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AW Tier 2 and up path 4.

DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Posts: 21,362 ★★★★★
Looking for tips against defenders in Section 2 of path 4. Knull and Havok are staples here. Last season with the attack tactic Sick and Tired, I could counter these nodes easily, but since AW seems to get worse and worse with every season, there's only one attack tactic for tiers 1 and 2. I am thinking it will have to be KP pretty much with Hood.

I tried Nimrod for Havok but since 99% of the time you can't parry because Havok is unblockable, I can't regain the armor ups. Anyone using a different team?

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    De_Potato_SaladDe_Potato_Salad Posts: 471 ★★★
    Just use skill
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    EtjamaEtjama Posts: 7,981 ★★★★★
    Well I don't know why this was revived at this point and I'm sure you've probably figured it out by now... but Mole is amazing for Knull on path 4 along with KP as you mentioned. For Havok someone who consistently power drains is going to be great since they'll keep charges off Havok and therefore off you. Warlock is great since you'll power drain off every non-contact parry. A boosted Ghost can also burst him down quickly enough.
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    DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Posts: 21,362 ★★★★★
    Etjama said:

    Well I don't know why this was revived at this point and I'm sure you've probably figured it out by now... but Mole is amazing for Knull on path 4 along with KP as you mentioned. For Havok someone who consistently power drains is going to be great since they'll keep charges off Havok and therefore off you. Warlock is great since you'll power drain off every non-contact parry. A boosted Ghost can also burst him down quickly enough.

    Because I questioned how potato salad above you died to a unduped Ghulk using NF.

    I've been using KP with hood. Working reasonably well. I just have to get used to them being unblockable the entire fight.
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    TheBair123TheBair123 Posts: 5,344 ★★★★★
    Don’t see why this needed to be revived after someone got salty, but allthemore reason to give some tips. In the past I’ve used NF for fights on that path that are uncanny placements where you’ll need a reliable evade/miss counter. If you can build up to SP1 you’ll purify the debuffs. Even if you’re facing someone like AV, you can just parry heavy at the start of the fight and not worry about it
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    De_Potato_SaladDe_Potato_Salad Posts: 471 ★★★

    Etjama said:

    Well I don't know why this was revived at this point and I'm sure you've probably figured it out by now... but Mole is amazing for Knull on path 4 along with KP as you mentioned. For Havok someone who consistently power drains is going to be great since they'll keep charges off Havok and therefore off you. Warlock is great since you'll power drain off every non-contact parry. A boosted Ghost can also burst him down quickly enough.

    Because I questioned how potato salad above you died to a unduped Ghulk using NF.

    I've been using KP with hood. Working reasonably well. I just have to get used to them being unblockable the entire fight.
    I guarantee you’ve have some stupid deaths but as soon as someone posts one you’re all over it making fun of em LMAO.
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    DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Posts: 21,362 ★★★★★

    Etjama said:

    Well I don't know why this was revived at this point and I'm sure you've probably figured it out by now... but Mole is amazing for Knull on path 4 along with KP as you mentioned. For Havok someone who consistently power drains is going to be great since they'll keep charges off Havok and therefore off you. Warlock is great since you'll power drain off every non-contact parry. A boosted Ghost can also burst him down quickly enough.

    Because I questioned how potato salad above you died to a unduped Ghulk using NF.

    I've been using KP with hood. Working reasonably well. I just have to get used to them being unblockable the entire fight.
    I guarantee you’ve have some stupid deaths but as soon as someone posts one you’re all over it making fun of em LMAO.
    Not as bad as that.
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    TheBair123TheBair123 Posts: 5,344 ★★★★★

    Don’t see why this needed to be revived after someone got salty, but allthemore reason to give some tips. In the past I’ve used NF for fights on that path that are uncanny placements where you’ll need a reliable evade/miss counter. If you can build up to SP1 you’ll purify the debuffs. Even if you’re facing someone like AV, you can just parry heavy at the start of the fight and not worry about it

    Salty?! eesh you man are snowflakes for sure 🤣
    I know this might come as a surprise to you, but there is no salt in snowflakes. I want to focus on giving someone tips, not bickering or personal attacks
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    De_Potato_SaladDe_Potato_Salad Posts: 471 ★★★

    Etjama said:

    Well I don't know why this was revived at this point and I'm sure you've probably figured it out by now... but Mole is amazing for Knull on path 4 along with KP as you mentioned. For Havok someone who consistently power drains is going to be great since they'll keep charges off Havok and therefore off you. Warlock is great since you'll power drain off every non-contact parry. A boosted Ghost can also burst him down quickly enough.

