I greatly disagree with this Post, just like Units or any offer , its not for everyone if you are limited in Gold then i would advise against spending your Gold but for someone like myself and many other alliance mate with over 130 million in Gold a Gold deal would've been great for us , i also have over 4k Gold crystals among other resources.
So in that sense Kabam shouldn't put out Units offers because not everyone have tons of units, i got all the GOLD offer last year and i have 11 R4 and 27 R3 and i still have over 130 million in Gold so to make a post saying its a bad idea for everyone or for most when its prob just a bad idea for you is somewhat irresponsible, everyone in my alliance would've welcome the Gold Offer and about 60 % of them 30 are free to play.
Ahhh content creator. Not surprised, not at all. Absolute disgrace to the community along with most of the CCP members. Sliding with Kabam instead of sliding with player base. F Clowns........
Is the person who posted this part of the CCP? If this is in general how the CCP thing about the game then no wonder Kabam makes the decisions they do if they are hearing this type of feedback and running with it.
Happy to advocate the message of “make sure you manage your resources.” But this is insane to argue for an event to not be here at all because some people can’t manage there resources or can’t do a simple cost benefit analysis. Kabam needs an open forum with some non CCP players who are more in touch with reality.
the problem is not only that there was no offer with gold, but also that kabam and the administration of the forum scored on the players and did not even begin to answer them. And the topic had more views than almost any kabam topic, this shows how the developers treat the players, even the video of YouTubers did not help. One can now completely think that only $ is important for this company and not the opinion of the players. I’m sure many would calm down if kabam answered, and if they made a promotion with 6 * nexus kabam, they wouldn’t lose their precious money either ...
Is the person who posted this part of the CCP? If this is in general how the CCP thing about the game then no wonder Kabam makes the decisions they do if they are hearing this type of feedback and running with it.
Happy to advocate the message of “make sure you manage your resources.” But this is insane to argue for an event to not be here at all because some people can’t manage there resources or can’t do a simple cost benefit analysis. Kabam needs an open forum with some non CCP players who are more in touch with reality.
I don't know if this is representative of the CCP, same way you are me posting something isn't necessarily representative of the player base.
I also think we do have an open forum with non CCP members, we're on it..
Is the person who posted this part of the CCP? If this is in general how the CCP thing about the game then no wonder Kabam makes the decisions they do if they are hearing this type of feedback and running with it.
Happy to advocate the message of “make sure you manage your resources.” But this is insane to argue for an event to not be here at all because some people can’t manage there resources or can’t do a simple cost benefit analysis. Kabam needs an open forum with some non CCP players who are more in touch with reality.
I don't know if this is representative of the CCP, same way you are me posting something isn't necessarily representative of the player base.
I also think we do have an open forum with non CCP members, we're on it..
I agree 99%, except this forum isn't exactly an open one with kabam, it's with each other and then limited discussions with kabam (via mods). That's assuming the CCP forums are ones where open discussions actually occur (having not been in them).
Is the person who posted this part of the CCP? If this is in general how the CCP thing about the game then no wonder Kabam makes the decisions they do if they are hearing this type of feedback and running with it.
Happy to advocate the message of “make sure you manage your resources.” But this is insane to argue for an event to not be here at all because some people can’t manage there resources or can’t do a simple cost benefit analysis. Kabam needs an open forum with some non CCP players who are more in touch with reality.
I don't know if this is representative of the CCP, same way you are me posting something isn't necessarily representative of the player base.
I also think we do have an open forum with non CCP members, we're on it..
I agree 99%, except this forum isn't exactly an open one with kabam, it's with each other and then limited discussions with kabam (via mods). That's assuming the CCP forums are ones where open discussions actually occur (having not been in them).
Maybe so and it's a fair point, but what I meant was we have something that allows us to give feedback directly to Kabam - I don't think we need another separate one for non CCP members
Is the person who posted this part of the CCP? If this is in general how the CCP thing about the game then no wonder Kabam makes the decisions they do if they are hearing this type of feedback and running with it.
