Not even considering what comics say(old debate of whether ghost should be countered by daredevil), he really, REALLY doesn't need it.
Why would Daredevil be able to counter Ghost? Daredevil can counter Hood and Invisible Woman because they're going Invisible to make the opponent Miss which doesn't matter to Daredevil because that only affects sight, Ghost is Phasing between Dimensions to make her opponents Miss so Daredevil's Punched would go through her like any other Champion.
Why can human torch or nick fury punch ghost? It’s in their abilities just like daredevil
That's different, it's a Game Mechanic. (Although that too can have Some Reasoning made if you think about it) Daredevil can hit *Invisible People* because he's Blind and has Extra Sensory Abilities that allow him to "Sense" people's Location through their Breathe, Heartbeat, Movement, ect. That doesn't mean he can punch people that are Phased Out Of His Dimension!
And daredevil got buffed so now he counters miss? I don’t see how that’s different to any other champ that counters it
And did you just say that daredevil hitting ghost wasn’t a game mechanic lmao
Yes because I was unaware they made that change, I thought people were arguing for it to be added not for it to stay. Either way he should not be able to counter Ghost's Miss because it's not like the others' that is specifically Invisibility...
Nick fury’s description: can not be missed Daredevils description: can not be missed
He should be able to counter ghost if most of the other champs that have miss countering should be able to. You can’t say one is correct and the other isn’t
Because Daredevil is reasonably way behind the Technological Help Nick Fury could get from being the Head of s.h.i.e.l.d.
Why is Kraven able to miss usually, but if he brings his pal Venompool or Agent venom with him suddenly he’s able to bypass miss?
Not even considering what comics say(old debate of whether ghost should be countered by daredevil), he really, REALLY doesn't need it.
Why would Daredevil be able to counter Ghost? Daredevil can counter Hood and Invisible Woman because they're going Invisible to make the opponent Miss which doesn't matter to Daredevil because that only affects sight, Ghost is Phasing between Dimensions to make her opponents Miss so Daredevil's Punched would go through her like any other Champion.
Why can human torch or nick fury punch ghost? It’s in their abilities just like daredevil
That's different, it's a Game Mechanic. (Although that too can have Some Reasoning made if you think about it) Daredevil can hit *Invisible People* because he's Blind and has Extra Sensory Abilities that allow him to "Sense" people's Location through their Breathe, Heartbeat, Movement, ect. That doesn't mean he can punch people that are Phased Out Of His Dimension!
And daredevil got buffed so now he counters miss? I don’t see how that’s different to any other champ that counters it
And did you just say that daredevil hitting ghost wasn’t a game mechanic lmao
Yes because I was unaware they made that change, I thought people were arguing for it to be added not for it to stay. Either way he should not be able to counter Ghost's Miss because it's not like the others' that is specifically Invisibility...
You’re conflating two different scenarios.
Originally there was an Easter egg that Daredevil could bypass invisibility, like Hood and IW. But the devs decided both Daredevils could use a little buff with that in mind, so they were updated to have a game mechanic where they bypassed all miss.
Right now, you’re arguing that torch should bypass miss because he gets really hot, but it’s a step too far for daredevil to bypass miss because he’s blind.
CGR makes sense to bypass miss because he shoots his guns and hits his opponent in a very specific order, but it’s a step too far for daredevil to bypass miss because he’s blind.
Kraven can’t usually bypass miss, but if he’s stood with Venompool or Agent venom then it absolutely makes sense for him to hit ghost while she’s phasing just because one of those guys tagged along, but, it’s absolutely too far to let daredevil bypass miss because he’s blind.
It’s a game ability my guy, you’re applying logic to a game that fundamentally doesn’t work on logic. How can daredevil punch the hulk and survive getting punched back? You can’t pick and choose where you apply your logic.
If you want an explanation, all the champions have been fed ISO, which is a real canon explanation for why real universe logic doesn’t work in a game where you can use a duck to beat up a duck mixed with a symbiote
I never said Daredevil shouldn't be able to Bypass Miss in general, don't know where you got that from, I'm saying it's too far for him to be able to hit Specifically Ghost (and Kitty Pride for that matter)'s Miss which is Phasing Through The Punches. Meanwhile the likes Invisible Woman and Hood are still present there but just Invisible to the naked eye which Daredevil of course ignores because he is Blind as well has the Extra Sensory Abilities to detect them without sight.
