So for those of you who know more about IMIW than I do, how is the buff?

Oakenshield

Now that the details have been confirmed and released, how good a buff is it?

Yodabolt21

Minimal difference/improvement - Nova/PsychoMan level (So little we aren’t even sure they changed?)

Unless something changed, plasmas last longer but so less damage. That was basically the buff in a nutshell. In other words, no one will start using him and he will remain an outdated defender.

Jinxesaxe

Minimal difference/improvement - Nova/PsychoMan level (So little we aren’t even sure they changed?)

Oakenshield said:

Now that the details have been confirmed and released, how good a buff is it?

I’d like to know how Kingpin’s buff is better than that of Red Mags lol.

From what I understand, it’s minimal. Value update.

Jinx

Eb0ny-O-M4w

What "buff"?

Total_Domin01

Jinxesaxe said:

Oakenshield said:

Now that the details have been confirmed and released, how good a buff is it?

I’d like to know how Kingpin’s buff is better than that of Red Mags lol.

Jinx

I believe the reference is to Thor ragnarok, as opposed to red mags

Oakenshield

Total_Domin01 said:

Jinxesaxe said:

Oakenshield said:

Now that the details have been confirmed and released, how good a buff is it?

I’d like to know how Kingpin’s buff is better than that of Red Mags lol.

Jinx

I believe the reference is to Thor ragnarok, as opposed to red mags

That is correct. Sorry for any confusion. The red mags buff was in a class of its own and Kabam said as much, so didn’t bother showing that as a tier option.

Axew

Arguably detrimental (First Hood buff/Guillotine buff)

He became easier to manage since the plasma duration increased, but the DPS of the plasma decreased. Overall he doesn’t seem like a champion I would use offensively after the buff, even if he is easier to play.

The whole buff isn’t determental, all the other changes to his kit are great. But his damage didn’t need to be decreased, he is already outclassed by a majority of the champions in game.

Ackbar67

Solid improvement - Rags, Nebula level

I have been a massive fan of IMIW ever since pulling him as my first 6* many years ago. He has always had far more offensive ability than people give him credit for. The amount of utility he has is massive, and the damage has never been bad, especially once you get a plasma or two up.

The single biggest issue with him was that the plasma duration was really short. If the opponent was being defensive or had a long special attack you'd probably lose all your plasma. Even more importantly, it was nigh impossible to generate plasmas with a sp2+sp1 cycle, the sp2 was long enough that the only way to refresh preexisting plasmas was to dash in immediately and hope for the intercept. This could all be mitigated with the stealth spidey synergy, but it was an unfortunate downside of an otherwise amazing kit.

The buff makes the plasmas last longer while doing a little less dps. As someone who's almost certainly in the top 5% of offensive IMIW enjoyers, I think this is a solid buff. Although I haven't been able to try the buffed version yet, I anticipate the biggest benefit being the ability to create plasma with sp2+sp1

Jinxesaxe

Minimal difference/improvement - Nova/PsychoMan level (So little we aren’t even sure they changed?)

Total_Domin01 said:

Jinxesaxe said:

Oakenshield said:

Now that the details have been confirmed and released, how good a buff is it?

I’d like to know how Kingpin’s buff is better than that of Red Mags lol.

Jinx

I believe the reference is to Thor ragnarok, as opposed to red mags

Oh wow lol. You’re probably right. Thank you!

Jinx

DJMNH

Minimal difference/improvement - Nova/PsychoMan level (So little we aren’t even sure they changed?)

Overall he will be left out champ by majority of the players here incomparision to some great tech champs in the game..

Mr_Platypus

Would’ve been nice if they highlighted the changes within the character spotlight so I could spot the differences.
Incinerate lasting 16 seconds seems updated? As well as the plasma changes you all mentioned

Real_Madrid_76_2

He is an outdated defender who is knull food in bg meta

Hector_1475

As it seems, the few of us who enjoy using him offensively, will keep doing so. But no new enthusiasts will join us. *sigh*

I never understood that part of the buff problem, which does detrimental changes to characters, altering practically nothing about their usage. I mean, at the end of the day, the anguish and the disappointment of the community backfires on Kabam. And yet, here we are….

JoseOk

Minimal difference/improvement - Nova/PsychoMan level (So little we aren’t even sure they changed?)

