Battleground Unfair Match Up

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  • FiiNCHFiiNCH Member Posts: 1,667 ★★★★★
    Thiartc said:

    FiiNCH said:

    Searmenis said:

    While this is not an issue of fairness, I would like to add that the Victory Track can be demotivating after you reach your level of competence/ability to progress. For example, I am in Gold 1 and am facing rosters with loads of tough fights. I am a decent player and have a good roster, but I feel like there is little chance for me to progress, and with the BG cycle only half way complete, I am wondering why I should keep trying until it resets.

    I am fine losing and still have fun trying, and maybe in a week or two the other G1 players will be more like me bc the beefier rosters have moved up.

    And that's exactly (one of) the problem (s) right there: You can reach your limit in four days or a week, and that's it for the season for you. Since you don't want to keep losing, and losing energy or EMs and in general not having fun anymore.
    I don’t agree that rosters define your ‘limit’. I think it’s lazy of people to moan that they’re facing tough rosters which is why they can’t progress. That’s the whole point with it being a competitive game mode.
    So a minor league baseball team with a good roster (for their actual level) should be able to beat a major league team? Yes, maybe in a once off, but a series of 3, never
    Yes, if you draft well and select the appropriate attackers and defenders.

    Just because someone has a bigger roster doesn’t mean they get the automatic W. I faced a guy with the 18th biggest roster in the game (almost 3 times the size of mine) and won.
  • ThiartcThiartc Member Posts: 285 ★★
    FiiNCH said:

    Thiartc said:

    FiiNCH said:

    Searmenis said:

    While this is not an issue of fairness, I would like to add that the Victory Track can be demotivating after you reach your level of competence/ability to progress. For example, I am in Gold 1 and am facing rosters with loads of tough fights. I am a decent player and have a good roster, but I feel like there is little chance for me to progress, and with the BG cycle only half way complete, I am wondering why I should keep trying until it resets.

    I am fine losing and still have fun trying, and maybe in a week or two the other G1 players will be more like me bc the beefier rosters have moved up.

    And that's exactly (one of) the problem (s) right there: You can reach your limit in four days or a week, and that's it for the season for you. Since you don't want to keep losing, and losing energy or EMs and in general not having fun anymore.
    I don’t agree that rosters define your ‘limit’. I think it’s lazy of people to moan that they’re facing tough rosters which is why they can’t progress. That’s the whole point with it being a competitive game mode.
    So a minor league baseball team with a good roster (for their actual level) should be able to beat a major league team? Yes, maybe in a once off, but a series of 3, never
    Yes, if you draft well and select the appropriate attackers and defenders.

    Just because someone has a bigger roster doesn’t mean they get the automatic W. I faced a guy with the 18th biggest roster in the game (almost 3 times the size of mine) and won.
    Ok. Go and beat him 3 or 5 times in a row to get out of a bracket. That is what been happening to me. Win one, lose one. Like a said in a one off, yeah, by all means. But to get anywhere, nope
  • Doctorwho13Doctorwho13 Member Posts: 600 ★★★
    FiiNCH said:

    FiiNCH said:

    Searmenis said:

    While this is not an issue of fairness, I would like to add that the Victory Track can be demotivating after you reach your level of competence/ability to progress. For example, I am in Gold 1 and am facing rosters with loads of tough fights. I am a decent player and have a good roster, but I feel like there is little chance for me to progress, and with the BG cycle only half way complete, I am wondering why I should keep trying until it resets.

    I am fine losing and still have fun trying, and maybe in a week or two the other G1 players will be more like me bc the beefier rosters have moved up.

    And that's exactly (one of) the problem (s) right there: You can reach your limit in four days or a week, and that's it for the season for you. Since you don't want to keep losing, and losing energy or EMs and in general not having fun anymore.
    I don’t agree that rosters define your ‘limit’. I think it’s lazy of people to moan that they’re facing tough rosters which is why they can’t progress. That’s the whole point with it being a competitive game mode.

    10 minutes a match? No timer? Maybe. Sure even. In a 3 minute match? Where the end healthpool makes a difference in scoring ? I’m going to strongly agree to disagree there.
    I don’t see this as a valid argument. 2 of my most used defenders have been 5* (Penni and killmonger) and they’ve been getting me a ton of wins against rank 4 champs. The fact you use 5* doesn’t mean you can’t progress.
    That has as much and possibly more to do with random events and chance. More than anything.

    I don’t think this can really be refuted on a factual level. 2 people of equal skill and knowledge - but with a noteworthy disparity in decks - one with 5’s and one with 6R4 - the one with 6R4 has an extra option. Beat the clock.

    That’s it. Beat the clock. They could go for the outright KO. But they don’t have to. They can literally play keep away or passively until time runs down. They will get hit. Sure. But as long as their health is good, it doesn’t matter.

    The lower healthpool roster does not get the option to employ that tactic. With the wider difference invariably their only real option is to go for the KO.

    Please keep in mind to keep this in context. I specifically say players of equal skill and knowledge. The player with the higher roster may have played longer to obtain the mats for rank or game progression. Or even of equal skill but just paid money to advance. Either way, skill level between the 2 remains static and thus cancel each other out.

