Could someone explain something for me please?

I’m not very good at this game, but neither am I completely inept. I can take on enemies ( unbuffed or unassisted) about 3-4K above my champs, and will win a few more than I lose. Most games involving tiered combat works that way as far as my experience goes. You strive to improve, gain experience by taking on higher levels and bosses. But this game uses a mechanic I don’t quite understand?
Why boost bosses way beyond the capability of the player?
For example, if I take my top lvl 3s and a few level 4s , all at around 2.7 - 3.5k , onto a quest , I’ve got a total of about 14k , and the quest recommends, say, 10k . I get in there, and 7 or 8 opponents lie ahead, all about 5k each. So, I battle my way through, use a revive and a few healing pots to get to the boss, and there I find an 8.5k boss glowing orange or purple.?
It doesn’t make any sense? If you then throw in the extremely punishing bleed, degenerate, incinerate etc… you’ve punished severely a player for doing better than their stats suggest, in effect it makes the boss unbeatable and the quest unfinishable.
Look, I know I’ll be accused of being a whiner and a whinge, I don’t care, I’m just genuinely baffled why make a game that is difficult enough to master….impossible to compete.?
Bosses that hard, at the end of a quest that was already extremely brutal is… well, ok, I’ll say it, unfair.
I don’t like easy games. I like my console games on survival or mental, and I love punishing games like the Souls trilogy, but this Marvel Coc is brutally unforgiving for those already trying to punch above their weight. The bosses do not need to be impossible, just difficult.

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BitterSteel

The point of a boss being beyond your rating is to encourage you to rank up champions, come back stronger, bring different counters, learn a new skill etc.

Everyone playing the game has hit a wall at some point, and no fight in this game is impossible full stop.

Keep going man, maybe if you wanted to you could post your roster and what you’re stuck on, there’s a lot of knowledgeable people here willing to help. Up to you

Justiciar

The point of a boss being beyond your rating is to encourage you to rank up champions, come back stronger, bring different counters, learn a new skill etc.

Yep, in all games, the boss level is your ultimate test, I understand.
Here’s just one example of the extent it goes beyond just being very tough.
Yesterday I fought my way through one of the later levels on Heroic on the new quest line , my two best were 4star Doom and Tigra, backed with maxed 3* Widow (D.O) , stealth Spidey, and Nova. Battled through 4.5k -5k enemies, battered and bruised, and come up against a 10k Blade glowing orange. All 5 of my champs wiped out with barely a 5% loss on Blade.
To me, that’s beyond tough, it’s borderline stupidly unfair.

Eb0ny-O-M4w

You are still fairly new to the game. It seems like tou don't tet know most of the champion's abilities, as well as additional abilities that come from nodes (what you define as "glowing orange").
You're champions are more than enough to complete that level of content. The problem is you, who is yet to learn and adapt to the difficulty and mechanics of the game.
Just take your time. Back out and go explore story quests until you learn more about the game. Always read the text boxes that usually appear to explain some stuff about thegame as well.
This isn't a simple game. There are over 200 characters, every character has different abilities than other's, and can have even more if the quest provides them with it

BitterSteel

The point of a boss being beyond your rating is to encourage you to rank up champions, come back stronger, bring different counters, learn a new skill etc.
Yep, in all games, the boss level is your ultimate test, I understand.
Here’s just one example of the extent it goes beyond just being very tough.
Yesterday I fought my way through one of the later levels on Heroic on the new quest line , my two best were 4star Doom and Tigra, backed with maxed 3* Widow (D.O) , stealth Spidey, and Nova. Battled through 4.5k -5k enemies, battered and bruised, and come up against a 10k Blade glowing orange. All 5 of my champs wiped out with barely a 5% loss on Blade.
To me, that’s beyond tough, it’s borderline stupidly unfair.

But my point is you just need to look at the fight and think, right, there’s my challenge. I can’t do it right now, but I want to be able to. How can I do that?

I’m gonna go and rank these champions, I’m gonna practice this, I’m gonna wait and pull some better champions. I’m gonna leave it for now with my maxed 3*, and I’m gonna come back when I’ve got higher ranked 4*.