His ability is that he counters all miss. Nothing more and nothing less. Deal with it. He has iso-8 in him like @BitterSteel said and that is actually canon in this universe. That’s how for example Hawkeye and black widow don’t just simply die instantly to many champs in here like they should
Yes I know that, I use that example all the time, and whether it was changed or not I don't have to deal with I because I'm simply disagreeing with the ability being extended to that degree.
Not even considering what comics say(old debate of whether ghost should be countered by daredevil), he really, REALLY doesn't need it.
Why would Daredevil be able to counter Ghost? Daredevil can counter Hood and Invisible Woman because they're going Invisible to make the opponent Miss which doesn't matter to Daredevil because that only affects sight, Ghost is Phasing between Dimensions to make her opponents Miss so Daredevil's Punched would go through her like any other Champion.
Why can human torch or nick fury punch ghost? It’s in their abilities just like daredevil
That's different, it's a Game Mechanic. (Although that too can have Some Reasoning made if you think about it) Daredevil can hit *Invisible People* because he's Blind and has Extra Sensory Abilities that allow him to "Sense" people's Location through their Breathe, Heartbeat, Movement, ect. That doesn't mean he can punch people that are Phased Out Of His Dimension!
And daredevil got buffed so now he counters miss? I don’t see how that’s different to any other champ that counters it
And did you just say that daredevil hitting ghost wasn’t a game mechanic lmao
Yes because I was unaware they made that change, I thought people were arguing for it to be added not for it to stay. Either way he should not be able to counter Ghost's Miss because it's not like the others' that is specifically Invisibility...
Nick fury’s description: can not be missed Daredevils description: can not be missed
He should be able to counter ghost if most of the other champs that have miss countering should be able to. You can’t say one is correct and the other isn’t
Because Daredevil is reasonably way behind the Technological Help Nick Fury could get from being the Head of s.h.i.e.l.d.
Why is Kraven able to miss usually, but if he brings his pal Venompool or Agent venom with him suddenly he’s able to bypass miss?
Why could Traps latch onto someone like Man-Thing who regularly tears off his own Arm like it's nothing, I'm not saying they never suspend disbelief but the jump from Daredevil being able to ignore Invisible Miss to ignore All Miss is something I disagree with.
Not even considering what comics say(old debate of whether ghost should be countered by daredevil), he really, REALLY doesn't need it.
Why would Daredevil be able to counter Ghost? Daredevil can counter Hood and Invisible Woman because they're going Invisible to make the opponent Miss which doesn't matter to Daredevil because that only affects sight, Ghost is Phasing between Dimensions to make her opponents Miss so Daredevil's Punched would go through her like any other Champion.
Why can human torch or nick fury punch ghost? It’s in their abilities just like daredevil
That's different, it's a Game Mechanic. (Although that too can have Some Reasoning made if you think about it) Daredevil can hit *Invisible People* because he's Blind and has Extra Sensory Abilities that allow him to "Sense" people's Location through their Breathe, Heartbeat, Movement, ect. That doesn't mean he can punch people that are Phased Out Of His Dimension!
And daredevil got buffed so now he counters miss? I don’t see how that’s different to any other champ that counters it
And did you just say that daredevil hitting ghost wasn’t a game mechanic lmao
Yes because I was unaware they made that change, I thought people were arguing for it to be added not for it to stay. Either way he should not be able to counter Ghost's Miss because it's not like the others' that is specifically Invisibility...
Nick fury’s description: can not be missed Daredevils description: can not be missed
He should be able to counter ghost if most of the other champs that have miss countering should be able to. You can’t say one is correct and the other isn’t
Because Daredevil is reasonably way behind the Technological Help Nick Fury could get from being the Head of s.h.i.e.l.d.
Why is Kraven able to miss usually, but if he brings his pal Venompool or Agent venom with him suddenly he’s able to bypass miss?