    Saying rosters don’t make a difference - in a timed event - is just simply not true.
  • FiiNCHFiiNCH Member Posts: 1,667 ★★★★★

    FiiNCH said:

    FiiNCH said:

    Searmenis said:

    While this is not an issue of fairness, I would like to add that the Victory Track can be demotivating after you reach your level of competence/ability to progress. For example, I am in Gold 1 and am facing rosters with loads of tough fights. I am a decent player and have a good roster, but I feel like there is little chance for me to progress, and with the BG cycle only half way complete, I am wondering why I should keep trying until it resets.

    I am fine losing and still have fun trying, and maybe in a week or two the other G1 players will be more like me bc the beefier rosters have moved up.

    And that's exactly (one of) the problem (s) right there: You can reach your limit in four days or a week, and that's it for the season for you. Since you don't want to keep losing, and losing energy or EMs and in general not having fun anymore.
    I don’t agree that rosters define your ‘limit’. I think it’s lazy of people to moan that they’re facing tough rosters which is why they can’t progress. That’s the whole point with it being a competitive game mode.

    10 minutes a match? No timer? Maybe. Sure even. In a 3 minute match? Where the end healthpool makes a difference in scoring ? I’m going to strongly agree to disagree there.
    I don’t see this as a valid argument. 2 of my most used defenders have been 5* (Penni and killmonger) and they’ve been getting me a ton of wins against rank 4 champs. The fact you use 5* doesn’t mean you can’t progress.
    That has as much and possibly more to do with random events and chance. More than anything.

    I don’t think this can really be refuted on a factual level. 2 people of equal skill and knowledge - but with a noteworthy disparity in decks - one with 5’s and one with 6R4 - the one with 6R4 has an extra option. Beat the clock.

    That’s it. Beat the clock. They could go for the outright KO. But they don’t have to. They can literally play keep away or passively until time runs down. They will get hit. Sure. But as long as their health is good, it doesn’t matter.

    The lower healthpool roster does not get the option to employ that tactic. With the wider difference invariably their only real option is to go for the KO.

    Please keep in mind to keep this in context. I specifically say players of equal skill and knowledge. The player with the higher roster may have played longer to obtain the mats for rank or game progression. Or even of equal skill but just paid money to advance. Either way, skill level between the 2 remains static and thus cancel each other out.

    Saying rosters don’t make a difference - in a timed event - is just simply not true.
    I’m not saying they don’t make a difference - I’m saying they don’t stop you from progressing.
  • FiiNCHFiiNCH Member Posts: 1,667 ★★★★★
    Thiartc said:

    FiiNCH said:

    Thiartc said:

    FiiNCH said:

    Searmenis said:

    While this is not an issue of fairness, I would like to add that the Victory Track can be demotivating after you reach your level of competence/ability to progress. For example, I am in Gold 1 and am facing rosters with loads of tough fights. I am a decent player and have a good roster, but I feel like there is little chance for me to progress, and with the BG cycle only half way complete, I am wondering why I should keep trying until it resets.

    I am fine losing and still have fun trying, and maybe in a week or two the other G1 players will be more like me bc the beefier rosters have moved up.

    And that's exactly (one of) the problem (s) right there: You can reach your limit in four days or a week, and that's it for the season for you. Since you don't want to keep losing, and losing energy or EMs and in general not having fun anymore.
    I don’t agree that rosters define your ‘limit’. I think it’s lazy of people to moan that they’re facing tough rosters which is why they can’t progress. That’s the whole point with it being a competitive game mode.
    So a minor league baseball team with a good roster (for their actual level) should be able to beat a major league team? Yes, maybe in a once off, but a series of 3, never
    Yes, if you draft well and select the appropriate attackers and defenders.

    Just because someone has a bigger roster doesn’t mean they get the automatic W. I faced a guy with the 18th biggest roster in the game (almost 3 times the size of mine) and won.
    Ok. Go and beat him 3 or 5 times in a row to get out of a bracket. That is what been happening to me. Win one, lose one. Like a said in a one off, yeah, by all means. But to get anywhere, nope
    You’re just outlining the fact you have a smaller roster than your opponent’s which is why you’re losing (or that’s how your comments read to me).

    Have you looked at the other variables? Have you got the best defenders ranked up (even as 5*’s)? Do you have the best attackers ranked? Are you drafting well? Are you using the appropriate tactics?

    Why don’t you post a pic of your champs so we can help suggest rank-ups that help in BG?
  • Graves_3Graves_3 Member Posts: 1,510 ★★★★★
    FiiNCH said:

    FiiNCH said:

    Searmenis said:

    While this is not an issue of fairness, I would like to add that the Victory Track can be demotivating after you reach your level of competence/ability to progress. For example, I am in Gold 1 and am facing rosters with loads of tough fights. I am a decent player and have a good roster, but I feel like there is little chance for me to progress, and with the BG cycle only half way complete, I am wondering why I should keep trying until it resets.

    I am fine losing and still have fun trying, and maybe in a week or two the other G1 players will be more like me bc the beefier rosters have moved up.

