What is also sad on top of @Werewrym getting shafted by the bug and Kabam acting like it would not have mattered (right... - who knows what would have happened in the 3rd fight)... Kabam can't get his name right (Werewrym) for the life of them...
Original Twitter post spelt wrong:
Then both Diggity Dave and Kabam John saying "Where worm" over and over. 😅. It's pronounced like "Where rim"
It’s a shame. And no one could have seen this type of thing coming.
Dr. Zola
Kabam purposely used an older version of the game for whatever reasons. They should have checked the bugs that were present then and tried to fix it
This isn't quite right. When a Server Side fix is made, it has to be made to every server individually, and unfortunately, this one was missed. We didn't purposely use an older version of the game.
I do feel really bad for Werewrym on this one. He chose a great counter for P2099, but lost due to a bug.
Except…. In your statement about it earlier you said, and I quote “ The bug was not caught until the series was over, but due to the fact that we do not believe it would have changed the outcome in selecting the winner, we did not re-do the series.”
Sooo…. Is it he chose a great counter and could have done it but lost due to a bug, OR is it “we do not believe this would have changed the outcome…”???
What a complete and total mess, and it is being double-talked out of the conversation. In my opinion.
The outcome of the fight wouldn't have affected the outcome of the entire series, where Happy McMuffins swept all of his fights. We're not happy about this either, but made the decision to move forward since it was not noticed until the entire series had wrapped.
I’m seriously dubt and start to not hav faithful in Kabam with your words of course there’s should had been rematch and that’s also giv you times to fixed your scores systems also the spite node has a just stupid in my eys wast as fun to watch as last year where’s where what’s that’s sracp ?
Would love to point out this thing as well 2nd round of I'm bleh vs happy mcmuffins, bleh did more damage than muffins but he post that round cuz of timer. So if u die soon u get more points? This is terrible stuff, I suppose the damage dealt should be primary measure
Look, the kid lost a video game contest. No lives were lost. Don't act like this is the end of the world.
On the one hand, I agree with you. It really is just a game and sometimes stuff happens. On the other hand, this is the most competitive thing in the game and we all are here becuase we take this game seriously, so its a shame that a bug interfered with my possible chances of winning. Kabam was super nice to me about the whole thing and gave me compensation for it, so I'm not mad, or upset, just disappointed.
I will probably do a write up later about my experience with the summoner showdown (which on the whole was a positive one).
It’s a shame. And no one could have seen this type of thing coming.
Dr. Zola
Kabam purposely used an older version of the game for whatever reasons. They should have checked the bugs that were present then and tried to fix it
This isn't quite right. When a Server Side fix is made, it has to be made to every server individually, and unfortunately, this one was missed. We didn't purposely use an older version of the game.
I do feel really bad for Werewrym on this one. He chose a great counter for P2099, but lost due to a bug.
Except…. In your statement about it earlier you said, and I quote “ The bug was not caught until the series was over, but due to the fact that we do not believe it would have changed the outcome in selecting the winner, we did not re-do the series.”
Sooo…. Is it he chose a great counter and could have done it but lost due to a bug, OR is it “we do not believe this would have changed the outcome…”???
What a complete and total mess, and it is being double-talked out of the conversation. In my opinion.
The outcome of the fight wouldn't have affected the outcome of the entire series, where Happy McMuffins swept all of his fights. We're not happy about this either, but made the decision to move forward since it was not noticed until the entire series had wrapped.
@Kabam Miike This scoring is better be fixed in the new 1v1 mode. it just doesn't make sense. The fighting time only should come into play if both players defeated the opponent or took down same percentage of health.
I’m really impressed with the players in the showdown. Great attitude, amazing skills. The problem is how horrendous the tournament was run. Fights were clearly awarded to the wrong competitor, as the scoring system was a mess/plain insanity/obviously wrong. I just can’t believe you get more points for being killed quicker, it’s unbelievably stupid. Why? How? What? It’s the opposite of skill. Just 15 mins with a pen and paper and any player can come up with something better.
I don’t understand why kabam weren’t embarrassed to show it. Surely everyone watching just thought it looked so unprofessional that kabam don’t understand their own game to the point they can’t run their own game mode! It’s a multi million dollar generating game, how can it be so badly run? Where have all the clever people gone that set this game up? The inmates are running the asylum. Who runs this madness!?!? I can only imagine what dorky and John actually wanted to say in commentary, the poor guys having to commentate on that and not allowed to apologise to the players.
Tbh, my biggest concern is the Game mode was not great, with fights sometimes won/lost dependant by AI interaction rather than true drafting and fight skill. I just feel so sorry for the guys who poured hours of effort into it, and kabams setup made it not a fun fight to watch. Great players, but a huge opportunity missed to showcase some amazing fights. Every player had insane skill, but it’s almost to the point it’s overshadowed by kabams dodgy implementation, as always. Please guys, if something is clearly broke or not very good - just fix it, stop running with whatever you happen to have at the time. last years tournament was great, I hope they rewatch it and realise where they went wrong this year.
