the synergy with ghost is the only useful synergy antman has offensively and even with that synergy he hits bad. Do you not realize that glancing requires you to block attacks and take hits and that is something no one wishes to do when playing a character?. Mr.f tune up still makes him a supporting character and not someone who will be used primarily.
    Its quite the opposite actually, and in what way shape or form was i hyping up his glancing?




    These synergies help ant man gain some pretty decent attack bonuses for glancing and placing debuffs on the opponent, and iffy poison damage. Compared to guillotines synergies

    This is your quote. he gains decent bonuses for glancing. Tell me how to glance attacks without taking hits to the face or to the block. These are the synergies that you showed
    Wasp: When glancing hits - Needs to get hit or block
    Ronin: Inflict fatigue when struck - Needs to get hit
    Psycho-Man - Sp1 inflicts stagger
    Doc Oc - Glancing reflects damage - Needs to get hit or block
    Ghost - Increase attack for each debuff on defender

    Of the 5, only 2 are useful offensively unless you like to get hit a lot. Even the Psycho man synergy is useless most of the time since it does nothing to increase your damage and it is with psycho man - arguably the weakest hitting character released this year.

    Now let's see for Guillotine
    Stryfe: Souls last longer and are paused during specials
    NT: Each soul grants crit rating
    Gamora: Increased chance to gain soul charge
    Ronin: Gain soul charge
    Morningstar: Souls last longer
    G2099: Increased bleed potency and duration

    Every synergy is an offensive one. She has more synergies than antman, more useful ones and with good and useful characters. I have no idea how you are saying antman is more relevant than guillotine considering she was the OG wolverine counter before void and CAIW and other champs came in. She has one of the highest SP3 damage potential in the game. She definitely needs a moderate update to her numbers and abilities, but no way in hell is she as bad as antman in the game.

    As far as being relevant in the game, outside of using antman for legends run, I don't see anyone using him in regular questing team. He is just as irrelevant as guillotine now.
    That is because ant man is tagged as a defender which could change if he wins. And guilly is an attacker. Similar to how things synergies help him out when getting hit to the face but it is much more efficient than ant mans. For relevancy, that legends run with ant man on your team will bring you more value than guillotine ever will at her current state seeing as so many mystics, techs, and science champs do what she does, better. Ant man is awful, but still has relevancy for synergy purposes. Otherwise without a doubt ant man deserves this overhaul more.
    Guillotine had her day in the limelight. She was the og heal reversal queen when she came out. Synergy purpose is not relavence. How are you not understanding this. People actually want to play the character. Why do you think white mags gets used so much. He is a good synergy partner and has uses. Ant man has been useless since release. Champions always get replaced once meta changes. By your logic blade needs a update becuase he has been surpassed by nick fury.
    And FYI colossus is tagged defender and his update was great.
    Her day has passed and is no longer unique. And you know blade is still relevant with his regen and danger sense. Also im telling you ant mans current synergies requires him to get hit in the face because hes tagged as a defender, im not saying its gonna stay that way when he gets an overhaul, i was responding to your claim that im saying glancing is the best ability. Also beardo glances attacks on his block and hes godly, it just doesn’t work that way for ant man but he isnt the most useless champion if you have an imagination. Try your best to enhance guilly, youll always be finding her on the bench, whereas ant man benefits from his synergies and benefits the synergy partner. Not that the synergies really effect ant man but he still has his uses being a support champion
  • ChaosMax1012ChaosMax1012 Member Posts: 3,113 ★★★★★

    Pulyaman said:

    Pulyaman said:

    Pulyaman said:

    This is totally my opinion but, mister negative is gonna be science, and mister fantastic is receiving a tune up. We need more love to the mystic class and guillotine truly seems like the right answer to receive the overhaul. She has been overshadowed by g2099, warlock, human torch, void, civil warrior even. Ant man definitely deserves an overhaul eventually, but in our current meta, mystic really needs the help right now. That is all.

    Show us your roster. Considering the way that you are hyping up Glancing - the most powerful offensive ability there is -, I think you have a 6 star or a 5 star Gully and need her buffed. Seriously though, the synergy with ghost is the only useful synergy antman has offensively and even with that synergy he hits bad. Do you not realize that glancing requires you to block attacks and take hits and that is something no one wishes to do when playing a character?. Mr.f tune up still makes him a supporting character and not someone who will be used primarily.
    Its quite the opposite actually, and in what way shape or form was i hyping up his glancing?




    These synergies help ant man gain some pretty decent attack bonuses for glancing and placing debuffs on the opponent, and iffy poison damage. Compared to guillotines synergies

    This is your quote. he gains decent bonuses for glancing. Tell me how to glance attacks without taking hits to the face or to the block. These are the synergies that you showed
    Wasp: When glancing hits - Needs to get hit or block
    Ronin: Inflict fatigue when struck - Needs to get hit
    Psycho-Man - Sp1 inflicts stagger
    Doc Oc - Glancing reflects damage - Needs to get hit or block
    Ghost - Increase attack for each debuff on defender

    Of the 5, only 2 are useful offensively unless you like to get hit a lot. Even the Psycho man synergy is useless most of the time since it does nothing to increase your damage and it is with psycho man - arguably the weakest hitting character released this year.