    Because I questioned how potato salad above you died to a unduped Ghulk using NF.

    I've been using KP with hood. Working reasonably well. I just have to get used to them being unblockable the entire fight.
    I guarantee you’ve have some stupid deaths but as soon as someone posts one you’re all over it making fun of em LMAO.
    Not as bad as that.
    Keep telling yourself that my friend
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    DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Posts: 21,362 ★★★★★

    Etjama said:

    Well I don't know why this was revived at this point and I'm sure you've probably figured it out by now... but Mole is amazing for Knull on path 4 along with KP as you mentioned. For Havok someone who consistently power drains is going to be great since they'll keep charges off Havok and therefore off you. Warlock is great since you'll power drain off every non-contact parry. A boosted Ghost can also burst him down quickly enough.

    Because I questioned how potato salad above you died to a unduped Ghulk using NF.

    I've been using KP with hood. Working reasonably well. I just have to get used to them being unblockable the entire fight.
    I guarantee you’ve have some stupid deaths but as soon as someone posts one you’re all over it making fun of em LMAO.
    Not as bad as that.
    Keep telling yourself that my friend
    I don't have too. Nothing I've ever died to was as bad as having 2 lives in 1 match, class advantage and strong bleeds and a unduped defender who is a terrible AW defender. 🤷
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    De_Potato_SaladDe_Potato_Salad Posts: 471 ★★★

    Etjama said:

    Well I don't know why this was revived at this point and I'm sure you've probably figured it out by now... but Mole is amazing for Knull on path 4 along with KP as you mentioned. For Havok someone who consistently power drains is going to be great since they'll keep charges off Havok and therefore off you. Warlock is great since you'll power drain off every non-contact parry. A boosted Ghost can also burst him down quickly enough.

    Because I questioned how potato salad above you died to a unduped Ghulk using NF.

    I've been using KP with hood. Working reasonably well. I just have to get used to them being unblockable the entire fight.
    I guarantee you’ve have some stupid deaths but as soon as someone posts one you’re all over it making fun of em LMAO.
    Not as bad as that.
    Keep telling yourself that my friend
    I don't have too. Nothing I've ever died to was as bad as having 2 lives in 1 match, class advantage and strong bleeds and a unduped defender who is a terrible AW defender. 🤷
    Terrible defender on a difficult node with an unstoppable global but okay boy. Stay as backup in your bg 😆
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    DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Posts: 21,362 ★★★★★

    Etjama said:

    Well I don't know why this was revived at this point and I'm sure you've probably figured it out by now... but Mole is amazing for Knull on path 4 along with KP as you mentioned. For Havok someone who consistently power drains is going to be great since they'll keep charges off Havok and therefore off you. Warlock is great since you'll power drain off every non-contact parry. A boosted Ghost can also burst him down quickly enough.

    Because I questioned how potato salad above you died to a unduped Ghulk using NF.

    I've been using KP with hood. Working reasonably well. I just have to get used to them being unblockable the entire fight.
    I guarantee you’ve have some stupid deaths but as soon as someone posts one you’re all over it making fun of em LMAO.
    Not as bad as that.
    Keep telling yourself that my friend
    I don't have too. Nothing I've ever died to was as bad as having 2 lives in 1 match, class advantage and strong bleeds and a unduped defender who is a terrible AW defender. 🤷
    Literally hating on a player cause they died in war sad life my friend. Happens to top tier players but you won’t hate on them just D ride them 💀
    Nah, hating on a player that dies to Ghulk.
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    TheBair123TheBair123 Posts: 5,344 ★★★★★


    Etjama said:

    Well I don't know why this was revived at this point and I'm sure you've probably figured it out by now... but Mole is amazing for Knull on path 4 along with KP as you mentioned. For Havok someone who consistently power drains is going to be great since they'll keep charges off Havok and therefore off you. Warlock is great since you'll power drain off every non-contact parry. A boosted Ghost can also burst him down quickly enough.

