Why Red Goblin is better than CGR.

Masterpuff

Texas_11 said:

Masterpuff said:

Texas_11 said:

Hera1d_of_Ga1actus said:

since when was CGR the top cosmic "officially"?

Really I think the top 3 cosmic are :

CGR
Red Goblin
Corvus

It was hard to choose between a lol and a disagree. I gave you a lol.

Also my top 5 is:
Hype
Corvus(#1 with suicides)
CGR/CMM
Whoever
That other champ

I was with you until I saw CMM, she is past her prime , and is not that great on her own. I’m not a suicide runner so don’t value Corvus very highly

I honestly think 5* hype is the better than any cosmic champs we have as a 6*,

We have Hercules and American Chavez coming so maybe that changes. Hercules being the icon he is will almost be a guarantee L. American Chavez though, god tier.

As the owner of a 6/3 CMM that i used my abyss generic on, id have to disagree. Her ramp isnt too bad and it can be kept up fairly easily. Her burst isnt too far off from that of Roblin, and i value her indestructible over most other utilities easily.

Hera1d_of_Ga1actus

Texas_11 said:

Hera1d_of_Ga1actus said:

since when was CGR the top cosmic "officially"?

Really I think the top 3 cosmic are :

CGR
Red Goblin
Corvus

that's an opinion lol, nothing official about it

BitterSteel

DawsMan said:

Texas_11 said:

DawsMan said:

I used to think CGR was the be all and end all of the cosmic class but he isn't. He has really great damage, but getting there can take a while and he doesn't really have any safety nets besides powerlock and high block prof.

Is Roblin better? No absolutely not. Is CGR the top Cosmic? No. CGR lacks a lot of utility in trade off for huge burst damage that doesn't require anything special. Doom can't do stun immune very well at all, but CGR can.

TBH your argument didn't convince me.

That’s Fair. I’ll try to come up with a stronger argument.

Ok.

I'd like to share with you my logic on my top 3.

Let's assume hype is available as a six star for the sake of things

No.1 Hype. Big health pool, parry heavy for fairly reliable damage and insane power gain. You parry heavy, parry heavy, and your at a special two that will deal massive damage. Additionally his special 1 has damage over time and energy attack if you ever need access to that.

Once you reach 3 bars of power your power gain buffs are converted into atomic lookin thangs that increase your damage (so not a big penalty for holding at 3 bars) and if you dash back and hold block proc a huge regen. His special three does amazing damage as well and provides you with three of these buffs or makes them not expire (and turn into power gains) if you already have three.

The utility there is astronomical. DOT, stun, armor break, huge accessible damage, big regen, accessible specials, big health pool. He can just do so much.

No. 2 Corvus. He's the second most used champion in AW besides Quake (heard that from Kabam John on someone's live stream, either BG or Lags).

He is annoying to ramp up, but so is every other ramp up champion. He has huge damage and you can conserve your charges to set off huge specials. He has armor break on parry's and once you get 2 cruelties you are hitting like a truck. He has usefulness almost everywhere. He can crit through blocks.

Then his awakened ability is what brings him to a whole new level. He is immune to recoil and DOT at that point, can't die, if you have willpower and any sort of debuff it will bring you a little over 1% and then you can parry without taking away your charges. His utility and easy access to damage makes him insane, and that awakened ability is what puts him in the No. 2 spot.

No. 3 CGR. Bleed immune (great for biohazard tbh), incinerate immune (great for icarus). His block proficiency is insane, and he has huge damage. There are so many different cycles you can do for different fights. Want to cycle sp3s? MLLLM, and do that till you get a special three, feel free to dex.

Once you are there throw it off. Oh what's that? Big damage? Yup. Then MLLLL to get a massive power gain that will put you at 3 bars again. Be beating into the opponent, who will be melting because you have armor breaks on them and are powerlocked as well as void of any buffs (with awakening), and once the damnation or powerlock expires you go heavy cancel special three with close to 11 armor breaks on the defender. This special three will hit hard as well and you rinse and repeat.

Shorter fights you get to special 2 and heavy cancel into it, medium fights you get to special three then special two.

His utility isn't amazing but he has some good utility that is similar to a mystic champion paired with huge yellow and rust colored numbers that just melt anyone in the bursty fashion that cosmic's seem to excel in. You've also got vigilance so no missing, and DOT on special one that is unblockable (IMIW).

He lacks a bit of utility but the damage is THERE and as I was doing some Act 6 exploration, I'd go in against a less than favourable matchup, a little concerning, but then they were just dead. And that's part of his utility. Not a master of anything but sort of a big numbers jack of all trades.

Hyperions utility was impressive 3 years ago, now it’s just above CGRs level. He’s very reliable, and still awesome - but the nostalgia factor makes people rate him higher that he is now. Corvus is better than him, CGR is so close to him that it’s personal preference for who is better.

Newlinstheory

As someone whos played w/ both a 6* CgR and Roblin
I gotta say I much prefer roblin, if you have odin getting to his damage is a lot simpler and bit more fun, but unfortunately CGR can get there so much faster because you dont NEED to throw an sp3 for CGR unless you want that fury.

