Arena is still a joke. Will it ever change?

Kbugii

Will the setup of arena ever change? With all the mercs and everything else it’s basically just another game mode that’s pointless to players and more times than not a complete waste of time.

How does this get players motivated to play? I spent my entire week of vacation grinding arena.
Round 1 I did 18 mil and get #177. Round 2 I do 29.6 mil and do much worse in the rankings. As someone that already has all 4 rework champs duped it basically means my entire week was wasted on getting 1 sig level on a 5 star champ.





For me I’ve pretty much had it at this point unless something changes. Aq is meh in game with the what feels like pebbles from map 8 crystals. Aw is bugged every season. And all I have yet content wise to finish is act 6 and I’d rather do abyss again.

pseudosane

29.6mill NEVER gets a 6*.the minimum cutoff ive seen is 35million. my ally mate @GoDlyZor grinded it out for 42 mill.

Eb0ny-O-M4w

Its a p2w mode if you want to compete for top rank rewards

Kbugii

pseudosane said:

29.6mill NEVER gets a 6*.the minimum cutoff ive seen is 35million. my ally mate @GoDlyZor grinded it out for 42 mill.

You obviously didn’t pay attention that it went for 24 last round. So saying you’ve never seen it below 35 mil means you’re not paying attention.

Colinwhitworth69

It stinks that you didn't make the cutoff, but it's tough competition.

Kbugii

My point is still being missed. Arena structure needs to change. All the current one does is run people off yet another game mode. That’s not a good way to continue growing a game.

What I was meaning was the fact that I did 307 rounds in 1 arena meaning 921 fights in 3 days just in 1 arena and all I got out of it is 1k 6 star shards. 6 stars aren’t as rare as they used to be. I could’ve gotten the same amount of reward from less than an hour in this months side quest.

I can’t be the only one that feels this way.
We need a change to continue adapting the game but it means nothing when people just shrug their shoulders.

pseudosane

Kbugii said:

pseudosane said:

29.6mill NEVER gets a 6*.the minimum cutoff ive seen is 35million. my ally mate @GoDlyZor grinded it out for 42 mill.

You obviously didn’t pay attention that it went for 24 last round. So saying you’ve never seen it below 35 mil means you’re not paying attention.

That must have been one of the outliers. When a champ drops so low, the next arena usually never does.
If im not wrong, that is by far the lowest ever. Nothing before has gone that low. Outliers happen randomly. Check the data before that and see if there is any other arena that has gone below 30 million.
Ive done grinds before, especially in basic. 29.7 isnt a safe score, even after a low scoring arena round.

DNA3000

Eb0ny-O-M4w said:

Its a p2w mode if you want to compete for top rank rewards

I know that's basically your reply to everything at this point, but I will note anyway that the basic arena top 100 cutoff does not generally require a lot of spending to reach at the moment. It is generally 40-50 million for reruns, and 70-90 million for new champs. The rerun scores are definitely achievable without spending, maybe you'd want to spend for the highest new run scores, but even there it isn't as recharge-driven as it is for the highest scores in the 6* featured arena.

Morpheus_123

So you did 921 fights in 3 days and only got 1k 6* shards. That is ****. But you knew that when you set out on the first fight. The rewards didn’t change half way through.

If you had made the cut and got the rewards you wanted you would be happy wouldn’t you? Otherwise you wouldn’t have even started the first fight. So basically it’s bitterness that you didn’t make the cut.

It isn’t long ago at all that arena’s were revamped, and as much as I would make several changes and improvements, there are far more important things I believe the devs need to concentrate on.

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Scopeotoe987

Arena needs to be replaced IMO, but how it would be replaced I have no idea

Pikolu

Your first mistake was grinding arena. And the second is more people saw the low cutoff and went for it.

xNig

Kbugii said:

My point is still being missed. Arena structure needs to change. All the current one does is run people off yet another game mode. That’s not a good way to continue growing a game.

What I was meaning was the fact that I did 307 rounds in 1 arena meaning 921 fights in 3 days just in 1 arena and all I got out of it is 1k 6 star shards. 6 stars aren’t as rare as they used to be. I could’ve gotten the same amount of reward from less than an hour in this months side quest.