Why could Traps latch onto someone like Man-Thing who regularly tears off his own Arm like it's nothing, I'm not saying they never suspend disbelief but the jump from Daredevil being able to ignore Invisible Miss to ignore All Miss is something I disagree with.
Exactly, so you see why it’s a bit much to pick and choose which logical inconsistencies there are?
It’s literally just an ability. You’re deciding you disagree with daredevil bypassing miss, when it’s absolutely fine for torch to do so because he gets really hot. If Ghost is in a different phase of reality how can her atoms be vibrated to make her get hot?
I just wish people stopped trying to apply logic where it doesn’t fit.
Not even considering what comics say(old debate of whether ghost should be countered by daredevil), he really, REALLY doesn't need it.
Why would Daredevil be able to counter Ghost? Daredevil can counter Hood and Invisible Woman because they're going Invisible to make the opponent Miss which doesn't matter to Daredevil because that only affects sight, Ghost is Phasing between Dimensions to make her opponents Miss so Daredevil's Punched would go through her like any other Champion.
Why can human torch or nick fury punch ghost? It’s in their abilities just like daredevil
That's different, it's a Game Mechanic. (Although that too can have Some Reasoning made if you think about it) Daredevil can hit *Invisible People* because he's Blind and has Extra Sensory Abilities that allow him to "Sense" people's Location through their Breathe, Heartbeat, Movement, ect. That doesn't mean he can punch people that are Phased Out Of His Dimension!
And daredevil got buffed so now he counters miss? I don’t see how that’s different to any other champ that counters it
And did you just say that daredevil hitting ghost wasn’t a game mechanic lmao
Yes because I was unaware they made that change, I thought people were arguing for it to be added not for it to stay. Either way he should not be able to counter Ghost's Miss because it's not like the others' that is specifically Invisibility...
Nick fury’s description: can not be missed Daredevils description: can not be missed
He should be able to counter ghost if most of the other champs that have miss countering should be able to. You can’t say one is correct and the other isn’t
Because Daredevil is reasonably way behind the Technological Help Nick Fury could get from being the Head of s.h.i.e.l.d.
Why is Kraven able to miss usually, but if he brings his pal Venompool or Agent venom with him suddenly he’s able to bypass miss?
Why could Traps latch onto someone like Man-Thing who regularly tears off his own Arm like it's nothing, I'm not saying they never suspend disbelief but the jump from Daredevil being able to ignore Invisible Miss to ignore All Miss is something I disagree with.
And you never actually answered my question. Why does Kraven bypass miss when he brings certain champions with him ?
Are you ok with that because it doesn’t give an explanation? So if daredevil didn’t have the miss counter because of his enhanced sensory system would it be fine?
Not even considering what comics say(old debate of whether ghost should be countered by daredevil), he really, REALLY doesn't need it.
Why would Daredevil be able to counter Ghost? Daredevil can counter Hood and Invisible Woman because they're going Invisible to make the opponent Miss which doesn't matter to Daredevil because that only affects sight, Ghost is Phasing between Dimensions to make her opponents Miss so Daredevil's Punched would go through her like any other Champion.
Why can human torch or nick fury punch ghost? It’s in their abilities just like daredevil
That's different, it's a Game Mechanic. (Although that too can have Some Reasoning made if you think about it) Daredevil can hit *Invisible People* because he's Blind and has Extra Sensory Abilities that allow him to "Sense" people's Location through their Breathe, Heartbeat, Movement, ect. That doesn't mean he can punch people that are Phased Out Of His Dimension!
And daredevil got buffed so now he counters miss? I don’t see how that’s different to any other champ that counters it
And did you just say that daredevil hitting ghost wasn’t a game mechanic lmao
Yes because I was unaware they made that change, I thought people were arguing for it to be added not for it to stay. Either way he should not be able to counter Ghost's Miss because it's not like the others' that is specifically Invisibility...
Nick fury’s description: can not be missed Daredevils description: can not be missed
He should be able to counter ghost if most of the other champs that have miss countering should be able to. You can’t say one is correct and the other isn’t
Because Daredevil is reasonably way behind the Technological Help Nick Fury could get from being the Head of s.h.i.e.l.d.