    Now let's see for Guillotine
    Stryfe: Souls last longer and are paused during specials
    NT: Each soul grants crit rating
    Gamora: Increased chance to gain soul charge
    Ronin: Gain soul charge
    Morningstar: Souls last longer
    G2099: Increased bleed potency and duration

    Every synergy is an offensive one. She has more synergies than antman, more useful ones and with good and useful characters. I have no idea how you are saying antman is more relevant than guillotine considering she was the OG wolverine counter before void and CAIW and other champs came in. She has one of the highest SP3 damage potential in the game. She definitely needs a moderate update to her numbers and abilities, but no way in hell is she as bad as antman in the game.

    As far as being relevant in the game, outside of using antman for legends run, I don't see anyone using him in regular questing team. He is just as irrelevant as guillotine now.
    Pulyaman said:

    Pulyaman said:

    This is totally my opinion but, mister negative is gonna be science, and mister fantastic is receiving a tune up. We need more love to the mystic class and guillotine truly seems like the right answer to receive the overhaul. She has been overshadowed by g2099, warlock, human torch, void, civil warrior even. Ant man definitely deserves an overhaul eventually, but in our current meta, mystic really needs the help right now. That is all.

    Show us your roster. Considering the way that you are hyping up Glancing - the most powerful offensive ability there is -, I think you have a 6 star or a 5 star Gully and need her buffed. Seriously though, the synergy with ghost is the only useful synergy antman has offensively and even with that synergy he hits bad. Do you not realize that glancing requires you to block attacks and take hits and that is something no one wishes to do when playing a character?. Mr.f tune up still makes him a supporting character and not someone who will be used primarily.
    Its quite the opposite actually, and in what way shape or form was i hyping up his glancing?




    These synergies help ant man gain some pretty decent attack bonuses for glancing and placing debuffs on the opponent, and iffy poison damage. Compared to guillotines synergies

    This is your quote. he gains decent bonuses for glancing. Tell me how to glance attacks without taking hits to the face or to the block. These are the synergies that you showed
    Wasp: When glancing hits - Needs to get hit or block
    Ronin: Inflict fatigue when struck - Needs to get hit
    Psycho-Man - Sp1 inflicts stagger
    Doc Oc - Glancing reflects damage - Needs to get hit or block
    Ghost - Increase attack for each debuff on defender

    Of the 5, only 2 are useful offensively unless you like to get hit a lot. Even the Psycho man synergy is useless most of the time since it does nothing to increase your damage and it is with psycho man - arguably the weakest hitting character released this year.

    Now let's see for Guillotine
    Stryfe: Souls last longer and are paused during specials
    NT: Each soul grants crit rating
    Gamora: Increased chance to gain soul charge
    Ronin: Gain soul charge
    Morningstar: Souls last longer
    G2099: Increased bleed potency and duration

    Every synergy is an offensive one. She has more synergies than antman, more useful ones and with good and useful characters. I have no idea how you are saying antman is more relevant than guillotine considering she was the OG wolverine counter before void and CAIW and other champs came in. She has one of the highest SP3 damage potential in the game. She definitely needs a moderate update to her numbers and abilities, but no way in hell is she as bad as antman in the game.

    As far as being relevant in the game, outside of using antman for legends run, I don't see anyone using him in regular questing team. He is just as irrelevant as guillotine now.
    That is because ant man is tagged as a defender which could change if he wins. And guilly is an attacker. Similar to how things synergies help him out when getting hit to the face but it is much more efficient than ant mans. For relevancy, that legends run with ant man on your team will bring you more value than guillotine ever will at her current state seeing as so many mystics, techs, and science champs do what she does, better. Ant man is awful, but still has relevancy for synergy purposes. Otherwise without a doubt ant man deserves this overhaul more.

    Pulyaman said:

    Pulyaman said:

    This is totally my opinion but, mister negative is gonna be science, and mister fantastic is receiving a tune up. We need more love to the mystic class and guillotine truly seems like the right answer to receive the overhaul. She has been overshadowed by g2099, warlock, human torch, void, civil warrior even. Ant man definitely deserves an overhaul eventually, but in our current meta, mystic really needs the help right now. That is all.

    Show us your roster. Considering the way that you are hyping up Glancing - the most powerful offensive ability there is -, I think you have a 6 star or a 5 star Gully and need her buffed. Seriously though, the synergy with ghost is the only useful synergy antman has offensively and even with that synergy he hits bad. Do you not realize that glancing requires you to block attacks and take hits and that is something no one wishes to do when playing a character?. Mr.f tune up still makes him a supporting character and not someone who will be used primarily.
    Its quite the opposite actually, and in what way shape or form was i hyping up his glancing?




