BGs matchmaking still sucks

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  • LordSmasherLordSmasher Member Posts: 1,566 ★★★★★
    If matching making is perfect than you'll only win 50% of your matches.
    That still makes it difficult to get the 3 wins you'll need to go up.

    The problem is the gain from a win and the penalty for a loss is exactly the same. The current system as designed is just a massive grind.
    Like many players, I get the objectives and don't actually trying to do anymore than that.
  • AdevatiAdevati Member Posts: 439 ★★★

    If matching making is perfect than you'll only win 50% of your matches.
    That still makes it difficult to get the 3 wins you'll need to go up.

    The problem is the gain from a win and the penalty for a loss is exactly the same. The current system as designed is just a massive grind.
    Like many players, I get the objectives and don't actually trying to do anymore than that.

    No. Because many people never land where they properly fit in the ladder.

    If you’re an 1800 chess player, and go create a new account, you’ll win 80%+ of your matches as you climb from 1200 to 1800.
  • LordSmasherLordSmasher Member Posts: 1,566 ★★★★★
    Adevati said:

    If matching making is perfect than you'll only win 50% of your matches.
    That still makes it difficult to get the 3 wins you'll need to go up.

    The problem is the gain from a win and the penalty for a loss is exactly the same. The current system as designed is just a massive grind.
    Like many players, I get the objectives and don't actually trying to do anymore than that.

    No. Because many people never land where they properly fit in the ladder.

    If you’re an 1800 chess player, and go create a new account, you’ll win 80%+ of your matches as you climb from 1200 to 1800.
    No, in Chess if you have a low rating you are purposedly matched with low rated players. You climb up because of this. Plus you have no advantage of roster strength, so its purely on player skill. Its a weak comparison.

    Perfect match making would be matching you with equivalent players, hence you'll only have a 50/50 win ratio. There will be outliers but the majority if players will be stuck in the going nowhere.
    The system as designed ends up with that result.
  • AdevatiAdevati Member Posts: 439 ★★★

    Adevati said:

    If matching making is perfect than you'll only win 50% of your matches.
    That still makes it difficult to get the 3 wins you'll need to go up.

    The problem is the gain from a win and the penalty for a loss is exactly the same. The current system as designed is just a massive grind.
    Like many players, I get the objectives and don't actually trying to do anymore than that.

    No. Because many people never land where they properly fit in the ladder.

    If you’re an 1800 chess player, and go create a new account, you’ll win 80%+ of your matches as you climb from 1200 to 1800.
    No, in Chess if you have a low rating you are purposedly matched with low rated players. You climb up because of this. Plus you have no advantage of roster strength, so its purely on player skill. Its a weak comparison.

    Perfect match making would be matching you with equivalent players, hence you'll only have a 50/50 win ratio. There will be outliers but the majority if players will be stuck in the going nowhere.
    The system as designed ends up with that result.
    Describe this perfect matchmaking then. Because everyone is placed at the bottom every season regardless of skill level. A highly skilled 13k prestige account would be facing the entire pool of 13k prestige accounts until they climb along with equally skilled peers. That highly skilled player will have a high win % that slowly declines as they climb.
  • Graves_3Graves_3 Member Posts: 1,521 ★★★★★
    Adevati said:

    Adevati said:

    If matching making is perfect than you'll only win 50% of your matches.
    That still makes it difficult to get the 3 wins you'll need to go up.

    The problem is the gain from a win and the penalty for a loss is exactly the same. The current system as designed is just a massive grind.
    Like many players, I get the objectives and don't actually trying to do anymore than that.

    No. Because many people never land where they properly fit in the ladder.

    If you’re an 1800 chess player, and go create a new account, you’ll win 80%+ of your matches as you climb from 1200 to 1800.
    No, in Chess if you have a low rating you are purposedly matched with low rated players. You climb up because of this. Plus you have no advantage of roster strength, so its purely on player skill. Its a weak comparison.

    Perfect match making would be matching you with equivalent players, hence you'll only have a 50/50 win ratio. There will be outliers but the majority if players will be stuck in the going nowhere.
    The system as designed ends up with that result.
    Describe this perfect matchmaking then. Because everyone is placed at the bottom every season regardless of skill level. A highly skilled 13k prestige account would be facing the entire pool of 13k prestige accounts until they climb along with equally skilled peers. That highly skilled player will have a high win % that slowly declines as they climb.
    The high skilled 13k prestige account is moving up along with the highly skilled 15k prestige account and the 5k prestige account(as they are only fighting similar prestige accounts) while the average skilled 13 and 15k accounts are still stuck at the same level with a 50% win rate. There is no such thing as perfect matchmaking. The best matchmaking should randomize matchups so the stronger(roster/skill/combination of both) summoners move up. Eventually everyone gets to win some and people will settle into their natural order based on their individual strengths.
  • LordSmasherLordSmasher Member Posts: 1,566 ★★★★★
    Adevati said:

    Adevati said:

    If matching making is perfect than you'll only win 50% of your matches.
    That still makes it difficult to get the 3 wins you'll need to go up.

    The problem is the gain from a win and the penalty for a loss is exactly the same. The current system as designed is just a massive grind.
    Like many players, I get the objectives and don't actually trying to do anymore than that.

    No. Because many people never land where they properly fit in the ladder.

    If you’re an 1800 chess player, and go create a new account, you’ll win 80%+ of your matches as you climb from 1200 to 1800.
    No, in Chess if you have a low rating you are purposedly matched with low rated players. You climb up because of this. Plus you have no advantage of roster strength, so its purely on player skill. Its a weak comparison.

    Perfect match making would be matching you with equivalent players, hence you'll only have a 50/50 win ratio. There will be outliers but the majority if players will be stuck in the going nowhere.
    The system as designed ends up with that result.
    Describe this perfect matchmaking then. Because everyone is placed at the bottom every season regardless of skill level. A highly skilled 13k prestige account would be facing the entire pool of 13k prestige accounts until they climb along with equally skilled peers. That highly skilled player will have a high win % that slowly declines as they climb.
    There is no perfect match making. Either the big accounts just squash little ones, making it pointless for little ones to play or big accounts butt heads go nowhere. Its a pointless goal.

    Battlegrounds needs participation otherwise you'll be waiting an age for a match. If people don't progress they will stop participating.
    The lower end of the ladder should be grindable. Losses shouldn't set you back.
    That way big accounts can move on, and little accounts can eventually move on.

