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  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 37,689 ★★★★★
    edited September 2021
    Monk1 said:

    It's pretty simple. I Rank every Rarity, and I have a steady flow of Resources. Not too much, not too little. (Aside from T5CCs but that's a different story.) Things have more time to replenish when you're working on a little bit of everything.

    You really are short sighted in what ‘bigger’ accounts look like..

    I rank everything. All 3* maxed, all 4* to r3, all 5* to r3, even some to r4 as the t4b and t2a would expire. I even ranked all the 4* up for Carina challenges just to make them easier.

    Even doing this I am selling t1a every few days and if I brought t2a from Glory (which I don’t) then would have even more overflowing.

    In nutshell they have slowed t5b dramatically and increased t5cc - see SOP rewards - 3 t5cc and hard let any t5b 🤷
    There's always going to be some Resource that ends up being a bottleneck. If you're still Ranking other Rarities then my previous point doesn't apply. However, there's always something that is slower.

    It's pretty simple. I Rank every Rarity, and I have a steady flow of Resources. Not too much, not too little. (Aside from T5CCs but that's a different story.) Things have more time to replenish when you're working on a little bit of everything.

    How can you not accept that people with over 50 rank 5 5*, over 100 6* simply have everything covered in terms of 5*? The fact you could straight-faced, without a hint of irony, say that to someone as described is frankly laughable.

    Empathy is a wonderful skill, being able to imagine other situations.
    Okay, so they have counters for what exists in the game. Does that apply to content that hasn't come yet? Does that mean there's no use in Ranking anything else? The game is about steady progress. Not an end-state. That last bit I'm not even garnering a response for. If you want to speak to me, you can do it without shade.
  • ItsDamienItsDamien Member Posts: 5,626 ★★★★★

    ItsDamien said:

    ItsDamien said:

    Zan0 said:

    GarrettN said:

    How? Just how?

    Don’t use rank up materials on 5* and T2A goes through the roof. T5B is more rare.
    Why wouldn't you use them on 5*s? This is what happens when people only focus on the highest Rarity. It imbalances Resources.
    We can’t take 5 stars up to r5 anyway. There isn’t enough t5b available to spare on them
    That's part of the same problem.
    Monk1 said:

    GarrettN said:

    How? Just how?

    Don’t use rank up materials on 5* and T2A goes through the roof. T5B is more rare.
    Why wouldn't you use them on 5*s? This is what happens when people only focus on the highest Rarity. It imbalances Resources.
    Explain to me why I would rank 5*…? I already have 36 r5 and they hold no (or very very little) purpose for my account.

    I have 125 6* and every counter required at this level, so why level up the version below?
    Numerous reasons.
    Numerous reasons that may be valid for your account which is likely lacking everything you could need or want. However for those who have a lot of R5s and R2s, and are now pushing towards R3s, there is going to be a shortage because there isn't enough content that provides reliable T5B regularly. Permanent content is great, until you've completed it all and have no more guaranteed resources.
    Alliance Events, Solo Events, content that requires specific Rarities, natural distribution of Resources, advancing your Account fully....
    I mean, if people don't mind Resources expiring, that's up to them. That doesn't mean the game is designed to stop focusing on lower Rarities. That's pretty much a choice.
    Alliance events don't give T5B frags, neither Summoner Advancement or 3 day events. Solo events give 750 frags, of which most people will only do Hero Use, Level up and Arena. Most people skip the Event one because frankly the energy cost is not worth what you get in return.

    Content that needs specific Rarities? You mean for the Rarities that people already have ranked up and completed for the T5B that was available? Yeah that TOTALLY makes sense.

    Advancing your account? You mean the people who need more T5B that are trying to advance their account by ranking up more R3s because they've already got plenty of R5s? Yeah, screw those who are trying to advance their account progressing with too many R5s and R2s I guess!

    None of your points make any sense for those who have progressed much further than what you have. They make sense to you because you're not at the point where you're ranking up more 6*s because your 5* roster is already fully developed.
    You're talking about the effect and I'm talking about the cause. Higher Resources take longer to amass. When you're ONLY focusing on those, it's going to take longer to replenish. The game isn't designed to Rank 6*s at the same rate as 5*s, and so on.
    You're not even talking about the cause, you tried to justify the reason of ranking up lower Rarities when the people who are aiming to rank up 6*s have no need to anymore as they're done with those areas of the game.