    Because I questioned how potato salad above you died to a unduped Ghulk using NF.

    I've been using KP with hood. Working reasonably well. I just have to get used to them being unblockable the entire fight.
    I guarantee you’ve have some stupid deaths but as soon as someone posts one you’re all over it making fun of em LMAO.
    Not as bad as that.
    Keep telling yourself that my friend
    I don't have too. Nothing I've ever died to was as bad as having 2 lives in 1 match, class advantage and strong bleeds and a unduped defender who is a terrible AW defender. 🤷
    Terrible defender on a difficult node with an unstoppable global but okay boy. Stay as backup in your bg 😆
    You do know that the unstoppable global doesn’t apply to defenders who don’t have the tactic, right? And what node was it?
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    De_Potato_SaladDe_Potato_Salad Posts: 471 ★★★


    Etjama said:

    Well I don't know why this was revived at this point and I'm sure you've probably figured it out by now... but Mole is amazing for Knull on path 4 along with KP as you mentioned. For Havok someone who consistently power drains is going to be great since they'll keep charges off Havok and therefore off you. Warlock is great since you'll power drain off every non-contact parry. A boosted Ghost can also burst him down quickly enough.

    Because I questioned how potato salad above you died to a unduped Ghulk using NF.

    I've been using KP with hood. Working reasonably well. I just have to get used to them being unblockable the entire fight.
    I guarantee you’ve have some stupid deaths but as soon as someone posts one you’re all over it making fun of em LMAO.
    Not as bad as that.
    Keep telling yourself that my friend
    I don't have too. Nothing I've ever died to was as bad as having 2 lives in 1 match, class advantage and strong bleeds and a unduped defender who is a terrible AW defender. 🤷
    Terrible defender on a difficult node with an unstoppable global but okay boy. Stay as backup in your bg 😆
    You do know that the unstoppable global doesn’t apply to defenders who don’t have the tactic, right? And what node was it?
    He has the tactic bro what are you on about? Node 22
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    MauledMauled Posts: 3,957 Guardian
    NGL I was sat here thinking you were calling him a potato salad to annoy him then I realised he’s actually called potato salad.

    It tickled me.

    That’s my only contribution.
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    OP, doom does great for knull. Havok for havok. THats who i assign most of the time.
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    Dark_hoodsDark_hoods Posts: 157 ★★
    stryfe works great for path 4, do a light ending combo and he can block unblockable attacks
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    OGAvengerOGAvenger Posts: 1,121 ★★★★★
    KP with hood is good for that lane but not great. Your rage will count as debuffs of course, so the defender will go unblockable quickly. Your only savior is if KP gets other debuffs quickly and goes to overpower.

    Moleman for Knull. He’ll purify the debuffs at the beginning of the fight. Then it’s just a matter of keeping them under control for the rest of the fight. I’d suggest warlock for Havok and just bait heavy’s and sp2’s as much as you can.
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    thanks4playingthanks4playing Posts: 805 ★★★
    My great and wise officer , @pseudosane , assigns me Havok and Doom. I've taken those fights a lot. Feel free to look at my recordings where I detail out the specific strategy in the YouTube descriptions:
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6-8TnOdDNDzMf_6TJRA7MQ
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    DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Posts: 21,362 ★★★★★
    OGAvenger said:

    KP with hood is good for that lane but not great. Your rage will count as debuffs of course, so the defender will go unblockable quickly. Your only savior is if KP gets other debuffs quickly and goes to overpower.

    Moleman for Knull. He’ll purify the debuffs at the beginning of the fight. Then it’s just a matter of keeping them under control for the rest of the fight. I’d suggest warlock for Havok and just bait heavy’s and sp2’s as much as you can.

    Problem solved with the sick and Tired tactic coming back. Knull.is good for that lane too.
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