Help me understand the complains

Hey guys, I'm from Peru, so my mates on my Ali and Facebook, telegram or asmny social network are pretty much Latin American people.

Also on this forum I read people from everywhere and they all complaining about SoP.

This week most people say that it's just too restrictive, too hard and so on.

These complains come from cavalier players and I just don't understand why are they making such a big deal.

It was stated from the very first annowthat summer of pain was going to be a pain in the a$$, a unit spend quest. So far the three fights we had were actually skill based and yes TB players probably show off solos of these fights using R3 champs, but then again, no one is forced to solo eveey single fight.

I'm TB and I solo all the fights so far, probably I'll keep doing it, but a friend of mine is cavalier and he actually completed this fights using a couple of revives and boosts, THAT'S IT.

As I see this quest, so far, there's no need to complain or nerf any aspect, cavalier players just need to remember when they bet the collector using as many revives and boosts as needed.

So that's my opinion, maybe I'm wrong.

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Sundance_2099

Old saying: Some people are never happy.

Other old saying: Some people are never happier than when they're complaining.

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Lvernon15

Yeah, I don’t know why they’re complaining either, cavs could’ve very easily been not allowed into this, the content isn’t tuned for cav players, it’s a bonus for them that they’re allowed in

Ercarret

I think that the complaints can sometimes go overboard, into the "NERF THE BOSS" territory. However, when people just have opinions regarding the content, I think it's perfectly fine.

In fact, it's actually a little annoying when they're screamed down by people who solo the fights on day 1. There's ample room for debate regarding the nodes and whether they make the fights fun as well as challenging, while still keeping in mind that they are supposed to be some of the most brutal fights in the game. The insane rewards wouldn't be justified for anything less than that, after all.

I have personal opinions about all three fights, having enjoyed the first the most (just a well-crafted fight) and the second the least (I found the node combination rather annoying, even if it somehow still ended up being the easiest for me). The latest was a fun way to learn how to play my newly-ranked-up Immortal Abomination, even if I really dislike nodes that reduces your damage to near-unusable levels unless you meet certain criteria.

I'm personally really proud to have gotten all three down. It's a huge milestone for me. I generally don't do this type of true endgame content, and especially not when under such time constraints. I suspect that the later fights and objectives will turn out to be too much for me, but until then I'll try to enjoy what I can and give feedback on the fights if I have any.

Wicket329

I think that the complaints can sometimes go overboard, into the "NERF THE BOSS" territory. However, when people just have opinions regarding the content, I think it's perfectly fine.

In fact, it's actually a little annoying when they're screamed down by people who solo the fights on day 1. There's ample room for debate regarding the nodes and whether they make the fights fun as well as challenging, while still keeping in mind that they are supposed to be some of the most brutal fights in the game. The insane rewards wouldn't be justified for anything less than that, after all.

I have personal opinions about all three fights, having enjoyed the first the most (just a well-crafted fight) and the second the least (I found the node combination rather annoying, even if it somehow still ended up being the easiest for me). The latest was a fun way to learn how to play my newly-ranked-up Immortal Abomination, even if I really dislike nodes that reduces your damage to near-unusable levels unless you meet certain criteria.

I'm personally really proud to have gotten all three down. It's a huge milestone for me. I generally don't do this type of true endgame content, and especially not when under such time constraints. I suspect that the later fights and objectives will turn out to be too much for me, but until then I'll try to enjoy what I can and give feedback on the fights if I have any.

This is a totally legitimate perspective. Constructive feedback on content is absolutely welcome. There are definitely conversations that can be had regarding things like swapping out one node for another to tweak the fight, and that would be both constructive and fun.

It’s the “ThIs Is ImPoSsIbLe” crowd that rubs me the wrong way, especially when they are posting that within hours of the content’s release.

I’ve been guilty of that, I said similar things about Carina’s Challenges when they were announced, and I was definitely wrong to do so. But I’ve learned from it and I hope those loudly calling for a nerf to this content learn the same lesson.

TrashyPanda

Disgruntled people tend to be more vocal than those who are content.

TrashyPanda

edit: crappy ISP-induced double-post

Lvernon15

Disgruntled people tend to be more vocal than those who are content.

