Buffed Thor 😕 [MERGED]

https://playcontestofchampions.com/champion-spotlight-thor-ragnarok/

Hope the gameplay shows his updated Kit . Looks decent .

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SpideyFunko

Again, the larger rework was likely Guillotine. This seems like a smaller values change.

Rockypantherx

I'll wait to comment on his damage, but it seems really great. But you can see now, that his utility isn't likely going to be used much.

This is pretty much where I’m at. I think the damage he’s going to getting from this buff is going to be fairly substantial. More potent armour breaks for longer, significantly more attack, and better shocks. In that department, this buff is good.

I think where this buff is failing is in the utility and practicality department.

90% shock duration reduction is great, especially since it’s also effects (beats me how the god of thunder takes some damage from shock)

But outside of that, it’s unbelievably weak. -20% ability accuracy reduction per shock? That you realistically need to get to an SP3 to access? It’s worse than a slow on an SP3, and no one uses them

Frequent armour breaks are a bit better, but again, they’re practically locked behind an SP3. While armour break you can maybe get away with not having immediately, it still makes him significantly inferior to other options. Corvus? Parry. OG Thor? Parry. Sym Spidey? Heavy Attack. Medusa? Medium attack.

You see what I’m getting at.

The one place I can see him being potentially useful is nodes where either shocks or lots of debuffs are required. He’s not going to be the best for them, but I don’t think he’s going to be that far away from the top, and shock is still a relatively uncommon debuff

I don’t think this is another Gamora/Nova/Ronin buff. I think this will make a somewhat meaningful impact upon the champion. But it once again feels like one or two more lines of text could have made him so much better

‘Heavy Attacks inflict armour break’

‘While under the effects of armour break, opponents cannot evade’

One thing I am incredibly glad to see is that he is nowhere near as sig or synergy dependent now. I think that’s a massive win for a lot of players in the 6 star meta, who maybe get him as one of their first 6 stars. But I think his sig is beneficial enough to also make prestige w****s who invested sigs into him not feel like they are wasted from a gameplay standpoint

Wicket329

Just found out that he has a synergy with Silver Centurion allowing for shocks of heavy. If that's not changed, that could be pretty good for him.

So it looks like the playstyle with this synergy will be parry/heavy until you get to your sp3. I believe he has a two hit heavy attack, so you’ll have about 26 hits on your combo from strictly parry/heavy when you reach that point. I’d say keep throwing that until you’re just shy of activating Boom of the Gods. Bait whatever special they’ve got, then parry and fire your sp3.

After that, lay into them. Boon should get you to your sp2 very quickly, so fire that off for a long lasting armor break throughout your Thunder God’s Wrath phase, then spam sp1 (which you’ll also get immediately thanks to Boon) to keep triggering his burst of physical damage on stuns. Once Wrath is over, just rinse repeat. Although I don’t imagine there are many fights in the game that will require much more than one rotation of that.

Utility is a bit sparse, as others have noted. Damage could be very solid, however, and if he is a viable EMP mod counter, that’s a nice bit of niche utility to go with reliable armor break and shock damage.

Real_Madrid_76_2

Only thing I loved in the spotlight was the awakened ability

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SpideyFunko

Only thing I loved in the spotlight was the awakened ability
trust me you dont want to use 200 sig stones for a champ like thor, unless you're into prestige

or you really really like Thor

Rohit_316

Only thing I loved in the spotlight was the awakened ability

Grootman1294

Kinda hate how he needs the Sig to massively boost his damage but it seems interesting. Maybe a new BWDO.

Yodabolt21

I think that we all need to remember when Kabam announced doing monthly buffs last year, one of there focuses was helping progressing players… not end gamers. I think that is great and all, but so far, IMO anyway, we’ve gotten like 5-6 buffs in just under a year that actually impactful for Cav and beyond. It would be nice if more of these buffs made me want to use these champs in EQ or act 7.I would list the 5-6 I think that were useful for everyone , but no doubt that will just cause a ruckus and bickering.