    These synergies help ant man gain some pretty decent attack bonuses for glancing and placing debuffs on the opponent, and iffy poison damage. Compared to guillotines synergies

    This is your quote. he gains decent bonuses for glancing. Tell me how to glance attacks without taking hits to the face or to the block. These are the synergies that you showed
    Wasp: When glancing hits - Needs to get hit or block
    Ronin: Inflict fatigue when struck - Needs to get hit
    Psycho-Man - Sp1 inflicts stagger
    Doc Oc - Glancing reflects damage - Needs to get hit or block
    Ghost - Increase attack for each debuff on defender

    Of the 5, only 2 are useful offensively unless you like to get hit a lot. Even the Psycho man synergy is useless most of the time since it does nothing to increase your damage and it is with psycho man - arguably the weakest hitting character released this year.

    Now let's see for Guillotine
    Stryfe: Souls last longer and are paused during specials
    NT: Each soul grants crit rating
    Gamora: Increased chance to gain soul charge
    Ronin: Gain soul charge
    Morningstar: Souls last longer
    G2099: Increased bleed potency and duration

    Every synergy is an offensive one. She has more synergies than antman, more useful ones and with good and useful characters. I have no idea how you are saying antman is more relevant than guillotine considering she was the OG wolverine counter before void and CAIW and other champs came in. She has one of the highest SP3 damage potential in the game. She definitely needs a moderate update to her numbers and abilities, but no way in hell is she as bad as antman in the game.

    As far as being relevant in the game, outside of using antman for legends run, I don't see anyone using him in regular questing team. He is just as irrelevant as guillotine now.
    Pulyaman said:

    Pulyaman said:

    This is totally my opinion but, mister negative is gonna be science, and mister fantastic is receiving a tune up. We need more love to the mystic class and guillotine truly seems like the right answer to receive the overhaul. She has been overshadowed by g2099, warlock, human torch, void, civil warrior even. Ant man definitely deserves an overhaul eventually, but in our current meta, mystic really needs the help right now. That is all.

    Show us your roster. Considering the way that you are hyping up Glancing - the most powerful offensive ability there is -, I think you have a 6 star or a 5 star Gully and need her buffed. Seriously though, the synergy with ghost is the only useful synergy antman has offensively and even with that synergy he hits bad. Do you not realize that glancing requires you to block attacks and take hits and that is something no one wishes to do when playing a character?. Mr.f tune up still makes him a supporting character and not someone who will be used primarily.
    Its quite the opposite actually, and in what way shape or form was i hyping up his glancing?




    These synergies help ant man gain some pretty decent attack bonuses for glancing and placing debuffs on the opponent, and iffy poison damage. Compared to guillotines synergies

    This is your quote. he gains decent bonuses for glancing. Tell me how to glance attacks without taking hits to the face or to the block. These are the synergies that you showed
    Wasp: When glancing hits - Needs to get hit or block
    Ronin: Inflict fatigue when struck - Needs to get hit
    Psycho-Man - Sp1 inflicts stagger
    Doc Oc - Glancing reflects damage - Needs to get hit or block
    Ghost - Increase attack for each debuff on defender

    Of the 5, only 2 are useful offensively unless you like to get hit a lot. Even the Psycho man synergy is useless most of the time since it does nothing to increase your damage and it is with psycho man - arguably the weakest hitting character released this year.

    Now let's see for Guillotine
    Stryfe: Souls last longer and are paused during specials
    NT: Each soul grants crit rating
    Gamora: Increased chance to gain soul charge
    Ronin: Gain soul charge
    Morningstar: Souls last longer
    G2099: Increased bleed potency and duration

    Every synergy is an offensive one. She has more synergies than antman, more useful ones and with good and useful characters. I have no idea how you are saying antman is more relevant than guillotine considering she was the OG wolverine counter before void and CAIW and other champs came in. She has one of the highest SP3 damage potential in the game. She definitely needs a moderate update to her numbers and abilities, but no way in hell is she as bad as antman in the game.

    As far as being relevant in the game, outside of using antman for legends run, I don't see anyone using him in regular questing team. He is just as irrelevant as guillotine now.
    That is because ant man is tagged as a defender which could change if he wins. And guilly is an attacker. Similar to how things synergies help him out when getting hit to the face but it is much more efficient than ant mans. For relevancy, that legends run with ant man on your team will bring you more value than guillotine ever will at her current state seeing as so many mystics, techs, and science champs do what she does, better. Ant man is awful, but still has relevancy for synergy purposes. Otherwise without a doubt ant man deserves this overhaul more.
    Guillotine had her day in the limelight. She was the og heal reversal queen when she came out. Synergy purpose is not relavence. How are you not understanding this. People actually want to play the character. Why do you think white mags gets used so much. He is a good synergy partner and has uses. Ant man has been useless since release. Champions always get replaced once meta changes. By your logic blade needs a update becuase he has been surpassed by nick fury.
    And FYI colossus is tagged defender and his update was great.
    Her day has passed and is no longer unique. And you know blade is still relevant with his regen and danger sense. Also im telling you ant mans current synergies requires him to get hit in the face because hes tagged as a defender, im not saying its gonna stay that way when he gets an overhaul, i was responding to your claim that im saying glancing is the best ability. Also beardo glances attacks on his block and hes godly, it just doesn’t work that way for ant man but he isnt the most useless champion if you have an imagination. Try your best to enhance guilly, youll always be finding her on the bench, whereas ant man benefits from his synergies and benefits the synergy partner. Not that the synergies really effect ant man but he still has his uses being a support champion
    Also you know she has been overshadowed by magik for the longest time, she was mainly used for wolverine in realm of legends.
  • PulyamanPulyaman Member Posts: 2,365 ★★★★★