    And that's exactly (one of) the problem (s) right there: You can reach your limit in four days or a week, and that's it for the season for you. Since you don't want to keep losing, and losing energy or EMs and in general not having fun anymore.
    I don’t agree that rosters define your ‘limit’. I think it’s lazy of people to moan that they’re facing tough rosters which is why they can’t progress. That’s the whole point with it being a competitive game mode.

    10 minutes a match? No timer? Maybe. Sure even. In a 3 minute match? Where the end healthpool makes a difference in scoring ? I’m going to strongly agree to disagree there.
    I don’t see this as a valid argument. 2 of my most used defenders have been 5* (Penni and killmonger) and they’ve been getting me a ton of wins against rank 4 champs. The fact you use 5* doesn’t mean you can’t progress.
    Don’t you have a stacked roster? Why are you using 5* champs in your deck? Is it to lower your overall deck strength for favorable matchups?
  • FiiNCHFiiNCH Member Posts: 1,667 ★★★★★
    Graves_3 said:

    FiiNCH said:

    FiiNCH said:

    Searmenis said:

    While this is not an issue of fairness, I would like to add that the Victory Track can be demotivating after you reach your level of competence/ability to progress. For example, I am in Gold 1 and am facing rosters with loads of tough fights. I am a decent player and have a good roster, but I feel like there is little chance for me to progress, and with the BG cycle only half way complete, I am wondering why I should keep trying until it resets.

    I am fine losing and still have fun trying, and maybe in a week or two the other G1 players will be more like me bc the beefier rosters have moved up.

    And that's exactly (one of) the problem (s) right there: You can reach your limit in four days or a week, and that's it for the season for you. Since you don't want to keep losing, and losing energy or EMs and in general not having fun anymore.
    I don’t agree that rosters define your ‘limit’. I think it’s lazy of people to moan that they’re facing tough rosters which is why they can’t progress. That’s the whole point with it being a competitive game mode.

    10 minutes a match? No timer? Maybe. Sure even. In a 3 minute match? Where the end healthpool makes a difference in scoring ? I’m going to strongly agree to disagree there.
    I don’t see this as a valid argument. 2 of my most used defenders have been 5* (Penni and killmonger) and they’ve been getting me a ton of wins against rank 4 champs. The fact you use 5* doesn’t mean you can’t progress.
    Don’t you have a stacked roster? Why are you using 5* champs in your deck? Is it to lower your overall deck strength for favorable matchups?
    My roster is ok but by no means ‘stacked’. And I’m using 5* as defenders for this meta who I don’t have as 6* - such as Penni and kilmonger.
  • SuelGamesSuelGames Member Posts: 947 ★★★
    i gotta say that i found the way to progress between tiers pretty interesting tough, 3 wins in a row without losing, and also its impossible to drop a tier once u lose without any medals, i think they should at least keep that imo
  • K00shMaanK00shMaan Member Posts: 1,289 ★★★★
    FiiNCH said:

    Graves_3 said:

    FiiNCH said:

    FiiNCH said:

    Searmenis said:

    While this is not an issue of fairness, I would like to add that the Victory Track can be demotivating after you reach your level of competence/ability to progress. For example, I am in Gold 1 and am facing rosters with loads of tough fights. I am a decent player and have a good roster, but I feel like there is little chance for me to progress, and with the BG cycle only half way complete, I am wondering why I should keep trying until it resets.

    I am fine losing and still have fun trying, and maybe in a week or two the other G1 players will be more like me bc the beefier rosters have moved up.

    And that's exactly (one of) the problem (s) right there: You can reach your limit in four days or a week, and that's it for the season for you. Since you don't want to keep losing, and losing energy or EMs and in general not having fun anymore.
    I don’t agree that rosters define your ‘limit’. I think it’s lazy of people to moan that they’re facing tough rosters which is why they can’t progress. That’s the whole point with it being a competitive game mode.

    10 minutes a match? No timer? Maybe. Sure even. In a 3 minute match? Where the end healthpool makes a difference in scoring ? I’m going to strongly agree to disagree there.
    I don’t see this as a valid argument. 2 of my most used defenders have been 5* (Penni and killmonger) and they’ve been getting me a ton of wins against rank 4 champs. The fact you use 5* doesn’t mean you can’t progress.
    Don’t you have a stacked roster? Why are you using 5* champs in your deck? Is it to lower your overall deck strength for favorable matchups?
    My roster is ok but by no means ‘stacked’. And I’m using 5* as defenders for this meta who I don’t have as 6* - such as Penni and kilmonger.
    The audacity of someone calling you out for the trying to put the best champs you have in your deck is absolutely asinine. It really goes to show how to people are actually losing their matches. They don't understand how much strategy is going on with every decision in the game mode. I have a number of 5* R5s in my deck too. Some champs just don't shine in the game mode. Tons of people have 6* R4 Apoc. He really isn't that impressive in this game mode. Not nearly fast enough offensively. Alright on defense. I have a 6* R3 Shang-Chi too. He doesn't even make my deck. fantastic champ but just not here. Others really just need their sig but aren't worth it for any other game mode. Killmonger is a great example of this. You have so much influence over the outcome of the match before any of the fighting takes place. If people don't agree with that, then it doesn't surprise me that those people might also be struggling.
  • CoppinCoppin Member Posts: 2,601 ★★★★★
    K00shMaan said:

    FiiNCH said:

    Graves_3 said:

    FiiNCH said:

    FiiNCH said:

    Searmenis said:

    While this is not an issue of fairness, I would like to add that the Victory Track can be demotivating after you reach your level of competence/ability to progress. For example, I am in Gold 1 and am facing rosters with loads of tough fights. I am a decent player and have a good roster, but I feel like there is little chance for me to progress, and with the BG cycle only half way complete, I am wondering why I should keep trying until it resets.

