Alliance War Participants Dropping Like Flies

Kabam Loto

Hello, Summoners on this thread.Thank you for sharing your opinions on the Alliance War participation rate. We appreciate you do.

Demonzfyre

Ercarret said:

No one liked AW, and now no one can play AW anyway. Plus, the off-season is always worthless. Why lock away 8 champs constantly just to get like 200 5* shards per day? Nah, I'm fine without.

As the leader of my alliance, I try to lead by example when the season's on despite absolutely hating AW, but in the off-season...? I just can't be bothered.

I do see the same thing happening in AQ, though, and we previously did really well there and had very high participation. But this bug just came and nuked our progress there. That annoys me. We've been compensated well enough that we haven't lost the material gains we would have had, but I don't enjoy having to rebuild what we had going for us before this whole fiasco. I worked really hard to get us there and were finally were...and now we're not anymore.

I'm more tired of AQ than I am of AW honestly. At least in AW I'm not fighting the same stupid champs over and over all the time with the same boring paths.

Shadowstrike

We're still 30 for 30 in our last war. The extended break just gave us more champs for AQ

Typhoon

I continue to do off-season war for free shards and loyalty (no item use and boss rush), but I don't enjoy war at all. Too stressful, too much of a commitment, and they just keep making the mode more and more confusing with all these defender and attacker tactics. AQ and AW need a huge overhaul, because these are chores and not fun.

Thecurler

My alliance is still running 3 bg wars (tier 4 at the moment) mainly for farming loyalty,
No pressure for item use and we leave some paths unexplored if necessary.
War is probably my favourite game mode but it needs a major revamp IMO, I’m starting to find it stale and I’m definitely not alone in that.
The new nodes and tactics haven’t made much difference to the defenders being placed, it’s all very much same old same old.

JuroSan

jdeck59 said:

I will say once again this seems to be an issue for lower tier alliances. In my low tier alliance no one wants to join because they all die right away and can't clear. High tier, we clear the map same day and hve no issues,

Believe me it’s not only in lower alliances

Demonzfyre

Thecurler said:

My alliance is still running 3 bg wars (tier 4 at the moment) mainly for farming loyalty,
No pressure for item use and we leave some paths unexplored if necessary.
War is probably my favourite game mode but it needs a major revamp IMO, I’m starting to find it stale and I’m definitely not alone in that.
The new nodes and tactics haven’t made much difference to the defenders being placed, it’s all very much same old same old.

I agree with this as well. I don't know if it's my favorite mode but I don't mind war at all and we're still doing 3 full BGs at tier 2/plat 1. It's off season so no item use right now but still not having issues clearing.

DrZola

We run a retirement, low-competitive ally that puts zero pressure on AW/AQ. Most of us still play at varying levels of commitment and have known each other for years. The ally is quite literally about as low key as anyone could find without being a full-on “park your account” alliance. Players are free to throw in on AQ/AW at the last minute to grab shards, etc. with little repercussion, and we usually manage to be at the cutoff of Gold-Silver running a single BG.

And…interest in AQ/AW has nevertheless plunged to rock bottom. It is as if the underlying mechanics breakdown (to be fair, probably also in combination with the summer camp event and the super-repetitive SQ) was the catalyst that prompted a number of ally mates to just drop game time to the barest minimum.

Dr. Zola

Deacon

very much in agreement Zola.

DNA3000

jdeck59 said:

I will say once again this seems to be an issue for lower tier alliances. In my low tier alliance no one wants to join because they all die right away and can't clear. High tier, we clear the map same day and hve no issues,

That's weird, because if the low alliance lost often enough they should eventually drop to a tier they could do. First they should drop below intermediate and only have six paths to deal with, and then a couple tiers lower they should start to get matched against alliances that don't even consistently fill full battlegroups.

Cassy

In my ally we do only one aw bg in season. And we like almost never get All slots filled for defense. Loosing is no issue. We get to silver 3 or maybe 2. Depends how many Player stay the whole season in war. The next season is nearly everytime skipped to raise excitement. No of season wars.