Happy to advocate the message of “make sure you manage your resources.” But this is insane to argue for an event to not be here at all because some people can’t manage there resources or can’t do a simple cost benefit analysis. Kabam needs an open forum with some non CCP players who are more in touch with reality.
I don't know if this is representative of the CCP, same way you are me posting something isn't necessarily representative of the player base.
I also think we do have an open forum with non CCP members, we're on it..
I agree 99%, except this forum isn't exactly an open one with kabam, it's with each other and then limited discussions with kabam (via mods). That's assuming the CCP forums are ones where open discussions actually occur (having not been in them).
Maybe so and it's a fair point, but what I meant was we have something that allows us to give feedback directly to Kabam - I don't think we need another separate one for non CCP members
I can agree with that - I dont think there can be a truly/fully open forum like that any way. Not with a business at least.
With all due respect, this post is absurd. Deciding how/when/where to allocate resources is a key strategic element in this game. You want to use your gold to rank and level more champs, while I might want to use my gold to rank and level fewer champs while keeping some available to use for an occasional special offer. Having that choice available is in no way inherently bad.
My biggest takeaway from this post was that even for someone getting a very large percentage of the attainable Gold in this game, they are unable to get quite enough to cover the cost of using their Catalysts and ISO. Because of this, it would be a bad idea to have offers for Gold. Absolutely valid opinion but this is my Counter Argument.
Do you get enough Trophy Tokens to buy everything from the Battlegrounds Store Do you get enough Incursion Artifacts to buy everything from the Incursion Store Do you get enough Glory from AQ to buy everything from the Glory Store? Do you get enough Loyalty from AW, etc. to buy everything from the Loyalty Store? Do you get enough Units (for free) to get every single (relevant) Unit Deal that is offered?
You'll realize the answer to all of these is no. you don't get enough of anything. You use the resources you get for the things you think will help you the most. We are constantly making decisions based on opportunity costs in this game. So although I may not get enough Gold to use use certain resources, it may still be in my accounts best interest to use its Gold on the hypothetical deals that we never saw. People were hoping to be able to make that decision themselves. Kabam could've had the deals and then offered additional cash/units deals specifically for Gold for those that would otherwise not be able to partake but were interested. Some of us just have an absurd amount of gold from when things were cheaper that we don't see ourselves running out of.
But the majority of the community was really looking forward to the deals? So, now what?
Many things the majority want are not for the best.
what's best for the community is not for you to decide
It isn't for the community to decide either.
There are people who have a lot better memories than me who can point to the Kabam decisions that have been changed due to community feedback. 12.0, act 6 rewards, AOL rewards, side quest difficulty with the OG Avengers and you got an infinity stone, Cav difficulty time to complete vs rewards, Seatin’s state of the game leading the road maps, Loyalty allocation from AW wins, Battle Grounds implementation.
There are probably loads more but that’s from the top of my head. The community doesn’t get everything we want implementing and neither should we because we. But you act like what the community wants will never make the game better and everything Kabam put out is perfect because Kabam put it out. You give no acknowledgment that as a community there has been a multitude of changes made directly due to community feedback/pressure that have positively impacted the game. We’d be playing a game based on the 12.0 patch if it were up to you.
Meanwhile, children at the age of 13 with 0 dollars to spend.
So money offers aren't good either huh?
Well that is most certainly a TAKE. Thank you for your non-contributory response that had nothing at all to do with the points I was making! Have a lovely afternoon!
Your entire point is that you don't have enought gold, so the offers aren't good. You're even a p2w player by the looks of it, this shouldn't be a problem to you.
I just used the same logic but swiched the currency. The 13yo example can be ignored
Good sir, since you appear to need a condensed variation of my point, here it is:
We get a lot more champions now. They are expensive to rank up. Gold is hard to acquire if you do not do arena. It is easy to blow through gold quickly as a result of those things. Not running gold offers was a good idea because it is a resource that is hard to acquire a lot of.