    I am fine losing and still have fun trying, and maybe in a week or two the other G1 players will be more like me bc the beefier rosters have moved up.

    And that's exactly (one of) the problem (s) right there: You can reach your limit in four days or a week, and that's it for the season for you. Since you don't want to keep losing, and losing energy or EMs and in general not having fun anymore.
    I don’t agree that rosters define your ‘limit’. I think it’s lazy of people to moan that they’re facing tough rosters which is why they can’t progress. That’s the whole point with it being a competitive game mode.

    10 minutes a match? No timer? Maybe. Sure even. In a 3 minute match? Where the end healthpool makes a difference in scoring ? I’m going to strongly agree to disagree there.
    I don’t see this as a valid argument. 2 of my most used defenders have been 5* (Penni and killmonger) and they’ve been getting me a ton of wins against rank 4 champs. The fact you use 5* doesn’t mean you can’t progress.
    Don’t you have a stacked roster? Why are you using 5* champs in your deck? Is it to lower your overall deck strength for favorable matchups?
    My roster is ok but by no means ‘stacked’. And I’m using 5* as defenders for this meta who I don’t have as 6* - such as Penni and kilmonger.
    The audacity of someone calling you out for the trying to put the best champs you have in your deck is absolutely asinine. It really goes to show how to people are actually losing their matches. They don't understand how much strategy is going on with every decision in the game mode. I have a number of 5* R5s in my deck too. Some champs just don't shine in the game mode. Tons of people have 6* R4 Apoc. He really isn't that impressive in this game mode. Not nearly fast enough offensively. Alright on defense. I have a 6* R3 Shang-Chi too. He doesn't even make my deck. fantastic champ but just not here. Others really just need their sig but aren't worth it for any other game mode. Killmonger is a great example of this. You have so much influence over the outcome of the match before any of the fighting takes place. If people don't agree with that, then it doesn't surprise me that those people might also be struggling.
    Yeah.. a lot of people think . Roster.. rank ahhh im gonna lose...
    Well lets talk about examples...
    If a skilled or seasoned player.. has both 5* max sig void and a 6* dup void... He will take the 5*...same for OR.. same for a lot of champs..
    A 5* max sig korg is a lot more annoying to fight than a 6* r2 sig20...
    So i agree.. people are nit picking on the issue that they are losing.. instead of figuring out best defense.. best offense...not considering the Node.. its all just shiny stars and high ranks...
  • CoppinCoppin Member Posts: 2,601 ★★★★★
    Graves_3 said:

    FiiNCH said:

    FiiNCH said:

    Searmenis said:

    While this is not an issue of fairness, I would like to add that the Victory Track can be demotivating after you reach your level of competence/ability to progress. For example, I am in Gold 1 and am facing rosters with loads of tough fights. I am a decent player and have a good roster, but I feel like there is little chance for me to progress, and with the BG cycle only half way complete, I am wondering why I should keep trying until it resets.

    I am fine losing and still have fun trying, and maybe in a week or two the other G1 players will be more like me bc the beefier rosters have moved up.

    And that's exactly (one of) the problem (s) right there: You can reach your limit in four days or a week, and that's it for the season for you. Since you don't want to keep losing, and losing energy or EMs and in general not having fun anymore.
    I don’t agree that rosters define your ‘limit’. I think it’s lazy of people to moan that they’re facing tough rosters which is why they can’t progress. That’s the whole point with it being a competitive game mode.

    10 minutes a match? No timer? Maybe. Sure even. In a 3 minute match? Where the end healthpool makes a difference in scoring ? I’m going to strongly agree to disagree there.
    I don’t see this as a valid argument. 2 of my most used defenders have been 5* (Penni and killmonger) and they’ve been getting me a ton of wins against rank 4 champs. The fact you use 5* doesn’t mean you can’t progress.
    Don’t you have a stacked roster? Why are you using 5* champs in your deck? Is it to lower your overall deck strength for favorable matchups?
    A roster can be stacked with all the wrong champs for the mod..
    I guess u just look at champs and say "yay i got a god tier!" and don't factor out that it might need dup or high sig?...
    Sometimes a 5* max sig is a much better defender than a 6* sig 1-20...
    Oh yay got a god tier 6*.. im gonna use the generic awakening stone and have it at sig 1!!...
  • Ironman3000Ironman3000 Member Posts: 1,954 ★★★★★
    It's really sad that they ruined a great mode that many were excited for with awful matchmaking and rewards brackets. It just feels like all the betas were just a waste of time.
  • Graves_3Graves_3 Member Posts: 1,510 ★★★★★
    Coppin said:

    Graves_3 said:

    FiiNCH said:

    FiiNCH said:

    Searmenis said:

    While this is not an issue of fairness, I would like to add that the Victory Track can be demotivating after you reach your level of competence/ability to progress. For example, I am in Gold 1 and am facing rosters with loads of tough fights. I am a decent player and have a good roster, but I feel like there is little chance for me to progress, and with the BG cycle only half way complete, I am wondering why I should keep trying until it resets.