    Pulyaman said:

    Pulyaman said:

    Pulyaman said:

    This is totally my opinion but, mister negative is gonna be science, and mister fantastic is receiving a tune up. We need more love to the mystic class and guillotine truly seems like the right answer to receive the overhaul. She has been overshadowed by g2099, warlock, human torch, void, civil warrior even. Ant man definitely deserves an overhaul eventually, but in our current meta, mystic really needs the help right now. That is all.

    Show us your roster. Considering the way that you are hyping up Glancing - the most powerful offensive ability there is -, I think you have a 6 star or a 5 star Gully and need her buffed. Seriously though, the synergy with ghost is the only useful synergy antman has offensively and even with that synergy he hits bad. Do you not realize that glancing requires you to block attacks and take hits and that is something no one wishes to do when playing a character?. Mr.f tune up still makes him a supporting character and not someone who will be used primarily.
    Its quite the opposite actually, and in what way shape or form was i hyping up his glancing?




    These synergies help ant man gain some pretty decent attack bonuses for glancing and placing debuffs on the opponent, and iffy poison damage. Compared to guillotines synergies

    This is your quote. he gains decent bonuses for glancing. Tell me how to glance attacks without taking hits to the face or to the block. These are the synergies that you showed
    Wasp: When glancing hits - Needs to get hit or block
    Ronin: Inflict fatigue when struck - Needs to get hit
    Psycho-Man - Sp1 inflicts stagger
    Doc Oc - Glancing reflects damage - Needs to get hit or block
    Ghost - Increase attack for each debuff on defender

    Of the 5, only 2 are useful offensively unless you like to get hit a lot. Even the Psycho man synergy is useless most of the time since it does nothing to increase your damage and it is with psycho man - arguably the weakest hitting character released this year.

    Now let's see for Guillotine
    Stryfe: Souls last longer and are paused during specials
    NT: Each soul grants crit rating
    Gamora: Increased chance to gain soul charge
    Ronin: Gain soul charge
    Morningstar: Souls last longer
    G2099: Increased bleed potency and duration

    Every synergy is an offensive one. She has more synergies than antman, more useful ones and with good and useful characters. I have no idea how you are saying antman is more relevant than guillotine considering she was the OG wolverine counter before void and CAIW and other champs came in. She has one of the highest SP3 damage potential in the game. She definitely needs a moderate update to her numbers and abilities, but no way in hell is she as bad as antman in the game.

    As far as being relevant in the game, outside of using antman for legends run, I don't see anyone using him in regular questing team. He is just as irrelevant as guillotine now.
    Pulyaman said:

    Pulyaman said:

    This is totally my opinion but, mister negative is gonna be science, and mister fantastic is receiving a tune up. We need more love to the mystic class and guillotine truly seems like the right answer to receive the overhaul. She has been overshadowed by g2099, warlock, human torch, void, civil warrior even. Ant man definitely deserves an overhaul eventually, but in our current meta, mystic really needs the help right now. That is all.

    Show us your roster. Considering the way that you are hyping up Glancing - the most powerful offensive ability there is -, I think you have a 6 star or a 5 star Gully and need her buffed. Seriously though, the synergy with ghost is the only useful synergy antman has offensively and even with that synergy he hits bad. Do you not realize that glancing requires you to block attacks and take hits and that is something no one wishes to do when playing a character?. Mr.f tune up still makes him a supporting character and not someone who will be used primarily.
    Its quite the opposite actually, and in what way shape or form was i hyping up his glancing?




    These synergies help ant man gain some pretty decent attack bonuses for glancing and placing debuffs on the opponent, and iffy poison damage. Compared to guillotines synergies

    This is your quote. he gains decent bonuses for glancing. Tell me how to glance attacks without taking hits to the face or to the block. These are the synergies that you showed
    Wasp: When glancing hits - Needs to get hit or block
    Ronin: Inflict fatigue when struck - Needs to get hit
    Psycho-Man - Sp1 inflicts stagger
    Doc Oc - Glancing reflects damage - Needs to get hit or block
    Ghost - Increase attack for each debuff on defender

    Of the 5, only 2 are useful offensively unless you like to get hit a lot. Even the Psycho man synergy is useless most of the time since it does nothing to increase your damage and it is with psycho man - arguably the weakest hitting character released this year.