    Hell here's where my account stands right now:

    6* R3 - 9
    6* R2 - 6
    6* I want to take to R2 - 4

    5* R5 - 25
    5* I would maybe take to R5 - 2.

    Current T5B: 6.
    Current T2A: 28.
    Current T5CC: 1 Cosmic, 1 Mutant, 1 Science, 1 Skill.

    I don't have enough T5B to take one champ to R3 and one to R2.

    If I took 2 champs to R2, I would have to wait potentially 2 or more months to take one to R3.

    There is an imbalance starting to occur. Yes it will be somewhat allievated once 7.3 comes out, followed by Variant 8, but what about after? EQ gives 1 T5B a month, the Glory store prices are so high that you can maybe get 3 which is half a T5B as a TB.

    Just because you think that it's fine doesn't mean that there isn't an issue starting to occur from having regular, reliable, T5B.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 37,689 ★★★★★
    ItsDamien said:

    ItsDamien said:

    ItsDamien said:

    Zan0 said:

    GarrettN said:

    How? Just how?

    Don’t use rank up materials on 5* and T2A goes through the roof. T5B is more rare.
    Why wouldn't you use them on 5*s? This is what happens when people only focus on the highest Rarity. It imbalances Resources.
    We can’t take 5 stars up to r5 anyway. There isn’t enough t5b available to spare on them
    That's part of the same problem.
    Monk1 said:

    GarrettN said:

    How? Just how?

    Don’t use rank up materials on 5* and T2A goes through the roof. T5B is more rare.
    Why wouldn't you use them on 5*s? This is what happens when people only focus on the highest Rarity. It imbalances Resources.
    Explain to me why I would rank 5*…? I already have 36 r5 and they hold no (or very very little) purpose for my account.

    I have 125 6* and every counter required at this level, so why level up the version below?
    Numerous reasons.
    Numerous reasons that may be valid for your account which is likely lacking everything you could need or want. However for those who have a lot of R5s and R2s, and are now pushing towards R3s, there is going to be a shortage because there isn't enough content that provides reliable T5B regularly. Permanent content is great, until you've completed it all and have no more guaranteed resources.
    Alliance Events, Solo Events, content that requires specific Rarities, natural distribution of Resources, advancing your Account fully....
    I mean, if people don't mind Resources expiring, that's up to them. That doesn't mean the game is designed to stop focusing on lower Rarities. That's pretty much a choice.
    Alliance events don't give T5B frags, neither Summoner Advancement or 3 day events. Solo events give 750 frags, of which most people will only do Hero Use, Level up and Arena. Most people skip the Event one because frankly the energy cost is not worth what you get in return.

    Content that needs specific Rarities? You mean for the Rarities that people already have ranked up and completed for the T5B that was available? Yeah that TOTALLY makes sense.

    Advancing your account? You mean the people who need more T5B that are trying to advance their account by ranking up more R3s because they've already got plenty of R5s? Yeah, screw those who are trying to advance their account progressing with too many R5s and R2s I guess!

    None of your points make any sense for those who have progressed much further than what you have. They make sense to you because you're not at the point where you're ranking up more 6*s because your 5* roster is already fully developed.
    You're talking about the effect and I'm talking about the cause. Higher Resources take longer to amass. When you're ONLY focusing on those, it's going to take longer to replenish. The game isn't designed to Rank 6*s at the same rate as 5*s, and so on.
    You're not even talking about the cause, you tried to justify the reason of ranking up lower Rarities when the people who are aiming to rank up 6*s have no need to anymore as they're done with those areas of the game.

    Hell here's where my account stands right now:

    6* R3 - 9
    6* R2 - 6
    6* I want to take to R2 - 4

    5* R5 - 25
    5* I would maybe take to R5 - 2.

    Current T5B: 6.
    Current T2A: 28.
    Current T5CC: 1 Cosmic, 1 Mutant, 1 Science, 1 Skill.

    I don't have enough T5B to take one champ to R3 and one to R2.

    If I took 2 champs to R2, I would have to wait potentially 2 or more months to take one to R3.

    There is an imbalance starting to occur. Yes it will be somewhat allievated once 7.3 comes out, followed by Variant 8, but what about after? EQ gives 1 T5B a month, the Glory store prices are so high that you can maybe get 3 which is half a T5B as a TB.

