Why look at the deck at all @Kabam Miike. If I’ve spent a lot of hours getting to paragon, why can’t I matchup against a cavalier player? That just makes it much harder for better accounts to progress
Why can't I matchup against someone who doesn't stand a chance? What kind of question is that? Lol
Because you're in the same tier and fighting for the same rewards. It's really not hard to understand.
Why look at the deck at all @Kabam Miike. If I’ve spent a lot of hours getting to paragon, why can’t I matchup against a cavalier player? That just makes it much harder for better accounts to progress
Why can't I matchup against someone who doesn't stand a chance? What kind of question is that? Lol
Because you're in the same tier and fighting for the same rewards. It's really not hard to understand.
Then per your logic a 50M rating alliance should be allowed to verse a 20M rating one if they're both in gold 3... There's a reason this doesn't happen in alliance wars, why are you still trying to argue against this lol if you want easy fights just say so instead of trying to act smart
Why look at the deck at all @Kabam Miike. If I’ve spent a lot of hours getting to paragon, why can’t I matchup against a cavalier player? That just makes it much harder for better accounts to progress
Why can't I matchup against someone who doesn't stand a chance? What kind of question is that? Lol
Then the system should be such that they won't be in the same league for long.
I feel what should happen naturally throughout the season is the people who should rise to the top will be those with stronger accounts and those with smaller accounts who are skillful enough to make up for their smaller roster and have beaten people with stronger accounts.
There should come a point where smaller accounts can't progress further in the league structure if they haven't tested themselves against stronger accounts.
Yes, that's why GC exists, I doubt any Uncollected or Cavalier player made it that far. However, anything below GC should be achievable for everyone. I do agree that at some point the fights needs to be harder of course but a Cavalier facing a Paragon? With their top rosters? There is not a single alternate universe or reality where the Cavalier player beats the Paragon lol. So yes, harder fights absolutely, impossible to win fights, no unless you're close to GC cause GC is only for top players of course.
Actually many did if you read the forums. They got easy Cav/UC matches until GC then came crying to the forums when they had to face actual matches. Meanwhile, many higher players were stuck in the VT slugging it against 15k accounts. That's what upset so many. The higher accounts shouldn't be stuck in the VT facing only 15k accounts when lower players got an easy ride the the GC.
You're over here claiming they had easy matches but 1. You're not a developer so you don't know the actual stats and 2. You're not everyone so you don't speak for everyone lol not to mention you're the one crying that sandbagging is getting removed.
Easy ride? Cause they're versing other players that are just as strong as them roster and skill wise? If you're Paragon and you can't beat other Paragons then get good, that's a skill issue on your part not ours buddy.
Why look at the deck at all @Kabam Miike. If I’ve spent a lot of hours getting to paragon, why can’t I matchup against a cavalier player? That just makes it much harder for better accounts to progress
Why can't I matchup against someone who doesn't stand a chance? What kind of question is that? Lol
Because you're in the same tier and fighting for the same rewards. It's really not hard to understand.
How do you know what the right Tier is when people are cherry picking Matches?
This replay makes no sense.
Yes it does. How do Players fall into the Tier they're supposed to be when others are sandbagging? The answer is you don't know. It affects the standings. For some reason, people have been using that justification for pecking off whoever they feel belongs in the same Tier, and that excuse holds about as much water as a fishnet.
Don't take that Ironman3000 guy seriously, you can easily tell he doesn't care about game balance in the slightest.
Why look at the deck at all @Kabam Miike. If I’ve spent a lot of hours getting to paragon, why can’t I matchup against a cavalier player? That just makes it much harder for better accounts to progress
Why can't I matchup against someone who doesn't stand a chance? What kind of question is that? Lol
Because you're in the same tier and fighting for the same rewards. It's really not hard to understand.
How do you know what the right Tier is when people are cherry picking Matches?
This replay makes no sense.