Just on the scoring system, I think I know a solution. Hear me out...
There's a slight problem even using fight time as a tie break. It's geared to score higher the shorter the fight (assumedly an oversight which automatically assumed the attacker would win). Now even if this were a tie-breaker it would still seem unfair. Both challengers do equal damage to the defender but the guy who dies fastest wins via tie-break? That still doesn't sound right... So here's the proposition...
There's 3 score measures: - Att health - Def Health - Time There's 3 fight outcomes: - Attacker KO - Defender KO - Timeout
These tie up nicely so that whatever the outcome, you can be scored on 2 factors. If you timeout, you score on both health bars, if you win you score on own health & time, if you lose you score on Def health & time...
Here's the bit they got wrong... If you win, speed of victory should be a point scoring bonus. If you lose then speed of defeat should be a PENALTY DEDUCTION.
So here's how those 3 outcomes would be scored:
1) ATTACKER KO: (null measure) = Att health remaining Points awarded for Def health lost Points deducted for speed of defeat
2) DEFENDER KO: (null measure) = Def Health remaining Points awarded for Att health remaining Points awarded for speed of victory
3) TIMEOUT (null measure) = Speed of fight Points awarded for Att health remaining Points awarded for Def health lost
I feel this could work and the main problem witnessed with using the clock as a scoring mechanism was that it hadn't been thought out what the consequence would be if the Attacker died. All it needed to be in this instance was a penalty and not a bonus.
@Kabam Miike Fight Duration should only be considered when an attacker beats the defender 100% as an aditional bonus score. If they didnt beat the defender, it should be 0.
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Original Twitter post spelt wrong:
Then both Diggity Dave and Kabam John saying "Where worm" over and over. 😅. It's pronounced like "Where rim"
2nd round of I'm bleh vs happy mcmuffins, bleh did more damage than muffins but he post that round cuz of timer. So if u die soon u get more points?
This is terrible stuff, I suppose the damage dealt should be primary measure
Is it only me who's confused with this?
The problem is how horrendous the tournament was run.
Fights were clearly awarded to the wrong competitor, as the scoring system was a mess/plain insanity/obviously wrong. I just can’t believe you get more points for being killed quicker, it’s unbelievably stupid. Why? How? What? It’s the opposite of skill. Just 15 mins with a pen and paper and any player can come up with something better.
I don’t understand why kabam weren’t embarrassed to show it. Surely everyone watching just thought it looked so unprofessional that kabam don’t understand their own game to the point they can’t run their own game mode! It’s a multi million dollar generating game, how can it be so badly run? Where have all the clever people gone that set this game up?
The inmates are running the asylum.
Who runs this madness!?!?
I can only imagine what dorky and John actually wanted to say in commentary, the poor guys having to commentate on that and not allowed to apologise to the players.
Tbh, my biggest concern is the Game mode was not great, with fights sometimes won/lost dependant by AI interaction rather than true drafting and fight skill.
I just feel so sorry for the guys who poured hours of effort into it, and kabams setup made it not a fun fight to watch. Great players, but a huge opportunity missed to showcase some amazing fights.
Every player had insane skill, but it’s almost to the point it’s overshadowed by kabams dodgy implementation, as always.
Please guys, if something is clearly broke or not very good - just fix it, stop running with whatever you happen to have at the time.
last years tournament was great, I hope they rewatch it and realise where they went wrong this year.
There's a slight problem even using fight time as a tie break. It's geared to score higher the shorter the fight (assumedly an oversight which automatically assumed the attacker would win). Now even if this were a tie-breaker it would still seem unfair. Both challengers do equal damage to the defender but the guy who dies fastest wins via tie-break? That still doesn't sound right... So here's the proposition...
There's 3 score measures:
- Att health
- Def Health
- Time
There's 3 fight outcomes:
- Attacker KO
- Defender KO
- Timeout
These tie up nicely so that whatever the outcome, you can be scored on 2 factors. If you timeout, you score on both health bars, if you win you score on own health & time, if you lose you score on Def health & time...
Here's the bit they got wrong... If you win, speed of victory should be a point scoring bonus. If you lose then speed of defeat should be a PENALTY DEDUCTION.
So here's how those 3 outcomes would be scored:
1) ATTACKER KO:
(null measure) = Att health remaining
Points awarded for Def health lost
Points deducted for speed of defeat
2) DEFENDER KO:
(null measure) = Def Health remaining
Points awarded for Att health remaining
Points awarded for speed of victory
3) TIMEOUT
(null measure) = Speed of fight
Points awarded for Att health remaining
Points awarded for Def health lost
I feel this could work and the main problem witnessed with using the clock as a scoring mechanism was that it hadn't been thought out what the consequence would be if the Attacker died. All it needed to be in this instance was a penalty and not a bonus.
I really loved how Kabam team decided to give more points when you die faster without HP left on enemy Relevance.
This showdown is really sad.
And don't even start with the nodes.