For aw. 2 bg map4 only. Even with full energy from the start.
If aq cycle does not Start on weekend we Do on map5 on bg 1 to raise some points.
Exploring both bg is more rare then common.

Most Player don't care for loyalty. So aw is unimportant.
AQ is more a must go for T5B and t2a. But Thats it. Would be a strech to say i enjoy this piece of content. But for a slow development its nessesary. But to be honest, map4 is a 4 login 10 minute a day thing. With High Prestige the payout is somewhat reasonable. But not fun or exciting.

Deacon

JuroSan said:

jdeck59 said:

I will say once again this seems to be an issue for lower tier alliances. In my low tier alliance no one wants to join because they all die right away and can't clear. High tier, we clear the map same day and hve no issues,

Believe me it’s not only in lower alliances

exactly

LuisBvv

Look I’m not playing in anymore wars until the parry dex bug is fixed snd the defense tactics bug where high ground is active on champs like thing is fixed. This game is so horrible and toxic right now. I don’t see how kabam can make this right anymore

Ercarret

Demonzfyre said:

Ercarret said:

No one liked AW, and now no one can play AW anyway. Plus, the off-season is always worthless. Why lock away 8 champs constantly just to get like 200 5* shards per day? Nah, I'm fine without.

As the leader of my alliance, I try to lead by example when the season's on despite absolutely hating AW, but in the off-season...? I just can't be bothered.

I do see the same thing happening in AQ, though, and we previously did really well there and had very high participation. But this bug just came and nuked our progress there. That annoys me. We've been compensated well enough that we haven't lost the material gains we would have had, but I don't enjoy having to rebuild what we had going for us before this whole fiasco. I worked really hard to get us there and were finally were...and now we're not anymore.

I'm more tired of AQ than I am of AW honestly. At least in AW I'm not fighting the same stupid champs over and over all the time with the same boring paths.

I hear you. The two things that mitigate that for me is that 1) we semi-recently switched map, so it does not feel quite as old as the previous one did, and 2) the rewards are much better for much less effort than those in AW. The AW season is just a long, grueling slog for not nearly enough payoff. Even with the boosted rewards, I just feel...ugh.

If AW was constantly as short as it was this time when it was cut off early, I would maybe enjoy it more. But now? Nah, I'm good.

Plus, I've never liked the uncertainty in AW. You never know what you'll go up against in terms of mastery setup etc. It can make things wildly unpredictable in a way I don't appreciate.

But with all of that being said: I hear you. AQ could do with quite a bit of love as well.

Joker1976

I’m more bored with AQ as well. There should be a cap on how long a boss is in place…
It will be 9 months soon!! Apoc was introduced as Boss in early December of last year!

AQ boss should be around 3-4 months tops to keep it fresh and interesting. Or better yet have rotating AQ bosses …all the ones from the past
Doom / Kingpin/ Thanos/ Dormammu .

But for a AQ boss to be around 3 of the 4 seasons in a year???

That’s not even remotely interesting

Demonzfyre

Ercarret said:

Demonzfyre said:

Ercarret said:

No one liked AW, and now no one can play AW anyway. Plus, the off-season is always worthless. Why lock away 8 champs constantly just to get like 200 5* shards per day? Nah, I'm fine without.

As the leader of my alliance, I try to lead by example when the season's on despite absolutely hating AW, but in the off-season...? I just can't be bothered.

I do see the same thing happening in AQ, though, and we previously did really well there and had very high participation. But this bug just came and nuked our progress there. That annoys me. We've been compensated well enough that we haven't lost the material gains we would have had, but I don't enjoy having to rebuild what we had going for us before this whole fiasco. I worked really hard to get us there and were finally were...and now we're not anymore.

I'm more tired of AQ than I am of AW honestly. At least in AW I'm not fighting the same stupid champs over and over all the time with the same boring paths.

