How can Ronin be better then Elsa if Ronin is getting buffed

SkyLord7000

Hoitado

He already is better than her

Fluffy_paws

Kabam like Ronin better, so they decided to buff him so he's infinitely better than elsa because they got sick of the forum arguments?

FluffyPigMonster

Hoitado

Plus if Elsa is as all powerful as all of her simps say them she should never get a Value buff or any other buff

Jaded

Hoitado said:

Plus if Elsa is as all powerful as all of her simps say them she should never get a Value buff or any other buff

Who are these simpsons you speak of?

FluffyPigMonster

Jaded said:

Hoitado said:

Plus if Elsa is as all powerful as all of her simps say them she should never get a Value buff or any other buff

Who are these simpsons you speak of?

I love the Simpsons. Homer is hilarious!

BuggyDClown

There's a point

SkyLord7000

Fluffy_paws said:

Kabam like Ronin better, so they decided to buff him so he's infinitely better than elsa because they got sick of the forum arguments?

It’s more of a pity buff. They already know Elsa’s godlike strength so they wanted to give ronin a fraction of what Elsa already has. This is like the devs silently admitting she’s better.

SkyLord7000

Hoitado said:

Plus if Elsa is as all powerful as all of her simps say them she should never get a Value buff or any other buff

We can agree on something then. She’s way too OP for one

Kill_Grey

FluffyPigMonster said:

Jaded said:

Hoitado said:

Plus if Elsa is as all powerful as all of her simps say them she should never get a Value buff or any other buff

Who are these simpsons you speak of?

I love the Simpsons. Homer is hilarious!

Barney> 😜

Fluffy_paws

SkyLord7000 said:

Fluffy_paws said:

Kabam like Ronin better, so they decided to buff him so he's infinitely better than elsa because they got sick of the forum arguments?

It’s more of a pity buff. They already know Elsa’s godlike strength so they wanted to give ronin a fraction of what Elsa already has. This is like the devs silently admitting she’s better.

Well i guess we can agree to disagree

DawsMan

You could then argue that deadpool x force is better than bishop, iron patriot better than ultron, and Kamala Khan is better than pre buff angela with this logic. It's flawed.

SkyLord7000

DawsMan said:

You could then argue that deadpool x force is better than bishop, iron patriot better than ultron, and Kamala Khan is better than pre buff angela with this logic. It's flawed.

Difference is Elsa does not need a buff, and is a top 6 skill without one 😆

BitterSteel

Champions are not being buffed in order of how good they are. Which is why Howard the Duck got an overhaul before Iron man classic for example, or Angela got a tune up before annihulus for example, or crossbones got an update before MODOK for example.

Fluffy_paws

BitterSteel said:

Champions are not being buffed in order of how good they are. Which is why Howard the Duck got an overhaul before Iron man classic for example, or Angela got a tune up before annihulus for example, or crossbones got an update before MODOK for example.

I wonder how they decide. I bet they pick names out of a hat.
Maybe sometimes they accidentally put in some names that weren't meant to be there and forgot some that were

Wicket329

Fluffy_paws said:

BitterSteel said:

Champions are not being buffed in order of how good they are. Which is why Howard the Duck got an overhaul before Iron man classic for example, or Angela got a tune up before annihulus for example, or crossbones got an update before MODOK for example.

I wonder how they decide. I bet they pick names out of a hat.
Maybe sometimes they accidentally put in some names that weren't meant to be there and forgot some that were

Saw somebody else say on another thread that they’ve probably got a team that just brainstorms potential buffs in no particular order and when they hit on a good one it gets kicked up the chain of command. Makes as much sense as any other explanation.

DawsMan

SkyLord7000 said:

DawsMan said:

You could then argue that deadpool x force is better than bishop, iron patriot better than ultron, and Kamala Khan is better than pre buff angela with this logic. It's flawed.

Difference is Elsa does not need a buff, and is a top 6 skill without one 😆

No theres no difference. My comparison was objective, yours was a heavily biased opinoin.

SkyLord7000

DawsMan said:

SkyLord7000 said:

DawsMan said:

You could then argue that deadpool x force is better than bishop, iron patriot better than ultron, and Kamala Khan is better than pre buff angela with this logic. It's flawed.

Difference is Elsa does not need a buff, and is a top 6 skill without one 😆

No theres no difference. My comparison was objective, yours was a heavily biased opinoin.

Pretty sure everyone but trolls agree she doesn’t need a buff

SwarmOfRavens

SkyLord7000 said:

DawsMan said:

You could then argue that deadpool x force is better than bishop, iron patriot better than ultron, and Kamala Khan is better than pre buff angela with this logic. It's flawed.