My own, personal experience was meant to add nothing but flavor to the overall point. Thanks!
I haven't had time to read all of your responses, but you are up there with one of the most condescending posters I've ever read on this site, which is saying something. Multiple people have provided excellent counter arguments to your post, and you've just brushed them all off as ill-informed or in the minority. You DESPERATELY need to get over yourself.
Is the person who posted this part of the CCP? If this is in general how the CCP thing about the game then no wonder Kabam makes the decisions they do if they are hearing this type of feedback and running with it.
Happy to advocate the message of “make sure you manage your resources.” But this is insane to argue for an event to not be here at all because some people can’t manage there resources or can’t do a simple cost benefit analysis. Kabam needs an open forum with some non CCP players who are more in touch with reality.
The CCP has a diverse set of players advocating from a diverse set of positions. While Dragon has her opinion, RichtheMan posted a video expressing essentially the opposite opinion.
The CCP has a reputation in some circles as being either a rubber stamp on Kabam's decisions or being guided purely by self-interest. As someone that has been a party to the discussions that happen between CCP members and Kabam, I can say those characterizations are wildly untrue.
Kabam is aware of the kinds of discussions and feedback that is occurring on the forums. In fact, I don't think people post on the forums as if they were potentially being heard by the forums. They tend to post fishing for the approval of the mob. However, an argument or position does not look more convincing just because it gains the accolades of the mob. In fact, this can very strongly work against a position. If there is a difference between posting on the forums and constructing videos for Youtube and providing feedback in a closed forum, it is that the closed forum has no real mob to cheer you on. Arguments succeed or fail on their merits alone, something not true for "open" forums. This encourages people to make arguments on the merits alone.
If only people on the forums did that, who knows where their arguments might lead. Maybe, just maybe, the developers might want to hear more of what they have to say.
dragonfei talks like he was representing a group of players in the game, when hes clearly not. This isnt a syndicate, gold offers are good and bad depending on each player... not much to add, this thing is black or white. Theres no point in discuss something like this
So at it's core what you're saying is that players shouldn't get the choice to spend gold on what they want because it could hurt their progression? Should they stop offering cavs because the lack of units for revives for content could hurt a player's progress? I personally think that offers can't hurt anyone, because they are all optional and people are allowed to progress slower than the average accepted speed of progression if they want to get some offers. It's a choice, and a choice that you can entirely ignore can't hurt anyone's gameplay.
Just curious, 1. What makes you a content creator title? To be exact what content have you made? 2. Gold offer is just an offer, not compulsory. Why can’t open up this offer for other players who have excessive gold? You can’t afford a Patek, is that meaning everyone should only buy Smart Watch and dictate how other spend their resources? 3. It seems your only argument is to downplay other and label other as minority. What basis do you have to define who is majority and who minority?
Last year, I immediately regretted it once gifting came around. They offered increased gold throughout the game, then gold offer came, I snagged it up and got multiple great pulls over the next couple months. Now I had a gold problem. I wish I had that 10+ million to rank those Champs quicker. I finally got them ranked but damn.
I strongly disagree Gold offers were something lot of players looked forward to kabam alongside could have given lot of gold with the unit offers so summoners with scarce gold can have an easier time unlocking various offers of gold
I have some backreading to do but the last gold offer left me wondering.
Will I ever be capable or willing to grind for a 6*, no, but I can buy them cheap from lots of minor but semi regular grinding based on the offers. (For reference, I never collected every milestone and don't even enter arena every time)
Thats why I purchased it before and why I'm disappointed it didn't come back now.
Oh, and I have 7 million more gold that I did before I spent last time, still rank up who I want, when I like and don't see the issue with me doing it again if it was available.
"Not all offers are for all players" said someone, probably more than once, but I'd like to decide if an offer is good by either purchasing it or letting it go, which I do on a regular basis according to the cost/benefit to my account.