    Just because you think that it's fine doesn't mean that there isn't an issue starting to occur from having regular, reliable, T5B.
    You're never going to have all of what you need all the time. There's always some type of limiting Resource. 2 months to take one to R3 is not unreasonable, considering some people have none, or one, or two. There's a pace for progression within the game overall, and that pace comes from those Resources balancing. That's not an easy thing to do. It means something will always shift to a bottleneck.
    As for going to R2, yes. That's what everyone else would do before they go to R3.
  • BitterSteelBitterSteel Member Posts: 9,264 ★★★★★
    edited September 2021

    Monk1 said:

    It's pretty simple. I Rank every Rarity, and I have a steady flow of Resources. Not too much, not too little. (Aside from T5CCs but that's a different story.) Things have more time to replenish when you're working on a little bit of everything.

    You really are short sighted in what ‘bigger’ accounts look like..

    I rank everything. All 3* maxed, all 4* to r3, all 5* to r3, even some to r4 as the t4b and t2a would expire. I even ranked all the 4* up for Carina challenges just to make them easier.

    Even doing this I am selling t1a every few days and if I brought t2a from Glory (which I don’t) then would have even more overflowing.

    In nutshell they have slowed t5b dramatically and increased t5cc - see SOP rewards - 3 t5cc and hard let any t5b 🤷
    There's always going to be some Resource that ends up being a bottleneck. If you're still Ranking other Rarities then my previous point doesn't apply. However, there's always something that is slower.

    It's pretty simple. I Rank every Rarity, and I have a steady flow of Resources. Not too much, not too little. (Aside from T5CCs but that's a different story.) Things have more time to replenish when you're working on a little bit of everything.

    How can you not accept that people with over 50 rank 5 5*, over 100 6* simply have everything covered in terms of 5*? The fact you could straight-faced, without a hint of irony, say that to someone as described is frankly laughable.

    Empathy is a wonderful skill, being able to imagine other situations.
    Okay, so they have counters for what exists in the game. Does that apply to content that hasn't come yet? Does that mean there's no use in Ranking anything else? The game is about steady progress. Not an end-state. That last bit I'm not even garnering a response for. If you want to speak to me, you can do it without shade.
    Shall we ignore the fact that 6* are accessible enough now that players in these positions (with 100 6*), will have half the champions in the game) and will have most of the other half as a rank 5 5* or be in the position to rank should the need present itself. Taking myself as an example, I have almost every top champion as a rank 5, rank 2 or rank 3. Im missing Shang chi, Herc and a couple other newer ones too. I have every other mid tier champion as a 5 or 6* I can rank on hand if the time comes.

    If something comes out where you need a piece of utility from a 5* that is currently unranked you can… rank them.

    Apart from that, people want to rank 6* now. Rank 4 champions are coming out, t5cc is becoming much more accessible for everyone. Ranking a 5* is a dead end for the progression cap, they can’t go beyond rank 5. Ranking 6* is more resource efficient.

    No player such as myself has any need of ranking 5* at all. There is no content that Kabam is releasing that requires Herc or Shang Chi, or one or two specific champions that my roster, or similar players rosters do not have. I rank 5* I find fun that I don’t have as 6*, mostly new ones if I luck out, because there is nearly 0 point ranking up a 5* only to pull them as 6*s in a week. Seriously, if you are so committed to your point, I’ll post my roster, take a look and let me know what sort of content there could be that it can’t cover. I’m sure you won’t, because it would prove my point.

    The empathy comment was because you don’t consider that others may be in a situation beyond and different to yourself. There was a time in the game that 4* were relevant in content, then they weren’t. There will be a time where 5* are no longer relevant in content, it is not fully here yet, 5* are still relevant in content of course they are - there is nothing that requires a 6*. However, 5* *rank ups* are less relevant for a certain type of player. One day you will realise that and I hope you’ll think back and wonder how you could have missed it.
  • ItsDamienItsDamien Member Posts: 5,626 ★★★★★

    ItsDamien said:

    ItsDamien said:

    ItsDamien said:

    Zan0 said:

    GarrettN said:

    How? Just how?