Then you come back, and when you’re a stronger more experienced player, you will mow down that fight and wonder how you were ever stuck on it.

That’s the entire model of this game, to keep pushing as far as you can, then when you hit a roadblock take a pause and advance in other ways. Get more champs, make your current champs stronger etc.

With your point of view how can any challenge be in the game? It’s all relative to where you are in the game. What’s challenging to you right now is very easy to someone else. But what’s easy to you may challenge someone lower than you.

Imagine a fight you find very simple, normal difficulty for example. Someone taking 2* into that may find it very hard, should it be reduced in difficulty just because they find it hard?

Demonzfyre

I’m not very good at this game, but neither am I completely inept. I can take on enemies ( unbuffed or unassisted) about 3-4K above my champs, and will win a few more than I lose. Most games involving tiered combat works that way as far as my experience goes. You strive to improve, gain experience by taking on higher levels and bosses. But this game uses a mechanic I don’t quite understand?
Why boost bosses way beyond the capability of the player?
For example, if I take my top lvl 3s and a few level 4s , all at around 2.7 - 3.5k , onto a quest , I’ve got a total of about 14k , and the quest recommends, say, 10k . I get in there, and 7 or 8 opponents lie ahead, all about 5k each. So, I battle my way through, use a revive and a few healing pots to get to the boss, and there I find an 8.5k boss glowing orange or purple.?
It doesn’t make any sense? If you then throw in the extremely punishing bleed, degenerate, incinerate etc… you’ve punished severely a player for doing better than their stats suggest, in effect it makes the boss unbeatable and the quest unfinishable.
Look, I know I’ll be accused of being a whiner and a whinge, I don’t care, I’m just genuinely baffled why make a game that is difficult enough to master….impossible to compete.?
Bosses that hard, at the end of a quest that was already extremely brutal is… well, ok, I’ll say it, unfair.
I don’t like easy games. I like my console games on survival or mental, and I love punishing games like the Souls trilogy, but this Marvel Coc is brutally unforgiving for those already trying to punch above their weight. The bosses do not need to be impossible, just difficult.

Something you might be missing is that you can enter the quest and check the nodes on the boss. You can click on the profile image of the boss and see what nodes are on them. This way you can plan ahead and bring a counter for that boss. If a node involves bleed, bring a defender that either shrugs off bleed or is immune like a robot attacker. There is only one champion immune to degen and that's spider-ham but you shouldn't be seeing any degen right now that I can think of at your level node wise.

Right, are you having an issue with a particular quest? If you can, can you post what quest and what champs you have to work with.

Don't pay much attention to the defender P.I. It doesn't really mean much. With champions having class advantage or damage over time effects, defenders can have a much higher P.I and still be taken down. You'll see this all over the game. Easiest place to see this is Realm of Legends. It says you need a team rating of 99999999999 or something like that and fights in there can be done with 2*'s.

Once you get past the defender P.I mentally as not something to worry about, you'll be better off. Focus on counters more than anything.

Demonzfyre

The point of a boss being beyond your rating is to encourage you to rank up champions, come back stronger, bring different counters, learn a new skill etc.
Yep, in all games, the boss level is your ultimate test, I understand.
Here’s just one example of the extent it goes beyond just being very tough.
Yesterday I fought my way through one of the later levels on Heroic on the new quest line , my two best were 4star Doom and Tigra, backed with maxed 3* Widow (D.O) , stealth Spidey, and Nova. Battled through 4.5k -5k enemies, battered and bruised, and come up against a 10k Blade glowing orange. All 5 of my champs wiped out with barely a 5% loss on Blade.
To me, that’s beyond tough, it’s borderline stupidly unfair.

https://youtu.be/IuDMJLddhsw

You haven't seen these nodes ever being how new you are and the level you're at. Watch this video and it will make more sense.