Yes it does. How do Players fall into the Tier they're supposed to be when others are sandbagging? The answer is you don't know. It affects the standings. For some reason, people have been using that justification for pecking off whoever they feel belongs in the same Tier, and that excuse holds about as much water as a fishnet.
If a player can't beat a player with half a deck of 2* champs, then they should stay in the lower tiers while the players with the bigger accounts move up. That's how it should work.
If a Player needs to throw in a half a deck of 2*s to get Matches that are easier than their own league, then they don't really earn anything based on skill.
Why look at the deck at all @Kabam Miike. If I’ve spent a lot of hours getting to paragon, why can’t I matchup against a cavalier player? That just makes it much harder for better accounts to progress
Why can't I matchup against someone who doesn't stand a chance? What kind of question is that? Lol
Because you're in the same tier and fighting for the same rewards. It's really not hard to understand.
Why look at the deck at all @Kabam Miike. If I’ve spent a lot of hours getting to paragon, why can’t I matchup against a cavalier player? That just makes it much harder for better accounts to progress
Why can't I matchup against someone who doesn't stand a chance? What kind of question is that? Lol
Because you're in the same tier and fighting for the same rewards. It's really not hard to understand.
Then per your logic a 50M rating alliance should be allowed to verse a 20M rating one if they're both in gold 3... There's a reason this doesn't happen in alliance wars, why are you still trying to argue against this lol if you want easy fights just say so instead of trying to act smart
Actually, the reason that doesn't happen is because AW has different multipliers depending on the ally's rating. You obviously don't remember when they cut everyone's AW rating and only matched based on ally strength and Master Allys ended in Gold and Gold allys ended in Masters. That is what they're doing in BGs and it sucks for everyone.
Now if they increased the points you got for beating a Paragon or TB then this would all sort itself out in a few days and the top players would be fast tracked to the GC instead of slugging it out in Bronze. If beating a Paragon gained you 3 points and a TB 2 points, it would fix the issue immediately.
Why look at the deck at all @Kabam Miike. If I’ve spent a lot of hours getting to paragon, why can’t I matchup against a cavalier player? That just makes it much harder for better accounts to progress
Why can't I matchup against someone who doesn't stand a chance? What kind of question is that? Lol
Because you're in the same tier and fighting for the same rewards. It's really not hard to understand.
How do you know what the right Tier is when people are cherry picking Matches?
This replay makes no sense.
Yes it does. How do Players fall into the Tier they're supposed to be when others are sandbagging? The answer is you don't know. It affects the standings. For some reason, people have been using that justification for pecking off whoever they feel belongs in the same Tier, and that excuse holds about as much water as a fishnet.
If a player can't beat a player with half a deck of 2* champs, then they should stay in the lower tiers while the players with the bigger accounts move up. That's how it should work.
Except you're not fighting their 2* champs you're fighting their r4 6* this guy lmao
Why look at the deck at all @Kabam Miike. If I’ve spent a lot of hours getting to paragon, why can’t I matchup against a cavalier player? That just makes it much harder for better accounts to progress
Why can't I matchup against someone who doesn't stand a chance? What kind of question is that? Lol
Then the system should be such that they won't be in the same league for long.
I feel what should happen naturally throughout the season is the people who should rise to the top will be those with stronger accounts and those with smaller accounts who are skillful enough to make up for their smaller roster and have beaten people with stronger accounts.
There should come a point where smaller accounts can't progress further in the league structure if they haven't tested themselves against stronger accounts.
Yes, that's why GC exists, I doubt any Uncollected or Cavalier player made it that far. However, anything below GC should be achievable for everyone. I do agree that at some point the fights needs to be harder of course but a Cavalier facing a Paragon? With their top rosters? There is not a single alternate universe or reality where the Cavalier player beats the Paragon lol. So yes, harder fights absolutely, impossible to win fights, no unless you're close to GC cause GC is only for top players of course.