    Now let's see for Guillotine
    Stryfe: Souls last longer and are paused during specials
    NT: Each soul grants crit rating
    Gamora: Increased chance to gain soul charge
    Ronin: Gain soul charge
    Morningstar: Souls last longer
    G2099: Increased bleed potency and duration

    Every synergy is an offensive one. She has more synergies than antman, more useful ones and with good and useful characters. I have no idea how you are saying antman is more relevant than guillotine considering she was the OG wolverine counter before void and CAIW and other champs came in. She has one of the highest SP3 damage potential in the game. She definitely needs a moderate update to her numbers and abilities, but no way in hell is she as bad as antman in the game.

    As far as being relevant in the game, outside of using antman for legends run, I don't see anyone using him in regular questing team. He is just as irrelevant as guillotine now.
    That is because ant man is tagged as a defender which could change if he wins. And guilly is an attacker. Similar to how things synergies help him out when getting hit to the face but it is much more efficient than ant mans. For relevancy, that legends run with ant man on your team will bring you more value than guillotine ever will at her current state seeing as so many mystics, techs, and science champs do what she does, better. Ant man is awful, but still has relevancy for synergy purposes. Otherwise without a doubt ant man deserves this overhaul more.

    Pulyaman said:

    Pulyaman said:

    This is totally my opinion but, mister negative is gonna be science, and mister fantastic is receiving a tune up. We need more love to the mystic class and guillotine truly seems like the right answer to receive the overhaul. She has been overshadowed by g2099, warlock, human torch, void, civil warrior even. Ant man definitely deserves an overhaul eventually, but in our current meta, mystic really needs the help right now. That is all.

    Show us your roster. Considering the way that you are hyping up Glancing - the most powerful offensive ability there is -, I think you have a 6 star or a 5 star Gully and need her buffed. Seriously though, the synergy with ghost is the only useful synergy antman has offensively and even with that synergy he hits bad. Do you not realize that glancing requires you to block attacks and take hits and that is something no one wishes to do when playing a character?. Mr.f tune up still makes him a supporting character and not someone who will be used primarily.
    Its quite the opposite actually, and in what way shape or form was i hyping up his glancing?




    These synergies help ant man gain some pretty decent attack bonuses for glancing and placing debuffs on the opponent, and iffy poison damage. Compared to guillotines synergies

    This is your quote. he gains decent bonuses for glancing. Tell me how to glance attacks without taking hits to the face or to the block. These are the synergies that you showed
    Wasp: When glancing hits - Needs to get hit or block
    Ronin: Inflict fatigue when struck - Needs to get hit
    Psycho-Man - Sp1 inflicts stagger
    Doc Oc - Glancing reflects damage - Needs to get hit or block
    Ghost - Increase attack for each debuff on defender

    Of the 5, only 2 are useful offensively unless you like to get hit a lot. Even the Psycho man synergy is useless most of the time since it does nothing to increase your damage and it is with psycho man - arguably the weakest hitting character released this year.

    Now let's see for Guillotine
    Stryfe: Souls last longer and are paused during specials
    NT: Each soul grants crit rating
    Gamora: Increased chance to gain soul charge
    Ronin: Gain soul charge
    Morningstar: Souls last longer
    G2099: Increased bleed potency and duration

    Every synergy is an offensive one. She has more synergies than antman, more useful ones and with good and useful characters. I have no idea how you are saying antman is more relevant than guillotine considering she was the OG wolverine counter before void and CAIW and other champs came in. She has one of the highest SP3 damage potential in the game. She definitely needs a moderate update to her numbers and abilities, but no way in hell is she as bad as antman in the game.

    As far as being relevant in the game, outside of using antman for legends run, I don't see anyone using him in regular questing team. He is just as irrelevant as guillotine now.
    Pulyaman said:

    Pulyaman said:

    This is totally my opinion but, mister negative is gonna be science, and mister fantastic is receiving a tune up. We need more love to the mystic class and guillotine truly seems like the right answer to receive the overhaul. She has been overshadowed by g2099, warlock, human torch, void, civil warrior even. Ant man definitely deserves an overhaul eventually, but in our current meta, mystic really needs the help right now. That is all.

    Show us your roster. Considering the way that you are hyping up Glancing - the most powerful offensive ability there is -, I think you have a 6 star or a 5 star Gully and need her buffed. Seriously though, the synergy with ghost is the only useful synergy antman has offensively and even with that synergy he hits bad. Do you not realize that glancing requires you to block attacks and take hits and that is something no one wishes to do when playing a character?. Mr.f tune up still makes him a supporting character and not someone who will be used primarily.
    Its quite the opposite actually, and in what way shape or form was i hyping up his glancing?




    These synergies help ant man gain some pretty decent attack bonuses for glancing and placing debuffs on the opponent, and iffy poison damage. Compared to guillotines synergies

    This is your quote. he gains decent bonuses for glancing. Tell me how to glance attacks without taking hits to the face or to the block. These are the synergies that you showed
    Wasp: When glancing hits - Needs to get hit or block
    Ronin: Inflict fatigue when struck - Needs to get hit
    Psycho-Man - Sp1 inflicts stagger
    Doc Oc - Glancing reflects damage - Needs to get hit or block
    Ghost - Increase attack for each debuff on defender

    Of the 5, only 2 are useful offensively unless you like to get hit a lot. Even the Psycho man synergy is useless most of the time since it does nothing to increase your damage and it is with psycho man - arguably the weakest hitting character released this year.