    I am fine losing and still have fun trying, and maybe in a week or two the other G1 players will be more like me bc the beefier rosters have moved up.

    And that's exactly (one of) the problem (s) right there: You can reach your limit in four days or a week, and that's it for the season for you. Since you don't want to keep losing, and losing energy or EMs and in general not having fun anymore.
    I don’t agree that rosters define your ‘limit’. I think it’s lazy of people to moan that they’re facing tough rosters which is why they can’t progress. That’s the whole point with it being a competitive game mode.

    10 minutes a match? No timer? Maybe. Sure even. In a 3 minute match? Where the end healthpool makes a difference in scoring ? I’m going to strongly agree to disagree there.
    I don’t see this as a valid argument. 2 of my most used defenders have been 5* (Penni and killmonger) and they’ve been getting me a ton of wins against rank 4 champs. The fact you use 5* doesn’t mean you can’t progress.
    Don’t you have a stacked roster? Why are you using 5* champs in your deck? Is it to lower your overall deck strength for favorable matchups?
    A roster can be stacked with all the wrong champs for the mod..
    I guess u just look at champs and say "yay i got a god tier!" and don't factor out that it might need dup or high sig?...
    Sometimes a 5* max sig is a much better defender than a 6* sig 1-20...
    Oh yay got a god tier 6*.. im gonna use the generic awakening stone and have it at sig 1!!...
    That’s a lot of assumptions about someone you don’t know anything about..does it help you sleep better at night? If it does then good for you. Keep assuming..
  • FiiNCHFiiNCH Member Posts: 1,667 ★★★★★
    Graves_3 said:

    Coppin said:

    Graves_3 said:

    FiiNCH said:

    FiiNCH said:

    Searmenis said:

    While this is not an issue of fairness, I would like to add that the Victory Track can be demotivating after you reach your level of competence/ability to progress. For example, I am in Gold 1 and am facing rosters with loads of tough fights. I am a decent player and have a good roster, but I feel like there is little chance for me to progress, and with the BG cycle only half way complete, I am wondering why I should keep trying until it resets.

    I am fine losing and still have fun trying, and maybe in a week or two the other G1 players will be more like me bc the beefier rosters have moved up.

    And that's exactly (one of) the problem (s) right there: You can reach your limit in four days or a week, and that's it for the season for you. Since you don't want to keep losing, and losing energy or EMs and in general not having fun anymore.
    I don’t agree that rosters define your ‘limit’. I think it’s lazy of people to moan that they’re facing tough rosters which is why they can’t progress. That’s the whole point with it being a competitive game mode.

    10 minutes a match? No timer? Maybe. Sure even. In a 3 minute match? Where the end healthpool makes a difference in scoring ? I’m going to strongly agree to disagree there.
    I don’t see this as a valid argument. 2 of my most used defenders have been 5* (Penni and killmonger) and they’ve been getting me a ton of wins against rank 4 champs. The fact you use 5* doesn’t mean you can’t progress.
    Don’t you have a stacked roster? Why are you using 5* champs in your deck? Is it to lower your overall deck strength for favorable matchups?
    A roster can be stacked with all the wrong champs for the mod..
    I guess u just look at champs and say "yay i got a god tier!" and don't factor out that it might need dup or high sig?...
    Sometimes a 5* max sig is a much better defender than a 6* sig 1-20...
    Oh yay got a god tier 6*.. im gonna use the generic awakening stone and have it at sig 1!!...
    That’s a lot of assumptions about someone you don’t know anything about..does it help you sleep better at night? If it does then good for you. Keep assuming..
    Would you share with us what rank you are in BG’s and what progression tier you are in game?
  • Graves_3Graves_3 Member Posts: 1,510 ★★★★★
    FiiNCH said:

    Graves_3 said:

    Coppin said:

    Graves_3 said:

    FiiNCH said:

    FiiNCH said:

    Searmenis said:

    While this is not an issue of fairness, I would like to add that the Victory Track can be demotivating after you reach your level of competence/ability to progress. For example, I am in Gold 1 and am facing rosters with loads of tough fights. I am a decent player and have a good roster, but I feel like there is little chance for me to progress, and with the BG cycle only half way complete, I am wondering why I should keep trying until it resets.

    I am fine losing and still have fun trying, and maybe in a week or two the other G1 players will be more like me bc the beefier rosters have moved up.