    If people want fair matches, which means similar roster strength, then the "matchable" range should start narrow and widen as you move up the ladder.
    When you get to the top of the ladder than its just a free for all. Best players with the best rosters win.
  • ItsClobberinTimeItsClobberinTime Member Posts: 5,444 ★★★★★

    Skydad23 said:

    Everyone complaining about sandbagging now this is what we get which is far worse! It’s almost impossible to string together three wins. After getting to diamond 1 the first two seasons I have put in 50+ matches at gold one alone and can’t get out. Lost only three matches to get to gold one. Took a week off of BGs come back and I’m like WTH happened to matchmaking! No matter what, when I get 2 tokens I get the most ridiculous matchup. I mean I might say it was bad luck if it was like five or 10 times but I’m pushing almost 20 times having two tokens in gold one. it’s a joke.

    I'm not saying matchmaking is fine cause it definitely needs some adjustments or next season will be a complete mess but... we had to deal with sandbagging for two whole seasons and y'all can't even handle a week of this? Now you can understand why it's so frustrating having to face people you stand no chance against over and over again.
    Actually.... I was winning more with the old matchmaking system. Even when my barely thronebreaker account went up against mighty Paragon accounts that were sandbagging. They often times had to draft 1* or 2* champs. Or maybe what they were forced to select as far as their 6 r4s, there wouldn't be a counter to my defender. Example, I've gone against sandbaggers that didn't have a single poison immune or purify champ and placed iAbom on defense.
    That just highlights the issues sandbagging caused. It's going to take some time for the system to balance itself out. People were artificially skewing the results. It affected the entire system.
    And uncollected players climbing higher and so claiming better ranked rewards than Thronebreaker or paragon players isn’t “skewing the the results”? smh
    Yes, and it's the result of people abusing matchmaking for two full seasons, this wasn't just an issue that was created out of nowhere. As I said, matchmaking definitely needs some adjustments for next season but you need to be patient, we had to deal with sandbagging for two whole seasons and y'all can't even deal with this for one?
  • WhatsGoodEnglishWhatsGoodEnglish Member Posts: 78

    Skydad23 said:

    Everyone complaining about sandbagging now this is what we get which is far worse! It’s almost impossible to string together three wins. After getting to diamond 1 the first two seasons I have put in 50+ matches at gold one alone and can’t get out. Lost only three matches to get to gold one. Took a week off of BGs come back and I’m like WTH happened to matchmaking! No matter what, when I get 2 tokens I get the most ridiculous matchup. I mean I might say it was bad luck if it was like five or 10 times but I’m pushing almost 20 times having two tokens in gold one. it’s a joke.

    I'm not saying matchmaking is fine cause it definitely needs some adjustments or next season will be a complete mess but... we had to deal with sandbagging for two whole seasons and y'all can't even handle a week of this? Now you can understand why it's so frustrating having to face people you stand no chance against over and over again.
    Actually.... I was winning more with the old matchmaking system. Even when my barely thronebreaker account went up against mighty Paragon accounts that were sandbagging. They often times had to draft 1* or 2* champs. Or maybe what they were forced to select as far as their 6 r4s, there wouldn't be a counter to my defender. Example, I've gone against sandbaggers that didn't have a single poison immune or purify champ and placed iAbom on defense.
    That just highlights the issues sandbagging caused. It's going to take some time for the system to balance itself out. People were artificially skewing the results. It affected the entire system.
    And uncollected players climbing higher and so claiming better ranked rewards than Thronebreaker or paragon players isn’t “skewing the the results”? smh
    Yes, and it's the result of people abusing matchmaking for two full seasons, this wasn't just an issue that was created out of nowhere. As I said, matchmaking definitely needs some adjustments for next season but you need to be patient, we had to deal with sandbagging for two whole seasons and y'all can't even deal with this for one?
    Don't act like there weren't daily threads on the forums going off about sandbagging. Its not like people upset with sandbagging patiently waited for a resolution, they continued to blow up the forums with their frustrations. So don't be upset when we do the same because Kabam switched the matchmaking way too far the other way.

    This new system punishs people that did strictly prestige rank ups. It punishes people that have slightly lower leveled/ranked champs in their mixup just to try and match the meta. It's causing uncollected and cavs reach GC easier and faster while the barely paragon players are shafted and doing the whole 50/50 win lose with no chance of climbing the Victory Track.

    So if people blow up the forums everyday complaining again, I encourage them. They have every right to.
    For all of season 1 & 2 and up until midway through cyber week I had a baby paragon account (only 3 R4 champs and 1/3rd of my deck were 5* or R2 6*) and I made it to the GC every time without sandbagging or using victory shields. Even now my account is much smaller than several accounts I’ve come up against due to people taking advantage of those CW deals. I now have only 2 5* in my deck and my number of 6* R4s has doubled to 6. I don’t have a huge number of champs to choose from to match my deck perfectly to whatever the new meta is. Literally all but one of my 6* R3s (Ægon) is in my deck. I would love to be able to swap people in and out like you see other people with tons of R3/4s doing, but I can’t. Yet somehow I’m able to make it to GC every season with no issues along with another alliance member with a worse deck than mine. Matchmaking has given me the same bogus mismatches that it’s giving everyone here complaining, and I agree that something should be adjusted with the system or possibly how we move through the VT, but as a player you have to adjust to the game mode if you want to be successful at it. A 1v1 competitive mode requires a different skill set than everything else the game has to offer. Kabam will eventually figure out a better matchmaking system but if you don’t adjust to the mode, you’re still going to be here on these forms, complaining that you can’t get any wins.
  • SceptilemaniacSceptilemaniac Member Posts: 1,243 ★★★★

    Skydad23 said:

    Everyone complaining about sandbagging now this is what we get which is far worse! It’s almost impossible to string together three wins. After getting to diamond 1 the first two seasons I have put in 50+ matches at gold one alone and can’t get out. Lost only three matches to get to gold one. Took a week off of BGs come back and I’m like WTH happened to matchmaking! No matter what, when I get 2 tokens I get the most ridiculous matchup. I mean I might say it was bad luck if it was like five or 10 times but I’m pushing almost 20 times having two tokens in gold one. it’s a joke.

