How can Ronin be better then Elsa if Ronin is getting buffed

SkyLord7000

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Masterpuff

Well this argument is rubbish.

Hoitado

You could then argue that deadpool x force is better than bishop, iron patriot better than ultron, and Kamala Khan is better than pre buff angela with this logic. It's flawed.
Difference is Elsa does not need a buff, and is a top 6 skill without one 😆

Nick
Aegon
Shang Chi
Falcon
Mole Man
Crossbones
Kingpin
Jabari
Hit Monkey
Stealthy

They are all better. Btw this is in no particular order it’s just the top 10 skill

Masterpuff

You could then argue that deadpool x force is better than bishop, iron patriot better than ultron, and Kamala Khan is better than pre buff angela with this logic. It's flawed.
Difference is Elsa does not need a buff, and is a top 6 skill without one 😆

Nick
Aegon
Shang Chi
Falcon
Mole Man
Crossbones
Kingpin
Jabari
Hit Monkey
Stealthy
Ronin
They are all better. Btw this is in no particular order it’s just the top 10 skill

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Jaded

You could then argue that deadpool x force is better than bishop, iron patriot better than ultron, and Kamala Khan is better than pre buff angela with this logic. It's flawed.
Difference is Elsa does not need a buff, and is a top 6 skill without one 😆

Nick/Elsa
Aegon/Elsa
Shang Chi/Elsa
Falcon/elsa
Mole Man/elsa
Crossbones/elsa
Kingpin/elsa
Jabari/elsa
Hit Monkey/elsa
Stealthy/elsa
Ronin/elsa
Elsa/elsa
They are all better. Btw this is in no particular order it’s just the top 10 skill
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The_Sentry06

You could then argue that deadpool x force is better than bishop, iron patriot better than ultron, and Kamala Khan is better than pre buff angela with this logic. It's flawed.
Difference is Elsa does not need a buff, and is a top 6 skill without one 😆

Nick/Elsa
Aegon/Elsa
Shang Chi/Elsa
Falcon/elsa
Mole Man/elsa
Crossbones/elsa
Kingpin/elsa
Jabari/elsa
Hit Monkey/elsa
Stealthy/elsa
Ronin/elsa
Elsa/elsa
They are all better. Btw this is in no particular order it’s just the top 10 skill
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Agree with this list

GoddessIlias

Because elsa is a synergy champ for op god beast and ronin doesn’t even have synergies to make him worth a team slot gg

Negative_100

Wow this is a horrible argument, one of the worst I have seen. For example Ronin is getting buffed, and rhino is not are you saying rhino is better then ronin?

True. Also It's possible that kabam is buffing him even though he is already good.

SkyLord7000

Your argument falls apart if you remember that Torch got buffed 🙃

Torch wasn’t great on release though

SkyLord7000

Nick
Aegon
Shang Chi
Falcon
Mole Man
\
Elsa Bloodstone
/
Crossbones
Kingpin
Jabari
Hit Monkey
Stealthy

Fits perfectly

SwarmOfRavens

Nick
Aegon
Shang Chi
Falcon
Mole Man
\
Elsa Bloodstone
/
Crossbones
Kingpin
Jabari
Hit Monkey
Stealthy

Fits perfectly

This is why people call her overrated...

SkyLord7000

Nick
Aegon
Shang Chi
Falcon
Mole Man
\
Elsa Bloodstone
/
Crossbones
Kingpin
Jabari
Hit Monkey
Stealthy

Fits perfectly

This is why people call her overrated...

This is why people call her underrated

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SwarmOfRavens

Nick
Aegon
Shang Chi
Falcon
Mole Man
\
Elsa Bloodstone
/
Crossbones
Kingpin
Jabari
Hit Monkey
Stealthy

Fits perfectly

This is why people call her overrated...
This is why I call her underrated

Because people don't want to pretend she's better than she actually is?
She's a good champ but not as good as any of the ones you've rated her above

Marvel2289

As several other people have already pointed out, this argument is devoid of logic, just because x champion is getting buffed doesn't mean they are worse than y champion. Champions get buffed all the time despite having a list of even worse Champions that don't get buffed

DawsMan

Nick
Aegon
Shang Chi
Falcon
Mole Man
\
Elsa Bloodstone
/
Crossbones
Kingpin
Jabari
Hit Monkey
Stealthy

Fits perfectly

This is why the forums hate Elsa

Because a few loud, misguided players overrate her to this degree. She’s a fun champ, I’ve got her at rank 2, she’s decent and she can do a lot. But there’s not a chance in hell she’s better than the champs that a few people blind to reality say she is.
And why tf cant you just let people have that opinion?

Why isn't bittersteel allowed an opinion, oh right, because what he said is straight facts. Elsa is good, yes thats fine! BUT lots of people, like bittersteel is saying, are shoving the notion that Elsa is one of the top 5 skill champs down everyone's throats. You may be able to argue it's an opinion but it comes up way too often, and the issue is that she is being overhyped. Then once that fact has been spoken, the Elsa lovers (skyguy) hop on and say oh no she's underrated which is just blatantly to oppose the comment and not being constructive.