I hear you. The two things that mitigate that for me is that 1) we semi-recently switched map, so it does not feel quite as old as the previous one did, and 2) the rewards are much better for much less effort than those in AW. The AW season is just a long, grueling slog for not nearly enough payoff. Even with the boosted rewards, I just feel...ugh.

If AW was constantly as short as it was this time when it was cut off early, I would maybe enjoy it more. But now? Nah, I'm good.

Plus, I've never liked the uncertainty in AW. You never know what you'll go up against in terms of mastery setup etc. It can make things wildly unpredictable in a way I don't appreciate.

But with all of that being said: I hear you. AQ could do with quite a bit of love as well.

Map 8 is coming so that might help. I dunno, AW is 12 wars over like what 4 weeks or so? AQ is 20 days in the same time frame. I don't really compare rewards for the 2 because they aren't the same. AQ doesn't give crystal shards and AW doesn't have the map crystals. I do AQ only for the T5cc but I do AW for the 6* shards and the full T5B.

LeNoirFaineant

We run 1 BG in the offseason. 3 BGs in the regular season for casual gold 1/plat 4. We don't have trouble running war the way we do it. Probably all of us have played more competitive war in the past and are happy not doing so now.

MSRDLD

AW used to be where you needed to go to get decent crystal shards. For a long time now you can get them elsewhere in other content. So why bother? War makes you fight against your alliance mates more than anything. Not worth it anymore.

MSRDLD

Little_Crocodili29 said:

Same thing, OP.

And although they improved the rewards a bit, the dislike for this mode has reached unprecedented levels.

When my team received the news next Season is going to be more of the same there were sighs all around. Not one single person in my team is excited for AW anymore, and most of the players want nothing to do with it.

When it comes to recruiting, if you speak of AW, most prospects immediately back off.

It's a sad state for this mode. It's never dipped so low I think.

Participation may be at its lowest, but the mode itself has seen worse days. Were you around for Diversity Wars? Aka Spreadsheet wars? That was a wild, terrible time.

Man2th

AW and AQ participation has DROPPED. It isn’t a surprise and the state of the game just validates more reason to do something else with your time.

AQ has been free and my alliance has muscled our way but with absolutely no enjoyment. The compensation is just a joke. AW stance is to farm loyalty since it’s basically the only way the game developers see fit to get any but again with no enjoyment. AW season 27 we should have hit P3 the way we were rolling and the rework on the rewards were ok.

Mix all of that together and the game has hit an all time low for me. I’ve been playing for over 6 years and not surprised many others are retiring or scaling back. The game has become laboring and no end in sight.

I tried beta 7.3 and just couldn’t enjoy it. Maybe it’s time to also hang it up. Never vented on here until now. Absolutely mind boggling on how maintaining the serviceability of this game is so difficult considering the value of what we all brought this game.

JuroSan

I love this game and I really hope for a good overhaul, I always get very sad when my friends leave the game. I have been playing this game 3 month after it’s release and I can say that 80% of my old friends in mcoc have already stopped playing
Part of it is natural but many of them left for specific reasons like what is going on with AW right now.

Thecurler

On a slightly different note it’s amazing how quickly things can change in mcoc world.
Feels like we’ve gone from having lots of great content and a relatively happy community to the polar opposite within a couple of weeks.

Demonzfyre

Thecurler said:

On a slightly different note it’s amazing how quickly things can change in mcoc world.
Feels like we’ve gone from having lots of great content and a relatively happy community to the polar opposite within a couple of weeks.

That's a figment of your imagination. The community is a lot like the Hulk. Their secret is that they stay angry. You've just seen them in their Bruce Banner mode lately.

KnightZero

Season 28 definitely going to be a huge issue if the bugs aren't fixed. Not talking about the parry/dex one, but the tactics not being selected, the attacker tactic in T1/T2 being completely useless and more of a bane than a boon, and champs not under the tag being affected by the defender tactics.