There's an occasional comment from a mod, but nothing in writing or official ... not anywhere I'm aware of. Like I said, other games do it, so why not?
Believe me, I'm with you, dude ... but lack of transparency only feeds the conspiracy and keeps the tin-foil shiny.
Not sure how much more transparency you would like. A FIXED article (actually multiple) on the Kabam Support Knowledgebase site ? Official responses from Kabam Staff here on Forums ? Etc.
Maybe sending out a personal email every week to keep reminding you (and others) ?
That's for you. But a whole lot of other players mostly pulled mediocre champs instead of the featureds. With the last featureds I never pulled Valkyrie. Galan once. Wiccan once. Titania once. Gorr once. QS twice. All of my other pulls were non featureds.
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Just because I got those drops, doesn't mean everyone else will, because the drops are random. A whole lot of other players will get worse drops, and a whole lot of other players will get better drops, because that's what random means.
Then how do you explain players getting a ton of yondus and agent venoms but not 1 IDoom.
Really?
The way you explain it is that the drops are random. The fact that you are quick to dismiss my drops as being representative of all players - which they are not - but then continue to fixate on your own drops obviously proving the drops are not random tells me you believe the drops are not random as an article of faith. You seem to imply "lots" of players get bad drops so that's the predominant experience, no matter how many other players demonstrate that's not true.
The only way to attempt to get at the truth of statistical events is to actually do the work, measure the statistics. And to the extent that people have done that in a statistically sound way, no such biases have ever been detected. The fact that your brain detected them is a limitation of your brain, along with that of most people. You see what you want to see, regardless of what the data says.
People believe the crystals are rigged because a) most people don't understand statistics, like at all, not even a little bit, and b) most people want to believe the world operates according to rules they can understand. They don't like feeling dumb, and a world that runs on mathematics is an unknowable world to them, while a world that runs on conspiracies is a world that is comprehensible.
The only conspiracy at work here is that people have conspired to make a game that works according to the rules of mathematics, which is like magic only with more numbers. The crystals have been rigged to generate random sequences that trick people into seeing patterns that don't exist.
I'm reminded here of an early episode of the television series Babylon-5. In the episode one of the characters, Commander Sinclair, tells another character (G'Kar) that he (Sinclair) has planted a microscopic transponder in G'Kar that can be used to find him anywhere he goes, and if something were to happen to Sinclair his allies would use this transponder to track G'Kar down and have him killed.
He later admits to another character that he didn't actually do that, he just told G'Kar that. Because if he had planted a bug on him, it could be found and removed. But if he just tells him one is there that doesn't actually exist, they will never actually be able to find it, and will just keep looking forever. You can defeat a mechanism that exists. You cannot defeat a mechanism that doesn't actually exist.
If there was a pattern to the crystals, that pattern would eventually be discovered and could be exploited by the players. But if the crystals are random, anyone looking for a way to exploit patterns that don't actually exist will never be able to succeed. You cannot beat a random number generator. Just ask Vegas.
Anyway, I see these threads all the time and one thing I can say that might help would be for Kabam to actually have some transparency … publish percentages for each champ in-game, so it’s in writing. Other games do that. Maybe even share a little spreadsheet with the community that has how many featured crystals were opened with the last round and then show a breakdown of how many champs were distributed across the community.
Who would believe the crystals are rigged but be convinced by a spreadsheet that says the crystals are not rigged?
Furthermore, what would such a spreadsheet say? For any crystal with a random distribution, there will be a random distribution of the amounts of each champion that dropped. If you stare at enough of those numbers for a long enough period of time like a Magic Eye picture, you will eventually see whatever you want to see. If you believe the "God Tier" champs are more common, you will just keep looking month after month until you see what you want to see. You'll just stare at the monkeys until you see Shakespeare.
Not rigged but timed in a certain way. Last feature I opened probably between 75-100 features it was so many lost count only got 3 of the 6. I think it is timed somehow. Back in the day before 5 stars. I could pull all the new 4 star champs. I would spin a crystal watch the reel if it was showing a certain spin the new champ was about to drop so I would spin one a different times until that reel was showing. New champ would always drop within 5 crystals. The beginning of the new year kabam changed the reel to super generic got a bunch of complaints and they changed it to what it is now.
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They said multiple times in the past that the reel is just cosmetic. It doesn't affect which champ you get. Which champ you get is decided when you open the crystal, wether you spin it or pop it.
They could show you batman and the flash from DC in the reel but the outcome would still be the same.
That’s how it is now. It has not always been that way. It use to show a pattern in the spin before the new champ would drop. That’s how I would pull all the new 4 star champs back in the day. There was the reason kabam conveniently changed it beginning of the next year to a super generic spin reel they got so much push back they changed it to what it is now super random.