    I'm not saying matchmaking is fine cause it definitely needs some adjustments or next season will be a complete mess but... we had to deal with sandbagging for two whole seasons and y'all can't even handle a week of this? Now you can understand why it's so frustrating having to face people you stand no chance against over and over again.
    Actually.... I was winning more with the old matchmaking system. Even when my barely thronebreaker account went up against mighty Paragon accounts that were sandbagging. They often times had to draft 1* or 2* champs. Or maybe what they were forced to select as far as their 6 r4s, there wouldn't be a counter to my defender. Example, I've gone against sandbaggers that didn't have a single poison immune or purify champ and placed iAbom on defense.
    That just highlights the issues sandbagging caused. It's going to take some time for the system to balance itself out. People were artificially skewing the results. It affected the entire system.
    And uncollected players climbing higher and so claiming better ranked rewards than Thronebreaker or paragon players isn’t “skewing the the results”? smh
    Yes, and it's the result of people abusing matchmaking for two full seasons, this wasn't just an issue that was created out of nowhere. As I said, matchmaking definitely needs some adjustments for next season but you need to be patient, we had to deal with sandbagging for two whole seasons and y'all can't even deal with this for one?
    Don't act like there weren't daily threads on the forums going off about sandbagging. Its not like people upset with sandbagging patiently waited for a resolution, they continued to blow up the forums with their frustrations. So don't be upset when we do the same because Kabam switched the matchmaking way too far the other way.

    This new system punishs people that did strictly prestige rank ups. It punishes people that have slightly lower leveled/ranked champs in their mixup just to try and match the meta. It's causing uncollected and cavs reach GC easier and faster while the barely paragon players are shafted and doing the whole 50/50 win lose with no chance of climbing the Victory Track.

    So if people blow up the forums everyday complaining again, I encourage them. They have every right to.
    For all of season 1 & 2 and up until midway through cyber week I had a baby paragon account (only 3 R4 champs and 1/3rd of my deck were 5* or R2 6*) and I made it to the GC every time without sandbagging or using victory shields. Even now my account is much smaller than several accounts I’ve come up against due to people taking advantage of those CW deals. I now have only 2 5* in my deck and my number of 6* R4s has doubled to 6. I don’t have a huge number of champs to choose from to match my deck perfectly to whatever the new meta is. Literally all but one of my 6* R3s (Ægon) is in my deck. I would love to be able to swap people in and out like you see other people with tons of R3/4s doing, but I can’t. Yet somehow I’m able to make it to GC every season with no issues along with another alliance member with a worse deck than mine. Matchmaking has given me the same bogus mismatches that it’s giving everyone here complaining, and I agree that something should be adjusted with the system or possibly how we move through the VT, but as a player you have to adjust to the game mode if you want to be successful at it. A 1v1 competitive mode requires a different skill set than everything else the game has to offer. Kabam will eventually figure out a better matchmaking system but if you don’t adjust to the mode, you’re still going to be here on these forms, complaining that you can’t get any wins.
    So in essence, you're saying "git gud"
  • WhatsGoodEnglishWhatsGoodEnglish Member Posts: 78

    If matching making is perfect than you'll only win 50% of your matches.
    That still makes it difficult to get the 3 wins you'll need to go up.

    The problem is the gain from a win and the penalty for a loss is exactly the same. The current system as designed is just a massive grind.
    Like many players, I get the objectives and don't actually trying to do anymore than that.

    I think they should remove the metal system entirely and switch to a point system to move through the victory track. Let’s say all the VT leagues have point thresholds attached to them and their rewards for example to get to from bronze 3 to bronze 2 you need 20 points, 1 win = +10 points 1 loss = -5 points to get from diamond 1 to Vibranium you need 50 points - still 5 wins, but the losses only punish you half as much. It’s still possible to lose all the way back to 0 but it’ll take 2 losses to completely lose the progress that 1 win got you.
  • altavistaaltavista Member Posts: 1,448 ★★★★

    Matchmaking has given me the same bogus mismatches that it’s giving everyone here complaining, and I agree that something should be adjusted with the system or possibly how we move through the VT, but as a player you have to adjust to the game mode if you want to be successful at it. A 1v1 competitive mode requires a different skill set than everything else the game has to offer. Kabam will eventually figure out a better matchmaking system but if you don’t adjust to the mode, you’re still going to be here on these forms, complaining that you can’t get any wins.

    Agree. An account geared towards AW (with prestige based ranks ups) shouldn't necessarily just translate towards BG. Abyss rank ups shouldn't necessarily translate to AQ. Skill you use in other content (where time doesn't matter), shouldn't necessarily just translate towards BG. And so forth.

    Accounts have to tailor itself towards each mode and each meta. What is good for potion farming ROL WS should not just translate to the quick fight times of BGs, which should not translate to Abyss type content.

    This does 'penalize' smaller accounts, but BG is a new game mode with great rewards. As such, it is designed by Kabam to use up more of your resources (energy, rank ups, time) and encourage you to spend money/units on Victory Shields, etc. Kabam is after all trying to make money here.
  • SpecMSpecM Member Posts: 144 ★★
    Speak for yourself because when sandbagging was still around in the previous season I was only able to get upto Platinum, but after they fixed sandbagging in season 3 I was able to get to upto Vibranium. Don't get me wrong the matchmaking still "sucks" but it sucks less now, so honestly I'm happy that Kabam did something.
  • Ironman3000Ironman3000 Member Posts: 1,955 ★★★★★

    Skydad23 said:

    Everyone complaining about sandbagging now this is what we get which is far worse! It’s almost impossible to string together three wins. After getting to diamond 1 the first two seasons I have put in 50+ matches at gold one alone and can’t get out. Lost only three matches to get to gold one. Took a week off of BGs come back and I’m like WTH happened to matchmaking! No matter what, when I get 2 tokens I get the most ridiculous matchup. I mean I might say it was bad luck if it was like five or 10 times but I’m pushing almost 20 times having two tokens in gold one. it’s a joke.

