New negative trend

Kerneas

I feel like there is a new trend that the devs are creating. The need of a specific counter. It began with Cav EQ, that is fine, multiple sets of nodes and if you are Cav and higher, it is very likely that you have at least one counter.
Then came last month SQ. There it became worse, because you needed a fairly specific counters. For ex Venompool needed reliable heal reversal or insane damage. It wasn't too bad, but started getting worse.
And now there is V8 Venompool with extremely low amount of counters.

I understand that V8 is gonna be fixed, but I would like to ask the devs to terminate this trend. Act 7 shows clearly, that you can do better. You can create a challenge that's based on skill and not just (not) having the specific champion. So please stick to creating challenges that require skill, rather than limiting player progress this way.

Mauled

I think that there is a balance to be had. There does need to be an element of gating by roster development as well as skill otherwise you could just bang through the whole game in a couple of months. I do agree though that the ‘gating’ shouldn’t be quite as limiting as it is in this case.

When you limit a whole quest line by a single tag the quests need to be appropriate to that tag, and Merc is a tag that has damage in bucketloads - Domino, Massacre, Nebula, for example, but doesn’t have a huge amount of utility built into it. Making the required utility something like Arc Overload would be ok, requiring debuffs that are instantly shrugged when only one tagged champion can even loosely do this, is not.

I think it speaks to ignorance rather than punitive design in this case, as there have been good strides forward in quest design since Act 6. That being said, the last people I’d expect to be ignorant about champion and node interactions are the devs and QAs (if the latter exist).

odishika123

Fighting terrax 5 times wasn't fun

Kerneas

Mauled said:

I think that there is a balance to be had. There does need to be an element of gating by roster development as well as skill otherwise you could just bang through the whole game in a couple of months. I do agree though that the ‘gating’ shouldn’t be quite as limiting as it is in this case.

When you limit a whole quest line by a single tag the quests need to be appropriate to that tag, and Merc is a tag that has damage in bucketloads - Domino, Massacre, Nebula, for example, but doesn’t have a huge amount of utility built into it. Making the required utility something like Arc Overload would be ok, requiring debuffs that are instantly shrugged when only one tagged champion can even loosely do this, is not.

I think it speaks to ignorance rather than punitive design in this case, as there have been good strides forward in quest design since Act 6. That being said, the last people I’d expect to be ignorant about champion and node interactions are the devs and QAs (if the latter exist).

Agreed. That is why I think Cav EQ is fine. Because it needs some diversity, but not insame amounts. For example the skill evade nodes need Shock, Disorient or evade counter. Pretty much half of skill champs have at least one of those. It is an extreme case (very benevolent gating), but still proves that certain extent of gating is perfectly fine, if not necessary (just as you said).

unoobmepro

Will there ever be a positive thread?

Tesladon

Got to have a specific counter (unless that counter is Quake or Ghost [because that would be awful]).

Nalak8

unoobmepro said:

Will there ever be a positive thread?

Only if Kabam throws us some awesome deals like the Gold for nexus offers a month or two ago to distract us from the poor state of the game.

Mauled

unoobmepro said:

Will there ever be a positive thread?

There have been plenty, in fairness Kabam’s triumphs are celebrated but recently there hasn’t been a lot that’s warranted it beyond oh I pulled champion X I’m happy now.

unoobmepro

Mauled said:

unoobmepro said:

Will there ever be a positive thread?

There have been plenty, in fairness Kabam’s triumphs are celebrated but recently there hasn’t been a lot that’s warranted it beyond oh I pulled champion X I’m happy now.

I hope this Christmas there's an enjoyable and rewarding event quest and side quest!

Kerneas

unoobmepro said:

Will there ever be a positive thread?

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/281668/thumbs-up-for-week-4-objectives#latest

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/272303/my-fave-part-of-cav-eqs#latest

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/258616/i-love-howard-buff#latest

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/237153/why-is-dd-hk-actually-a-great-overhaul-imho#latest

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/206476/free-promo-champ#latest

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/180475/lunar-event-a-very-pleasant-surprise#latest

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/126508/2-captain-marvel-appretiation#latest

Those are my positive discussions. I also make sure to leave a positive comment whenever I like something. And when I don't, I do say it.