A Nick Fury buff...kind of

OzFearUs

While Nick Fury is in Life Model Decoy mode shouldn't he be bleed and poison immune like other "robots"?

Also, if we think about it shouldn't he suffer the same types of problems while in that mode (weakness to Magneto, etc).

Something to think about...or not ;-)

Qacob

Simple answer, it's a game. Game balance therefore comes first.

Comic book accuracy comes second, if that.

Kiptonade

I think there is something in Marvel lore that says the type of metal the life model decoys use is similar to vibranium so probably wouldn’t be weak to magneto in the same way BP and KM aren’t

As for the immunities he is already OP so don’t think it would balance the game well!

BitterSteel

This comes up more often than it should.

Life Model Decoy

That’s what LMD stands for, a decoy would be a pretty poor decoy if it didn’t bleed. Take a human and a decoy of them. How do you spot the intruder? See which one bleeds. That’s why LMDs bleed.

Here is a scene from AoS, it’s been out ages but I’ll put it in a spoiler segment regardless.

https://youtu.be/N5ty35GnC3c

LMD gets shot. Has blood.

Qacob

BitterSteel said:

This comes up more often than it should.

Life Model Decoy

That’s what LMD stands for, a decoy would be a pretty poor decoy if it didn’t bleed. Take a human and a decoy of them. How do you spot the intruder? See which one bleeds. That’s why LMDs bleed.

Here is a scene from AoS, it’s been out ages but I’ll put it in a spoiler segment regardless.

https://youtu.be/N5ty35GnC3c

LMD gets shot. Has blood.

The problem with that logic is that the bleed isn't doing any damage to the LMD, so you could still argue that Nick's LMD should just take no damage from bleed instead of being immune. Which is why I prefer to just accept that it's illogical, for the good of the game.

ItsDamien

Qacob said:

BitterSteel said:

This comes up more often than it should.

Life Model Decoy

That’s what LMD stands for, a decoy would be a pretty poor decoy if it didn’t bleed. Take a human and a decoy of them. How do you spot the intruder? See which one bleeds. That’s why LMDs bleed.

Here is a scene from AoS, it’s been out ages but I’ll put it in a spoiler segment regardless.

https://youtu.be/N5ty35GnC3c

LMD gets shot. Has blood.

The problem with that logic is that the bleed isn't doing any damage to the LMD, so you could still argue that Nick's LMD should just take no damage from bleed instead of being immune. Which is why I prefer to just accept that it's illogical, for the good of the game.

What if that “blood” is circulating to make the decoy function. Similar to how a water cooled PC needs the water to keep the CPU… cool… and working. If it sprung a leak (or in this case bled) it’d eventually die.

Pikolu

Nick fury sucks enough as is to fight as a defender, especially in battlegrounds, and he doesn't need double immunities. Also, from a coding standpoint, I do not think it would be wise to have his sig ability alter his tags and immunities based on if his LMD is there or not.

Qacob

ItsDamien said:

Qacob said:

BitterSteel said:

This comes up more often than it should.

Life Model Decoy

That’s what LMD stands for, a decoy would be a pretty poor decoy if it didn’t bleed. Take a human and a decoy of them. How do you spot the intruder? See which one bleeds. That’s why LMDs bleed.

Here is a scene from AoS, it’s been out ages but I’ll put it in a spoiler segment regardless.

https://youtu.be/N5ty35GnC3c

LMD gets shot. Has blood.

The problem with that logic is that the bleed isn't doing any damage to the LMD, so you could still argue that Nick's LMD should just take no damage from bleed instead of being immune. Which is why I prefer to just accept that it's illogical, for the good of the game.

What if that “blood” is circulating to make the decoy function. Similar to how a water cooled PC needs the water to keep the CPU… cool… and working. If it sprung a leak (or in this case bled) it’d eventually die.

That is a good point actually. Though in the clip Bitter linked, the LMD said "I won't bleed out, the synthetic blood is mostly for appearance"

Though "mostly" suggests there are other factors, so yeah you could well be right.

BitterSteel

Qacob said:

ItsDamien said:

Qacob said:

BitterSteel said:

This comes up more often than it should.

Life Model Decoy

That’s what LMD stands for, a decoy would be a pretty poor decoy if it didn’t bleed. Take a human and a decoy of them. How do you spot the intruder? See which one bleeds. That’s why LMDs bleed.

Here is a scene from AoS, it’s been out ages but I’ll put it in a spoiler segment regardless.

https://youtu.be/N5ty35GnC3c

LMD gets shot. Has blood.

The problem with that logic is that the bleed isn't doing any damage to the LMD, so you could still argue that Nick's LMD should just take no damage from bleed instead of being immune. Which is why I prefer to just accept that it's illogical, for the good of the game.

What if that “blood” is circulating to make the decoy function. Similar to how a water cooled PC needs the water to keep the CPU… cool… and working. If it sprung a leak (or in this case bled) it’d eventually die.

That is a good point actually. Though in the clip Bitter linked, the LMD said "I won't bleed out, the synthetic blood is mostly for appearance"

Though "mostly" suggests there are other factors, so yeah you could well be right.

There are a hundred different reasons you could apply. Nick's could be a different model, it could be designed to die, it could be need the blood in it like oil. Plus, as you mention she did say "Most".

I mean, if you're trying to decoy someone wouldn't it be kind of a give away if they carried on as usual while bleeding?

At the end of the day, the game has to be balanced. I think there's enough logical wiggle-room to say an LMD is not a robot, Nick can bleed even in that mode. Could you logically argue that Nick could have bleed debuffs but not take damage from them? Yeah of course, we could argue it both ways. But Nick is an incredibly powerful champion, he didn't need bleed resistance/immunity even though it is logically sound.

It's the exact same argument for why Iceman didn't have coldsnap immunity when he was released. He already had 3 immunities (in a time when there were only double immune champions, and there were only about 4 or 5 DOTs in the game). He was already so powerful that yeah sure, you could logically argue that he should be immune to coldsnap. But to balance the champion, not every single logical power was added to him. This is a game, it has to be balanced.