    I'm not saying matchmaking is fine cause it definitely needs some adjustments or next season will be a complete mess but... we had to deal with sandbagging for two whole seasons and y'all can't even handle a week of this? Now you can understand why it's so frustrating having to face people you stand no chance against over and over again.
    Actually.... I was winning more with the old matchmaking system. Even when my barely thronebreaker account went up against mighty Paragon accounts that were sandbagging. They often times had to draft 1* or 2* champs. Or maybe what they were forced to select as far as their 6 r4s, there wouldn't be a counter to my defender. Example, I've gone against sandbaggers that didn't have a single poison immune or purify champ and placed iAbom on defense.
    That just highlights the issues sandbagging caused. It's going to take some time for the system to balance itself out. People were artificially skewing the results. It affected the entire system.
    And uncollected players climbing higher and so claiming better ranked rewards than Thronebreaker or paragon players isn’t “skewing the the results”? smh
    Yes, and it's the result of people abusing matchmaking for two full seasons, this wasn't just an issue that was created out of nowhere. As I said, matchmaking definitely needs some adjustments for next season but you need to be patient, we had to deal with sandbagging for two whole seasons and y'all can't even deal with this for one?
    You can't cry about sandbagging for 2.5 seasons then when Kabam screws it up tell others to be patient.
  • ItsClobberinTimeItsClobberinTime Member Posts: 5,444 ★★★★★

    Skydad23 said:

    Everyone complaining about sandbagging now this is what we get which is far worse! It’s almost impossible to string together three wins. After getting to diamond 1 the first two seasons I have put in 50+ matches at gold one alone and can’t get out. Lost only three matches to get to gold one. Took a week off of BGs come back and I’m like WTH happened to matchmaking! No matter what, when I get 2 tokens I get the most ridiculous matchup. I mean I might say it was bad luck if it was like five or 10 times but I’m pushing almost 20 times having two tokens in gold one. it’s a joke.

    I'm not saying matchmaking is fine cause it definitely needs some adjustments or next season will be a complete mess but... we had to deal with sandbagging for two whole seasons and y'all can't even handle a week of this? Now you can understand why it's so frustrating having to face people you stand no chance against over and over again.
    Actually.... I was winning more with the old matchmaking system. Even when my barely thronebreaker account went up against mighty Paragon accounts that were sandbagging. They often times had to draft 1* or 2* champs. Or maybe what they were forced to select as far as their 6 r4s, there wouldn't be a counter to my defender. Example, I've gone against sandbaggers that didn't have a single poison immune or purify champ and placed iAbom on defense.
    That just highlights the issues sandbagging caused. It's going to take some time for the system to balance itself out. People were artificially skewing the results. It affected the entire system.
    And uncollected players climbing higher and so claiming better ranked rewards than Thronebreaker or paragon players isn’t “skewing the the results”? smh
    Yes, and it's the result of people abusing matchmaking for two full seasons, this wasn't just an issue that was created out of nowhere. As I said, matchmaking definitely needs some adjustments for next season but you need to be patient, we had to deal with sandbagging for two whole seasons and y'all can't even deal with this for one?
    You can't cry about sandbagging for 2.5 seasons then when Kabam screws it up tell others to be patient.
    You were crying because other people were crying about sandbagging for two full seasons and now you're crying because you're getting what you deserve? The entitlement, again lmao.
  • ItsClobberinTimeItsClobberinTime Member Posts: 5,444 ★★★★★
    edited December 2022

    Skydad23 said:

    Everyone complaining about sandbagging now this is what we get which is far worse! It’s almost impossible to string together three wins. After getting to diamond 1 the first two seasons I have put in 50+ matches at gold one alone and can’t get out. Lost only three matches to get to gold one. Took a week off of BGs come back and I’m like WTH happened to matchmaking! No matter what, when I get 2 tokens I get the most ridiculous matchup. I mean I might say it was bad luck if it was like five or 10 times but I’m pushing almost 20 times having two tokens in gold one. it’s a joke.

    I'm not saying matchmaking is fine cause it definitely needs some adjustments or next season will be a complete mess but... we had to deal with sandbagging for two whole seasons and y'all can't even handle a week of this? Now you can understand why it's so frustrating having to face people you stand no chance against over and over again.
    Actually.... I was winning more with the old matchmaking system. Even when my barely thronebreaker account went up against mighty Paragon accounts that were sandbagging. They often times had to draft 1* or 2* champs. Or maybe what they were forced to select as far as their 6 r4s, there wouldn't be a counter to my defender. Example, I've gone against sandbaggers that didn't have a single poison immune or purify champ and placed iAbom on defense.
    That just highlights the issues sandbagging caused. It's going to take some time for the system to balance itself out. People were artificially skewing the results. It affected the entire system.
    And uncollected players climbing higher and so claiming better ranked rewards than Thronebreaker or paragon players isn’t “skewing the the results”? smh
    Yes, and it's the result of people abusing matchmaking for two full seasons, this wasn't just an issue that was created out of nowhere. As I said, matchmaking definitely needs some adjustments for next season but you need to be patient, we had to deal with sandbagging for two whole seasons and y'all can't even deal with this for one?
    Not like people explicitly stated before the matchmaking change that changing it to match on prestige would have these exact consequences or anything…
    Regardless, I was simply pointing out that the results are just as artificially skewed now, if not more, than they were with sandbagging
    Like I said, it doesn't matter how skewed they are now, it's the fault of the people who spent two whole seasons sandbagging. If people had played nice these changes wouldn't have been needed but that didn't happen so here we are.
    With that being sad I'm pretty sure they'll do some adjustments next season, they certainly can't leave matchmaking like this because it is unfair.
  • ItsClobberinTimeItsClobberinTime Member Posts: 5,444 ★★★★★

    Skydad23 said:

    Everyone complaining about sandbagging now this is what we get which is far worse! It’s almost impossible to string together three wins. After getting to diamond 1 the first two seasons I have put in 50+ matches at gold one alone and can’t get out. Lost only three matches to get to gold one. Took a week off of BGs come back and I’m like WTH happened to matchmaking! No matter what, when I get 2 tokens I get the most ridiculous matchup. I mean I might say it was bad luck if it was like five or 10 times but I’m pushing almost 20 times having two tokens in gold one. it’s a joke.