    And that's exactly (one of) the problem (s) right there: You can reach your limit in four days or a week, and that's it for the season for you. Since you don't want to keep losing, and losing energy or EMs and in general not having fun anymore.
    I don’t agree that rosters define your ‘limit’. I think it’s lazy of people to moan that they’re facing tough rosters which is why they can’t progress. That’s the whole point with it being a competitive game mode.

    10 minutes a match? No timer? Maybe. Sure even. In a 3 minute match? Where the end healthpool makes a difference in scoring ? I’m going to strongly agree to disagree there.
    I don’t see this as a valid argument. 2 of my most used defenders have been 5* (Penni and killmonger) and they’ve been getting me a ton of wins against rank 4 champs. The fact you use 5* doesn’t mean you can’t progress.
    Don’t you have a stacked roster? Why are you using 5* champs in your deck? Is it to lower your overall deck strength for favorable matchups?
    A roster can be stacked with all the wrong champs for the mod..
    I guess u just look at champs and say "yay i got a god tier!" and don't factor out that it might need dup or high sig?...
    Sometimes a 5* max sig is a much better defender than a 6* sig 1-20...
    Oh yay got a god tier 6*.. im gonna use the generic awakening stone and have it at sig 1!!...
    That’s a lot of assumptions about someone you don’t know anything about..does it help you sleep better at night? If it does then good for you. Keep assuming..
    Would you share with us what rank you are in BG’s and what progression tier you are in game?
    Sure! Since you asked nicely. I am paragon and in battlegrounds silver 3. Hope that helps. As suggested by someone earlier, I don’t buy wins. I just stopped playing after seeing the weird matchmaking algorithm. I am sure they will make some changes to this in future. Until then I am out!!
  • Graves_3Graves_3 Member Posts: 1,510 ★★★★★
    Well actually apparently I am silver 2 not silver 3.
  • K00shMaanK00shMaan Member Posts: 1,289 ★★★★
    Coppin said:

    K00shMaan said:

    FiiNCH said:

    Graves_3 said:

    FiiNCH said:

    FiiNCH said:

    Searmenis said:

    While this is not an issue of fairness, I would like to add that the Victory Track can be demotivating after you reach your level of competence/ability to progress. For example, I am in Gold 1 and am facing rosters with loads of tough fights. I am a decent player and have a good roster, but I feel like there is little chance for me to progress, and with the BG cycle only half way complete, I am wondering why I should keep trying until it resets.

    I am fine losing and still have fun trying, and maybe in a week or two the other G1 players will be more like me bc the beefier rosters have moved up.

    And that's exactly (one of) the problem (s) right there: You can reach your limit in four days or a week, and that's it for the season for you. Since you don't want to keep losing, and losing energy or EMs and in general not having fun anymore.
    I don’t agree that rosters define your ‘limit’. I think it’s lazy of people to moan that they’re facing tough rosters which is why they can’t progress. That’s the whole point with it being a competitive game mode.

    10 minutes a match? No timer? Maybe. Sure even. In a 3 minute match? Where the end healthpool makes a difference in scoring ? I’m going to strongly agree to disagree there.
    I don’t see this as a valid argument. 2 of my most used defenders have been 5* (Penni and killmonger) and they’ve been getting me a ton of wins against rank 4 champs. The fact you use 5* doesn’t mean you can’t progress.
    Don’t you have a stacked roster? Why are you using 5* champs in your deck? Is it to lower your overall deck strength for favorable matchups?
    My roster is ok but by no means ‘stacked’. And I’m using 5* as defenders for this meta who I don’t have as 6* - such as Penni and kilmonger.
    The audacity of someone calling you out for the trying to put the best champs you have in your deck is absolutely asinine. It really goes to show how to people are actually losing their matches. They don't understand how much strategy is going on with every decision in the game mode. I have a number of 5* R5s in my deck too. Some champs just don't shine in the game mode. Tons of people have 6* R4 Apoc. He really isn't that impressive in this game mode. Not nearly fast enough offensively. Alright on defense. I have a 6* R3 Shang-Chi too. He doesn't even make my deck. fantastic champ but just not here. Others really just need their sig but aren't worth it for any other game mode. Killmonger is a great example of this. You have so much influence over the outcome of the match before any of the fighting takes place. If people don't agree with that, then it doesn't surprise me that those people might also be struggling.
    Yeah.. a lot of people think . Roster.. rank ahhh im gonna lose...
    Well lets talk about examples...
    If a skilled or seasoned player.. has both 5* max sig void and a 6* dup void... He will take the 5*...same for OR.. same for a lot of champs..
    A 5* max sig korg is a lot more annoying to fight than a 6* r2 sig20...
    So i agree.. people are nit picking on the issue that they are losing.. instead of figuring out best defense.. best offense...not considering the Node.. its all just shiny stars and high ranks...
    And it goes so much further than that. I think most people gloss over the ban phase. Can you imagine playing Yu-Gi-Oh or MTG or Hearthstone and getting an opportunity to see every single card in your opponents deck? There is so much info there. You can tell if they're running the Recoil Tree by who you see. No one is running champs like Diablo without Liquid Courage. Elsa and Omega Red are big flags too. See 8 or 9 gnarly Mystics. Probably running a lot of points in MD. Are they missing Torch or AA? Are they missing a counter for one of your better defenders? Being able to recognize what you need to watch out for before the fight phase is just so impactful.
  • FiiNCHFiiNCH Member Posts: 1,667 ★★★★★
    Graves_3 said:

    FiiNCH said:

    Graves_3 said:

    Coppin said:

    Graves_3 said:

    FiiNCH said:

    FiiNCH said:

    Searmenis said:

    While this is not an issue of fairness, I would like to add that the Victory Track can be demotivating after you reach your level of competence/ability to progress. For example, I am in Gold 1 and am facing rosters with loads of tough fights. I am a decent player and have a good roster, but I feel like there is little chance for me to progress, and with the BG cycle only half way complete, I am wondering why I should keep trying until it resets.

