DO NOT USE AAR ON KANG, he wasn’t bug tested at all

Cain

Any type of AAR on Kang can cause your properly executed specials to literally blow up in your face. This has cost me 10+ revives already as well as having to disable assassin in my mastery.

This is pretty frustrating because you gotta make sure there’s zero chance of AAR on him (Hit Monkey’s disorient killed me…) pictures for proof….

Here’s me activating my SP2 when that was the task


Here’s the task turning red indicating I somehow failed it…..


And here’s Kabam taking my units for really no good reason…

Cain

Here is where falcon died because of assassin AAR…

Throw an SP3? No problem…


Here I go, I got this man…


Oh nvm I guess just take my units again 🤦🏼‍♂️

Worknprogress

It's almost like AAR does similar things all over the game...

Cain

Worknprogress said:

It's almost like AAR does similar things all over the game...

It’s almost like you know this doesn’t make sense but you love drama.

How does the opponent having their ability accuracy reduced mean my abilities fail. I’d love to watch the mental gymnastics routine, Simone Biles got nothing on you.

Cain

So you think Kabam intended to make this fight unplayable with any champs that reduce ability accuracy? And they intended that you could never reliably launch specials against a stunned opponent. They also intended to make everyone change their masteries if they had assassin on even though nothing like this interaction has ever been in the game.

It’s supposed to be an informative post so people realize it’s bugged and don’t get screwed like me. Please troll elsewhere, your reputation precedes you.

danielmath

Cain said:

So you think Kabam intended to make this fight unplayable with any champs that reduce ability accuracy? And they intended that you could never reliably launch specials against a stunned opponent. They also intended to make everyone change their masteries if they had assassin on even though nothing like this interaction has ever been in the game.

It’s supposed to be an informative post so people realize it’s bugged and don’t get screwed like me. Please troll elsewhere, your reputation precedes you.

Magneto works like this everywhere in the game

Cain

danielmath said:

Cain said:

So you think Kabam intended to make this fight unplayable with any champs that reduce ability accuracy? And they intended that you could never reliably launch specials against a stunned opponent. They also intended to make everyone change their masteries if they had assassin on even though nothing like this interaction has ever been in the game.

It’s supposed to be an informative post so people realize it’s bugged and don’t get screwed like me. Please troll elsewhere, your reputation precedes you.

Magneto works like this everywhere in the game

What do you mean? Magneto causes his own abilities to fail? Ability accuracy reduction affects the opponent right? So if Kangs ability accuracy is reduced, why are my abilities failing?

This would be like if Magneto can’t generate prowess because he’s against a metal champ and the code isn’t registering the metal champ was knocked down due to AAR. It’s a problem in the coding.

ItsDamien

Cain said:

danielmath said:

Cain said:

So you think Kabam intended to make this fight unplayable with any champs that reduce ability accuracy? And they intended that you could never reliably launch specials against a stunned opponent. They also intended to make everyone change their masteries if they had assassin on even though nothing like this interaction has ever been in the game.

It’s supposed to be an informative post so people realize it’s bugged and don’t get screwed like me. Please troll elsewhere, your reputation precedes you.

Magneto works like this everywhere in the game

What do you mean? Magneto causes his own abilities to fail? Ability accuracy reduction affects the opponent right? So if Kangs ability accuracy is reduced, why are my abilities failing?

Because AAR can positively and negatively affect you, especially when it comes to nodes. I haven’t looked at 7.3 yet, but if it’s a node interaction that is failing then that makes sense as to why AAR is causing an issue.

Cain

ItsDamien said:

Cain said:

danielmath said:

Cain said:

So you think Kabam intended to make this fight unplayable with any champs that reduce ability accuracy? And they intended that you could never reliably launch specials against a stunned opponent. They also intended to make everyone change their masteries if they had assassin on even though nothing like this interaction has ever been in the game.

It’s supposed to be an informative post so people realize it’s bugged and don’t get screwed like me. Please troll elsewhere, your reputation precedes you.

Magneto works like this everywhere in the game

What do you mean? Magneto causes his own abilities to fail? Ability accuracy reduction affects the opponent right? So if Kangs ability accuracy is reduced, why are my abilities failing?