I can’t be the only one that feels this way.
We need a change to continue adapting the game but it means nothing when people just shrug their shoulders.

The thing is, even if the mode changes, what makes you think the end result will be any different?

Kbugii

See when the players don’t band together for change nothing ever happens. That’s part of the problem with the community.
You’re telling me you wouldn’t like to see them restructure the reward tiers in some regard at the current game meta?

So far responses have been “your first mistake was doing arena” and “what makes me think the end result would change?”

I’m not saying I have all the answers. I’m just saying change needs to happen for everyone. This isn’t just about this arena for me. I’ve been doing this **** going on 7 years so I know the risk. It just pisses me off that nothing changes with it. I’ve brought up posts before about a featured arena have a difference of 110mil just between a 6 and 5 star let alone the final score. Basic arenas pushing over 45-50mil when 5 and 6 stars equal the same? Then having only the top 100 obtain a 6 star for that effort. That’s basically the equivalent of 3 full alliances going for the champ. And there’s 1000+ other alliances. 6 stars aren’t rare anymore either. They should expand it out to 200-250 at least in this version of the game. 100 is not a decent structure for a “rerun” champ(s) with the amount of players still playing this game.

GroundedWisdom

The Arena is first and foremost a competition of Points. The more Points you put up, the higher you Rank. That also ties into your Roster. The more Champs you have and the higher you Rank them, the more Points you put up. The whole point of advancing in the Arena is to continue growing our Rosters and competing consistently. Over time, we get better at it.
There's no guarantees in a blind competition.

Eb0ny-O-M4w

If arena ever gets a rework, then the whole recharge system via units should be removed. That will fix the main problem, everything else just needs to be worked around it

DNA3000

Kbugii said:

See when the players don’t band together for change nothing ever happens. That’s part of the problem with the community.
You’re telling me you wouldn’t like to see them restructure the reward tiers in some regard at the current game meta?

So far responses have been “your first mistake was doing arena” and “what makes me think the end result would change?”

I’m not saying I have all the answers. I’m just saying change needs to happen for everyone. This isn’t just about this arena for me. I’ve been doing this **** going on 7 years so I know the risk. It just pisses me off that nothing changes with it. I’ve brought up posts before about a featured arena have a difference of 110mil just between a 6 and 5 star let alone the final score. Basic arenas pushing over 45-50mil when 5 and 6 stars equal the same? Then having only the top 100 obtain a 6 star for that effort. That’s basically the equivalent of 3 full alliances going for the champ. And there’s 1000+ other alliances. 6 stars aren’t rare anymore either. They should expand it out to 200-250 at least in this version of the game. 100 is not a decent structure for a “rerun” champ(s) with the amount of players still playing this game.

They did restructure the arenas. People were complaining for a long time that it "wasn't worth it" to grind for 5* champs anymore, even though people were still grinding for 5* champs. So now you can grind for 6* champs, and it is vastly easier to get the 5* champs in the arena. By any measure the situation is far better now. And within two seconds of the new arenas coming out, people were complaining that 100 spots was not enough, and that it took too much effort to reach the top 100.

6* champs are a lot easier to get in general. But they still aren't easy to target. If you just want 6* champs, the arena makes that easy. Just grind for shards, and you can get all the 6* champs you want. But if you want one specific champ, that's still an extremely valuable opportunity. The vast majority of the revenue of the game goes towards people hunting for champs through crystals. Targeting is valuable enough to fund a game that hundreds of thousands of people get to play completely for free. That's pretty valuable.

I find people asking for the number of award slots to be somewhat disingenuous. They often imply it would be better for the game as a whole if this number was increased. There are a million people playing this game plus or minus. 100 people get the featured 6* every cycle. 999900 don't. Decreasing that number to 999700 doesn't change the game at all. It makes 200 more people happy out of one million. It is an extremely narrow benefit for an extremely narrow slice of people. If they increase that number I'll take it (literally: I would probably be one of the people getting the 6* featured more often) but I wouldn't pretend that change was helping more than a handful of people including me.