    I am fine losing and still have fun trying, and maybe in a week or two the other G1 players will be more like me bc the beefier rosters have moved up.

    And that's exactly (one of) the problem (s) right there: You can reach your limit in four days or a week, and that's it for the season for you. Since you don't want to keep losing, and losing energy or EMs and in general not having fun anymore.
    I don’t agree that rosters define your ‘limit’. I think it’s lazy of people to moan that they’re facing tough rosters which is why they can’t progress. That’s the whole point with it being a competitive game mode.

    10 minutes a match? No timer? Maybe. Sure even. In a 3 minute match? Where the end healthpool makes a difference in scoring ? I’m going to strongly agree to disagree there.
    I don’t see this as a valid argument. 2 of my most used defenders have been 5* (Penni and killmonger) and they’ve been getting me a ton of wins against rank 4 champs. The fact you use 5* doesn’t mean you can’t progress.
    Don’t you have a stacked roster? Why are you using 5* champs in your deck? Is it to lower your overall deck strength for favorable matchups?
    A roster can be stacked with all the wrong champs for the mod..
    I guess u just look at champs and say "yay i got a god tier!" and don't factor out that it might need dup or high sig?...
    Sometimes a 5* max sig is a much better defender than a 6* sig 1-20...
    Oh yay got a god tier 6*.. im gonna use the generic awakening stone and have it at sig 1!!...
    That’s a lot of assumptions about someone you don’t know anything about..does it help you sleep better at night? If it does then good for you. Keep assuming..
    Would you share with us what rank you are in BG’s and what progression tier you are in game?
    Sure! Since you asked nicely. I am paragon and in battlegrounds silver 3. Hope that helps. As suggested by someone earlier, I don’t buy wins. I just stopped playing after seeing the weird matchmaking algorithm. I am sure they will make some changes to this in future. Until then I am out!!
    Hmm, we’re both at the same progression tier in game so I’d say we have comparable depth of rosters.

    Have you taken a serious look at the champs you’re drafting? Do you have the best defenders for the meta in there? It’s easy to blame the matchmaking for the reason you’re not progressing, but I think that excuse falls away a lot for a paragon account.
  • Graves_3Graves_3 Member Posts: 1,510 ★★★★★
    FiiNCH said:

    Graves_3 said:

    FiiNCH said:

    Graves_3 said:

    Coppin said:

    Graves_3 said:

    FiiNCH said:

    FiiNCH said:

    Searmenis said:

    While this is not an issue of fairness, I would like to add that the Victory Track can be demotivating after you reach your level of competence/ability to progress. For example, I am in Gold 1 and am facing rosters with loads of tough fights. I am a decent player and have a good roster, but I feel like there is little chance for me to progress, and with the BG cycle only half way complete, I am wondering why I should keep trying until it resets.

    I am fine losing and still have fun trying, and maybe in a week or two the other G1 players will be more like me bc the beefier rosters have moved up.

    And that's exactly (one of) the problem (s) right there: You can reach your limit in four days or a week, and that's it for the season for you. Since you don't want to keep losing, and losing energy or EMs and in general not having fun anymore.
    I don’t agree that rosters define your ‘limit’. I think it’s lazy of people to moan that they’re facing tough rosters which is why they can’t progress. That’s the whole point with it being a competitive game mode.

    10 minutes a match? No timer? Maybe. Sure even. In a 3 minute match? Where the end healthpool makes a difference in scoring ? I’m going to strongly agree to disagree there.
    I don’t see this as a valid argument. 2 of my most used defenders have been 5* (Penni and killmonger) and they’ve been getting me a ton of wins against rank 4 champs. The fact you use 5* doesn’t mean you can’t progress.
    Don’t you have a stacked roster? Why are you using 5* champs in your deck? Is it to lower your overall deck strength for favorable matchups?
    A roster can be stacked with all the wrong champs for the mod..
    I guess u just look at champs and say "yay i got a god tier!" and don't factor out that it might need dup or high sig?...
    Sometimes a 5* max sig is a much better defender than a 6* sig 1-20...
    Oh yay got a god tier 6*.. im gonna use the generic awakening stone and have it at sig 1!!...
    That’s a lot of assumptions about someone you don’t know anything about..does it help you sleep better at night? If it does then good for you. Keep assuming..
    Would you share with us what rank you are in BG’s and what progression tier you are in game?
    Sure! Since you asked nicely. I am paragon and in battlegrounds silver 3. Hope that helps. As suggested by someone earlier, I don’t buy wins. I just stopped playing after seeing the weird matchmaking algorithm. I am sure they will make some changes to this in future. Until then I am out!!
    Hmm, we’re both at the same progression tier in game so I’d say we have comparable depth of rosters.