Actually many did if you read the forums. They got easy Cav/UC matches until GC then came crying to the forums when they had to face actual matches. Meanwhile, many higher players were stuck in the VT slugging it against 15k accounts. That's what upset so many. The higher accounts shouldn't be stuck in the VT facing only 15k accounts when lower players got an easy ride the the GC.
You're over here claiming they had easy matches but 1. You're not a developer so you don't know the actual stats and 2. You're not everyone so you don't speak for everyone lol not to mention you're the one crying that sandbagging is getting removed.
Easy ride? Cause they're versing other players that are just as strong as them roster and skill wise? If you're Paragon and you can't beat other Paragons then get good, that's a skill issue on your part not ours buddy.
Not facing Paragons on their way to the GC is facing easy matches. It really isn't hard to understand.
Why look at the deck at all @Kabam Miike. If I’ve spent a lot of hours getting to paragon, why can’t I matchup against a cavalier player? That just makes it much harder for better accounts to progress
Why can't I matchup against someone who doesn't stand a chance? What kind of question is that? Lol
Because you're in the same tier and fighting for the same rewards. It's really not hard to understand.
How do you know what the right Tier is when people are cherry picking Matches?
This replay makes no sense.
Yes it does. How do Players fall into the Tier they're supposed to be when others are sandbagging? The answer is you don't know. It affects the standings. For some reason, people have been using that justification for pecking off whoever they feel belongs in the same Tier, and that excuse holds about as much water as a fishnet.
If a player can't beat a player with half a deck of 2* champs, then they should stay in the lower tiers while the players with the bigger accounts move up. That's how it should work.
Well…lets say the Paragon player uses 50/50 R4s/R3s and the other half is 2*s. Then he faces a deck with 30 5/65s/R2s…his defenders will be 40-45k and the other guy will have 30k defenders. He needs 4 champs to win, how is that a fair fight ?!?
You know this well, and this method is the reason why you got rewards last season. Not because of your skills, but because you messed around with smaller accounts. Your skills don't cut it against equal opponents, probably because Unitsman is your best champ and can't be used in BG. Get better and play fair 😉
Why look at the deck at all @Kabam Miike. If I’ve spent a lot of hours getting to paragon, why can’t I matchup against a cavalier player? That just makes it much harder for better accounts to progress
Why can't I matchup against someone who doesn't stand a chance? What kind of question is that? Lol
Because you're in the same tier and fighting for the same rewards. It's really not hard to understand.
How do you know what the right Tier is when people are cherry picking Matches?
This replay makes no sense.
Yes it does. How do Players fall into the Tier they're supposed to be when others are sandbagging? The answer is you don't know. It affects the standings. For some reason, people have been using that justification for pecking off whoever they feel belongs in the same Tier, and that excuse holds about as much water as a fishnet.
Don't take that Ironman3000 guy seriously, you can easily tell he doesn't care about game balance in the slightest.
There is not such thing as "Game Balance" in a competitive PVP mode. If two players are in the same tier and fighting for the same rewards then they should be able to be match against each other and the better player should move up and the lower player should not. There is nothing else that matters.
How would you feel about the NFL splitting the league in two divisions with the best 16 teams in one division and the bottom 16 teams in an other. Then they play their season, only vs teams in their division and assign playoff spots bases on overall record? That's essentially what you're arguing with BGs only its much more than 2 divisions.
Why look at the deck at all @Kabam Miike. If I’ve spent a lot of hours getting to paragon, why can’t I matchup against a cavalier player? That just makes it much harder for better accounts to progress
Why can't I matchup against someone who doesn't stand a chance? What kind of question is that? Lol
Then the system should be such that they won't be in the same league for long.
I feel what should happen naturally throughout the season is the people who should rise to the top will be those with stronger accounts and those with smaller accounts who are skillful enough to make up for their smaller roster and have beaten people with stronger accounts.
There should come a point where smaller accounts can't progress further in the league structure if they haven't tested themselves against stronger accounts.
