Havok counter on spite node?

LordPSN

Normally I bring Warlock or Guilly 2099 to counter Havok plasma detonation.
But being on spite node, permanent armour of Warlock and Guilly would grant power to Havok.
So how to tackle him?

Iron_Patriot_is_lit

Unit man.

TheBair123

Havok

TheInfinty

Cyclops

Bugmat78

AW or EQ? in AW play perfectly with warlock and use an invulnerability boost so yo can take 3 sp3s.

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SirGamesBond

Is it the last variant?
Used HB with sp2 power drains..
There will be a lot of baiting but it's not that bad.

Agent_X_zzz

G2099 use sp1 to power drain.

LordPSN

Sorry. Forget to mention its AW

Jaded

I take this node every war. Havok is the hardest defender on that node but g99 with advanced power boost takes him out easily. Guardian can also do it with light ending combos.

Edit: AA can also take this node but it’s rng dependent.

Mobile_P0tat0

An awakened doctor octopus. When he's awakened his power lock changes to a power drain effect keeping plasmas low. It is also extremely effective against passive power gain as the debuff will come back immediately after you heavy

Will3808

I personally would use havok since he doesn’t have buffs and won’t take damage from plasma detonation. The problem is I don’t know who else is on your lane and therefore havok might not be your best choice to bring.

danielmath

Corvus is who i’d use

SwarmOfRavens

The answer is still g99.
use both prefights to get rid of armour and power drain on mediums and sp1 to manage plasma.

Zahid

I take that fight pretty often in war with Ghost. Stick a power boost and a tech power back boost and the fight is over very quickly. Can put an indestructible boost if you're not feeling confident but it's not really needed at all. Have taken multiple rank 3 Havok's there with her and never had a problem

Jaded

SwarmOfRavens said:

The answer is still g99.
use both prefights to get rid of armour and power drain on mediums and sp1 to manage plasma.

If you use both pre fight options the sp1 doesn’t drain.

SwarmOfRavens

Jaded said:

SwarmOfRavens said:

The answer is still g99.
use both prefights to get rid of armour and power drain on mediums and sp1 to manage plasma.

If you use both pre fight options the sp1 doesn’t drain.

Then use mediums, 1 medium resets hits charges to zero. Plasma should be a non issue

Jaded

SwarmOfRavens said:

Jaded said:

SwarmOfRavens said:

The answer is still g99.
use both prefights to get rid of armour and power drain on mediums and sp1 to manage plasma.

If you use both pre fight options the sp1 doesn’t drain.

Then use mediums, 1 medium resets hits charges to zero. Plasma should be a non issue

It will detonate on her without her armor up. I’ve done this fight countless times with a few different options. She needs the armor up to protect herself from his plasmas detonating.

Also, you’re trying to get her to do a sp3 finish in war so she can use her power drain pre fight. That’s probably not going to happen.

Bigdogbob

Vision. Longer fight but still pretty easy.

SwarmOfRavens

Jaded said:

SwarmOfRavens said:

Jaded said:

SwarmOfRavens said:

The answer is still g99.
use both prefights to get rid of armour and power drain on mediums and sp1 to manage plasma.

If you use both pre fight options the sp1 doesn’t drain.

Then use mediums, 1 medium resets hits charges to zero. Plasma should be a non issue

It will detonate on her without her armor up. I’ve done this fight countless times with a few different options. She needs the armor up to protect herself from his plasmas detonating.

Also, you’re trying to get her to do a sp3 finish in war so she can use her power drain pre fight. That’s probably not going to happen.

If you're getting detonations with the power drain prefight it's entirely on you. You drain him at the start AND end of every combo, he'd have to generate 10+ plasma between every combo to even start stacking plasma on you.

I take steady build up unblockable with crumbling armour in war and the only time I've ever gotten a single plasma on me using power drain prefight is when havok has suicides. And getting a sp3 finish is entirely dependent on who's placed earlier on, I have to frequently take apoc bosses and don't find getting a soul beforehand difficult. Whether or not OP can get one is for him to decide

Jaded

SwarmOfRavens said:

Jaded said:

SwarmOfRavens said:

Jaded said:

SwarmOfRavens said:

The answer is still g99.
use both prefights to get rid of armour and power drain on mediums and sp1 to manage plasma.

If you use both pre fight options the sp1 doesn’t drain.

Then use mediums, 1 medium resets hits charges to zero. Plasma should be a non issue

It will detonate on her without her armor up. I’ve done this fight countless times with a few different options. She needs the armor up to protect herself from his plasmas detonating.

Also, you’re trying to get her to do a sp3 finish in war so she can use her power drain pre fight. That’s probably not going to happen.