    Have you taken a serious look at the champs you’re drafting? Do you have the best defenders for the meta in there? It’s easy to blame the matchmaking for the reason you’re not progressing, but I think that excuse falls away a lot for a paragon account.
    Been playing this game for way too long. I have 32r3’s and 4 r4’s. Plenty of r2 champs in addition to this. I tried using all 5* in my deck, a bunch of 2* along with 6* champs and just my strongest champs. When I used all 5* I got matched with thronebreakers and when I had 2*, I got matched with cavaliers who had 4* and low 5* champs in their decks. When I draft my strongest, I get matched against the strongest rosters who are with me in the same silver or bronze tier.
    With a 50% win rate when I try to play honestly, it’s an energy dump to try to advance and I lost interest. And mind you that there are stacked rosters still in bronze and silver because they keep getting matched against each other and lose every other match.
    Let me try playing my uncollected alt account and see how easy/difficult it is to advance-for the sake of science.
  • FiiNCHFiiNCH Member Posts: 1,667 ★★★★★
    Graves_3 said:

    FiiNCH said:

    Graves_3 said:

    FiiNCH said:

    Graves_3 said:

    Coppin said:

    Graves_3 said:

    FiiNCH said:

    FiiNCH said:

    Searmenis said:

    While this is not an issue of fairness, I would like to add that the Victory Track can be demotivating after you reach your level of competence/ability to progress. For example, I am in Gold 1 and am facing rosters with loads of tough fights. I am a decent player and have a good roster, but I feel like there is little chance for me to progress, and with the BG cycle only half way complete, I am wondering why I should keep trying until it resets.

    I am fine losing and still have fun trying, and maybe in a week or two the other G1 players will be more like me bc the beefier rosters have moved up.

    And that's exactly (one of) the problem (s) right there: You can reach your limit in four days or a week, and that's it for the season for you. Since you don't want to keep losing, and losing energy or EMs and in general not having fun anymore.
    I don’t agree that rosters define your ‘limit’. I think it’s lazy of people to moan that they’re facing tough rosters which is why they can’t progress. That’s the whole point with it being a competitive game mode.

    10 minutes a match? No timer? Maybe. Sure even. In a 3 minute match? Where the end healthpool makes a difference in scoring ? I’m going to strongly agree to disagree there.
    I don’t see this as a valid argument. 2 of my most used defenders have been 5* (Penni and killmonger) and they’ve been getting me a ton of wins against rank 4 champs. The fact you use 5* doesn’t mean you can’t progress.
    Don’t you have a stacked roster? Why are you using 5* champs in your deck? Is it to lower your overall deck strength for favorable matchups?
    A roster can be stacked with all the wrong champs for the mod..
    I guess u just look at champs and say "yay i got a god tier!" and don't factor out that it might need dup or high sig?...
    Sometimes a 5* max sig is a much better defender than a 6* sig 1-20...
    Oh yay got a god tier 6*.. im gonna use the generic awakening stone and have it at sig 1!!...
    That’s a lot of assumptions about someone you don’t know anything about..does it help you sleep better at night? If it does then good for you. Keep assuming..
    Would you share with us what rank you are in BG’s and what progression tier you are in game?
    Sure! Since you asked nicely. I am paragon and in battlegrounds silver 3. Hope that helps. As suggested by someone earlier, I don’t buy wins. I just stopped playing after seeing the weird matchmaking algorithm. I am sure they will make some changes to this in future. Until then I am out!!
    Hmm, we’re both at the same progression tier in game so I’d say we have comparable depth of rosters.

    Have you taken a serious look at the champs you’re drafting? Do you have the best defenders for the meta in there? It’s easy to blame the matchmaking for the reason you’re not progressing, but I think that excuse falls away a lot for a paragon account.
    Been playing this game for way too long. I have 32r3’s and 4 r4’s. Plenty of r2 champs in addition to this. I tried using all 5* in my deck, a bunch of 2* along with 6* champs and just my strongest champs. When I used all 5* I got matched with thronebreakers and when I had 2*, I got matched with cavaliers who had 4* and low 5* champs in their decks. When I draft my strongest, I get matched against the strongest rosters who are with me in the same silver or bronze tier.
    With a 50% win rate when I try to play honestly, it’s an energy dump to try to advance and I lost interest. And mind you that there are stacked rosters still in bronze and silver because they keep getting matched against each other and lose every other match.
    Let me try playing my uncollected alt account and see how easy/difficult it is to advance-for the sake of science.
    Sounds like you’ve got a good roster (slightly bigger than mine)

    I can only speak to my experience - but I’ve not had any issues with moving up the ranks into diamond 1 so far. I’ve matched some big rosters on the way too.

    Perhaps keep on experimenting with your defenders/attackers until you land on the right roster? My most used defenders have been Penni/kilmonger/hulking/fury/manthing.
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