    I'm not saying matchmaking is fine cause it definitely needs some adjustments or next season will be a complete mess but... we had to deal with sandbagging for two whole seasons and y'all can't even handle a week of this? Now you can understand why it's so frustrating having to face people you stand no chance against over and over again.
    Actually.... I was winning more with the old matchmaking system. Even when my barely thronebreaker account went up against mighty Paragon accounts that were sandbagging. They often times had to draft 1* or 2* champs. Or maybe what they were forced to select as far as their 6 r4s, there wouldn't be a counter to my defender. Example, I've gone against sandbaggers that didn't have a single poison immune or purify champ and placed iAbom on defense.
    That just highlights the issues sandbagging caused. It's going to take some time for the system to balance itself out. People were artificially skewing the results. It affected the entire system.
    And uncollected players climbing higher and so claiming better ranked rewards than Thronebreaker or paragon players isn’t “skewing the the results”? smh
    Yes, and it's the result of people abusing matchmaking for two full seasons, this wasn't just an issue that was created out of nowhere. As I said, matchmaking definitely needs some adjustments for next season but you need to be patient, we had to deal with sandbagging for two whole seasons and y'all can't even deal with this for one?
    Don't act like there weren't daily threads on the forums going off about sandbagging. Its not like people upset with sandbagging patiently waited for a resolution, they continued to blow up the forums with their frustrations. So don't be upset when we do the same because Kabam switched the matchmaking way too far the other way.

    This new system punishs people that did strictly prestige rank ups. It punishes people that have slightly lower leveled/ranked champs in their mixup just to try and match the meta. It's causing uncollected and cavs reach GC easier and faster while the barely paragon players are shafted and doing the whole 50/50 win lose with no chance of climbing the Victory Track.

    So if people blow up the forums everyday complaining again, I encourage them. They have every right to.
    Of course there were loads of posts we had to deal with that for two full seasons not two weeks. This? This hasn't even been going on for two weeks yet and somehow you're complaining about this more than people complained about sandbagging when it started when it's your own fault for abusing matchmaking (maybe not you specifically but the rest of Paragons and TB who did it on a daily basis).

    Again, I'm not arguing that cause I'm fully aware of the fact that it needs some adjustments next season. I'm just pointing out how wild it is that most of you were okay with sandbagging for so long while this on the other hand is totally not okay and needs to be changed ASAP.

    Also no, no UC or Cav has made it into GC because once we reach Plat 3 we start facing TB quite frequently. I've been stuck in Plat 2 for a while now because I get matched with TB quite frequently and I haven't been able to get a 3 win streak due to this, there's not that many UC players in Plat 2.
  • Graves_3Graves_3 Member Posts: 1,521 ★★★★★

    Skydad23 said:

    Everyone complaining about sandbagging now this is what we get which is far worse! It’s almost impossible to string together three wins. After getting to diamond 1 the first two seasons I have put in 50+ matches at gold one alone and can’t get out. Lost only three matches to get to gold one. Took a week off of BGs come back and I’m like WTH happened to matchmaking! No matter what, when I get 2 tokens I get the most ridiculous matchup. I mean I might say it was bad luck if it was like five or 10 times but I’m pushing almost 20 times having two tokens in gold one. it’s a joke.

    I'm not saying matchmaking is fine cause it definitely needs some adjustments or next season will be a complete mess but... we had to deal with sandbagging for two whole seasons and y'all can't even handle a week of this? Now you can understand why it's so frustrating having to face people you stand no chance against over and over again.
    Actually.... I was winning more with the old matchmaking system. Even when my barely thronebreaker account went up against mighty Paragon accounts that were sandbagging. They often times had to draft 1* or 2* champs. Or maybe what they were forced to select as far as their 6 r4s, there wouldn't be a counter to my defender. Example, I've gone against sandbaggers that didn't have a single poison immune or purify champ and placed iAbom on defense.
    That just highlights the issues sandbagging caused. It's going to take some time for the system to balance itself out. People were artificially skewing the results. It affected the entire system.
    And uncollected players climbing higher and so claiming better ranked rewards than Thronebreaker or paragon players isn’t “skewing the the results”? smh
    Yes, and it's the result of people abusing matchmaking for two full seasons, this wasn't just an issue that was created out of nowhere. As I said, matchmaking definitely needs some adjustments for next season but you need to be patient, we had to deal with sandbagging for two whole seasons and y'all can't even deal with this for one?
    Don't act like there weren't daily threads on the forums going off about sandbagging. Its not like people upset with sandbagging patiently waited for a resolution, they continued to blow up the forums with their frustrations. So don't be upset when we do the same because Kabam switched the matchmaking way too far the other way.

    This new system punishs people that did strictly prestige rank ups. It punishes people that have slightly lower leveled/ranked champs in their mixup just to try and match the meta. It's causing uncollected and cavs reach GC easier and faster while the barely paragon players are shafted and doing the whole 50/50 win lose with no chance of climbing the Victory Track.

    So if people blow up the forums everyday complaining again, I encourage them. They have every right to.


    Also no, no UC or Cav has made it into GC because once we reach Plat 3 we start facing TB quite frequently. I've been stuck in Plat 2 for a while now because I get matched with TB quite frequently and I haven't been able to get a 3 win streak due to this, there's not that many UC players in Plat 2.


    Allow me to present exhibit A. And to the person whose name is highlighted, sorry bro! Nothing against you.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,566 ★★★★★

    Skydad23 said:

    Everyone complaining about sandbagging now this is what we get which is far worse! It’s almost impossible to string together three wins. After getting to diamond 1 the first two seasons I have put in 50+ matches at gold one alone and can’t get out. Lost only three matches to get to gold one. Took a week off of BGs come back and I’m like WTH happened to matchmaking! No matter what, when I get 2 tokens I get the most ridiculous matchup. I mean I might say it was bad luck if it was like five or 10 times but I’m pushing almost 20 times having two tokens in gold one. it’s a joke.

