Huge mastery issue

Pls correct me if im wrong but:

Kabam have previously said something along the lines of they want to allow us to swap mastery builds (outside of whats in bg) but its difficult to implement. Then why on earth do we have to spend like 80+ units every time we want to change masteries?

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Tijjy007

Those who arena grind and run suicides, in high tier wars are constantly switching between masteries. I imagine when masteries were implemented years ago this wasnt really a thought and this specific issue with masteries needs a swift update? (I understand masteries have been talked about getting an overhaul/update by kabam)

Denslo500

I think the best mastery change they could make, is to make changes free.

I would open things like Inequity.
It would make masteries feel updated.

Colinwhitworth69

There are a lot of threads on this issue, and in one thread, @DNA3000 had a great post about the reasons mastery swaps are not free. Search for that.

Giuliameij

Even if mastery get easy swap builds. Never has it ever been said to become free. Just quicker.
Unlocking certain masteries like suicide masteries are a choice. The war argument is used most of the time. Running suicides has a lot of benefits. But it also comes with downsides. If you do not want those downsides in certain aspects of the game you either need to throw down units, or need to work around the downsides.
Having them changable with just one push of a button would be much appreciated thou.

Shiroihara

Having to pay to swap masteries is the main reason I don't play battlegrounds. I own the road but for some reason I have to pay toll.

Coppin

Having to pay to swap masteries is the main reason I don't play battlegrounds. I own the road but for some reason I have to pay toll.

More like u are renting the house and the landlord made the rules...

Shiroihara

Having to pay to swap masteries is the main reason I don't play battlegrounds. I own the road but for some reason I have to pay toll.
More like u are renting the house and the landlord made the rules...

And one of the rules is that, even though I already paid rent, I have to pay again every time I go to a different room.

Denslo500

@Colinwhitworth69
People of means, routinely change masteries all the time. The game goes on.

This is a simple change that would make the game fresh and new.

Odds are, the cost of the change would be MUCH less than the cost of developing something like bases, Marvel Realm of Champions, etc.

It would increase revenues due to: increased player curiosity/engagement and purchases (buying Cores to open the "new" masteries)

DNA3000

@Colinwhitworth69
People of means, routinely change masteries all the time. The game goes on.

This is a simple change that would make the game fresh and new.

Odds are, the cost of the change would be MUCH less than the cost of developing something like bases, Marvel Realm of Champions, etc.

It would increase revenues due to: increased player curiosity/engagement and purchases (buying Cores to open the "new" masteries)

Cost has nothing to do with it. The simple fact is, the fact that you are allowed to change masteries at all is a concession. The intent of masteries is for players to have to decide, between this mastery or that mastery. That's why we very deliberately don't get enough mastery points to turn on more than a subset of them, and why the strongest masteries tend to be locked behind point prerequisites: so we can't use all of our mastery points to turn on the strongest only. We have to choose.

If we could just change them whenever we wanted, we wouldn't have to choose anymore. The choice of masteries would be meaningless. The devs had a chance to make mastery changes free. Instead, they *reduced* the cost of changes so that changing would not be as costly, but still had enough cost to make mastery decisions meaningful. They had a second chance to make them free when Battlegrounds released, but instead of making them free they spent extra time and extra resources to deliberately avoid making them free, by making the modal instead. Which is to say, you still have to choose, and you still have to pay, but once you choose for a particular deck, you don't have to keep choosing that set up (and paying for it) over and over. This preserves the need for players to make a choice, but doesn't penalize them for playing multiple modes of the game that have different mastery requirements.

Yes, the costs land on different players in different ways. If you don't spend, those costs can be relatively high. If you spend enough, those costs can be immaterial. But that's simply the advantage spending offers in general. It doesn't change the nature of the game. If the fact that spenders can do it meant that everyone should just be allowed to do it as well, we'd all be getting hundreds of Cav crystals for free as well.

Colinwhitworth69

If we’re being honest with ourselves, Kabam has to be able to monetize parts of the game. Otherwise the game wouldn’t exist, at least not like it does now. Instead it would be Angry Birds, and you would’ve finished playing it years ago.

ProfessorG

Dissenting opinion @DNA3000

Just because Masteries are the way they are and the game team have continually made the choice to keep them that way does not necessitate that it is good for the game or the player.

There are many choices in the game which are which do not allow for change. Once you upgrade a champ that champ is forever upgraded (unless a crazy situation prompts RDT). Ultimately there are choices in the game that have future consequences that actually add to the inherent value proposition of the game. Mastery changes are not one of them. Being that Mastery changes are already able to be changed freely, this clearly deters from other decisions that are fixed.

At their core, Masteries were meant to enhance the player experience and unlock different aspects of various characters. Due to their prohibitive cost and tediousness to change, many players never have the opportunity to fully realize the value add to different champions in the game.

Two changes are necessary regarding Masteries…..

Loadouts in/for all game modes
Zero cost to reset/remove or change

Ultimately, the masteries have been paid for. There is an upfront cost of both time (xp) and units/cores to unlock them. Requiring players to continually pay to reset/change items they have already paid for is inherently bad design. Of course that bad design has led to more money for Kabam, but it actually has led to a less than ideal Mastery experience for every single user.

If @Kabam Miike were able to obtain any data for mastery changes, I guarantee you that during the period of Battlegrounds Beta when masteries were free there will have been more mastery changes than any given singular time period in MCOC history.

This free period during the beta resulted in many people experimenting and/or using masteries in a way that was not reasonably justifiable up to that point.

Being able to change masteries to run Arena, switch it up for Battlegrounds, another switch for a Carina’s Challenge, another change to prepare for war, and then finally set them for your EQ Legends run. What a magical experience to say the least.

To really take this conversation one step further……what would be even more amazing to see would be Mastery Loadouts that were champion specific! If Relics would be able to achieve something like this it would truly revolutionize the user experience and create an insane level of excitement. (Also, for monetization perspective this would almost force every user to unlock every single mastery to ensure they were able to personalize each character’s build optimally.)

LeNoirFaineant

It would be nice if mastery changes were free occasionally so that we could test different builds. Maybe during war off season. I don't think people should be able to easily place defenders in war without suicides and then run suicides for their attackers, or turn them off and on multiple times in a quest path. Honestly, why should you even be able to have different masteries for your attackers and defenders? If mastery changes were free but they locked when you placed your defenders until the war was over and when you entered a quest until you exit the quest that would be interesting.

TyEdge

I think the best mastery change they could make, is to make changes free.

I would open things like Inequity.
It would make masteries feel updated.

People always say stuff like this and never think it through. You wanna have everyone run suicides in war and defenders equipped with stuff like unfazed? No thanks.

I do wish you could pull your points off a single tree versus having to reclaim all offense/defense/utility though. If you want to remove suicides, you’re undoing glass cannon and recoil too.

Tijjy007

.thank you all for your responses

Denslo500

Sooooo, it would make war more interesting.

That is your argument against it?

Denslo500

@TyEdge
I did think it through.

All that will happen is, different champs will matter more