Kabam REMOVE that damn "Accept / Refuse" choice in BG!

I already made a post about it, but I can't stress it enough.
First MUST change in BG is to remove that choice, it opens up too many exploits.
It's been (and I'm not joking, I made a video about it) 3 hours that I keep getting MATCH Refused because some morons are abusing the matchmaking system at the top of the leaderboards. I literally CAN'T play.

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NightMonkey

Again now.

Colinwhitworth69

Never happened to me. Weird.

Anyway, I am not sure what the purpose of that choice is, considering that you get no info that would help you decide. I mean, you already clicked the play button or whatever it’s called, so why have to confirm?

NightMonkey

It happens specifically at the top of the leaderboards (Celestial +) and has been known for the longest time now.
This entire morning I got to play A SINGLE MATCH (Against a modder BTW who took down my R4 KingPin using BWCV in 40 seconds 100% health).
The process is very simple:
- You have 2 devices (A legit one and a modding one)
- Hit Search
- If they match at the same time you know it's between yours 2 devices
- If just one gets a match, you refuse and repeat.

It happens over and over and over again, I got refused more than 50 times this morning cause someone was trying to abuse the matchmaking system.
Just took the damn button away, it doens't make any sense.

PS: LITERALLY NO ONE IN CELESTIAL + HAS EVER MATCHED RAYMOND333333 (1°ST), just saying...

Ceo_Wakeford

It happens specifically at the top of the leaderboards (Celestial +) and has been known for the longest time now.
This entire morning I got to play A SINGLE MATCH (Against a modder BTW who took down my R4 KingPin using BWCV in 40 seconds 100% health).
The process is very simple:
- You have 2 devices (A legit one and a modding one)
- Hit Search
- If they match at the same time you know it's between yours 2 devices
- If just one gets a match, you refuse and repeat.

It happens over and over and over again, I got refused more than 50 times this morning cause someone was trying to abuse the matchmaking system.
Just took the damn button away, it doens't make any sense.

PS: LITERALLY NO ONE IN CELESTIAL + HAS EVER MATCHED RAYMOND333333 (1°ST), just saying...

Yeah totally agree with you and many of tcn ally players abusing it ,im a 90% sure about that

Ceo_Wakeford

Modders,abusers unfair ,so much time spent ,i guess ill stop playing bg on Gladiators curcuit

Bugmat78

Never happened to me. Weird.

Anyway, I am not sure what the purpose of that choice is, considering that you get no info that would help you decide. I mean, you already clicked the play button or whatever it’s called, so why have to confirm?

They are trying to match up to their own devices - if you have 2 in the same room you can tell if you matched with it or not. I have had a case where a matchfixer made the mistake of thinking he did match up with himself when he accepted. When he saw it was me and not his other device he quit immediately as soon as the versus screen ended.

Oh wait misread your post - I am in agreement. Remove the accept/decline.

Wozzle007

The problem is matchmaking isn’t instantaneous and sometimes zone out waiting for a match and miss the countdown to accept. Not often but it happens.

Now I’m not saying what your describing isn’t a real issue that needs a solution, all cheating / exploiting absolutely does. I would hope Kabam could have a count of number of times times accounts enter matchmaking vs number of accepts. If its below 25% (or some other number) it gets flagged for suspicious behaviour, with the account messaged to advise they are exploiting the game. Unless they actually accept matches they enter they will be banned / penalised.

Ngoalong711

very easy solution just like what Riot do with their LOL.
it's ok to refuse the first time
but then if you refuse the second time : 5 minutes for the next match
3rd refuse : 30 minutes
4th refuse : **** off and wait for the next season ( no i'm kidding but 2 hours or so)

Gogi

It happens specifically at the top of the leaderboards (Celestial +) and has been known for the longest time now.
This entire morning I got to play A SINGLE MATCH (Against a modder BTW who took down my R4 KingPin using BWCV in 40 seconds 100% health).
The process is very simple:
- You have 2 devices (A legit one and a modding one)
- Hit Search
- If they match at the same time you know it's between yours 2 devices
- If just one gets a match, you refuse and repeat.

It happens over and over and over again, I got refused more than 50 times this morning cause someone was trying to abuse the matchmaking system.
Just took the damn button away, it doens't make any sense.

PS: LITERALLY NO ONE IN CELESTIAL + HAS EVER MATCHED RAYMOND333333 (1°ST), just saying...

That just a theory, maybe you get lucky and meet your "own" account or something. The chances should be low unless there are like 10 players playing BGs. I have encountered 2 rejects in total in lower bracket but not since then. It could be that the players you match with are AFK or maybe started by mistake? I know i have missed some matches myself when i have been waiting for 1min. You can't remove the reject option, but they could do something like to many rejects ends up with a penalty to queue for a new match for 1h or something like that.