For me, Thor’s buff would be awesome if I pulled him as one of my first 4* in act 3/4. For me now, my duped 5* will stay at r2 and my 6* will stay unleveled at r1.

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GroundedWisdom

Again, the larger rework was likely Guillotine. This seems like a smaller values change.
Really? This wasn’t the overhaul? Did you also know the floor is made of floor and that every 60 seconds a minute passes?
Yet here we are month after month with people expecting more.
You're perpetuating the myth that tune ups and moderates have to have less impact on a champion. If you mean that moderates and tune ups add less abilities to a champion then please clarify that, but as of now, you are being unclear and your post implies that the buff is not as impactful because it is a moderate or a tuneup.

Moderates and tune ups can still add fewer abilities to a champion and be a great buff.

Moleman got a tune up and he's a beast, DD HK got an overhaul and he's less appreciated.

What myth? It entirely depends on the Champ and what a values change will impact. Some Champs are significantly changed. Others are moderately affected. They're not all going to be groundbreaking.

Ercarret

To me, it looks like those who've already ranked him up for prestige will be happy that he's not a complete noodle anymore, but I still don't really see a reason to rank him up beyond prestige. He can probably deal some really solid damage once you've ramped him up but he sorely lacks the utility of others in his class.

He most likely won't be competing for the top spot but I don't think every buffed champion needs to. It seems like he'll move up a fair few pegs in the tier rankings and you'll be less disappointed if you pull him at an early stage or if you need to rank him up for prestige at a later stage, but he probably won't be people's first choice for most content.

That said, I do really need a shock dealer for nodes like Thunderstruck. I'll probably go with Horsewoman Storm (since I have her and not him as a 6*) but he could be a solid second option for other people hunting for a similar champ. Plus, if his shock reduction works for all shock effects - both debuffs and passives - that can really come in handy from time to time.

ChaosMax1012

Could uae some more but a solid buff overall improving his current abilities. Just lacks some utility imo but damage could be looking nice

FluffyPigMonster

Hopefully he’s just better and I can play a Thor champ and feel he’s useful. I don’t like ranking him up only for prestige, which I didn’t. I actually want to use the champs and enjoy the game.

Looks like he will be better. How much better we will see when it is live. I’m cautiously optimistic since this buff reminds me of Kingpin and Falcon. He’s abilities are still in there but the numbers went up and perhaps they flow better.

Total_Domin01

Why do i have a feeling that they didn't change much?

It's not like he had lousy abilities, just damage

Rockypantherx

I'll wait to comment on his damage, but it seems really great. But you can see now, that his utility isn't likely going to be used much.
I don’t think this is another Gamora/Nova/Ronin buff. I think this will make a somewhat meaningful impact upon the champion. But it once again feels like one or two more lines of text could have made him so much better

I want to clarify that I agree with this, I don’t think Thor will be another gamora type buff. My comment likening those two was purely based on the utility aspect.

Thor’s damage looks like it’s going to be great, the buff in that regard is a win for me as long as it holds up. The utility is what seems disappointing to me. It looks like BP OG type DAAR, but locked behind an sp3 instead of 10 hits or an sp1

Oh I wasn’t referencing you specifically on that, don’t worry. I agree with everything you said (just generally as well). It’s funny because OGBP is the first thing I thought of with this buff. Good base damage, good DOT, relies on debuffs to reduce ability accuracy, and is maybe a bit impractical

I actually think when the buff goes live OGBP is going to be a good reference point, since I think Thor is pretty much going to land one ‘tier’ below him

GrandOldKai

Why do i have a feeling that they didn't change much?
It's not like he had lousy abilities, just damage

His abilities largely revolved around his SP3 and Awakened ability, though

Saiyan

Ok so based on what I've seen from my current R1 sig 40 6 star Thor. The buff looks to make him one of the highest DPS (not damage but damage per second) champ in game kinda like Tigra or BWDO.