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Happy to advocate the message of “make sure you manage your resources.” But this is insane to argue for an event to not be here at all because some people can’t manage there resources or can’t do a simple cost benefit analysis. Kabam needs an open forum with some non CCP players who are more in touch with reality.
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I also think we do have an open forum with non CCP members, we're on it..
Do you get enough Trophy Tokens to buy everything from the Battlegrounds Store
Do you get enough Incursion Artifacts to buy everything from the Incursion Store
Do you get enough Glory from AQ to buy everything from the Glory Store?
Do you get enough Loyalty from AW, etc. to buy everything from the Loyalty Store?
Do you get enough Units (for free) to get every single (relevant) Unit Deal that is offered?
You'll realize the answer to all of these is no. you don't get enough of anything. You use the resources you get for the things you think will help you the most. We are constantly making decisions based on opportunity costs in this game. So although I may not get enough Gold to use use certain resources, it may still be in my accounts best interest to use its Gold on the hypothetical deals that we never saw. People were hoping to be able to make that decision themselves. Kabam could've had the deals and then offered additional cash/units deals specifically for Gold for those that would otherwise not be able to partake but were interested. Some of us just have an absurd amount of gold from when things were cheaper that we don't see ourselves running out of.
12.0, act 6 rewards, AOL rewards, side quest difficulty with the OG Avengers and you got an infinity stone, Cav difficulty time to complete vs rewards, Seatin’s state of the game leading the road maps, Loyalty allocation from AW wins, Battle Grounds implementation.
There are probably loads more but that’s from the top of my head. The community doesn’t get everything we want implementing and neither should we because we. But you act like what the community wants will never make the game better and everything Kabam put out is perfect because Kabam put it out. You give no acknowledgment that as a community there has been a multitude of changes made directly due to community feedback/pressure that have positively impacted the game. We’d be playing a game based on the 12.0 patch if it were up to you.
This is the most disagreed post in Forum history I believe
https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/221552/either-nerf-doom-or-give-everyone-doom/p1
Clearly, that OP was banned for speaking the language of the gods
The CCP has a reputation in some circles as being either a rubber stamp on Kabam's decisions or being guided purely by self-interest. As someone that has been a party to the discussions that happen between CCP members and Kabam, I can say those characterizations are wildly untrue.
Kabam is aware of the kinds of discussions and feedback that is occurring on the forums. In fact, I don't think people post on the forums as if they were potentially being heard by the forums. They tend to post fishing for the approval of the mob. However, an argument or position does not look more convincing just because it gains the accolades of the mob. In fact, this can very strongly work against a position. If there is a difference between posting on the forums and constructing videos for Youtube and providing feedback in a closed forum, it is that the closed forum has no real mob to cheer you on. Arguments succeed or fail on their merits alone, something not true for "open" forums. This encourages people to make arguments on the merits alone.
If only people on the forums did that, who knows where their arguments might lead. Maybe, just maybe, the developers might want to hear more of what they have to say.
This isnt a syndicate, gold offers are good and bad depending on each player... not much to add, this thing is black or white.
Theres no point in discuss something like this
1. What makes you a content creator title? To be exact what content have you made?
2. Gold offer is just an offer, not compulsory. Why can’t open up this offer for other players who have excessive gold? You can’t afford a Patek, is that meaning everyone should only buy Smart Watch and dictate how other spend their resources?
3. It seems your only argument is to downplay other and label other as minority. What basis do you have to define who is majority and who minority?
Will I ever be capable or willing to grind for a 6*, no, but I can buy them cheap from lots of minor but semi regular grinding based on the offers. (For reference, I never collected every milestone and don't even enter arena every time)
Thats why I purchased it before and why I'm disappointed it didn't come back now.
Oh, and I have 7 million more gold that I did before I spent last time, still rank up who I want, when I like and don't see the issue with me doing it again if it was available.
"Not all offers are for all players" said someone, probably more than once, but I'd like to decide if an offer is good by either purchasing it or letting it go, which I do on a regular basis according to the cost/benefit to my account.