    Now let's see for Guillotine
    Stryfe: Souls last longer and are paused during specials
    NT: Each soul grants crit rating
    Gamora: Increased chance to gain soul charge
    Ronin: Gain soul charge
    Morningstar: Souls last longer
    G2099: Increased bleed potency and duration

    Every synergy is an offensive one. She has more synergies than antman, more useful ones and with good and useful characters. I have no idea how you are saying antman is more relevant than guillotine considering she was the OG wolverine counter before void and CAIW and other champs came in. She has one of the highest SP3 damage potential in the game. She definitely needs a moderate update to her numbers and abilities, but no way in hell is she as bad as antman in the game.

    As far as being relevant in the game, outside of using antman for legends run, I don't see anyone using him in regular questing team. He is just as irrelevant as guillotine now.
    That is because ant man is tagged as a defender which could change if he wins. And guilly is an attacker. Similar to how things synergies help him out when getting hit to the face but it is much more efficient than ant mans. For relevancy, that legends run with ant man on your team will bring you more value than guillotine ever will at her current state seeing as so many mystics, techs, and science champs do what she does, better. Ant man is awful, but still has relevancy for synergy purposes. Otherwise without a doubt ant man deserves this overhaul more.
    Guillotine had her day in the limelight. She was the og heal reversal queen when she came out. Synergy purpose is not relavence. How are you not understanding this. People actually want to play the character. Why do you think white mags gets used so much. He is a good synergy partner and has uses. Ant man has been useless since release. Champions always get replaced once meta changes. By your logic blade needs a update becuase he has been surpassed by nick fury.
    And FYI colossus is tagged defender and his update was great.
    Her day has passed and is no longer unique. And you know blade is still relevant with his regen and danger sense. Also im telling you ant mans current synergies requires him to get hit in the face because hes tagged as a defender, im not saying its gonna stay that way when he gets an overhaul, i was responding to your claim that im saying glancing is the best ability. Also beardo glances attacks on his block and hes godly, it just doesn’t work that way for ant man but he isnt the most useless champion if you have an imagination. Try your best to enhance guilly, youll always be finding her on the bench, whereas ant man benefits from his synergies and benefits the synergy partner. Not that the synergies really effect ant man but he still has his uses being a support champion

    Pulyaman said:

    Pulyaman said:

    Pulyaman said:

    This is totally my opinion but, mister negative is gonna be science, and mister fantastic is receiving a tune up. We need more love to the mystic class and guillotine truly seems like the right answer to receive the overhaul. She has been overshadowed by g2099, warlock, human torch, void, civil warrior even. Ant man definitely deserves an overhaul eventually, but in our current meta, mystic really needs the help right now. That is all.

    Show us your roster. Considering the way that you are hyping up Glancing - the most powerful offensive ability there is -, I think you have a 6 star or a 5 star Gully and need her buffed. Seriously though, the synergy with ghost is the only useful synergy antman has offensively and even with that synergy he hits bad. Do you not realize that glancing requires you to block attacks and take hits and that is something no one wishes to do when playing a character?. Mr.f tune up still makes him a supporting character and not someone who will be used primarily.
    Its quite the opposite actually, and in what way shape or form was i hyping up his glancing?




    These synergies help ant man gain some pretty decent attack bonuses for glancing and placing debuffs on the opponent, and iffy poison damage. Compared to guillotines synergies

    This is your quote. he gains decent bonuses for glancing. Tell me how to glance attacks without taking hits to the face or to the block. These are the synergies that you showed
    Wasp: When glancing hits - Needs to get hit or block
    Ronin: Inflict fatigue when struck - Needs to get hit
    Psycho-Man - Sp1 inflicts stagger
    Doc Oc - Glancing reflects damage - Needs to get hit or block
    Ghost - Increase attack for each debuff on defender

    Of the 5, only 2 are useful offensively unless you like to get hit a lot. Even the Psycho man synergy is useless most of the time since it does nothing to increase your damage and it is with psycho man - arguably the weakest hitting character released this year.

    Now let's see for Guillotine
    Stryfe: Souls last longer and are paused during specials
    NT: Each soul grants crit rating
    Gamora: Increased chance to gain soul charge
    Ronin: Gain soul charge
    Morningstar: Souls last longer
    G2099: Increased bleed potency and duration

    Every synergy is an offensive one. She has more synergies than antman, more useful ones and with good and useful characters. I have no idea how you are saying antman is more relevant than guillotine considering she was the OG wolverine counter before void and CAIW and other champs came in. She has one of the highest SP3 damage potential in the game. She definitely needs a moderate update to her numbers and abilities, but no way in hell is she as bad as antman in the game.

