AW Bans have of an issue at the moment

OmniformOmniform Member Posts: 60
edited March 2022 in Suggestions and Requests
As the title says I think AW bans have an issue that probably needs resolving. The whole point why they were implemented were to diversify attacker picks especially when it comes to Mystic and Tech Champ Defense. The only champ I know that’s 100% banned is Human Torch and definitely for good reason. He deals with Mystics way to easily. I definitely think we needed bans but some champions like Human Torch are almost 100% banned because they are just that efficient at dealing with troublesome Defense like Mystics and particularly Tech which Magneto deals with extremely easily. The biggest problem with trying to fix it is, you can’t rebalance either of the Champs without backlash. There needs to be another way of fixing the issue that won’t change how the champions currently play and how they deal with certain classes. I think that one way of dealing with this issue maybe put a cap on how many times a champ can be banned a season. It’s definitely not foolproof but this way the Defense would need to think more about Defense strategies even if Mags and HT are in play. It would make it more of a pain for allies to deal with but AW is all about strategy is it not? What do you all think? Are 100% banned champs an issue to you? Or do you think it’s fine as it is? It’s a delicate issue that needs to be thought about before changing anything for sure.
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  • danielmathdanielmath Member Posts: 4,103 ★★★★★
    Omniform said:

    @danielmath mine have all had 100% HT ban, it may just be an issue in a certain war bracket.

    Ya could be, ours are all corvus/ghost and quake or herc
  • BuggyDClownBuggyDClown Member Posts: 2,360 ★★★★★
    It depends upon the roster imo. W have played the war without HT bans
    Mags and doom are getting more banned often

    If an ally is placing less mystic or energy champs, there's no point for them to ban HT. Even in our own BG we have less mystic champs. Real play comes if boss island have mystic champ or not.

    TBH for me this ban system is perfect. My alliance mates are coming up with good alternatives and plus creative ways to deal the things. We don't see civil warrior in Aw everyday
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  • mgj0630mgj0630 Member Posts: 1,096 ★★★★
    edited March 2022

    my proposal is bans should be alternated
    meaning if you ban torch in war 1 then you cant ban him in was 2 but then you can ban him in war 3 again
    that way we'll have to expand the bans and also have the fair chance of using torch in war
    maybe doing this every 2 alternate wars can work too

    The only problem with that becomes who's cycle they're counting. In theory, it would be possible that the alliance you're playing has just banned other champs in their last war, allowing them to ban him against you in the current war. Then the next alliance you face could be in the same cycle allowing them to ban him as an attacker against you.

    On the flip side, if they track your alliance's cycle for which attackers were banned, that alliance you're playing could be put in a position where they can never ban him, because he was banned in the previous war you competed in. Same for the next war that alliance competes in.

    Basically this approach carries far too much risk of being unfair to someone. Sounds good in theory, but wouldn't work well in practice.
  • Qwerty12345Qwerty12345 Member Posts: 840 ★★★★
    rather than totally banning a champion, having something to restrict use, similar to defensive diversity points would strongly encourage diversity in attack, and not just see the same 10 attackers over and over, while allowing for alliances to choose to sacrifice points if indeed human torch is what their progressing account has as a counter for a fight, or a fight is so niche, that sacrificing some points to bring him is worth it.

    I realize that would create even more work for alliance planners, and I am certainly open to other suggestions (having war attackers have to rest 2 wars before they could attack again for example).
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  • pseudosanepseudosane Member, Guardian Posts: 3,994 Guardian
    The biggest problem atm is the crappy global and its weird interactions.
  • SiliyoSiliyo Member Posts: 1,471 ★★★★★
    Attacker Bans are soon going to get old (almost useless) because of how many champions there are (and there’s more coming) compared to the 3 that are allowed for bans
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  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 22,065 ★★★★★

    i agree that there should be a limit to how many times you can ban a specific champ, but i don't think i've seen torch banned this season in any war

    This season and last, HT has been banned 98% of the time. I'm plat 4 right now and plat 2/1 last season.

    But again, that's just 2 alliances out of like 16 wars. Not a huge sample size.
  • BitterSteelBitterSteel Member Posts: 9,264 ★★★★★

    i agree that there should be a limit to how many times you can ban a specific champ, but i don't think i've seen torch banned this season in any war

    This season and last, HT has been banned 98% of the time. I'm plat 4 right now and plat 2/1 last season.

    But again, that's just 2 alliances out of like 16 wars. Not a huge sample size.
    I'll add my voice to this. Plat 2/3 wars and all but one had torch banned. I'm convinced that was a mistake anyway since they had a massively mystic boss island!
  • OmniformOmniform Member Posts: 60
    edited March 2022
    It looks like it’s only an issue within a certain war bracket. I’m guessing between Gold 2 up to about Plat 3/2, then the HT bans seems to drop off in Masters which would definitely make sense. The main point I’m guess I’m getting at is an 100% ban or near that of any champ (no matter who it is) is kind of a problem. I know I haven’t seen the new tactic used and it’s all been high ground still so far but it’s still early so I’m interested in seeing how the rest of the season goes.
  • pseudosanepseudosane Member, Guardian Posts: 3,994 Guardian
    in the higher tiers I havent seen HT banned for a single war. 2850-2950 WR
  • Aomine_Daiki10Aomine_Daiki10 Member Posts: 1,643 ★★★★★
    Since last season up till this present war human torch has been banned 100% of the time. R.I.P my R3 torch
  • danielmathdanielmath Member Posts: 4,103 ★★★★★

    Since last season up till this present war human torch has been banned 100% of the time. R.I.P my R3 torch

    i brought mine today but only for synergy, my r3 with his flame on will not get used lol
  • Aomine_Daiki10Aomine_Daiki10 Member Posts: 1,643 ★★★★★

    Since last season up till this present war human torch has been banned 100% of the time. R.I.P my R3 torch

    i brought mine today but only for synergy, my r3 with his flame on will not get used lol
    Warlock was banned today which is very rare.
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