There's lots of things I would do if I was in charge. I'd make alliance war less insane. I'd make challenge content more challenging. I'd make crystal conspiracies punishable by death. But saying the problem is the community doesn't just jump behind me and back me up would be presumptuous. The community doesn't exists to empower me to form a coup. Every member of the community has their own ideas and wants and desires, and most of them probably would sooner burn me at the stake than put me in charge. The community is composed of individuals who don't all agree. That's not a problem. That's just what we all are.

xNig

Kbugii said:

See when the players don’t band together for change nothing ever happens. That’s part of the problem with the community.
You’re telling me you wouldn’t like to see them restructure the reward tiers in some regard at the current game meta?

So far responses have been “your first mistake was doing arena” and “what makes me think the end result would change?”

I’m not saying I have all the answers. I’m just saying change needs to happen for everyone. This isn’t just about this arena for me. I’ve been doing this **** going on 7 years so I know the risk. It just pisses me off that nothing changes with it. I’ve brought up posts before about a featured arena have a difference of 110mil just between a 6 and 5 star let alone the final score. Basic arenas pushing over 45-50mil when 5 and 6 stars equal the same? Then having only the top 100 obtain a 6 star for that effort. That’s basically the equivalent of 3 full alliances going for the champ. And there’s 1000+ other alliances. 6 stars aren’t rare anymore either. They should expand it out to 200-250 at least in this version of the game. 100 is not a decent structure for a “rerun” champ(s) with the amount of players still playing this game.

I’m just glad arenas are around as an unlimited source of free units. It’s not often you see that in a free mobile game.

flygamer

I'm confused at what mercs have to do with anything.

LordPSN

Arena has improved a lot.
So please vent out your frustrations somewhere.
Strict actions including bans have been taken against the bots and mercs.
Its on you if you didn't get the cutoff!

Rasilover

Arena is way less stressful if you just go for milestones

Syndicated

I Guess it's time to give us a Cavalier Quality arena.

We are stucked in Uncollected yet.

Shiroihara

Take arenas for what they are to most people: a source of gold and battlechips.
Also, dude, next time you have a week off get out of the house.

the_eradicator

GroundedWisdom said:

The Arena is first and foremost a competition of Points. The more Points you put up, the higher you Rank. That also ties into your Roster. The more Champs you have and the higher you Rank them, the more Points you put up. The whole point of advancing in the Arena is to continue growing our Rosters and competing consistently. Over time, we get better at it.
There's no guarantees in a blind competition.

What ? Overtime you get better ?
If you keep missing out on rewards and only the people with units can grind out the rewards by completely abandoning sleep and normal life, how will a lower rated player ever be able to make it to the top and advance ?
The fact that your have to give up on so much and there is no point threshold for guaranteed rewards makes it pointless to try. Cos no one has the patience to blindly grind 3 days of their life and then not get what they actually wanted to get. Seems like a very badly designed outcome.

Aomine_Daiki10

Remove recharge champions and I bet you the cut off will reduce drastically but that ain't happening for sure.

Worknprogress

Aomine_Daiki10 said:

Remove recharge champions and I bet you the cut off will reduce drastically but that ain't happening for sure.

You realize all that does is guarantee the people with the largest stacked rosters always win and there's literally zero way for someone smaller to compete right?

pseudosane

Worknprogress said:

Aomine_Daiki10 said:

Remove recharge champions and I bet you the cut off will reduce drastically but that ain't happening for sure.

You realize all that does is guarantee the people with the largest stacked rosters always win and there's literally zero way for someone smaller to compete right?

Yeah i thought that was just logical to make that assumption haha. Largest roster would win, everytime. Jeez people need to actually think before giving suggestions....

World Eater

I can certainly sympathize with the OP. Spending a week grinding the arena and only getting 2,000 6* shards doesn’t feel very rewarding.

Chobbly

World Eater said:

I can certainly sympathize with the OP. Spending a week grinding the arena and only getting 2,000 6* shards doesn’t feel very rewarding.

I've stopped bothering with going for or targeting any rank rewards. I tend to just play enough rounds to get the units I'm happy with, and then stop there. It's kind of like a QoL improvement I added myself.

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