    Don’t use rank up materials on 5* and T2A goes through the roof. T5B is more rare.
    Why wouldn't you use them on 5*s? This is what happens when people only focus on the highest Rarity. It imbalances Resources.
    We can’t take 5 stars up to r5 anyway. There isn’t enough t5b available to spare on them
    That's part of the same problem.
    Monk1 said:

    GarrettN said:

    How? Just how?

    Don’t use rank up materials on 5* and T2A goes through the roof. T5B is more rare.
    Why wouldn't you use them on 5*s? This is what happens when people only focus on the highest Rarity. It imbalances Resources.
    Explain to me why I would rank 5*…? I already have 36 r5 and they hold no (or very very little) purpose for my account.

    I have 125 6* and every counter required at this level, so why level up the version below?
    Numerous reasons.
    Numerous reasons that may be valid for your account which is likely lacking everything you could need or want. However for those who have a lot of R5s and R2s, and are now pushing towards R3s, there is going to be a shortage because there isn't enough content that provides reliable T5B regularly. Permanent content is great, until you've completed it all and have no more guaranteed resources.
    Alliance Events, Solo Events, content that requires specific Rarities, natural distribution of Resources, advancing your Account fully....
    I mean, if people don't mind Resources expiring, that's up to them. That doesn't mean the game is designed to stop focusing on lower Rarities. That's pretty much a choice.
    Alliance events don't give T5B frags, neither Summoner Advancement or 3 day events. Solo events give 750 frags, of which most people will only do Hero Use, Level up and Arena. Most people skip the Event one because frankly the energy cost is not worth what you get in return.

    Content that needs specific Rarities? You mean for the Rarities that people already have ranked up and completed for the T5B that was available? Yeah that TOTALLY makes sense.

    Advancing your account? You mean the people who need more T5B that are trying to advance their account by ranking up more R3s because they've already got plenty of R5s? Yeah, screw those who are trying to advance their account progressing with too many R5s and R2s I guess!

    None of your points make any sense for those who have progressed much further than what you have. They make sense to you because you're not at the point where you're ranking up more 6*s because your 5* roster is already fully developed.
    You're talking about the effect and I'm talking about the cause. Higher Resources take longer to amass. When you're ONLY focusing on those, it's going to take longer to replenish. The game isn't designed to Rank 6*s at the same rate as 5*s, and so on.
    You're not even talking about the cause, you tried to justify the reason of ranking up lower Rarities when the people who are aiming to rank up 6*s have no need to anymore as they're done with those areas of the game.

    Hell here's where my account stands right now:

    6* R3 - 9
    6* R2 - 6
    6* I want to take to R2 - 4

    5* R5 - 25
    5* I would maybe take to R5 - 2.

    Current T5B: 6.
    Current T2A: 28.
    Current T5CC: 1 Cosmic, 1 Mutant, 1 Science, 1 Skill.

    I don't have enough T5B to take one champ to R3 and one to R2.

    If I took 2 champs to R2, I would have to wait potentially 2 or more months to take one to R3.

    There is an imbalance starting to occur. Yes it will be somewhat allievated once 7.3 comes out, followed by Variant 8, but what about after? EQ gives 1 T5B a month, the Glory store prices are so high that you can maybe get 3 which is half a T5B as a TB.

    Just because you think that it's fine doesn't mean that there isn't an issue starting to occur from having regular, reliable, T5B.
    You're never going to have all of what you need all the time. There's always some type of limiting Resource. 2 months to take one to R3 is not unreasonable, considering some people have none, or one, or two. There's a pace for progression within the game overall, and that pace comes from those Resources balancing. That's not an easy thing to do. It means something will always shift to a bottleneck.
    As for going to R2, yes. That's what everyone else would do before they go to R3.
    The bottleneck should be T5CC. When I have 4 fully formed T5CC ready to go, and more that are close to being formed, the bottleneck for people who have been at the end game for quite some time, shouldn't be a resource that has been available for many years.

    The players progress, the game has to progress as well. Resource management is a two way street, there's only so much that you can do with intentionally limited resources.
  • Monk1Monk1 Member Posts: 765 ★★★★
    Could not agree more.

    I have questioned my own rank up strategy.. as I have 9 (yes 9!) fully formed t5cc and only enough t5b to take 1 more champ to r3.. this would be r3 #21 but takes so long to get t5b that always careful in case I need a rank up.
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