    As far as being relevant in the game, outside of using antman for legends run, I don't see anyone using him in regular questing team. He is just as irrelevant as guillotine now.
    Pulyaman said:

    Pulyaman said:

    This is totally my opinion but, mister negative is gonna be science, and mister fantastic is receiving a tune up. We need more love to the mystic class and guillotine truly seems like the right answer to receive the overhaul. She has been overshadowed by g2099, warlock, human torch, void, civil warrior even. Ant man definitely deserves an overhaul eventually, but in our current meta, mystic really needs the help right now. That is all.

    Show us your roster. Considering the way that you are hyping up Glancing - the most powerful offensive ability there is -, I think you have a 6 star or a 5 star Gully and need her buffed. Seriously though, the synergy with ghost is the only useful synergy antman has offensively and even with that synergy he hits bad. Do you not realize that glancing requires you to block attacks and take hits and that is something no one wishes to do when playing a character?. Mr.f tune up still makes him a supporting character and not someone who will be used primarily.
    Its quite the opposite actually, and in what way shape or form was i hyping up his glancing?




    These synergies help ant man gain some pretty decent attack bonuses for glancing and placing debuffs on the opponent, and iffy poison damage. Compared to guillotines synergies

    This is your quote. he gains decent bonuses for glancing. Tell me how to glance attacks without taking hits to the face or to the block. These are the synergies that you showed
    Wasp: When glancing hits - Needs to get hit or block
    Ronin: Inflict fatigue when struck - Needs to get hit
    Psycho-Man - Sp1 inflicts stagger
    Doc Oc - Glancing reflects damage - Needs to get hit or block
    Ghost - Increase attack for each debuff on defender

    Of the 5, only 2 are useful offensively unless you like to get hit a lot. Even the Psycho man synergy is useless most of the time since it does nothing to increase your damage and it is with psycho man - arguably the weakest hitting character released this year.

    Now let's see for Guillotine
    Stryfe: Souls last longer and are paused during specials
    NT: Each soul grants crit rating
    Gamora: Increased chance to gain soul charge
    Ronin: Gain soul charge
    Morningstar: Souls last longer
    G2099: Increased bleed potency and duration

    Every synergy is an offensive one. She has more synergies than antman, more useful ones and with good and useful characters. I have no idea how you are saying antman is more relevant than guillotine considering she was the OG wolverine counter before void and CAIW and other champs came in. She has one of the highest SP3 damage potential in the game. She definitely needs a moderate update to her numbers and abilities, but no way in hell is she as bad as antman in the game.

    As far as being relevant in the game, outside of using antman for legends run, I don't see anyone using him in regular questing team. He is just as irrelevant as guillotine now.
    That is because ant man is tagged as a defender which could change if he wins. And guilly is an attacker. Similar to how things synergies help him out when getting hit to the face but it is much more efficient than ant mans. For relevancy, that legends run with ant man on your team will bring you more value than guillotine ever will at her current state seeing as so many mystics, techs, and science champs do what she does, better. Ant man is awful, but still has relevancy for synergy purposes. Otherwise without a doubt ant man deserves this overhaul more.

    Pulyaman said:

    Pulyaman said:

    This is totally my opinion but, mister negative is gonna be science, and mister fantastic is receiving a tune up. We need more love to the mystic class and guillotine truly seems like the right answer to receive the overhaul. She has been overshadowed by g2099, warlock, human torch, void, civil warrior even. Ant man definitely deserves an overhaul eventually, but in our current meta, mystic really needs the help right now. That is all.

    Show us your roster. Considering the way that you are hyping up Glancing - the most powerful offensive ability there is -, I think you have a 6 star or a 5 star Gully and need her buffed. Seriously though, the synergy with ghost is the only useful synergy antman has offensively and even with that synergy he hits bad. Do you not realize that glancing requires you to block attacks and take hits and that is something no one wishes to do when playing a character?. Mr.f tune up still makes him a supporting character and not someone who will be used primarily.
    Its quite the opposite actually, and in what way shape or form was i hyping up his glancing?




    These synergies help ant man gain some pretty decent attack bonuses for glancing and placing debuffs on the opponent, and iffy poison damage. Compared to guillotines synergies

    This is your quote. he gains decent bonuses for glancing. Tell me how to glance attacks without taking hits to the face or to the block. These are the synergies that you showed
    Wasp: When glancing hits - Needs to get hit or block
    Ronin: Inflict fatigue when struck - Needs to get hit
    Psycho-Man - Sp1 inflicts stagger
    Doc Oc - Glancing reflects damage - Needs to get hit or block
    Ghost - Increase attack for each debuff on defender

    Of the 5, only 2 are useful offensively unless you like to get hit a lot. Even the Psycho man synergy is useless most of the time since it does nothing to increase your damage and it is with psycho man - arguably the weakest hitting character released this year.