Yeah, the complainers are a small subsection of the cav community, but by the amount they talk about it they appear as the majority

Hoitado

I would’ve been fine with this fight in SoP if it weren’t classified as a “Warm-Up” Fight

Wicket329

I would’ve been fine with this fight in SoP if it weren’t classified as a “Warm-Up” Fight

Upon closer inspection of the announcement, the only reason it’s considered a warm-up is because it does not have an objective associated with it.

So what that translates to is… hold onto your butts for the next six weeks.

FiiNCH

Wouldn’t be surprised if we see a version of 6.2.5 Mordo soon - then the real crying will start

Wicket329

Wouldn’t be surprised if we see a version of 6.2.5 Mordo soon - then the real crying will start

Eh, I don’t think they’ll go back to that one. Do Not Go Gentle is solved with a single revive and Strength in Numbers is irrelevant for a single champion challenge. Also, they just used that quest for a Carina’s Challenge. Those were the primary challenges for him, as I recall.

It’s possible, but I think they’ll look elsewhere for inspiration.

FiiNCH

Wouldn’t be surprised if we see a version of 6.2.5 Mordo soon - then the real crying will start
Eh, I don’t think they’ll go back to that one. Do Not Go Gentle is solved with a single revive and Strength in Numbers is irrelevant for a single champion challenge. Also, they just used that quest for a Carina’s Challenge. Those were the primary challenges for him, as I recall.

It’s possible, but I think they’ll look elsewhere for inspiration.

Yeah they’re all good points - perhaps that means we won’t see the champion fight in SOP either

Wicket329

Wouldn’t be surprised if we see a version of 6.2.5 Mordo soon - then the real crying will start
Eh, I don’t think they’ll go back to that one. Do Not Go Gentle is solved with a single revive and Strength in Numbers is irrelevant for a single champion challenge. Also, they just used that quest for a Carina’s Challenge. Those were the primary challenges for him, as I recall.

It’s possible, but I think they’ll look elsewhere for inspiration.
Yeah they’re all good points - perhaps that means we won’t see the champion fight in SOP either

If we see the Champion, it’ll specifically be the No Retreat variant of him since that is different from what the Challenges have us doing.

Besides an Emma Frost and Venom, I really don’t know who I’d expect. Maybe one of the V1 Ultron bosses with limited counters? I remember those guys giving me fits back at the time.

GinjabredMonsta

Wouldn’t be surprised if we see a version of 6.2.5 Mordo soon - then the real crying will start

If they do that, I'm coming for you

StevieManWonder

Because they are scrubs who want everything handed to them a silver platter. This content is supposed to be hard. This Mysterio kicked my butt (I had use 5/65 Claire and a few revives because I was both playing sloppy and didn't have good counter) and I have a pretty darn expansive roster.

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Mattstafari

I think because it's only 1 fight, it makes it very tantalising.
We see the rewards and feel like it's within reach, reality can be painful sometimes but, we all have to face it now and then.

For the record, I haven't beaten him yet and I'm cav, pretty average player.

xNig

To OP,

Because complaining on the forums about fights being impossible and overtuned and hard and tedious and niche, is more emotionally acceptable than admitting they’re not as skilled as they thought they are.

GNASTY

Man I had the dang solo in my hand using Apoc and slipped up literally right before getting him into assassins range. At that point I said whatever and ate a rev to finish him off lol. I can live with that.

SirGamesBond

When the going gets tough, the tough get going...

Fluffy_paws

Some people just like to complain. You can't please everyone ever.

I work in retail. People complain about ANYTHING and EVERYTHING.
*customer banging on our locked door*
"Sorry I can't let you in, it's 23:05 we're closed"
"But I need milk"
"You've had from 6am till 11pm to come get milk"
"But I didn't need it then, I need it now, let me in"
"No"
"I want to speak to your manager, this isn't fair"

Some people also just think they're entitled to the rewards bc they want them, therefore they should be easy to get.

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DNA3000

The issue is, many of the players completed the nerfed 6.1, and have seen repeatedly in the past from kabam, if they kick, scream and cry enough, they'll nerf it.

They must be misremembering, because nerfing content just because players complain about it is actually very uncommon. Usually when they nerf content it is for a reason that goes beyond players just complaining about it, generally some data-driven reason or some obvious miss in the original intent of the content design.

Negative_100

These complains come from cavalier players.

I'm cav and I'm not complaining. I tell the complainers to git gud.