Whereas w/Roblin at the start you will to be able to activate frenzy and have two buffs active. In order to get the best damage out if him.
Roblin does happen to be a lot of fun, but I can honestly say I will be taking my Roblin to r3 over a CGR


......TO me those who disagree, are riding CGR’s bike a bit too much and should really try Roblin’s Glider lol

Hera1d_of_Ga1actus

Hera1d_of_Ga1actus said:

Texas_11 said:

Hera1d_of_Ga1actus said:

since when was CGR the top cosmic "officially"?

Really I think the top 3 cosmic are :

CGR
Red Goblin
Corvus

that's an opinion lol, nothing official about it

and wait wtf, you just said red goblin should be above CGR so why is he 2nd, my head rn

Texas_11

Masterpuff said:

Texas_11 said:

Masterpuff said:

Texas_11 said:

Hera1d_of_Ga1actus said:

since when was CGR the top cosmic "officially"?

Really I think the top 3 cosmic are :

CGR
Red Goblin
Corvus

It was hard to choose between a lol and a disagree. I gave you a lol.

Also my top 5 is:
Hype
Corvus(#1 with suicides)
CGR/CMM
Whoever
That other champ

I was with you until I saw CMM, she is past her prime , and is not that great on her own. I’m not a suicide runner so don’t value Corvus very highly

I honestly think 5* hype is the better than any cosmic champs we have as a 6*,

We have Hercules and American Chavez coming so maybe that changes. Hercules being the icon he is will almost be a guarantee L. American Chavez though, god tier.

As the owner of a 6/3 CMM that i used my abyss generic on, id have to disagree. Her ramp isnt too bad and it can be kept up fairly easily. Her burst isnt too far off from that of Roblin, and i value her indestructible over most other utilities easily.

It’s OK to disagree. We all have our own opinions and our preferred play styles. I guess the reason that I don’t like Captain Marvel movie so much is the fact she relies on stun : Nowadays matches just aren’t that simple anymore: I do have a 5/5 , but haven’t played her in ages because of that.

BitterSteel

Hera1d_of_Ga1actus said:

Hera1d_of_Ga1actus said:

Texas_11 said:

Hera1d_of_Ga1actus said:

since when was CGR the top cosmic "officially"?

Really I think the top 3 cosmic are :

CGR
Red Goblin
Corvus

that's an opinion lol, nothing official about it

and wait wtf, you just said red goblin should be above CGR so why is he 2nd, my head rn

I thought that too, but I think that was an non-ordered list

odishika123

Someone got out of bed and picked Violence

BuggyDClown

Texas_11 said:

I think that Red Goblin should actually take CGRs place as the top cosmic officially.

I had a chance to play with them both for quite awhile and CGR just falls short almost everywhere I needed him.

First let’s look at damage:

Red goblins damage is actually quite crazy once you have 3 charges or he is in frenzy mode. There are plenty of solos in abyss with him.

They both finish fights roughly in the same time frame because CGR and RG have to use the SP3.

Let’s look at utility;

Red goblin is incinerate immune , can reduce spidey verse evades , anti miss, anti auto block , anti power burn. I have used everyone to get me out of trouble and tackle tricky node combinations. This is real content use. Modok , darkhawk, sixth sense etc.

Let’s look at practical uses.

Red goblin is just easier to use and more straight forward. You can have power gain as long as you need it, armor break, or incinerate as long as you need. Heck you can even have all 3 up.

CGR you have to activate combos and throw away utility so you can get the big payoff. When I think cosmic champs in general need more than just a big payoff.

Overall,
Red Goblin gets used pretty regularly whenever I can do some longer content with him, because of his simple rotation and everyday uses he ranks higher to me.

I don't own any of them so I can't really speak. But the way you presented the things and came up with argument after using both of them at high rank you deserve respect mate. If I can pull both if them soon I will test them and try to find at my own.

DawsMan

BitterSteel said:

DawsMan said:

Texas_11 said:

DawsMan said:

I used to think CGR was the be all and end all of the cosmic class but he isn't. He has really great damage, but getting there can take a while and he doesn't really have any safety nets besides powerlock and high block prof.

Is Roblin better? No absolutely not. Is CGR the top Cosmic? No. CGR lacks a lot of utility in trade off for huge burst damage that doesn't require anything special. Doom can't do stun immune very well at all, but CGR can.

TBH your argument didn't convince me.

That’s Fair. I’ll try to come up with a stronger argument.

Ok.

I'd like to share with you my logic on my top 3.

Let's assume hype is available as a six star for the sake of things

No.1 Hype. Big health pool, parry heavy for fairly reliable damage and insane power gain. You parry heavy, parry heavy, and your at a special two that will deal massive damage. Additionally his special 1 has damage over time and energy attack if you ever need access to that.

Once you reach 3 bars of power your power gain buffs are converted into atomic lookin thangs that increase your damage (so not a big penalty for holding at 3 bars) and if you dash back and hold block proc a huge regen. His special three does amazing damage as well and provides you with three of these buffs or makes them not expire (and turn into power gains) if you already have three.