I did a ROL WS test with him and the results look good. I did indeed use a full synergy team with Champion, Korg, Proxima and Hulk Rags.

Got to his SP3 on 28 hits, WS had 93% health, parried him then used the SP3. Went into WS after the SP3 cuz he was still stunned. Since he was only sig 40, it meant only 16 seconds of Thunder God time. I was able to fire off 5 SP1s in that 16 seconds time and the hit combo was about 77 or so after. WS went down to 65% health.

Doesn't sound impressive for a champ with a full synergy team does it? To me it is and here's why.

It's a R1 champ and he didn't have access to his full sig duration due to being sig 40. His combo ended on 77 meaning he didn't get the full benifit from the Champion synergy in that 16 seconds so his damage wasn't fully ramped yet.

Now lets put that same Thor after the buff. He will have the full 30 second duration, more attack due to his sig (tho it'll be somewhat the same as now for me due to them changing the Hulk synergy from 60% to 15%), longer and slightly stronger shocks and alittle better armor breaks with slight more chance to trigger. I'd say this exact test would bring down WS to at least 30% health instead in that 30 seconds time.

Now what if Thor was R2-3 instead? I'm 100% sure he will kill WS in 30 seconds after his SP3 by spamming SP1s. Tho we will have to wait and see but I get the feeling that I'm right.

Oh I forgot to mention that Thor can stun lock any fight indefinitely so whatever health the enemy does have after 30 seconds after his sp3 then you can just keep spamming SP1s till they are dead with no worries anyway.

GroundedWisdom

Again, the larger rework was likely Guillotine. This seems like a smaller values change.
Really? This wasn’t the overhaul? Did you also know the floor is made of floor and that every 60 seconds a minute passes?
Yet here we are month after month with people expecting more.
You're perpetuating the myth that tune ups and moderates have to have less impact on a champion. If you mean that moderates and tune ups add less abilities to a champion then please clarify that, but as of now, you are being unclear and your post implies that the buff is not as impactful because it is a moderate or a tuneup.

Moderates and tune ups can still add fewer abilities to a champion and be a great buff.

Moleman got a tune up and he's a beast, DD HK got an overhaul and he's less appreciated.
What myth? It entirely depends on the Champ and what a values change will impact. Some Champs are significantly changed. Others are moderately affected. They're not all going to be groundbreaking.
…Exactly

Your post said the larger rework was Guilly, implying that the reason Thor’s seems less impactful to how good he will be is because his was the moderate, and not the rework.

Your post implied that moderate buffs are less impactful to how good a champion will be.

All I was doing was asking you to clarify that you didn’t mean moderate updates will be less impactful, since you’ve clarified that. Great, we agree.

In general, yes. They are. The more impactful ones will be fewer and far between.

GrandOldKai

This is why I wish they'd go back to having betas –so we can actually see the buff in action before they go live.

I'm not sure how to feel looking at these abilities on paper.

Mobile_P0tat0

I was about to rank him for prestige regardless, I'll take any buff on him I can get

Wicket329

One thing that I don’t think any of us have been accounting for is just how he feels to use. For example, I ranked up BWDO not because she’s a utility powerhouse, but because she’s just very fun. Those big bursty sp2s are immensely satisfying to throw.

If Thor Rags gets a similar kind of payoff after tossing an sp3, that may be all the justification a player needs to rank him. We won’t know until the update goes live, but I’ve got hope for it.

GroundedWisdom

This is becoming word soup. The values change buffs will not be as significant as the actual moderate or overhaul ones in general. Every once in a while you might have a values-change buff that seems quite impressive, but they will be few and far between. I.E. They won't all be Angela.

GrassKnuckles

It feels like a better Gamora buff since they took stuff in the awakened ability and put it in his base kit, giving him a new awakened ability

ThatOneMasterGamer

I did some testing. From what I see his synergy with the champion won't change, so I used it. Also I used a 6* rank 2.