Because AAR can positively and negatively affect you, especially when it comes to nodes. I haven’t looked at 7.3 yet, but if it’s a node interaction that is failing then that makes sense as to why AAR is causing an issue.

I’m not sure what you mean, that’s pretty vague. Again when has AAR on an opponent caused your own abilities to fail? Check out the fight on YouTube and I’m curious to hear what you think.

CoatHang3r

The interaction with AAR written in Kangs abilities…

ItsDamien

Cain said:

ItsDamien said:

Cain said:

danielmath said:

Cain said:

So you think Kabam intended to make this fight unplayable with any champs that reduce ability accuracy? And they intended that you could never reliably launch specials against a stunned opponent. They also intended to make everyone change their masteries if they had assassin on even though nothing like this interaction has ever been in the game.

It’s supposed to be an informative post so people realize it’s bugged and don’t get screwed like me. Please troll elsewhere, your reputation precedes you.

Magneto works like this everywhere in the game

What do you mean? Magneto causes his own abilities to fail? Ability accuracy reduction affects the opponent right? So if Kangs ability accuracy is reduced, why are my abilities failing?

Because AAR can positively and negatively affect you, especially when it comes to nodes. I haven’t looked at 7.3 yet, but if it’s a node interaction that is failing then that makes sense as to why AAR is causing an issue.

I’m not sure what you mean, that’s pretty vague. Again when has AAR on an opponent caused your own abilities to fail? Check out the fight on YouTube and I’m curious to hear what you think.

Again if it’s a node interaction AAR can reduce that from triggering because the node is considered the enemies ability, even if it benefits you. Like the Darkhawk SoP fight with Magneto. Every 5 hits you were supposed to get a buff that meant you could block unblockable specials, but Magnetos AAR reduced that chance and prevented the positive effect being placed on you.

rockykoston

ItsDamien said:

Cain said:

ItsDamien said:

Cain said:

danielmath said:

Cain said:

So you think Kabam intended to make this fight unplayable with any champs that reduce ability accuracy? And they intended that you could never reliably launch specials against a stunned opponent. They also intended to make everyone change their masteries if they had assassin on even though nothing like this interaction has ever been in the game.

It’s supposed to be an informative post so people realize it’s bugged and don’t get screwed like me. Please troll elsewhere, your reputation precedes you.

Magneto works like this everywhere in the game

What do you mean? Magneto causes his own abilities to fail? Ability accuracy reduction affects the opponent right? So if Kangs ability accuracy is reduced, why are my abilities failing?

Because AAR can positively and negatively affect you, especially when it comes to nodes. I haven’t looked at 7.3 yet, but if it’s a node interaction that is failing then that makes sense as to why AAR is causing an issue.

I’m not sure what you mean, that’s pretty vague. Again when has AAR on an opponent caused your own abilities to fail? Check out the fight on YouTube and I’m curious to hear what you think.

Again if it’s a node interaction AAR can reduce that from triggering because the node is considered the enemies ability, even if it benefits you. Like the Darkhawk SoP fight with Magneto. Every 5 hits you were supposed to get a buff that meant you could block unblockable specials, but Magnetos AAR reduced that chance and prevented the positive effect being placed on you.

In either case, I don't think that's how this fight is supposed to be then.

It'll be fixed.

Cain

The wording here says that when knocked down by a special attack corresponding to the selected bars powerloop is immediately removed and the opponent gains a power charge.

Now the wording on when the timer expires mentions ability accuracy but soon we will see that (at least in one case) this is irrelevant because the math still doesn’t add up.

First Hit Monkey


His disorient decreases defensive ability accuracy by 40%. Now I won’t say I know for sure whether it’s a flat percentage or taken off of the 140% chance to gain a charge, either way the wording is poor and below we will see it doesn’t even matter. So even disoriented Kang’s ability accuracy for this interaction should be either 140%-40% = 100% or 40% off of 140% which is 84%

Again at best this is saying that we agree on the interaction.

Now where it gets more interesting is with Falcon…we can see that Kang is not stunned when I launch the SP3 in the original post so no AAR there. I had one point in assassin so let’s see what that is…


12% AAR? So the ability accuracy should either be 128% by simple subtraction or 123.2% by taking 12% out of 140. So what gives there? Let’s double check Falcon wasn’t locked on (he wasn’t) and let’s see if there’s any AAR on his SP3 (there isn’t)


Something is not right.