The utility there is astronomical. DOT, stun, armor break, huge accessible damage, big regen, accessible specials, big health pool. He can just do so much.

No. 2 Corvus. He's the second most used champion in AW besides Quake (heard that from Kabam John on someone's live stream, either BG or Lags).

He is annoying to ramp up, but so is every other ramp up champion. He has huge damage and you can conserve your charges to set off huge specials. He has armor break on parry's and once you get 2 cruelties you are hitting like a truck. He has usefulness almost everywhere. He can crit through blocks.

Then his awakened ability is what brings him to a whole new level. He is immune to recoil and DOT at that point, can't die, if you have willpower and any sort of debuff it will bring you a little over 1% and then you can parry without taking away your charges. His utility and easy access to damage makes him insane, and that awakened ability is what puts him in the No. 2 spot.

No. 3 CGR. Bleed immune (great for biohazard tbh), incinerate immune (great for icarus). His block proficiency is insane, and he has huge damage. There are so many different cycles you can do for different fights. Want to cycle sp3s? MLLLM, and do that till you get a special three, feel free to dex.

Once you are there throw it off. Oh what's that? Big damage? Yup. Then MLLLL to get a massive power gain that will put you at 3 bars again. Be beating into the opponent, who will be melting because you have armor breaks on them and are powerlocked as well as void of any buffs (with awakening), and once the damnation or powerlock expires you go heavy cancel special three with close to 11 armor breaks on the defender. This special three will hit hard as well and you rinse and repeat.

Shorter fights you get to special 2 and heavy cancel into it, medium fights you get to special three then special two.

His utility isn't amazing but he has some good utility that is similar to a mystic champion paired with huge yellow and rust colored numbers that just melt anyone in the bursty fashion that cosmic's seem to excel in. You've also got vigilance so no missing, and DOT on special one that is unblockable (IMIW).

He lacks a bit of utility but the damage is THERE and as I was doing some Act 6 exploration, I'd go in against a less than favourable matchup, a little concerning, but then they were just dead. And that's part of his utility. Not a master of anything but sort of a big numbers jack of all trades.

Hyperions utility was impressive 3 years ago, now it’s just above CGRs level. He’s very reliable, and still awesome - but the nostalgia factor makes people rate him higher that he is now. Corvus is better than him, CGR is so close to him that it’s personal preference for who is better.

I haven't been playing for 3 years so I wouldn't say that nostalgia is playing a factor. My 6* r2 corvus is unawakened so I may have a lack of appreciation but I have all of these champions at high levels and have used them in endgame content.

I agree that sure, Corvus may be better, but for the sake of my arguments up top I was assuming that Hype was available as a six star. Personally, I don't love conserving charges with Corvus and when he's only at r2 it takes a long time to ramp him up in Act 6 and 7. Not to say he isn't effective. He was a beast in 7.1, but he's better with slightly smaller healthpools, hence AW and AQ.

Hype's damage is only limited by RNG, but with 5 hits in the heavy he hits hard almost guarenteed. He is easier to play in endgame content than Corvus, and I would say is used for different things.

Where the game stands right now, I like Hype better but I haven't used him in Act 7 as much as Corvus.

Masterpuff

Texas_11 said:

Masterpuff said:

Texas_11 said:

Masterpuff said:

Texas_11 said:

Hera1d_of_Ga1actus said:

since when was CGR the top cosmic "officially"?

Really I think the top 3 cosmic are :

CGR
Red Goblin
Corvus

It was hard to choose between a lol and a disagree. I gave you a lol.

Also my top 5 is:
Hype
Corvus(#1 with suicides)
CGR/CMM
Whoever
That other champ

I was with you until I saw CMM, she is past her prime , and is not that great on her own. I’m not a suicide runner so don’t value Corvus very highly

I honestly think 5* hype is the better than any cosmic champs we have as a 6*,

We have Hercules and American Chavez coming so maybe that changes. Hercules being the icon he is will almost be a guarantee L. American Chavez though, god tier.

As the owner of a 6/3 CMM that i used my abyss generic on, id have to disagree. Her ramp isnt too bad and it can be kept up fairly easily. Her burst isnt too far off from that of Roblin, and i value her indestructible over most other utilities easily.

It’s OK to disagree. We all have our own opinions and our preferred play styles. I guess the reason that I don’t like Captain Marvel movie so much is the fact she relies on stun : Nowadays matches just aren’t that simple anymore: I do have a 5/5 , but haven’t played her in ages because of that.

I use her most of all my cosmics 🥴

StevieManWonder

A fully ramped Roblin is really fun but far from the top cosmic and I love him. I have him at 6r2 and will likely r3 him soon, but he’s just not a top contender. His ramp up is just too miserable to be good.

AMS94

I have seen plenty of R3 6* max sig, fully boosted Red Goblin gameplay at te of his release to know that he is not a champ most people would want to invest in, definitely not near CGR level
I consider Venom as a better champ than Red Goblin, or at least on a similar level

LORDSPOOKY66

As much as i love RG Cgr is much better. I still consider him top 7 cosmic but cgr doesnt need any ramp up to unlock damage