Hector_1475 said:

As it seems, the few of us who enjoy using him offensively, will keep doing so. But no new enthusiasts will join us. *sigh*

I never understood that part of the buff problem, which does detrimental changes to characters, altering practically nothing about their usage. I mean, at the end of the day, the anguish and the disappointment of the community backfires on Kabam. And yet, here we are….

I think the issue is that they are afraid they will overpower the champs by buffing them, so they fix one thing and destroy another… instead of you know, testing it. 🧐👀

Searmenis

Minimal difference/improvement - Nova/PsychoMan level (So little we aren’t even sure they changed?)

I was constantly using him until the middle of Act 7, I really like this dude, but I never got him to r4. I got excited when I found out he was getting a buff, I said finally, my guy will get his rank up! And then, the buff came. And I r4ed Warlock.

AMS94

Minimal difference/improvement - Nova/PsychoMan level (So little we aren’t even sure they changed?)

Easier to manage but lesser DPS
Now more people CAN use him as an attacker but most of us still WON'T use him

Magrailothos

AMS94 said:

Easier to manage but lesser DPS
Now more people CAN use him as an attacker but most of us still WON'T use him

It seems weird that they took a champ whose two problems were (1) lack of damage and (2) tricky to use effectively, and made (1) slightly worse and (2) slightly better.

Was that really worth the effort of the change, let alone running an entire beta?

Seriously, for those that took part in the beta, what was the feedback given? That this was fine?

Axew

Arguably detrimental (First Hood buff/Guillotine buff)

Magrailothos said:

AMS94 said:

Easier to manage but lesser DPS
Now more people CAN use him as an attacker but most of us still WON'T use him

It seems weird that they took a champ whose two problems were (1) lack of damage and (2) tricky to use effectively, and made (1) slightly worse and (2) slightly better.

Was that really worth the effort of the change, let alone running an entire beta?

Seriously, for those that took part in the beta, what was the feedback given? That this was fine?

Most agreed that his damage was worse but he was easier to use and the buff wouldn’t make a significant impact on his use throughout the game. I don’t recall anyone saying the buff was fine as is, most wanted a damage increase

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psp742

Minimal difference/improvement - Nova/PsychoMan level (So little we aren’t even sure they changed?)

Silver Centurion still hands down the better plasma damage dealer, buffed Ironman IW is no comparison to the lather.. not even in the same class.. although it might be easier to get plasma.. the lower dps and all effort needed to achieving it is not worth it at all, compared to other tech which can do more damage.. Nimrod, Omega Sentinel, Ultron, and I think Howard Duck or Yondu can out damage Ironman IW.

My first 6* is Domino (very good) and second is Ironman IW (I was excited until I found out he was more a defender than offense focused).

Most Ironman characters are a let down and are scrub.. Ironman OG (sadness), Inferior Ironman (not superior at all), Iron Patriot (er what for), War Machine (good buff but once armor is nullify or broken, so so), Ironman IW (defender but can be easily dealt with nowadays), and Silver Centurion (from battle realm.. best Ironman damage wise)

Magrailothos

Axew said:

Magrailothos said:

AMS94 said:

Easier to manage but lesser DPS
Now more people CAN use him as an attacker but most of us still WON'T use him

It seems weird that they took a champ whose two problems were (1) lack of damage and (2) tricky to use effectively, and made (1) slightly worse and (2) slightly better.

Was that really worth the effort of the change, let alone running an entire beta?

Seriously, for those that took part in the beta, what was the feedback given? That this was fine?

Most agreed that his damage was worse but he was easier to use and the buff wouldn’t make a significant impact on his use throughout the game. I don’t recall anyone saying the buff was fine as is, most wanted a damage increase

Thanks - that's what I thought.

So in that case, what was the point of the beta at all? People gave up their own time and effort to try something, and give feedback; only for that feedback to be totally ignored.

Was the Kabam team so focused on making it easier to sustain plasma/Incinerate that no other feedback was considered? Was DPS even reviewed? Or was their metric of success something as simple as 'number of seconds with plasma or Incinerate active'...

G_S_H

Top Tier - Kingpin/Ultron level

Rank 5 worthy best tech in game!

Havanaknight

I’ll put it this way. I took him to r3 to play around with him during 8.2 beta (disclaimer: I don’t know if they changed anything between then and now). There were multiple shock vulnerability paths in 8.2… and I found myself extremely underwhelmed by him.

This was a champ that was my first (and 2nd) 5* and first 5R4. He definitely carried me to grandmaster. But he’s stayed at 5R4 since then, and the 6* is staying at r1.