Difference is Elsa does not need a buff, and is a top 6 skill without one 😆

Top 6 skill is very generous

DawsMan

SkyLord7000 said:

DawsMan said:

SkyLord7000 said:

DawsMan said:

You could then argue that deadpool x force is better than bishop, iron patriot better than ultron, and Kamala Khan is better than pre buff angela with this logic. It's flawed.

Difference is Elsa does not need a buff, and is a top 6 skill without one 😆

No theres no difference. My comparison was objective, yours was a heavily biased opinoin.

Pretty sure everyone but trolls agree she doesn’t need a buff

My argument is not that Elsa doesn't need a buff, my argument is that you can't say that she is better solely based on the fact that Ronin is getting a buff.

BitterSteel

SkyLord7000 said:

DawsMan said:

SkyLord7000 said:

DawsMan said:

You could then argue that deadpool x force is better than bishop, iron patriot better than ultron, and Kamala Khan is better than pre buff angela with this logic. It's flawed.

Difference is Elsa does not need a buff, and is a top 6 skill without one 😆

No theres no difference. My comparison was objective, yours was a heavily biased opinoin.

Pretty sure everyone but trolls agree she doesn’t need a buff

And most people would agree that Ronin doesn’t *need* a buff. He’s perfectly playable.

But he could get a little tweak that makes him more fun. And Elsa could get a little tweak that makes her more playable.

Buffed =/= bad champ

Buffed =/= worse champ

It’s bad logic when you look at the quality of champs that get buffed, it’s not consistently bad champs or in order.

Addictor

I’ve given up on saying good about Elsa cos the community esp ppl on the forum hate her. I’m eager to see her getting buff but ronin instead. I personally want Elsa to be buffed to become a real solid skill champ without being hated or overlooked. But it is what it is. She deserves a buff! I really want her damage to be better and she has at least bleed or incinerate immune.

DawsMan

Addictor said:

I’ve given up on saying good about Elsa cos the community esp ppl on the forum hate her. I’m eager to see her getting buff but ronin instead. I personally want Elsa to be buffed to become a real solid skill champ without being hated or overlooked. But it is what it is. She deserves a buff! I really want her damage to be better and she has at least bleed or incinerate immune.

The reason people don't like everyone hyping up elsa is because it's nothing new, it happens all the time. And when people criticize that and point out elsas flaws the lovers just fight tooth and nail for her leading to overhype.

The_Sentry06

THIS IS AMAZING LOGIK

MrInsanity

SkyLord7000 said:

Fluffy_paws said:

Kabam like Ronin better, so they decided to buff him so he's infinitely better than elsa because they got sick of the forum arguments?

It’s more of a pity buff. They already know Elsa’s godlike strength so they wanted to give ronin a fraction of what Elsa already has. This is like the devs silently admitting she’s better.

Me trying to convince my teacher to round my 73 to a 90

SkyLord7000

BitterSteel said:

SkyLord7000 said:

DawsMan said:

SkyLord7000 said:

DawsMan said:

You could then argue that deadpool x force is better than bishop, iron patriot better than ultron, and Kamala Khan is better than pre buff angela with this logic. It's flawed.

Difference is Elsa does not need a buff, and is a top 6 skill without one 😆

No theres no difference. My comparison was objective, yours was a heavily biased opinoin.

Pretty sure everyone but trolls agree she doesn’t need a buff

And most people would agree that Ronin doesn’t *need* a buff. He’s perfectly playable.

But he could get a little tweak that makes him more fun. And Elsa could get a little tweak that makes her more playable.

Buffed =/= bad champ

Buffed =/= worse champ

It’s bad logic when you look at the quality of champs that get buffed, it’s not consistently bad champs or in order.

The problem with this is most (if not all) champs getting buffed are the bottom 50%. Doesn’t mean they are bad just not great. Seeing as Elsa is at least above this threshold in most people’s eyes she shouldn’t get a buff.

Djin

This Elsa debate is not going to end anytime soon.
And with Ronin buff next month we'll be having a lot more threads on this......
I'm already bored of this. Get another champ to degrade.....

Crcrcrc

SkyLord7000 said:

Fluffy_paws said:

Kabam like Ronin better, so they decided to buff him so he's infinitely better than elsa because they got sick of the forum arguments?

It’s more of a pity buff. They already know Elsa’s godlike strength so they wanted to give ronin a fraction of what Elsa already has. This is like the devs silently admitting she’s better.

Hopefully you find the time to get a mental buff. It might make your opinions better lol

Seraphion

Your argument falls apart if you remember that Torch got buffed 🙃

Agent_X_zzz

Wow this is a horrible argument, one of the worst I have seen. For example Ronin is getting buffed, and rhino is not are you saying rhino is better then ronin?