    I'm not saying matchmaking is fine cause it definitely needs some adjustments or next season will be a complete mess but... we had to deal with sandbagging for two whole seasons and y'all can't even handle a week of this? Now you can understand why it's so frustrating having to face people you stand no chance against over and over again.
    Actually.... I was winning more with the old matchmaking system. Even when my barely thronebreaker account went up against mighty Paragon accounts that were sandbagging. They often times had to draft 1* or 2* champs. Or maybe what they were forced to select as far as their 6 r4s, there wouldn't be a counter to my defender. Example, I've gone against sandbaggers that didn't have a single poison immune or purify champ and placed iAbom on defense.
    That just highlights the issues sandbagging caused. It's going to take some time for the system to balance itself out. People were artificially skewing the results. It affected the entire system.
    And uncollected players climbing higher and so claiming better ranked rewards than Thronebreaker or paragon players isn’t “skewing the the results”? smh
    So because there's an issue with the Rewards, through no fault of people playing the game as it is, that gives people the right to take advantage of lower Players by dumbing down their Accounts? Right.
    One is the result of people playing their best. The other is the result of bitterness and manipulation.
  • ItsClobberinTimeItsClobberinTime Member Posts: 5,444 ★★★★★
    Graves_3 said:

    Skydad23 said:

    Everyone complaining about sandbagging now this is what we get which is far worse! It’s almost impossible to string together three wins. After getting to diamond 1 the first two seasons I have put in 50+ matches at gold one alone and can’t get out. Lost only three matches to get to gold one. Took a week off of BGs come back and I’m like WTH happened to matchmaking! No matter what, when I get 2 tokens I get the most ridiculous matchup. I mean I might say it was bad luck if it was like five or 10 times but I’m pushing almost 20 times having two tokens in gold one. it’s a joke.

    I'm not saying matchmaking is fine cause it definitely needs some adjustments or next season will be a complete mess but... we had to deal with sandbagging for two whole seasons and y'all can't even handle a week of this? Now you can understand why it's so frustrating having to face people you stand no chance against over and over again.
    Actually.... I was winning more with the old matchmaking system. Even when my barely thronebreaker account went up against mighty Paragon accounts that were sandbagging. They often times had to draft 1* or 2* champs. Or maybe what they were forced to select as far as their 6 r4s, there wouldn't be a counter to my defender. Example, I've gone against sandbaggers that didn't have a single poison immune or purify champ and placed iAbom on defense.
    That just highlights the issues sandbagging caused. It's going to take some time for the system to balance itself out. People were artificially skewing the results. It affected the entire system.
    And uncollected players climbing higher and so claiming better ranked rewards than Thronebreaker or paragon players isn’t “skewing the the results”? smh
    Yes, and it's the result of people abusing matchmaking for two full seasons, this wasn't just an issue that was created out of nowhere. As I said, matchmaking definitely needs some adjustments for next season but you need to be patient, we had to deal with sandbagging for two whole seasons and y'all can't even deal with this for one?
    Don't act like there weren't daily threads on the forums going off about sandbagging. Its not like people upset with sandbagging patiently waited for a resolution, they continued to blow up the forums with their frustrations. So don't be upset when we do the same because Kabam switched the matchmaking way too far the other way.

    This new system punishs people that did strictly prestige rank ups. It punishes people that have slightly lower leveled/ranked champs in their mixup just to try and match the meta. It's causing uncollected and cavs reach GC easier and faster while the barely paragon players are shafted and doing the whole 50/50 win lose with no chance of climbing the Victory Track.

    So if people blow up the forums everyday complaining again, I encourage them. They have every right to.


    Also no, no UC or Cav has made it into GC because once we reach Plat 3 we start facing TB quite frequently. I've been stuck in Plat 2 for a while now because I get matched with TB quite frequently and I haven't been able to get a 3 win streak due to this, there's not that many UC players in Plat 2.


    Allow me to present exhibit A. And to the person whose name is highlighted, sorry bro! Nothing against you.
    Is that a legit account? No mods or anything? As I mentioned, I haven't been able to get out of Plat 2 because I've been facing TB quite frequently so I find it hard to believe that person got there with no mods whatsoever. I'm gonna go take a quick look at their profile cause if it's legit that's absolutely ridiculous.
  • Graves_3Graves_3 Member Posts: 1,521 ★★★★★

    Graves_3 said:

    Skydad23 said:

    Everyone complaining about sandbagging now this is what we get which is far worse! It’s almost impossible to string together three wins. After getting to diamond 1 the first two seasons I have put in 50+ matches at gold one alone and can’t get out. Lost only three matches to get to gold one. Took a week off of BGs come back and I’m like WTH happened to matchmaking! No matter what, when I get 2 tokens I get the most ridiculous matchup. I mean I might say it was bad luck if it was like five or 10 times but I’m pushing almost 20 times having two tokens in gold one. it’s a joke.

    I'm not saying matchmaking is fine cause it definitely needs some adjustments or next season will be a complete mess but... we had to deal with sandbagging for two whole seasons and y'all can't even handle a week of this? Now you can understand why it's so frustrating having to face people you stand no chance against over and over again.
    Actually.... I was winning more with the old matchmaking system. Even when my barely thronebreaker account went up against mighty Paragon accounts that were sandbagging. They often times had to draft 1* or 2* champs. Or maybe what they were forced to select as far as their 6 r4s, there wouldn't be a counter to my defender. Example, I've gone against sandbaggers that didn't have a single poison immune or purify champ and placed iAbom on defense.
    That just highlights the issues sandbagging caused. It's going to take some time for the system to balance itself out. People were artificially skewing the results. It affected the entire system.
    And uncollected players climbing higher and so claiming better ranked rewards than Thronebreaker or paragon players isn’t “skewing the the results”? smh
    Yes, and it's the result of people abusing matchmaking for two full seasons, this wasn't just an issue that was created out of nowhere. As I said, matchmaking definitely needs some adjustments for next season but you need to be patient, we had to deal with sandbagging for two whole seasons and y'all can't even deal with this for one?
    Don't act like there weren't daily threads on the forums going off about sandbagging. Its not like people upset with sandbagging patiently waited for a resolution, they continued to blow up the forums with their frustrations. So don't be upset when we do the same because Kabam switched the matchmaking way too far the other way.

    This new system punishs people that did strictly prestige rank ups. It punishes people that have slightly lower leveled/ranked champs in their mixup just to try and match the meta. It's causing uncollected and cavs reach GC easier and faster while the barely paragon players are shafted and doing the whole 50/50 win lose with no chance of climbing the Victory Track.

    So if people blow up the forums everyday complaining again, I encourage them. They have every right to.


    Also no, no UC or Cav has made it into GC because once we reach Plat 3 we start facing TB quite frequently. I've been stuck in Plat 2 for a while now because I get matched with TB quite frequently and I haven't been able to get a 3 win streak due to this, there's not that many UC players in Plat 2.