Why is Kraven able to miss usually, but if he brings his pal Venompool or Agent venom with him suddenly he’s able to bypass miss?
Why could Traps latch onto someone like Man-Thing who regularly tears off his own Arm like it's nothing, I'm not saying they never suspend disbelief but the jump from Daredevil being able to ignore Invisible Miss to ignore All Miss is something I disagree with.
And you never actually answered my question. Why does Kraven bypass miss when he brings certain champions with him ?
Are you ok with that because it doesn’t give an explanation? So if daredevil didn’t have the miss counter because of his enhanced sensory system would it be fine?
My response was the "I'm not saying they never suspend disbelief" you would have to suspend disbelief for Kraven to be able to gain an Ability from just having Friends nearby, I'm just saying I disagree with the change from the Pre-Existing "DD Ignores Invisible Miss" to "DD Ignores All Miss" when they're specifically saying it's because of his Extra Sensory Abilities even though that wouldn't affect Abilities that change the Opponent's Tangibility. (Because they specifically said that was the cause for the counter that's what makes it feel wrong)
Not even considering what comics say(old debate of whether ghost should be countered by daredevil), he really, REALLY doesn't need it.
Why would Daredevil be able to counter Ghost? Daredevil can counter Hood and Invisible Woman because they're going Invisible to make the opponent Miss which doesn't matter to Daredevil because that only affects sight, Ghost is Phasing between Dimensions to make her opponents Miss so Daredevil's Punched would go through her like any other Champion.
Why can human torch or nick fury punch ghost? It’s in their abilities just like daredevil
That's different, it's a Game Mechanic. (Although that too can have Some Reasoning made if you think about it) Daredevil can hit *Invisible People* because he's Blind and has Extra Sensory Abilities that allow him to "Sense" people's Location through their Breathe, Heartbeat, Movement, ect. That doesn't mean he can punch people that are Phased Out Of His Dimension!
And daredevil got buffed so now he counters miss? I don’t see how that’s different to any other champ that counters it
And did you just say that daredevil hitting ghost wasn’t a game mechanic lmao
Yes because I was unaware they made that change, I thought people were arguing for it to be added not for it to stay. Either way he should not be able to counter Ghost's Miss because it's not like the others' that is specifically Invisibility...
Nick fury’s description: can not be missed Daredevils description: can not be missed
He should be able to counter ghost if most of the other champs that have miss countering should be able to. You can’t say one is correct and the other isn’t
Because Daredevil is reasonably way behind the Technological Help Nick Fury could get from being the Head of s.h.i.e.l.d.
Why is Kraven able to miss usually, but if he brings his pal Venompool or Agent venom with him suddenly he’s able to bypass miss?
Why could Traps latch onto someone like Man-Thing who regularly tears off his own Arm like it's nothing, I'm not saying they never suspend disbelief but the jump from Daredevil being able to ignore Invisible Miss to ignore All Miss is something I disagree with.
Exactly, so you see why it’s a bit much to pick and choose which logical inconsistencies there are?
It’s literally just an ability. You’re deciding you disagree with daredevil bypassing miss, when it’s absolutely fine for torch to do so because he gets really hot. If Ghost is in a different phase of reality how can her atoms be vibrated to make her get hot?
I just wish people stopped trying to apply logic where it doesn’t fit.
Not joking Torch's Flames have Pierced Dimensions before, and I'm not hung up on the Logic, I'm disagreeing with the explanation they give now. By DD Description's Logic, Wolverine's Hightend Senses should allow him to ignore Miss as well even though that'd make no sense.
Not even considering what comics say(old debate of whether ghost should be countered by daredevil), he really, REALLY doesn't need it.
Why would Daredevil be able to counter Ghost? Daredevil can counter Hood and Invisible Woman because they're going Invisible to make the opponent Miss which doesn't matter to Daredevil because that only affects sight, Ghost is Phasing between Dimensions to make her opponents Miss so Daredevil's Punched would go through her like any other Champion.