Let's say that at sig 1 his increased Attack is 60%, which means the Gulk Synergy. A critical medium hit deals around 6k without Armor Breaks. If there's an Armor Break and Thor inflicts a Stun that means most likely around 23k a crit medium. Light attacks deal around 4.5k a crit so around 17k. The last hit of the sp 1 deals around 9k a crit so around 33k. Non Critical hits deal around half of these values.

Now let's talk about max sig. A crit medium deals 8.5k so around 31k. A crit light deals 5.5k so around 22.5 k. Last hit of sp 1 as a crit deals 11k so around 40k damage.

Keep in mind this damage is with only 1 Armor Break. With more of them and increased Potency this damage increases.

I have done multiple fights agains WS with two teams to most likely match his new buffed version. First team: The Champion and Gulk. Most times it ended in around 145 hits.
Second team: The Champion, Gulk, White Mags + Pre-Fight and K.O.-ed Fury. Most times it ended in around 125 hits.

Is he better in terms of damage? Yea because you don't need a whole team dedicated to him but you still need The Champion. Do I regret the message I sent before? No, the main reason is because of the small amount of utility. I do agree I was salty but I'm dissapointed by his little utillity.

altavista

I think that we all need to remember when Kabam announced doing monthly buffs last year, one of there focuses was helping progressing players… not end gamers. I think that is great and all, but so far, IMO anyway, we’ve gotten like 5-6 buffs in just under a year that actually impactful for Cav and beyond. It would be nice if more of these buffs made me want to use these champs in EQ or act 7.I would list the 5-6 I think that were useful for everyone , but no doubt that will just cause a ruckus and bickering.

For me, Thor’s buff would be awesome if I pulled him as one of my first 4* in act 3/4. For me now, my duped 5* will stay at r2 and my 6* will stay unleveled at r1.

Agreed. The majority of these buffs seem to be aimed at removing the sting of crystal openings (give or take your Diablos and Molegods) and allow for them to be useful for Acts 1-5.

For those that have a couple 5R5 or 6R1's, most of these don't move the needle (ie. Wouldn't choose to rank Thor Rag over the Skill champs they already have).

GroundedWisdom

This is becoming word soup. The values change buffs will not be as significant as the actual moderate or overhaul ones in general. Every once in a while you might have a values-change buff that seems quite impressive, but they will be few and far between. I.E. They won't all be Angela.
wait wait wait, this is the myth I was talking about. That is simply not true.

What do you mean every once in a while? 66% of tune ups have been successful and 70% of overhauls have too. In what world is 4% difference "every once in a while". If you disagree with my numbers and evaluation of which buffs are successful that's one thing, but to continue perpetuating this myth is an entirely separate matter.

I thought you meant the ability change is less significant, but by saying "They won't all be angela", you genuinely mean that tune ups are less significant in terms of overall use and increase in usability, don't you?

First of all, where are you getting your statistics and what are you calling successful? Secondly, I'm talking about values-only changes.
He literally explained where he got his numbers in a previous post...

Strike rate (amount of hits) isn't really a measurement that Kabam necessarily uses. They don't go into ROL and fight WS. That's neither here nor there.
I'm talking about the values-only buffs. Count the amount of values-only changes and the number that people consider a success, and you'll see they're fewer than the majority. Further to that, the best isn't a standard for all values-only buffs. They vary depending on how the values affect the Champs. Regardless, my comments stand. People can draw their own conclusions.

Total_Domin01

I would add that they tend to move the dupe power into their basic abilities

ShiroMikazuki

having a buffed thor rags is better than non

TrashyPanda

Still not worth t5b outside of prestige. Still a bitter-pill rank-up, even if his damage winds up being insane.

If he was gonna stay an sp3-rotation champion, his power gain should've been improved. Or make it where his power gain can't be messed with, though that would open a can of worms.

In any case, hard pass.