    Allow me to present exhibit A. And to the person whose name is highlighted, sorry bro! Nothing against you.
    Is that a legit account? No mods or anything? As I mentioned, I haven't been able to get out of Plat 2 because I've been facing TB quite frequently so I find it hard to believe that person got there with no mods whatsoever. I'm gonna go take a quick look at their profile cause if it's legit that's absolutely ridiculous.
    I don’t know about the legitimacy of the account and I don’t want to simply call them out. But there are more cavalier accounts there if you happen to look.
  • ItsClobberinTimeItsClobberinTime Member Posts: 5,444 ★★★★★
    Graves_3 said:

    Graves_3 said:

    Skydad23 said:

    Everyone complaining about sandbagging now this is what we get which is far worse! It’s almost impossible to string together three wins. After getting to diamond 1 the first two seasons I have put in 50+ matches at gold one alone and can’t get out. Lost only three matches to get to gold one. Took a week off of BGs come back and I’m like WTH happened to matchmaking! No matter what, when I get 2 tokens I get the most ridiculous matchup. I mean I might say it was bad luck if it was like five or 10 times but I’m pushing almost 20 times having two tokens in gold one. it’s a joke.

    I'm not saying matchmaking is fine cause it definitely needs some adjustments or next season will be a complete mess but... we had to deal with sandbagging for two whole seasons and y'all can't even handle a week of this? Now you can understand why it's so frustrating having to face people you stand no chance against over and over again.
    Actually.... I was winning more with the old matchmaking system. Even when my barely thronebreaker account went up against mighty Paragon accounts that were sandbagging. They often times had to draft 1* or 2* champs. Or maybe what they were forced to select as far as their 6 r4s, there wouldn't be a counter to my defender. Example, I've gone against sandbaggers that didn't have a single poison immune or purify champ and placed iAbom on defense.
    That just highlights the issues sandbagging caused. It's going to take some time for the system to balance itself out. People were artificially skewing the results. It affected the entire system.
    And uncollected players climbing higher and so claiming better ranked rewards than Thronebreaker or paragon players isn’t “skewing the the results”? smh
    Yes, and it's the result of people abusing matchmaking for two full seasons, this wasn't just an issue that was created out of nowhere. As I said, matchmaking definitely needs some adjustments for next season but you need to be patient, we had to deal with sandbagging for two whole seasons and y'all can't even deal with this for one?
    Don't act like there weren't daily threads on the forums going off about sandbagging. Its not like people upset with sandbagging patiently waited for a resolution, they continued to blow up the forums with their frustrations. So don't be upset when we do the same because Kabam switched the matchmaking way too far the other way.

    This new system punishs people that did strictly prestige rank ups. It punishes people that have slightly lower leveled/ranked champs in their mixup just to try and match the meta. It's causing uncollected and cavs reach GC easier and faster while the barely paragon players are shafted and doing the whole 50/50 win lose with no chance of climbing the Victory Track.

    So if people blow up the forums everyday complaining again, I encourage them. They have every right to.


    Also no, no UC or Cav has made it into GC because once we reach Plat 3 we start facing TB quite frequently. I've been stuck in Plat 2 for a while now because I get matched with TB quite frequently and I haven't been able to get a 3 win streak due to this, there's not that many UC players in Plat 2.


    Allow me to present exhibit A. And to the person whose name is highlighted, sorry bro! Nothing against you.
    Is that a legit account? No mods or anything? As I mentioned, I haven't been able to get out of Plat 2 because I've been facing TB quite frequently so I find it hard to believe that person got there with no mods whatsoever. I'm gonna go take a quick look at their profile cause if it's legit that's absolutely ridiculous.
    I don’t know about the legitimacy of the account and I don’t want to simply call them out. But there are more cavalier accounts there if you happen to look.
    I know there's more it just doesn't make sense to me. I'm UC and I've been facing two or three TB on a daily basis which is why I'm still stuck at Plat 2. So, either every TB in Plat and above got there by sandbagging the first week and now that sandbagging's gone they're getting destroyed by Cavs or they're just straight up modding but they're being careful so nobody suspects anything. If I'm facing TB there's no way Cavs are dodging TB and Paragons it doesn't make sense.
  • MoosetiptronicMoosetiptronic Member Posts: 2,160 ★★★★
    edited December 2022

    Graves_3 said:

    Graves_3 said:

    Skydad23 said:

    Everyone complaining about sandbagging now this is what we get which is far worse! It’s almost impossible to string together three wins. After getting to diamond 1 the first two seasons I have put in 50+ matches at gold one alone and can’t get out. Lost only three matches to get to gold one. Took a week off of BGs come back and I’m like WTH happened to matchmaking! No matter what, when I get 2 tokens I get the most ridiculous matchup. I mean I might say it was bad luck if it was like five or 10 times but I’m pushing almost 20 times having two tokens in gold one. it’s a joke.

    I'm not saying matchmaking is fine cause it definitely needs some adjustments or next season will be a complete mess but... we had to deal with sandbagging for two whole seasons and y'all can't even handle a week of this? Now you can understand why it's so frustrating having to face people you stand no chance against over and over again.
    Actually.... I was winning more with the old matchmaking system. Even when my barely thronebreaker account went up against mighty Paragon accounts that were sandbagging. They often times had to draft 1* or 2* champs. Or maybe what they were forced to select as far as their 6 r4s, there wouldn't be a counter to my defender. Example, I've gone against sandbaggers that didn't have a single poison immune or purify champ and placed iAbom on defense.
    That just highlights the issues sandbagging caused. It's going to take some time for the system to balance itself out. People were artificially skewing the results. It affected the entire system.
    And uncollected players climbing higher and so claiming better ranked rewards than Thronebreaker or paragon players isn’t “skewing the the results”? smh
    Yes, and it's the result of people abusing matchmaking for two full seasons, this wasn't just an issue that was created out of nowhere. As I said, matchmaking definitely needs some adjustments for next season but you need to be patient, we had to deal with sandbagging for two whole seasons and y'all can't even deal with this for one?
    Don't act like there weren't daily threads on the forums going off about sandbagging. Its not like people upset with sandbagging patiently waited for a resolution, they continued to blow up the forums with their frustrations. So don't be upset when we do the same because Kabam switched the matchmaking way too far the other way.