Worknprogress

Cain said:

Worknprogress said:

It's almost like AAR does similar things all over the game...

It’s almost like you know this doesn’t make sense but you love drama.

How does the opponent having their ability accuracy reduced mean my abilities fail. I’d love to watch the mental gymnastics routine, Simone Biles got nothing on you.

Those aren't your abilities though. You gaining plor losing power in specials is tied to Kang's abilities. Just like when Domino fails matador, the game sees matador as an extension of the opponent abilities.

Worknprogress

Failing your own abilities would be if disorient stopped you from placing another disorient or failed a dex. Instead it failed something that's tied to Kang. That's how AAR works and why you don't use it when it can be detrimental

Cain

Worknprogress said:

Cain said:

Worknprogress said:

It's almost like AAR does similar things all over the game...

It’s almost like you know this doesn’t make sense but you love drama.

How does the opponent having their ability accuracy reduced mean my abilities fail. I’d love to watch the mental gymnastics routine, Simone Biles got nothing on you.

Those aren't your abilities though. You gaining plor losing power in specials is tied to Kang's abilities. Just like when Domino fails matador, the game sees matador as an extension of the opponent abilities.

Look at the detailed post I just made. It still doesn’t add up. The math for one point in assassin is certainly in favor of saying there’s something anomalous.

SkyLord7000

Probably should update Kang and make him AAR immune

Hilbert_unbeatable2

Cain said:

Any type of AAR on Kang can cause your properly executed specials to literally blow up in your face. This has cost me 10+ revives already as well as having to disable assassin in my mastery.

This is pretty frustrating because you gotta make sure there’s zero chance of AAR on him (Hit Monkey’s disorient killed me…) pictures for proof….

Here’s me activating my SP2 when that was the task


Here’s the task turning red indicating I somehow failed it…..


And here’s Kabam taking my units for really no good reason…

It's not your abilities
It's kangs ability of selecting number
In 7.3.1 I used red mags and domino at special delivery matador node, matador kept failing
Aar affects nodes too
There is plenty of time when domino failed to gain fury passive in cav EQ
However I do think it would be cool if big bosses would have ability accuracy reduction immune and power control Immune

Cain

Also it seems odd that it says clearly that when he’s knocked down by the proper special that powerloop is “immediately” removed and the opponent gains a power charge. Whereas simply being at the proper power level distinctly mentions ability accuracy, it’s clear they are two distinct separate points in the way it’s worded.

(And again even if I’m completely wrong the math still doesn’t add up for Falcon)

Cain

Then there’s this interaction where someone used Starky SP3 (causing ensnare which is AAR) then Kang was wounded but not stunned. So they got the charge and didn’t receive damage but Kang was only half wounded? I highly doubt that’s intended. He’s either wounded or he’s not? Right?

chaos12996

Cain said:

Then there’s this interaction where someone used Starky SP3 (causing ensnare which is AAR) then Kang was wounded but not stunned. So they got the charge and didn’t receive damage but Kang was only half wounded? I highly doubt that’s intended. He’s either wounded or he’s not? Right?

Thats a linked node bro where he isnt stunned in wounded phase

chaos12996

Also it is mentioned in his text that if power charge fails to trigger due to aar u take damage. Its not like they are sneaky with it

chaos12996

Kang has very low stun duration . so I dont see pacify coming into play. Also i did it 6 times and never once did assasin mastery come into play. I can see how it can affect though but very low chance. And AAR reduction champs straight up are not reliable for that fight.
Ps i also went in with magneto and died. Then read his text haha

ExHavok

The description is really really bad.
If they don't gain one or it fails due to CHANCE, they instead take damage X amount.

It could be something like this ;
If they don't gain one or it fails due to any Ability Accuracy Reduction ( pasify,assassin,disorient ), they instead take damage X amount.

I really hate changing my all masteries for ONE fight. This is neither fair nor fun. You need to reset all of you mastery and then you need to put all points where they belong and spend units for not getting wrecked because of assassin. The fight is already hard as it is, including something like this feels like 6.2 kind design. Hate this. If they can make "The taken damage" unaffected by AAR they can definitely make special attacks missions unaffected too.