    Now let's see for Guillotine
    Stryfe: Souls last longer and are paused during specials
    NT: Each soul grants crit rating
    Gamora: Increased chance to gain soul charge
    Ronin: Gain soul charge
    Morningstar: Souls last longer
    G2099: Increased bleed potency and duration

    Every synergy is an offensive one. She has more synergies than antman, more useful ones and with good and useful characters. I have no idea how you are saying antman is more relevant than guillotine considering she was the OG wolverine counter before void and CAIW and other champs came in. She has one of the highest SP3 damage potential in the game. She definitely needs a moderate update to her numbers and abilities, but no way in hell is she as bad as antman in the game.

    As far as being relevant in the game, outside of using antman for legends run, I don't see anyone using him in regular questing team. He is just as irrelevant as guillotine now.
    Pulyaman said:

    Pulyaman said:

    This is totally my opinion but, mister negative is gonna be science, and mister fantastic is receiving a tune up. We need more love to the mystic class and guillotine truly seems like the right answer to receive the overhaul. She has been overshadowed by g2099, warlock, human torch, void, civil warrior even. Ant man definitely deserves an overhaul eventually, but in our current meta, mystic really needs the help right now. That is all.

    Show us your roster. Considering the way that you are hyping up Glancing - the most powerful offensive ability there is -, I think you have a 6 star or a 5 star Gully and need her buffed. Seriously though, the synergy with ghost is the only useful synergy antman has offensively and even with that synergy he hits bad. Do you not realize that glancing requires you to block attacks and take hits and that is something no one wishes to do when playing a character?. Mr.f tune up still makes him a supporting character and not someone who will be used primarily.
    Its quite the opposite actually, and in what way shape or form was i hyping up his glancing?




    These synergies help ant man gain some pretty decent attack bonuses for glancing and placing debuffs on the opponent, and iffy poison damage. Compared to guillotines synergies

    This is your quote. he gains decent bonuses for glancing. Tell me how to glance attacks without taking hits to the face or to the block. These are the synergies that you showed
    Wasp: When glancing hits - Needs to get hit or block
    Ronin: Inflict fatigue when struck - Needs to get hit
    Psycho-Man - Sp1 inflicts stagger
    Doc Oc - Glancing reflects damage - Needs to get hit or block
    Ghost - Increase attack for each debuff on defender

    Of the 5, only 2 are useful offensively unless you like to get hit a lot. Even the Psycho man synergy is useless most of the time since it does nothing to increase your damage and it is with psycho man - arguably the weakest hitting character released this year.

    Now let's see for Guillotine
    Stryfe: Souls last longer and are paused during specials
    NT: Each soul grants crit rating
    Gamora: Increased chance to gain soul charge
    Ronin: Gain soul charge
    Morningstar: Souls last longer
    G2099: Increased bleed potency and duration

    Every synergy is an offensive one. She has more synergies than antman, more useful ones and with good and useful characters. I have no idea how you are saying antman is more relevant than guillotine considering she was the OG wolverine counter before void and CAIW and other champs came in. She has one of the highest SP3 damage potential in the game. She definitely needs a moderate update to her numbers and abilities, but no way in hell is she as bad as antman in the game.

    As far as being relevant in the game, outside of using antman for legends run, I don't see anyone using him in regular questing team. He is just as irrelevant as guillotine now.
    That is because ant man is tagged as a defender which could change if he wins. And guilly is an attacker. Similar to how things synergies help him out when getting hit to the face but it is much more efficient than ant mans. For relevancy, that legends run with ant man on your team will bring you more value than guillotine ever will at her current state seeing as so many mystics, techs, and science champs do what she does, better. Ant man is awful, but still has relevancy for synergy purposes. Otherwise without a doubt ant man deserves this overhaul more.
    Guillotine had her day in the limelight. She was the og heal reversal queen when she came out. Synergy purpose is not relavence. How are you not understanding this. People actually want to play the character. Why do you think white mags gets used so much. He is a good synergy partner and has uses. Ant man has been useless since release. Champions always get replaced once meta changes. By your logic blade needs a update becuase he has been surpassed by nick fury.
    And FYI colossus is tagged defender and his update was great.
    Her day has passed and is no longer unique. And you know blade is still relevant with his regen and danger sense. Also im telling you ant mans current synergies requires him to get hit in the face because hes tagged as a defender, im not saying its gonna stay that way when he gets an overhaul, i was responding to your claim that im saying glancing is the best ability. Also beardo glances attacks on his block and hes godly, it just doesn’t work that way for ant man but he isnt the most useless champion if you have an imagination. Try your best to enhance guilly, youll always be finding her on the bench, whereas ant man benefits from his synergies and benefits the synergy partner. Not that the synergies really effect ant man but he still has his uses being a support champion
    Your point is gully is useless but ant man can atleast make it to the team because of synergies. Is that it? Sorry. I actually want to play antman. I used gully a lot when I started the game and have never used antman for anything other than arena. I want to see what Kabam can do with him. Lot of people bring gully along with Morningstar to ramp up quicker. So she still does have some use as a synergy partner.
    Beardo glances attacks but he is not godly because of that. He has a ridiculous number of utility and can actually deal a lot of damage. People actually forget about his glancing.
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