Yes, that's why GC exists, I doubt any Uncollected or Cavalier player made it that far. However, anything below GC should be achievable for everyone. I do agree that at some point the fights needs to be harder of course but a Cavalier facing a Paragon? With their top rosters? There is not a single alternate universe or reality where the Cavalier player beats the Paragon lol. So yes, harder fights absolutely, impossible to win fights, no unless you're close to GC cause GC is only for top players of course.
Actually many did if you read the forums. They got easy Cav/UC matches until GC then came crying to the forums when they had to face actual matches. Meanwhile, many higher players were stuck in the VT slugging it against 15k accounts. That's what upset so many. The higher accounts shouldn't be stuck in the VT facing only 15k accounts when lower players got an easy ride the the GC.
You're over here claiming they had easy matches but 1. You're not a developer so you don't know the actual stats and 2. You're not everyone so you don't speak for everyone lol not to mention you're the one crying that sandbagging is getting removed.
Easy ride? Cause they're versing other players that are just as strong as them roster and skill wise? If you're Paragon and you can't beat other Paragons then get good, that's a skill issue on your part not ours buddy.
Not facing Paragons on their way to the GC is facing easy matches. It really isn't hard to understand.
If it's so easy for an Uncollected player to beat another Uncollected player why can't you as a Paragon beat other Paragons? Again, skill issue on your part, not ours.
Why look at the deck at all @Kabam Miike. If I’ve spent a lot of hours getting to paragon, why can’t I matchup against a cavalier player? That just makes it much harder for better accounts to progress
Why can't I matchup against someone who doesn't stand a chance? What kind of question is that? Lol
Because you're in the same tier and fighting for the same rewards. It's really not hard to understand.
How do you know what the right Tier is when people are cherry picking Matches?
This replay makes no sense.
Yes it does. How do Players fall into the Tier they're supposed to be when others are sandbagging? The answer is you don't know. It affects the standings. For some reason, people have been using that justification for pecking off whoever they feel belongs in the same Tier, and that excuse holds about as much water as a fishnet.
If a player can't beat a player with half a deck of 2* champs, then they should stay in the lower tiers while the players with the bigger accounts move up. That's how it should work.
Well…lets say the Paragon player uses 50/50 R4s/R3s and the other half is 2*s. Then he faces a deck with 30 5/65s/R2s…his defenders will be 40-45k and the other guy will have 30k defenders. He needs 4 champs to win, how is that a fair fight ?!?
You know this well, and this method is the reason why you got rewards last season. Not because of your skills, but because you messed around with smaller accounts. Your skills don't cut it against equal opponents, probably because Unitsman is your best champ and can't be used in BG. Get better and play fair 😉
Why should anyone expect a "fair" match in a competitive PVP mode?
And lol at someone crying about not being able to beat a Paragon with half a deck trying to call out my skill level.
Why look at the deck at all @Kabam Miike. If I’ve spent a lot of hours getting to paragon, why can’t I matchup against a cavalier player? That just makes it much harder for better accounts to progress
Why can't I matchup against someone who doesn't stand a chance? What kind of question is that? Lol
Because you're in the same tier and fighting for the same rewards. It's really not hard to understand.
How do you know what the right Tier is when people are cherry picking Matches?
This replay makes no sense.
Yes it does. How do Players fall into the Tier they're supposed to be when others are sandbagging? The answer is you don't know. It affects the standings. For some reason, people have been using that justification for pecking off whoever they feel belongs in the same Tier, and that excuse holds about as much water as a fishnet.
Don't take that Ironman3000 guy seriously, you can easily tell he doesn't care about game balance in the slightest.
There is not such thing as "Game Balance" in a competitive PVP mode. If two players are in the same tier and fighting for the same rewards then they should be able to be match against each other and the better player should move up and the lower player should not. There is nothing else that matters.
How would you feel about the NFL splitting the league in two divisions with the best 16 teams in one division and the bottom 16 teams in an other. Then they play their season, only vs teams in their division and assign playoff spots bases on overall record? That's essentially what you're arguing with BGs only its much more than 2 divisions.