This is a fascinating myth that was actually tested back in the day and proven false. However, the story continues to this day.
The part that I *really* find fascinating, and laughably hilarious to no end, is the fact that apparently back in the day some whales paid for people to use these methods to improve their drops.
I find this staggeringly funny. See: the crystals are opened on the game servers, not the game client. Always have. If *ever* there was a day when the game implemented crystal openings on the game client, the modders could simply get the game client to drop anything they wanted. The game was never coded that way.
So the idea that what you see in the game client would affect how the game servers decided the crystal drop or vice versa when the game servers CANNOT SEE WHAT IS HAPPENING IN YOUR GAME CLIENT is epic s-tier galactic stupidity.
Oh but maybe it doesn't work that way, it works the other way: the servers predetermine your drop and then somehow communicate that in advance to the game client so the game client knows which way to move the crystal around on-screen. Nope: that theory was also trivial to shoot down. You can load crystals into the spinner while the internet is down. They just will not drop contents if the internet is down because the drop comes from the game servers.
So the game client has no way to know what the crystal will drop before the crystal is opened, so it cannot offer the player clues on what the drop is predetermined to be. And the game client cannot influence the drops, because the game client doesn't send data to the servers when a crystal is opened. Therefore, these theories are impossible. And the fact that people believe them or even claim to have tested them to be true only shows how horrible people are at observing such things.
I need to emphasize, this is not just how it works now, this is how it worked back then. Because when these ludicrous theories started floating around, I actually took a look back then. I saw other people test and fail to reproduce these results, and I looked at how the game client itself worked, and came to the conclusion that this was either a troll that turned into a myth, or just people being their usual sharp as lint selves.
Paying to have people spin their crystals. A ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
Well. I've bought 10 more just to see if maybe I'm wrong. I'm now up to 6 civil warriors. 7 black bolts. 4 dd. But I'm all about new champs now and there are 5 I don't have in this crystal (3 non featured) So, why buy basics that have an even lower chance for the 12 champs I'm missing. I'm contradicting myself here on the post suggestion but for real man. This is absolute garbage odds. And since I have 3 generic ags sitting in my inventory it really feels like my odds are different based on the fact I can awaken any champ i get that's new. I'm just not seeing the rng proof that it's not completely rigged in their favor. Which is messed up. Because we are dropping 5k extra shards.
Not rigged but timed in a certain way. Last feature I opened probably between 75-100 features it was so many lost count only got 3 of the 6. I think it is timed somehow. Back in the day before 5 stars. I could pull all the new 4 star champs. I would spin a crystal watch the reel if it was showing a certain spin the new champ was about to drop so I would spin one a different times until that reel was showing. New champ would always drop within 5 crystals. The beginning of the new year kabam changed the reel to super generic got a bunch of complaints and they changed it to what it is now.
......
They said multiple times in the past that the reel is just cosmetic. It doesn't affect which champ you get. Which champ you get is decided when you open the crystal, wether you spin it or pop it.
They could show you batman and the flash from DC in the reel but the outcome would still be the same.
That’s how it is now. It has not always been that way. It use to show a pattern in the spin before the new champ would drop. That’s how I would pull all the new 4 star champs back in the day. There was the reason kabam conveniently changed it beginning of the next year to a super generic spin reel they got so much push back they changed it to what it is now super random.
I remember way back in the day, a dude was opening an arena crystal and right at the end it showed a 4* punisher appearing and then it changed to gold within .05 seconds of it appearing. The reel has always been cosmetic.
This is absolute garbage odds. And since I have 3 generic ags sitting in my inventory it really feels like my odds are different based on the fact I can awaken any champ i get that's new. I'm just not seeing the rng proof that it's not completely rigged in their favor.
This is straight up nuts lmao. The game analyses everyone's roster and selects the drops based on awakening gems? If you believe this, then of course you aren't seeing the "rng proof" because no proof in the world would satisfy you. People can go into space and orbit the earth and it doesn't dissuade the flat earthers from their beliefs. Also, how on earth is a crystal which gives bad champs "in their favor?" Kabam loses somehow if you get a good champ? Kabam makes a game and we play the game. It isn't players vs. Kabam.
I'm just not seeing the rng proof that it's not completely rigged in their favor.
By definition, random sequences cannot produce what you expect to be proof they are random, if you are expecting something specific to prove that to you.
I just 100% the tb eq a few minutes ago, decided to try it. It's rigged. My 1st try from the previous featured when I 100% 8.1 last October I also got Titania and now her hubby.
Unfortunately every crystal is RNG based and it does not matter how many you open, that does not stack or change. Each crystal is a 1/24 chance to get a specific champion on its own crystal.