    This new system punishs people that did strictly prestige rank ups. It punishes people that have slightly lower leveled/ranked champs in their mixup just to try and match the meta. It's causing uncollected and cavs reach GC easier and faster while the barely paragon players are shafted and doing the whole 50/50 win lose with no chance of climbing the Victory Track.

    So if people blow up the forums everyday complaining again, I encourage them. They have every right to.


    Also no, no UC or Cav has made it into GC because once we reach Plat 3 we start facing TB quite frequently. I've been stuck in Plat 2 for a while now because I get matched with TB quite frequently and I haven't been able to get a 3 win streak due to this, there's not that many UC players in Plat 2.


    Allow me to present exhibit A. And to the person whose name is highlighted, sorry bro! Nothing against you.
    Is that a legit account? No mods or anything? As I mentioned, I haven't been able to get out of Plat 2 because I've been facing TB quite frequently so I find it hard to believe that person got there with no mods whatsoever. I'm gonna go take a quick look at their profile cause if it's legit that's absolutely ridiculous.
    I don’t know about the legitimacy of the account and I don’t want to simply call them out. But there are more cavalier accounts there if you happen to look.
    I know there's more it just doesn't make sense to me. I'm UC and I've been facing two or three TB on a daily basis which is why I'm still stuck at Plat 2. So, either every TB in Plat and above got there by sandbagging the first week and now that sandbagging's gone they're getting destroyed by Cavs or they're just straight up modding but they're being careful so nobody suspects anything. If I'm facing TB there's no way Cavs are dodging TB and Paragons it doesn't make sense.
    I'm paragon with 7 r4s but unfortunately 3 are sig 200 and I only face high prestige paragons, in platinum 3, let alone diamond.

    I have not faced a TB at all (or even paragon under 13.5k prestige) since at least silver 1 (as far back as my history goes). It's all paragons.

    I'd *love* to face some UC, cavalier or even more TBs.

    But no, it's back to back paragons in every match.
  • ItsClobberinTimeItsClobberinTime Member Posts: 5,444 ★★★★★
    Coppin said:

    Graves_3 said:

    Graves_3 said:

    Skydad23 said:

    Everyone complaining about sandbagging now this is what we get which is far worse! It’s almost impossible to string together three wins. After getting to diamond 1 the first two seasons I have put in 50+ matches at gold one alone and can’t get out. Lost only three matches to get to gold one. Took a week off of BGs come back and I’m like WTH happened to matchmaking! No matter what, when I get 2 tokens I get the most ridiculous matchup. I mean I might say it was bad luck if it was like five or 10 times but I’m pushing almost 20 times having two tokens in gold one. it’s a joke.

    I'm not saying matchmaking is fine cause it definitely needs some adjustments or next season will be a complete mess but... we had to deal with sandbagging for two whole seasons and y'all can't even handle a week of this? Now you can understand why it's so frustrating having to face people you stand no chance against over and over again.
    Actually.... I was winning more with the old matchmaking system. Even when my barely thronebreaker account went up against mighty Paragon accounts that were sandbagging. They often times had to draft 1* or 2* champs. Or maybe what they were forced to select as far as their 6 r4s, there wouldn't be a counter to my defender. Example, I've gone against sandbaggers that didn't have a single poison immune or purify champ and placed iAbom on defense.
    That just highlights the issues sandbagging caused. It's going to take some time for the system to balance itself out. People were artificially skewing the results. It affected the entire system.
    And uncollected players climbing higher and so claiming better ranked rewards than Thronebreaker or paragon players isn’t “skewing the the results”? smh
    Yes, and it's the result of people abusing matchmaking for two full seasons, this wasn't just an issue that was created out of nowhere. As I said, matchmaking definitely needs some adjustments for next season but you need to be patient, we had to deal with sandbagging for two whole seasons and y'all can't even deal with this for one?
    Don't act like there weren't daily threads on the forums going off about sandbagging. Its not like people upset with sandbagging patiently waited for a resolution, they continued to blow up the forums with their frustrations. So don't be upset when we do the same because Kabam switched the matchmaking way too far the other way.

    This new system punishs people that did strictly prestige rank ups. It punishes people that have slightly lower leveled/ranked champs in their mixup just to try and match the meta. It's causing uncollected and cavs reach GC easier and faster while the barely paragon players are shafted and doing the whole 50/50 win lose with no chance of climbing the Victory Track.

    So if people blow up the forums everyday complaining again, I encourage them. They have every right to.


    Also no, no UC or Cav has made it into GC because once we reach Plat 3 we start facing TB quite frequently. I've been stuck in Plat 2 for a while now because I get matched with TB quite frequently and I haven't been able to get a 3 win streak due to this, there's not that many UC players in Plat 2.


    Allow me to present exhibit A. And to the person whose name is highlighted, sorry bro! Nothing against you.
    Is that a legit account? No mods or anything? As I mentioned, I haven't been able to get out of Plat 2 because I've been facing TB quite frequently so I find it hard to believe that person got there with no mods whatsoever. I'm gonna go take a quick look at their profile cause if it's legit that's absolutely ridiculous.
    I don’t know about the legitimacy of the account and I don’t want to simply call them out. But there are more cavalier accounts there if you happen to look.
    I know there's more it just doesn't make sense to me. I'm UC and I've been facing two or three TB on a daily basis which is why I'm still stuck at Plat 2. So, either every TB in Plat and above got there by sandbagging the first week and now that sandbagging's gone they're getting destroyed by Cavs or they're just straight up modding but they're being careful so nobody suspects anything. If I'm facing TB there's no way Cavs are dodging TB and Paragons it doesn't make sense.
    So u hit your wall, roof, whatever u wanna call it. Do u really think as a UC u should be able to be getting the same rewards as people not 1.. not 2... But 3 tiers higher in progression?
    Imagine how much u could have progressed if u actually did stuff in game during this 3 seasons instead of complaining in the forums...
    What are you even talking about I'm fine with Plat 2 and never said I wanted to go any higher, I shouldn't be getting higher as UC and if I was it wouldn't be fair lmao big brain reply right there.
    Also, I definitely will progress quicker now since all that complaining led to sandbagging being removed from the game, cope.
  • phillgreenphillgreen Member Posts: 4,090 ★★★★★
    I hope when its finally fixed, every account lands where it's meant to. If UC/Cav cant get out of bronze, well, so be it, neither need 6* shards anyway.
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