If you're getting detonations with the power drain prefight it's entirely on you. You drain him at the start AND end of every combo, he'd have to generate 10+ plasma between every combo to even start stacking plasma on you.

I take steady build up unblockable with crumbling armour in war and the only time I've ever gotten a single plasma on me using power drain prefight is when havok has suicides. And getting a sp3 finish is entirely dependent on who's placed earlier on, I have to frequently take apoc bosses and don't find getting a soul beforehand difficult. Whether or not OP can get one is for him to decide

That’s what I said but the long winded version. There’s no reason to use her pre fight abilities, she can power drain more effectively with the sp1. Thus without the power drain pre fight she needs the armor up to protect her from the plasmas detention.

SwarmOfRavens

Jaded said:

SwarmOfRavens said:

Jaded said:

SwarmOfRavens said:

Jaded said:

SwarmOfRavens said:

The answer is still g99.
use both prefights to get rid of armour and power drain on mediums and sp1 to manage plasma.

If you use both pre fight options the sp1 doesn’t drain.

Then use mediums, 1 medium resets hits charges to zero. Plasma should be a non issue

It will detonate on her without her armor up. I’ve done this fight countless times with a few different options. She needs the armor up to protect herself from his plasmas detonating.

Also, you’re trying to get her to do a sp3 finish in war so she can use her power drain pre fight. That’s probably not going to happen.

If you're getting detonations with the power drain prefight it's entirely on you. You drain him at the start AND end of every combo, he'd have to generate 10+ plasma between every combo to even start stacking plasma on you.

I take steady build up unblockable with crumbling armour in war and the only time I've ever gotten a single plasma on me using power drain prefight is when havok has suicides. And getting a sp3 finish is entirely dependent on who's placed earlier on, I have to frequently take apoc bosses and don't find getting a soul beforehand difficult. Whether or not OP can get one is for him to decide

That’s what I said but the long winded version. There’s no reason to use her pre fight abilities, she can power drain more effectively with the sp1. Thus without the power drain pre fight she needs the armor up to protect her from the plasmas detention.

We haven't said the same thing at all?
Im saying he should use both prefights, he doesn't need to power drain at sp1 efficiency since he doesn't have an armour triggering spite.
There's no reason to keep the armour if you can reset his plasma literally every combo

Jaded

SwarmOfRavens said:

Jaded said:

SwarmOfRavens said:

Jaded said:

SwarmOfRavens said:

Jaded said:

SwarmOfRavens said:

The answer is still g99.
use both prefights to get rid of armour and power drain on mediums and sp1 to manage plasma.

If you use both pre fight options the sp1 doesn’t drain.

Then use mediums, 1 medium resets hits charges to zero. Plasma should be a non issue

It will detonate on her without her armor up. I’ve done this fight countless times with a few different options. She needs the armor up to protect herself from his plasmas detonating.

Also, you’re trying to get her to do a sp3 finish in war so she can use her power drain pre fight. That’s probably not going to happen.

If you're getting detonations with the power drain prefight it's entirely on you. You drain him at the start AND end of every combo, he'd have to generate 10+ plasma between every combo to even start stacking plasma on you.

I take steady build up unblockable with crumbling armour in war and the only time I've ever gotten a single plasma on me using power drain prefight is when havok has suicides. And getting a sp3 finish is entirely dependent on who's placed earlier on, I have to frequently take apoc bosses and don't find getting a soul beforehand difficult. Whether or not OP can get one is for him to decide

That’s what I said but the long winded version. There’s no reason to use her pre fight abilities, she can power drain more effectively with the sp1. Thus without the power drain pre fight she needs the armor up to protect her from the plasmas detention.

We haven't said the same thing at all?
Im saying he should use both prefights, he doesn't need to power drain at sp1 efficiency since he doesn't have an armour triggering spite.
There's no reason to keep the armour if you can reset his plasma literally every combo

But you can’t, he has power gain in his kit and the node has power gain similar to kenetic transference. You don’t do the fight but argue with those that do. We are saying the same thing but disagree on which method is better. G99 no prefight abilities, spam sp1 easy fight. You’re adding in extra elements like gaining a digi soul to use her power drain ability. It’s not necessary, but please tell me more of how to use g99 and do that fight. When I’ve taken that fight for the better part of the last 6 months and have had g99 ranked up as a 6* r3 since abyss was released…

SwarmOfRavens

Jaded said:

SwarmOfRavens said:

Jaded said:

SwarmOfRavens said:

Jaded said:

SwarmOfRavens said:

Jaded said:

SwarmOfRavens said:

The answer is still g99.
use both prefights to get rid of armour and power drain on mediums and sp1 to manage plasma.

If you use both pre fight options the sp1 doesn’t drain.