There are other problems with this fight too. Firstly sometimes even if Kang gets wounded he is not stunned. Don't believe me ? There you go ;
https://youtu.be/30V9t_kiX5U?t=17133

Secondly, he has limber in his kit but I never saw anyone or any abilities can decrease Passive Stun timer. Even worse only way you can stop the power loop timer is knocking him with heavy. You can't parry with active or passive stuns after some of them and u sure can't punish his heavy with most of the champions AND he has a node that decreases the power loop timer. Maybe you think those are not that big of a problems but when u combined all of this with recent AI ( passive, hold block, dash back dash forward, more block, hold block, block and block ) u get yourself a very cute nightmare.

Here is the summary of Kang fight ;
They took most of the things from Gwenmaster that makes her a perfectly designed fight ( all intercepts stops the timer, Stealthy's passive fury pause kit ). Changed her skin and animations + they added all new kit that none of us can tell which ones are affected by AAR and wreck us + changed wounded from Grandmaster and made that one affected by AAR as well. All of this combined with Parry/Dex issues made Kang fight a really weird one.

Cain

chaos12996 said:

Also it is mentioned in his text that if power charge fails to trigger due to aar u take damage. Its not like they are sneaky with it

Did you read anything about the math and how that’s statistically not possible with one point in assassin?

Also it only mentions that for when you are at the power level, it uses clearly different wording for when you launch the special.

Further, is there any penalty for throwing a special that isn’t prompted? No there isn’t so if that’s the case it should just give you the remaining time to try to do the prompt…

For example if you need to launch a SP1 you can launch your SP2 to shed some power and you take no damage. So why is the prompt immediately failing it’s just wrong. Even if you disagree the math for one point in assassin makes zero sense…right?

chaos12996

Cain said:

chaos12996 said:

Also it is mentioned in his text that if power charge fails to trigger due to aar u take damage. Its not like they are sneaky with it

Did you read anything about the math and how that’s statistically not possible with one point in assassin?

Also it only mentions that for when you are at the power level, it uses clearly different wording for when you launch the special.

Further, is there any penalty for throwing a special that isn’t prompted? No there isn’t so if that’s the case it should just give you the remaining time to try to do the prompt…

For example if you need to launch a SP1 you can launch your SP2 to shed some power and you take no damage. So why is the prompt immediately failing it’s just wrong. Even if you disagree the math for one point in assassin makes zero sense…right?

I did use different special to the prompt several times and it did not fail for me. It only failed for me when the prompt timer expired and my power wasnt matching the prompt.

StevieManWonder

On a related note, if you are using awakened KG make sure that you don’t throw a special in his second phase when malice is ending because you have a 60% chance of losing it and the regen for the rest of the fight.

Mr_Platypus

This is a very long winded way of saying “I don’t know how ability accuracy affects beneficial effects on my own champions when they come from nodes or opponents abilities”.

Like come on, you seriously saying you’ve never tried something like magneto vs matador node and not gained power because you’ve shut down the node? These sorts of interactions are nothing new, irritating, but nothing new.

AverageDesi

Worknprogress said:

It's almost like AAR does similar things all over the game...

I'd love to see you use AAR to skip grandmasters phases or gwenmasters. Champ bosses like this, hell even EQ bosses have AAR immunity for their stages

H3t3r

chaos12996 said:

Cain said:

Then there’s this interaction where someone used Starky SP3 (causing ensnare which is AAR) then Kang was wounded but not stunned. So they got the charge and didn’t receive damage but Kang was only half wounded? I highly doubt that’s intended. He’s either wounded or he’s not? Right?

Thats a linked node bro where he isnt stunned in wounded phase

Except the other wounded phases before that he was stunned.

Chikel

Mr_Platypus said:

This is a very long winded way of saying “I don’t know how ability accuracy affects beneficial effects on my own champions when they come from nodes or opponents abilities”.

Like come on, you seriously saying you’ve never tried something like magneto vs matador node and not gained power because you’ve shut down the node? These sorts of interactions are nothing new, irritating, but nothing new.

And you clearly didn't read the rest of his comments because the math doesn't make sense.