NightMonkey

I know that it is something that mostly happens only in the higher tiers because trying out something like this in tiers where 50 people are playing at the same time is almost impossible, but if you are in Celestial V+ there are only a handful of people playing and if you got 2 account close together it is very likely that you'll get match to the other device.

The solution is the simplest one, I have no idea why it is not yet been implemented.

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NightMonkey

Exactly, this is why it has to be removed like ASAP.

30ish

Yup not even in celestial but in lower tiers too people are abusing that accept screen meta.
I’m currently in Mysterium happened 5 times to me. As soon as match starts people denied it, one time was like ok someone didn’t want it but it happened 4-5 times in a row then I was sure that something was going on.

frodo2377

I know there have been several posts about this but I agree.....the accept/decline match button has got to go. If you do implement a "lock out" timer instead....the timer should be for a 24 hour period before resetting your lockout number to 0.

IMO....this is an obvious abuse of the system in order to gain an unfair advantage over other players and should constitute a ban. It "should" be easy enough to determine who is doing it.

I'd like to see Kabam take their time, purge the leaderboards and ensure the end-results are something we can trust. We need some faith restored in the system.

Wicket329

The matchmaking abuse is a legitimate issue so just know that I’m not trying to undercut that when I say I actually like the button. I play very casually, and sometimes after I hit matchmaking but before I go into the match, something comes up in real life that I need to address. I like having that final “are you sure you want to commit the next ten-ish minutes” screen.

Hopefully there are ways to address this without getting rid of the screen entirely. Maybe make it so you can’t match with the same accounts back to back?

GinjabredMonsta

It happens specifically at the top of the leaderboards (Celestial +) and has been known for the longest time now.
This entire morning I got to play A SINGLE MATCH (Against a modder BTW who took down my R4 KingPin using BWCV in 40 seconds 100% health).
The process is very simple:
- You have 2 devices (A legit one and a modding one)
- Hit Search
- If they match at the same time you know it's between yours 2 devices
- If just one gets a match, you refuse and repeat.

It happens over and over and over again, I got refused more than 50 times this morning cause someone was trying to abuse the matchmaking system.
Just took the damn button away, it doens't make any sense.

PS: LITERALLY NO ONE IN CELESTIAL + HAS EVER MATCHED RAYMOND333333 (1°ST), just saying...
That just a theory, maybe you get lucky and meet your "own" account or something.
WHAT ARE THE CHANCES

Spoiler: the device taking this picture adds to the chances - the perks of having 7 accounts.

Luckily I don't care about bgs. But, for the record, very easy to game the system, kabam devs. Might want to look into it.

I think this image shows a bigger problem here…

Mauled

It happens specifically at the top of the leaderboards (Celestial +) and has been known for the longest time now.
This entire morning I got to play A SINGLE MATCH (Against a modder BTW who took down my R4 KingPin using BWCV in 40 seconds 100% health).
The process is very simple:
- You have 2 devices (A legit one and a modding one)
- Hit Search
- If they match at the same time you know it's between yours 2 devices
- If just one gets a match, you refuse and repeat.

It happens over and over and over again, I got refused more than 50 times this morning cause someone was trying to abuse the matchmaking system.
Just took the damn button away, it doens't make any sense.

PS: LITERALLY NO ONE IN CELESTIAL + HAS EVER MATCHED RAYMOND333333 (1°ST), just saying...
That just a theory, maybe you get lucky and meet your "own" account or something.
WHAT ARE THE CHANCES

Spoiler: the device taking this picture adds to the chances - the perks of having 7 accounts.

Luckily I don't care about bgs. But, for the record, very easy to game the system, kabam devs. Might want to look into it.
I think this image shows a bigger problem here…

That we’re poor?

frodo2377

The matchmaking abuse is a legitimate issue so just know that I’m not trying to undercut that when I say I actually like the button. I play very casually, and sometimes after I hit matchmaking but before I go into the match, something comes up in real life that I need to address. I like having that final “are you sure you want to commit the next ten-ish minutes” screen.

Hopefully there are ways to address this without getting rid of the screen entirely. Maybe make it so you can’t match with the same accounts back to back?

It's definately a "nice to have" because let's face it....unexpected things happen. This is where the "lock out" timer comes into play for refusing a match. I like that suggestion more and more as long as sufficent steps are taken to ensure it can't be overly abused.

Mauled

I don’t necessarily think that the option to reject a matchup is a bad thing. There have been times where I’ve been ready for a match, just got the matchup and then real life strikes, usually in the form of the pup or the missus and I cant play.