Why can human torch or nick fury punch ghost? It’s in their abilities just like daredevil
That's different, it's a Game Mechanic. (Although that too can have Some Reasoning made if you think about it) Daredevil can hit *Invisible People* because he's Blind and has Extra Sensory Abilities that allow him to "Sense" people's Location through their Breathe, Heartbeat, Movement, ect. That doesn't mean he can punch people that are Phased Out Of His Dimension!
And daredevil got buffed so now he counters miss? I don’t see how that’s different to any other champ that counters it
And did you just say that daredevil hitting ghost wasn’t a game mechanic lmao
Yes because I was unaware they made that change, I thought people were arguing for it to be added not for it to stay. Either way he should not be able to counter Ghost's Miss because it's not like the others' that is specifically Invisibility...
You’re conflating two different scenarios.
Originally there was an Easter egg that Daredevil could bypass invisibility, like Hood and IW. But the devs decided both Daredevils could use a little buff with that in mind, so they were updated to have a game mechanic where they bypassed all miss.
Right now, you’re arguing that torch should bypass miss because he gets really hot, but it’s a step too far for daredevil to bypass miss because he’s blind.
CGR makes sense to bypass miss because he shoots his guns and hits his opponent in a very specific order, but it’s a step too far for daredevil to bypass miss because he’s blind.
Kraven can’t usually bypass miss, but if he’s stood with Venompool or Agent venom then it absolutely makes sense for him to hit ghost while she’s phasing just because one of those guys tagged along, but, it’s absolutely too far to let daredevil bypass miss because he’s blind.
It’s a game ability my guy, you’re applying logic to a game that fundamentally doesn’t work on logic. How can daredevil punch the hulk and survive getting punched back? You can’t pick and choose where you apply your logic.
If you want an explanation, all the champions have been fed ISO, which is a real canon explanation for why real universe logic doesn’t work in a game where you can use a duck to beat up a duck mixed with a symbiote
I never said Daredevil shouldn't be able to Bypass Miss in general, don't know where you got that from, I'm saying it's too far for him to be able to hit Specifically Ghost (and Kitty Pride for that matter)'s Miss which is Phasing Through The Punches. Meanwhile the likes Invisible Woman and Hood are still present there but just Invisible to the naked eye which Daredevil of course ignores because he is Blind as well has the Extra Sensory Abilities to detect them without sight.
His ability is that he counters all miss. Nothing more and nothing less. Deal with it. He has iso-8 in him like @BitterSteel said and that is actually canon in this universe. That’s how for example Hawkeye and black widow don’t just simply die instantly to many champs in here like they should
Yes I know that, I use that example all the time, and whether it was changed or not I don't have to deal with I because I'm simply disagreeing with the ability being extended to that degree.
I give up you are beyond help
This all started with someone saying why shouldn't Daredevil ignore Ghost's Phasing, that was my explanation and reasoning which then expanded to disagreement when I learned it had already been changed, why do I need help? You're blowing the disagreement way out of proportion, when all I was saying was "Daredevil only ignores Invisible Miss because of the Blindness" which is correct.
After the fact they then at a later point expanded it to affect All Miss and your reasoning was because of the Iso-8/Battlerealm Balancing Effect, but there's a difference between enhancing/reducing a Character's Durability and Damage to put everyone on a more even playing field, and completely changing a Character's Ability from not needing to worry about Invisible People to punching someone who can phase through Walls/Punches by either Reducing Tangibility or Dimension Shifting.
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It’s literally just an ability. You’re deciding you disagree with daredevil bypassing miss, when it’s absolutely fine for torch to do so because he gets really hot. If Ghost is in a different phase of reality how can her atoms be vibrated to make her get hot?
I just wish people stopped trying to apply logic where it doesn’t fit.
Are you ok with that because it doesn’t give an explanation? So if daredevil didn’t have the miss counter because of his enhanced sensory system would it be fine?
After the fact they then at a later point expanded it to affect All Miss and your reasoning was because of the Iso-8/Battlerealm Balancing Effect, but there's a difference between enhancing/reducing a Character's Durability and Damage to put everyone on a more even playing field, and completely changing a Character's Ability from not needing to worry about Invisible People to punching someone who can phase through Walls/Punches by either Reducing Tangibility or Dimension Shifting.