No game balance in a competitive game? Mate have you ever played any PVP games at all? Every single PVP game in existence gets monthly balancing updates to... You know... Balance the game...
Except all those teams actually stand a chance against each other at the end of the day, an Uncollected player has no chance of beating a Paragon, it's impossible no matter what champions you have. You see the difference or nah?
What other competitive PVP games put everyone in the same group and fighting for the same rewards w/o any multipliers or advantages to get the top players to the top tiers as quickly as possible?
What other competitive PVP games put everyone in the same group and fighting for the same rewards w/o any multipliers or advantages to get the top players to the top tiers as quickly as possible?
That's irrelevant to the argument in question which is "game balance doesn't exist in PVP games" (it does), nice strawman though.
For that matter, the scoring is what accounts for the skill. How much HP was taken, how much HP was kept, whether or not they K.O., how long the Match lasts. In whatever amounts, those factors are designed to account for the skill.
They rely on overpowering through matchmaking cause Unitman isn't there to save the day as per usual.
I just find the argument contradictory. They're arguing that Roster has no business being a factor, but they're judging the size of the Rosters of people advancing, and using their own to beat down whoever they want on the Leaderboard.
What other competitive PVP games put everyone in the same group and fighting for the same rewards w/o any multipliers or advantages to get the top players to the top tiers as quickly as possible?
That's irrelevant to the argument in question which is "game balance doesn't exist in PVP games" (it does), nice strawman though.
It's not irrelevant to the initial argument. You're now changing your argument from matchmaking within a game-mode to adjustments to the game-mode between seasons. I guess that's what happens when you don't have a good argument, you have to change the topic.
What other competitive PVP games put everyone in the same group and fighting for the same rewards w/o any multipliers or advantages to get the top players to the top tiers as quickly as possible?
That's irrelevant to the argument in question which is "game balance doesn't exist in PVP games" (it does), nice strawman though.
It's not irrelevant to the initial argument. You're now changing your argument from matchmaking within a game-mode to adjustments to the game-mode between seasons. I guess that's what happens when you don't have a good argument, you have to change the topic.
I didn't change anything, the main thread is about matchmaking changing once again so people can't unbalance the game through unfair behavior anymore. By definition that's a balance change, which every game does monthly, I never claimed Kabam does it monthly, this is just the product of you malding and misinterpreting everything I said.
I don’t understand why lower ranked get to match against lesser accounts to move up if they are in the same tier. I do agree we are fighting for same rewards and should play against who is in your tier. As strong accounts move up the ladder then lower tier accounts have higher probability to get better match ups.
An analogy is that a minor league baseball team allowed in MLB playoffs since they won the minor league division. No one would argue that would be fair.
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Easy ride? Cause they're versing other players that are just as strong as them roster and skill wise? If you're Paragon and you can't beat other Paragons then get good, that's a skill issue on your part not ours buddy.
Now if they increased the points you got for beating a Paragon or TB then this would all sort itself out in a few days and the top players would be fast tracked to the GC instead of slugging it out in Bronze. If beating a Paragon gained you 3 points and a TB 2 points, it would fix the issue immediately.
You know this well, and this method is the reason why you got rewards last season. Not because of your skills, but because you messed around with smaller accounts. Your skills don't cut it against equal opponents, probably because Unitsman is your best champ and can't be used in BG. Get better and play fair 😉
How would you feel about the NFL splitting the league in two divisions with the best 16 teams in one division and the bottom 16 teams in an other. Then they play their season, only vs teams in their division and assign playoff spots bases on overall record? That's essentially what you're arguing with BGs only its much more than 2 divisions.
And lol at someone crying about not being able to beat a Paragon with half a deck trying to call out my skill level.
Except all those teams actually stand a chance against each other at the end of the day, an Uncollected player has no chance of beating a Paragon, it's impossible no matter what champions you have. You see the difference or nah?
An analogy is that a minor league baseball team allowed in MLB playoffs since they won the minor league division. No one would argue that would be fair.