If there was a limit on this being a once/hour type thing then I think that would be fair but I do agree that something needs to be implemented

Jaded

I don’t necessarily think that the option to reject a matchup is a bad thing. There have been times where I’ve been ready for a match, just got the matchup and then real life strikes, usually in the form of the pup or the missus and I cant play.

If there was a limit on this being a once/hour type thing then I think that would be fair but I do agree that something needs to be implemented

I second this, I don’t disagree with what’s being said about people matching themselves but I’ll decline matches for many different reasons but never to match myself. 9/10 times I’ll hit the button and the wife or kids will need something immediately 🤣, I’ve even had to quit matches at the start because something came up.

Denslo500

Happening in Platinum too

PetieCameron

People are exploiting with alt accounts and it's not fair to those not doing it with alts just a matter of time before we not allowed alt accounts because these people ruining it for everyone else as usual. 😡

Vendemiaire

I agree. It’s an easy exploit.

Bugmat78

The matchmaking abuse is a legitimate issue so just know that I’m not trying to undercut that when I say I actually like the button. I play very casually, and sometimes after I hit matchmaking but before I go into the match, something comes up in real life that I need to address. I like having that final “are you sure you want to commit the next ten-ish minutes” screen.

Hopefully there are ways to address this without getting rid of the screen entirely. Maybe make it so you can’t match with the same accounts back to back?
It's definately a "nice to have" because let's face it....unexpected things happen. This is where the "lock out" timer comes into play for refusing a match. I like that suggestion more and more as long as sufficent steps are taken to ensure it can't be overly abused.

i like the timer on accept/reject concept also. Real life happens but if it keeps happening then you clearly need to stop playing and go deal with it, so a delay in ability o matchmake shouldn't be an issue for legitimate players.

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Mackey

I don’t necessarily think that the option to reject a matchup is a bad thing. There have been times where I’ve been ready for a match, just got the matchup and then real life strikes, usually in the form of the pup or the missus and I cant play.

If there was a limit on this being a once/hour type thing then I think that would be fair but I do agree that something needs to be implemented

Would a reminder work toward solving this? As in, during your search you get prompted every 30 (or whatever interval) seconds to ask if you're still wanting to search?

Then have a find match/cancel button as normal

Kabam Miike

Hey everybody,

I know this has been a contentious topic recently, and we agree that this behaviour is unacceptable and not sportsmanlike. Exploiting matchmaking to match yourself or anybody else specifically is not in the competitive spirit of Battlegrounds, or the Contest.

We've recently made some changes to matchmaking that should make this process more difficult, but we will be taking action against those that we have found to be abusing this system.

On the topic of the Accept/Refuse screen, we've talked about it and it's an option we're exploring. We would need to remove the functionality for anybody to explore other menus/screens while matchmaking though.

TheHeroDeserved

Hey everybody,

I know this has been a contentious topic recently, and we agree that this behaviour is unacceptable and not sportsmanlike. Exploiting matchmaking to match yourself or anybody else specifically is not in the competitive spirit of Battlegrounds, or the Contest.

We've recently made some changes to matchmaking that should make this process more difficult, but we will be taking action against those that we have found to be abusing this system.

On the topic of the Accept/Refuse screen, we've talked about it and it's an option we're exploring. We would need to remove the functionality for anybody to explore other menus/screens while matchmaking though.

Is it not sportsmanlike like sandbagging or like actual cheating?

Renaxqq

Hey everybody,

I know this has been a contentious topic recently, and we agree that this behaviour is unacceptable and not sportsmanlike. Exploiting matchmaking to match yourself or anybody else specifically is not in the competitive spirit of Battlegrounds, or the Contest.

We've recently made some changes to matchmaking that should make this process more difficult, but we will be taking action against those that we have found to be abusing this system.

On the topic of the Accept/Refuse screen, we've talked about it and it's an option we're exploring. We would need to remove the functionality for anybody to explore other menus/screens while matchmaking though.
Is it not sportsmanlike like sandbagging or like actual cheating?

IMO he is talking about accept/refuse exploit.

frodo2377

Hey everybody,

I know this has been a contentious topic recently, and we agree that this behaviour is unacceptable and not sportsmanlike. Exploiting matchmaking to match yourself or anybody else specifically is not in the competitive spirit of Battlegrounds, or the Contest.

We've recently made some changes to matchmaking that should make this process more difficult, but we will be taking action against those that we have found to be abusing this system.

On the topic of the Accept/Refuse screen, we've talked about it and it's an option we're exploring. We would need to remove the functionality for anybody to explore other menus/screens while matchmaking though.

Would that also be the case if Kabam were to implement a lock out timer for continued refused matches?