Maltyo9

@Justiciar which fight are you having a particular problem with? If it is a lower level in EQ, many of the people that could help you may have not encountered that particular fight yet. Some screenshots of that, as well as screenshots of your current roster will help us help you immensely

abn86

I’m not very good at this game, but neither am I completely inept. I can take on enemies ( unbuffed or unassisted) about 3-4K above my champs, and will win a few more than I lose. Most games involving tiered combat works that way as far as my experience goes. You strive to improve, gain experience by taking on higher levels and bosses. But this game uses a mechanic I don’t quite understand?
Why boost bosses way beyond the capability of the player?
For example, if I take my top lvl 3s and a few level 4s , all at around 2.7 - 3.5k , onto a quest , I’ve got a total of about 14k , and the quest recommends, say, 10k . I get in there, and 7 or 8 opponents lie ahead, all about 5k each. So, I battle my way through, use a revive and a few healing pots to get to the boss, and there I find an 8.5k boss glowing orange or purple.?
It doesn’t make any sense? If you then throw in the extremely punishing bleed, degenerate, incinerate etc… you’ve punished severely a player for doing better than their stats suggest, in effect it makes the boss unbeatable and the quest unfinishable.
Look, I know I’ll be accused of being a whiner and a whinge, I don’t care, I’m just genuinely baffled why make a game that is difficult enough to master….impossible to compete.?
Bosses that hard, at the end of a quest that was already extremely brutal is… well, ok, I’ll say it, unfair.
I don’t like easy games. I like my console games on survival or mental, and I love punishing games like the Souls trilogy, but this Marvel Coc is brutally unforgiving for those already trying to punch above their weight. The bosses do not need to be impossible, just difficult.

So, you can't compare this game to a console fighter. It's not, and it stops trying to be somewhere around act 4, I guess. This game rewards knowledge, but can be punishing until you gain that knowledge. It also places a premium on concepts like intercepting and evading attacks, and punishes you for things like blocked hits/attacks, or only understanding tap, tap, tap.

This game usually puts the rewards you want a level (or two) above you. This is the part you've kind of caught on to, but in order to get those rewards you need to do exactly as you said - strive to improve and gain experience by taking on higher levels/bosses. Failure is an innate part of this game and something that all of us accepts. Everyone has failed at a boss before. It forces you to get better. You mentioned that you love punishing games. Honestly, this game is what you say you want, you just have to learn more about it.

Before you ever waste any energy in a quest, make sure to check the node. You will either notice it as orange or purple if it's linked. Once you know the nodes, looks for counters. If you don't understand counters, you can literally go into YT and type in exactly what to do, or ask here.

Also, you may know this already, but if not, each champion has strengths/weaknesses. One of the things you shouldn't always concern yourself with is class disadvantage/advantage and it's the easiest way to really get lost in this game. Just because skill has a PI advantage over science doesn't mean Nick Fury is a good champ against Abomination.

TL;DR This game is nuanced and you need to understand it better. Know what champions can/can't do and the types of node interactions and you will be able to take on harder content.

DarkEternity

Hey! So, what you were talking about there are nodes. They are made to add an extra challenge like bleed, poison, rewards for knocking the opponent down, etc. You can view the nodes of opponents by tapping on them on the map. This allows you to then choose what champions to bring. For example, if you check your Doom’s champion abilities he is immune to armor break, shock, and can apply shock. Knowledge of these abilities will allow you to better plan for future nodes and abilities. For example, say there’s a node that inflicts shock damage. If you use your Doom then you’re able to be immune to this node and therefore be safe. If you don’t enjoy this style of play then more than likely this game isn’t for you. It will only get tougher and it can be quite challenging. Best of luck to you!

xNig

You might wanna work on the lower difficulty levels first to hone your skills, and gradually get used to tackling harder opponents.

Don’t worry. Like everything, it takes time. You’ll eventually be able to handle it, even with your current champs. Just takes some practice.