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Ercarret

I like Elsa and plan on r2'ing my 6* soon, but I don't think this logic holds too much water. The champions have not in any way been buffed in accordance with how good or bad they were initially. Rather, Kabam seems to have taken the opportunity to buff some perfectly decent or downright champions, making them really good instead.

I don't have any experience with Ronin so I can't say if he is better or worse or about equal to Elsa pre-buff. It's perfectly possible that they don't really bump up his damage or utility but only make him easier to use, kind of like they did with Masacre. While he got a damage bump as well, I think most can agree that the most valuable update was to his playability.

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pseudosane

That means classic Ironman is the best in tech class, by this logic.

SkyLord7000

Nick
Aegon
Shang Chi
Falcon
Mole Man
\
Elsa Bloodstone
/
Crossbones
Kingpin
Jabari
Hit Monkey
Stealthy

Fits perfectly

This is why the forums hate Elsa

Because a few loud, misguided players overrate her to this degree. She’s a fun champ, I’ve got her at rank 2, she’s decent and she can do a lot. But there’s not a chance in hell she’s better than the champs that a few people blind to reality say she is.
And why tf cant you just let people have that opinion?
Why isn't bittersteel allowed an opinion, oh right, because what he said is straight facts. Elsa is good, yes thats fine! BUT lots of people, like bittersteel is saying, are shoving the notion that Elsa is one of the top 5 skill champs down everyone's throats. You may be able to argue it's an opinion but it comes up way too often, and the issue is that she is being overhyped. Then once that fact has been spoken, the Elsa lovers (skyguy) hop on and say oh no she's underrated which is just blatantly to oppose the comment and not being constructive.

Everyone’s allowed to have an opinion, the forums aren’t China lol.

I see it the other way. I’m trying to be constructive and my opinion gets shut down by people who probably looked at a couple minutes of Elsa footage. I don’t see why we can’t have a civil debate about the topic.

SkyLord7000

As several other people have already pointed out, this argument is devoid of logic, just because x champion is getting buffed doesn't mean they are worse than y champion. Champions get buffed all the time despite having a list of even worse Champions that don't get buffed

That means classic Ironman is the best in tech class, by this logic.

The problem with this is most (if not all) champs getting buffed are the bottom 50%. Doesn’t mean they are bad just not great. Seeing as Elsa is at least above this threshold in most people’s eyes she shouldn’t get a buff.

Jaded

Elsa is a lot of fun to use, I enjoy using her as a character in the game. If I had a 6* version of her and she was duped I’d happily take her to rank 3. Probably after Nick fury (which I have at rank 3 already). But alas I don’t have a 6* Elsa.

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pseudosane

Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder.

MaxGaming

Guys let's be honest OG blackwidow is better than both of them

DawsMan

Nick
Aegon
Shang Chi
Falcon
Mole Man
\
Elsa Bloodstone
/
Crossbones
Kingpin
Jabari
Hit Monkey
Stealthy

Fits perfectly

This is why the forums hate Elsa

Because a few loud, misguided players overrate her to this degree. She’s a fun champ, I’ve got her at rank 2, she’s decent and she can do a lot. But there’s not a chance in hell she’s better than the champs that a few people blind to reality say she is.
And why tf cant you just let people have that opinion?
Why isn't bittersteel allowed an opinion, oh right, because what he said is straight facts. Elsa is good, yes thats fine! BUT lots of people, like bittersteel is saying, are shoving the notion that Elsa is one of the top 5 skill champs down everyone's throats. You may be able to argue it's an opinion but it comes up way too often, and the issue is that she is being overhyped. Then once that fact has been spoken, the Elsa lovers (skyguy) hop on and say oh no she's underrated which is just blatantly to oppose the comment and not being constructive.
I see people like you guys complain about the so called simps way more then i see actual "simps" its just getting ridiculous. Elsa is a great champ. As someone with a r3 do i have her in the top 5? No but she certainly isnt fsr behind lots of them imo. Do you need to feel the same? No
Should you feel the need to tell everyone who thinks otherwise that they are wrong everytime? No.. its repetitive and annoying af how this non issue gets spammed all over

Ok so I'm going to assume you're reading comprehension isn't up to par because a lot of your points were similar to mine, my point was to not be a hypocrit and objectively Elsa isn't as great as people say.

DawsMan

Lol hit monkey is NOT better than elsa. Yeah he's got debuff shrugging and crit bleeds but that doesnt make up for his low hp and block proficiency. Stealthy can have an argument made for him because of his double mediums making it easier to intercept

-Someone who can't intercept

Negative_100

Lol hit monkey is NOT better than elsa. Yeah he's got debuff shrugging and crit bleeds but that doesnt make up for his low hp and block proficiency. Stealthy can have an argument made for him because of his double mediums making it easier to intercept
-Someone who can't intercept

Yeah. It's not too hard to intercept too. So learn how to interpret @Faseeh. Then you will know that they are better that Elsa.

Masterpuff

Having seen a Ronin buff floating around that seems to be true, i can objectively say he is better than Elsa.