Then use mediums, 1 medium resets hits charges to zero. Plasma should be a non issue

It will detonate on her without her armor up. I’ve done this fight countless times with a few different options. She needs the armor up to protect herself from his plasmas detonating.

Also, you’re trying to get her to do a sp3 finish in war so she can use her power drain pre fight. That’s probably not going to happen.

If you're getting detonations with the power drain prefight it's entirely on you. You drain him at the start AND end of every combo, he'd have to generate 10+ plasma between every combo to even start stacking plasma on you.

I take steady build up unblockable with crumbling armour in war and the only time I've ever gotten a single plasma on me using power drain prefight is when havok has suicides. And getting a sp3 finish is entirely dependent on who's placed earlier on, I have to frequently take apoc bosses and don't find getting a soul beforehand difficult. Whether or not OP can get one is for him to decide

That’s what I said but the long winded version. There’s no reason to use her pre fight abilities, she can power drain more effectively with the sp1. Thus without the power drain pre fight she needs the armor up to protect her from the plasmas detention.

We haven't said the same thing at all?
Im saying he should use both prefights, he doesn't need to power drain at sp1 efficiency since he doesn't have an armour triggering spite.
There's no reason to keep the armour if you can reset his plasma literally every combo

But you can’t, he has power gain in his kit and the node has power gain similar to kenetic transference. You don’t do the fight but argue with those that do. We are saying the same thing but disagree on which method is better. G99 no prefight abilities, spam sp1 easy fight. You’re adding in extra elements like gaining a digi soul to use her power drain ability. It’s not necessary, but please tell me more of how to use g99 and do that fight. When I’ve taken that fight for the better part of the last 6 months and have had g99 ranked up as a 6* r3 since abyss was released…

Good job assuming I haven't taken the fight, I wouldn't be suggesting counters to it at all if I didn't have experience doing the fight.

The point I've made is instead of going though the trouble of dancing round spite the entire fight you could ignore it by using prefights.
Rise to power doesn't come into play if you're not spamming sp1 and knocking him down which you don't need to if you're not trying to manage spite.

Me "adding elements" is to make the fight as ridiculously easy as possible. Like I said earlier whether or not OP can get a soul is up to him, doing so isn't difficult and taking a fight with 100 combo Vs without is a day and night difference.
Having a r3 g99 since abyss released doesn't give your words any more weight, i lucked my way into the same situation so I don't see the point it's meant prove

Both methods are viable and the only reason I even continued responding was your claim she would detonate without an armour up buff which isn't true. OP can decide how he wants to go about it

Jaded

SwarmOfRavens said:

Jaded said:

SwarmOfRavens said:

Jaded said:

SwarmOfRavens said:

Jaded said:

SwarmOfRavens said:

Jaded said:

SwarmOfRavens said:

The answer is still g99.
use both prefights to get rid of armour and power drain on mediums and sp1 to manage plasma.

If you use both pre fight options the sp1 doesn’t drain.

Then use mediums, 1 medium resets hits charges to zero. Plasma should be a non issue

It will detonate on her without her armor up. I’ve done this fight countless times with a few different options. She needs the armor up to protect herself from his plasmas detonating.

Also, you’re trying to get her to do a sp3 finish in war so she can use her power drain pre fight. That’s probably not going to happen.

If you're getting detonations with the power drain prefight it's entirely on you. You drain him at the start AND end of every combo, he'd have to generate 10+ plasma between every combo to even start stacking plasma on you.

I take steady build up unblockable with crumbling armour in war and the only time I've ever gotten a single plasma on me using power drain prefight is when havok has suicides. And getting a sp3 finish is entirely dependent on who's placed earlier on, I have to frequently take apoc bosses and don't find getting a soul beforehand difficult. Whether or not OP can get one is for him to decide

That’s what I said but the long winded version. There’s no reason to use her pre fight abilities, she can power drain more effectively with the sp1. Thus without the power drain pre fight she needs the armor up to protect her from the plasmas detention.

We haven't said the same thing at all?
Im saying he should use both prefights, he doesn't need to power drain at sp1 efficiency since he doesn't have an armour triggering spite.
There's no reason to keep the armour if you can reset his plasma literally every combo

But you can’t, he has power gain in his kit and the node has power gain similar to kenetic transference. You don’t do the fight but argue with those that do. We are saying the same thing but disagree on which method is better. G99 no prefight abilities, spam sp1 easy fight. You’re adding in extra elements like gaining a digi soul to use her power drain ability. It’s not necessary, but please tell me more of how to use g99 and do that fight. When I’ve taken that fight for the better part of the last 6 months and have had g99 ranked up as a 6* r3 since abyss was released…

Good job assuming I haven't taken the fight, I wouldn't be suggesting counters to it at all if I didn't have experience doing the fight.