AMS94

The point of a boss being beyond your rating is to encourage you to rank up champions, come back stronger, bring different counters, learn a new skill etc.
Yep, in all games, the boss level is your ultimate test, I understand.
Here’s just one example of the extent it goes beyond just being very tough.
Yesterday I fought my way through one of the later levels on Heroic on the new quest line , my two best were 4star Doom and Tigra, backed with maxed 3* Widow (D.O) , stealth Spidey, and Nova. Battled through 4.5k -5k enemies, battered and bruised, and come up against a 10k Blade glowing orange. All 5 of my champs wiped out with barely a 5% loss on Blade.
To me, that’s beyond tough, it’s borderline stupidly unfair.

https://youtu.be/IuDMJLddhsw

You haven't seen these nodes ever being how new you are and the level you're at. Watch this video and it will make more sense.

I don't think Heroic blade has the same nodes as Cav one
I don't think Heroic level players have been introduced to Flux Dispersal & Life Cycle

Kerneas

There are couple things you need to understand:

1) as you learn more about the game mechanics, you will be able to kill opponents with higher score. Realistically, 2-3x your score is an average fight (so with 3k champion, you should eventually be able to solo-kill a 6-9k enemy).

2) those purple/orange things are called "nodes". They give the champion an extra ability and also increase their score. There are 3 types:
Orange - local node. It boosts a champion who stands on the map position
Purple - linked node. This one can be removed via defeating another champ on one of the paths (they are marked if you look at the maps closely. Thise who boost others have a purple symbol in their top right corner)
Grey - global node. This one affects each and every champion on the whole map. Of course, just like linked nodes it must have some source. There will be champs on the map with a grey globe in their top right corner

3) this game is a lot about strategy and planning. You told us about some bleed&degen. First off you need to read the champion's abilities and also the nodes he has in the quest. Then you can come up with a counter. Example: the boss has a node that says "inflict a bleed, dealing 100% of attacker's max hp over 60 seconds". What do you do? Yes, you take a bleed immune champion and the problem is solved (in this case you could take in Omega Red but let's not make it overly complicated)

4) boss - bosses have a higher score than other champions, that's true. But you also have all 5 of your champions to deal with that one. If you go in and take 20% of his hp with each of your champions, you win, because you can chip away the health with all your team members, one by one.

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LeNoirFaineant

“Rank up champs, go learn a new skill, come back stronger, learn a new counter”

The honest answer is they want you to spend money
The game is either a huge time waster or spend money to get through

And they want you to spend money or spend time
The more time played the better the game looks on paper
Reason for unnecessary animations or long wait times

So it in turns causes impatience and therefore spend to get through

Of course they want you to spend money or time. The game isn't free to make. But that's not why the game is hard for OP. They also want a challenging and fun game. If there weren't things to learn and obstacles to overcome the game would be boring and no one would play it.

gohard123

There is direct evidence that this game allows you to punch above your weight. Just look at the new side accounts started by YouTubers (e.g. Brian Grant, Lagacy, Seatin, KT1). These guys have played the game so they have the skill hence they can punch up. The only thing preventing you from punching up is the skill and experience.

BitterSteel

“Rank up champs, go learn a new skill, come back stronger, learn a new counter”

The honest answer is they want you to spend money
The game is either a huge time waster or spend money to get through

And they want you to spend money or spend time
The more time played the better the game looks on paper
Reason for unnecessary animations or long wait times

So it in turns causes impatience and therefore spend to get through

A company? Wanting to make money?

Blasphemy!

Demonzfyre

“Rank up champs, go learn a new skill, come back stronger, learn a new counter”

The honest answer is they want you to spend money
The game is either a huge time waster or spend money to get through

And they want you to spend money or spend time
The more time played the better the game looks on paper
Reason for unnecessary animations or long wait times

So it in turns causes impatience and therefore spend to get through

Top fan for Prof Hoff I assume?

DawsMan

“Rank up champs, go learn a new skill, come back stronger, learn a new counter”

The honest answer is they want you to spend money
The game is either a huge time waster or spend money to get through

And they want you to spend money or spend time
The more time played the better the game looks on paper
Reason for unnecessary animations or long wait times

So it in turns causes impatience and therefore spend to get through
Top fan for Prof Hoff I assume?

I betcha he's waiting for iHulk to clear 6.1 because he's immune to no retreat degen...

Malreck04

It was an alright post until you said you were a fan of the Souls games. Sorry, you really need to practice your basics in this game