Suicides Mastery

Oddkinsons7

Hi experts here. I’m currently on cavalier, 6.2.4.

Was thinking if I should do suicides?

Can anyone advise on a good set up pls?

Thanks!

Maratox

Well it depends what champs you have/plan on using. Not all champs are good with suicides

tklmc

I played most(%70-80) of the content with sucidies, if u have right champs(corvus, omega, robots, diablo, claire voyant)why not? Also if u play arenas a lot I think it's mandatory

TheBair123

i find that suicides restrict your roster but also make a lot of champs better. no suicides lets you use everyone, but nobody gets any benefits. it really just depends on who you've got and how they work with suicides

Squirrelguy

Doesn’t really matter where you are in the game. Here are the biggest considerations:

1) they cost a lot of units (to buy the cores).

2) while every champ will benefit from them (the attack and PI increase is substantial), many champs will lose a lot of health because of them from the debuffs as well as recoil on special attacks. There are also a lot of champs that rely on special attacks 1 & 2 for specific utility, so you can still use them, but they come at a price.

3) I’ve found that I get more nervous and feel more rushed with suicides because I often feel like I have to end the fight quickly and perfectly to mitigate the health lost. It also severely limits which champs you can bring in to counter specific nodes and enemies. If you enjoy playing a champ like Hyperion, you can use him for maybe one or two fights in a quest unless you play perfectly and with a sub-optimal play style.

4) it’s probably worth it to try them out, but don’t feel like you have to stick with them.

5) look up some YouTube videos for setups. You can also plan it out on auntm.ai and see how much it will cost you. Most people with a suicide setup only have one point in recoil (cause it sucks) and then max points in liquid courage and double edge. Almost everyone runs willpower to mitigate damage lost, but there are debates on masteries like coagulate (decreases bleed damage slightly). Do some research then make an educated decision.

Strangecraft069

Oddkinsons7 said:

Hi experts here. I’m currently on cavalier, 6.2.4.

Was thinking if I should do suicides?

Can anyone advise on a good set up pls?

Thanks!

If you have the units for it go for them (full suicides unlock not half)
Why? Some months ago i did my act 6 completion, the damage from non suicides is visibly less (unless you plan on using champions like prof x)
And yeah as for the health loss in between the fights, staying in fights for longer time gets you chip damage, tiredness and fatigue anyways. Free time kill in RoL gets you enough potions to be topped up.
And even if you choose non suicides, life works that way too, i have act 7 completion, but haven't even unlocked glass canon completely, let alone recoil and post recoil stuff

Pikolu

You don't need suicides unless you're using chanps that benefit a lot from suicides like OR. I've explored all of act 7 without suicides due to most of my roster being non-suicide friendly

awesomesauce

I think suicides are a lot better in Meta today than they were 2-3 years ago.

Lot of champs can significantly gain benefits with little to no negative impact.
Look at diablo, herc, knull, omega, red mags, corvus, kitty, iBom, sauron, toad, etc list goes on but these champs will literally heal back more than the damage they take from the damage over time effects.

Additionally, look at some robot synergies like between Ultron, warlock and guillotine 2099. You'll literally start the fight with a fury and nearly a bar of power because of suicides.

Then there's the traditional healing factor champs that mitigate the damage.

Then even more champs that shrug the debuffs off.

So even if the team or attackers you need specifically can't fit the above, there's other ways to mitigate the damage besides potions. Using mutants? Make the mutant a horseman and bring profX and colossus on the team. Now that poison is a source of Regen. Non mutant? Bring fury with Deadpool and you'll drop a debuff at the start of a fight and gain a Regen.

These are just a few examples.

And if a path seems difficult in recent content in act 7, there's what? 6 fights per path plus the boss? And you get to change out someone on your team for a specific boss counter!

Mudcruncher

I just use 1 gc 1 recoil 3 double edge as it times out where poison stays

awesomesauce

Mudcruncher said:

I just use 1 gc 1 recoil 3 double edge as it times out where poison stays

IMO unless you go 3/3 in both LC and DE, don't do it.

Lorddrew

Like Awesomness said above, if you get recoil, unlock all otherwise don't.
on the side, I'm 99% suicide mastery, and my look on allot of champions changed, i pull some champions that are god tier or above and i simply don't rank because of suicide (prof x for example)

awesomesauce

Lorddrew said:

Like Awesomness said above, if you get recoil, unlock all otherwise don't.
on the side, I'm 99% suicide mastery, and my look on allot of champions changed, i pull some champions that are god tier or above and i simply don't rank because of suicide (prof x for example)

I feel that sentiment, but in a normal quest (Eq/story) you can still utilize prof X for a couple fights at the start of the quest, sure he won't survive long but his persistent charges will benefit the rest of the team for the remainder of the quest.

Ercarret

I can really only echo what others have said. I like running suicides but they can feel very restrictive and at times you find yourself fighting a node that somehow turns those masteries against you in a way that you're never punished for any other mastery setup.

Remember to unlock Willpower as well. It's an essential part of the suicide kit.