The point I've made is instead of going though the trouble of dancing round spite the entire fight you could ignore it by using prefights.
Rise to power doesn't come into play if you're not spamming sp1 and knocking him down which you don't need to if you're not trying to manage spite.

Me "adding elements" is to make the fight as ridiculously easy as possible. Like I said earlier whether or not OP can get a soul is up to him, doing so isn't difficult and taking a fight with 100 combo Vs without is a day and night difference.
Having a r3 g99 since abyss released doesn't give your words any more weight, i lucked my way into the same situation so I don't see the point it's meant prove

Both methods are viable and the only reason I even continued responding was your claim she would detonate without an armour up buff which isn't true. OP can decide how he wants to go about it

But through it all you missed the fact that he would detonate because of the power gain from the node. They changed it this season, it use to be power from afar but now it’s more like kenetic transference. Havok would build enough power to make it important to have an armor up. I’m not assuming anything, the node has clearly changed since you took it, while I’m still on it. I never said you haven’t taken. One combo into g99’s block and havok will be over a bar of power.

StevieManWonder

Use Havok. He’s who I use to counter pretty much every Havok in the game

SwarmOfRavens

Jaded said:

SwarmOfRavens said:

Jaded said:

SwarmOfRavens said:

Jaded said:

SwarmOfRavens said:

Jaded said:

SwarmOfRavens said:

Jaded said:

SwarmOfRavens said:

The answer is still g99.
use both prefights to get rid of armour and power drain on mediums and sp1 to manage plasma.

If you use both pre fight options the sp1 doesn’t drain.

Then use mediums, 1 medium resets hits charges to zero. Plasma should be a non issue

It will detonate on her without her armor up. I’ve done this fight countless times with a few different options. She needs the armor up to protect herself from his plasmas detonating.

Also, you’re trying to get her to do a sp3 finish in war so she can use her power drain pre fight. That’s probably not going to happen.

If you're getting detonations with the power drain prefight it's entirely on you. You drain him at the start AND end of every combo, he'd have to generate 10+ plasma between every combo to even start stacking plasma on you.

I take steady build up unblockable with crumbling armour in war and the only time I've ever gotten a single plasma on me using power drain prefight is when havok has suicides. And getting a sp3 finish is entirely dependent on who's placed earlier on, I have to frequently take apoc bosses and don't find getting a soul beforehand difficult. Whether or not OP can get one is for him to decide

That’s what I said but the long winded version. There’s no reason to use her pre fight abilities, she can power drain more effectively with the sp1. Thus without the power drain pre fight she needs the armor up to protect her from the plasmas detention.

We haven't said the same thing at all?
Im saying he should use both prefights, he doesn't need to power drain at sp1 efficiency since he doesn't have an armour triggering spite.
There's no reason to keep the armour if you can reset his plasma literally every combo

But you can’t, he has power gain in his kit and the node has power gain similar to kenetic transference. You don’t do the fight but argue with those that do. We are saying the same thing but disagree on which method is better. G99 no prefight abilities, spam sp1 easy fight. You’re adding in extra elements like gaining a digi soul to use her power drain ability. It’s not necessary, but please tell me more of how to use g99 and do that fight. When I’ve taken that fight for the better part of the last 6 months and have had g99 ranked up as a 6* r3 since abyss was released…

Good job assuming I haven't taken the fight, I wouldn't be suggesting counters to it at all if I didn't have experience doing the fight.

The point I've made is instead of going though the trouble of dancing round spite the entire fight you could ignore it by using prefights.
Rise to power doesn't come into play if you're not spamming sp1 and knocking him down which you don't need to if you're not trying to manage spite.

Me "adding elements" is to make the fight as ridiculously easy as possible. Like I said earlier whether or not OP can get a soul is up to him, doing so isn't difficult and taking a fight with 100 combo Vs without is a day and night difference.
Having a r3 g99 since abyss released doesn't give your words any more weight, i lucked my way into the same situation so I don't see the point it's meant prove

Both methods are viable and the only reason I even continued responding was your claim she would detonate without an armour up buff which isn't true. OP can decide how he wants to go about it

But through it all you missed the fact that he would detonate because of the power gain from the node. They changed it this season, it use to be power from afar but now it’s more like kenetic transference. Havok would build enough power to make it important to have an armor up. I’m not assuming anything, the node has clearly changed since you took it, while I’m still on it. I never said you haven’t taken. One combo into g99’s block and havok will be over a bar of power.

Are you talking about rise to power or a new node? because Ive already addressed rise to power.

Karuseus

Try duped doc oc his power lock becomes power drain 100% of what enemy gains so no plasma for him
It grts tricky as the debuff duration is not that long, but if you can launch your sp3 for power lock it becomes quite easy