You could open 100 at a single time and it's still 1/24 for each single crystal and randomly based. It's all luck, while extremely improbable you could open 100 and get 50/50 split of 2 champions and it doesn't prove anything other than bad luck.
I have seen alliance mates open 10 crystals and get every single new champ out of the 10 they opened and others open 30 and not get a single one. Opening crystals is a gamble, if ppl can't handle bad luck without creating conspiracy theories they shouldn't play RNG based games.
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A FIXED article (actually multiple) on the Kabam Support Knowledgebase site ?
Official responses from Kabam Staff here on Forums ?
Etc.
Maybe sending out a personal email every week to keep reminding you (and others) ?
Below pic is from one of several Kabam Support Base articles that address Drop Rates, Crystal Spins, etc, such as link below…
https://help.kabamsupport.com/hc/en-us/articles/360052575131-I-Do-Not-Like-What-I-Got-in-My-Crystal-s-
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Just because I got those drops, doesn't mean everyone else will, because the drops are random. A whole lot of other players will get worse drops, and a whole lot of other players will get better drops, because that's what random means.Really?
The way you explain it is that the drops are random. The fact that you are quick to dismiss my drops as being representative of all players - which they are not - but then continue to fixate on your own drops obviously proving the drops are not random tells me you believe the drops are not random as an article of faith. You seem to imply "lots" of players get bad drops so that's the predominant experience, no matter how many other players demonstrate that's not true.The only way to attempt to get at the truth of statistical events is to actually do the work, measure the statistics. And to the extent that people have done that in a statistically sound way, no such biases have ever been detected. The fact that your brain detected them is a limitation of your brain, along with that of most people. You see what you want to see, regardless of what the data says.
People believe the crystals are rigged because a) most people don't understand statistics, like at all, not even a little bit, and b) most people want to believe the world operates according to rules they can understand. They don't like feeling dumb, and a world that runs on mathematics is an unknowable world to them, while a world that runs on conspiracies is a world that is comprehensible.
The only conspiracy at work here is that people have conspired to make a game that works according to the rules of mathematics, which is like magic only with more numbers. The crystals have been rigged to generate random sequences that trick people into seeing patterns that don't exist.
I'm reminded here of an early episode of the television series Babylon-5. In the episode one of the characters, Commander Sinclair, tells another character (G'Kar) that he (Sinclair) has planted a microscopic transponder in G'Kar that can be used to find him anywhere he goes, and if something were to happen to Sinclair his allies would use this transponder to track G'Kar down and have him killed.
He later admits to another character that he didn't actually do that, he just told G'Kar that. Because if he had planted a bug on him, it could be found and removed. But if he just tells him one is there that doesn't actually exist, they will never actually be able to find it, and will just keep looking forever. You can defeat a mechanism that exists. You cannot defeat a mechanism that doesn't actually exist.
If there was a pattern to the crystals, that pattern would eventually be discovered and could be exploited by the players. But if the crystals are random, anyone looking for a way to exploit patterns that don't actually exist will never be able to succeed. You cannot beat a random number generator. Just ask Vegas.
Furthermore, what would such a spreadsheet say? For any crystal with a random distribution, there will be a random distribution of the amounts of each champion that dropped. If you stare at enough of those numbers for a long enough period of time like a Magic Eye picture, you will eventually see whatever you want to see. If you believe the "God Tier" champs are more common, you will just keep looking month after month until you see what you want to see. You'll just stare at the monkeys until you see Shakespeare.
The part that I *really* find fascinating, and laughably hilarious to no end, is the fact that apparently back in the day some whales paid for people to use these methods to improve their drops.
I find this staggeringly funny. See: the crystals are opened on the game servers, not the game client. Always have. If *ever* there was a day when the game implemented crystal openings on the game client, the modders could simply get the game client to drop anything they wanted. The game was never coded that way.
So the idea that what you see in the game client would affect how the game servers decided the crystal drop or vice versa when the game servers CANNOT SEE WHAT IS HAPPENING IN YOUR GAME CLIENT is epic s-tier galactic stupidity.
Oh but maybe it doesn't work that way, it works the other way: the servers predetermine your drop and then somehow communicate that in advance to the game client so the game client knows which way to move the crystal around on-screen. Nope: that theory was also trivial to shoot down. You can load crystals into the spinner while the internet is down. They just will not drop contents if the internet is down because the drop comes from the game servers.
So the game client has no way to know what the crystal will drop before the crystal is opened, so it cannot offer the player clues on what the drop is predetermined to be. And the game client cannot influence the drops, because the game client doesn't send data to the servers when a crystal is opened. Therefore, these theories are impossible. And the fact that people believe them or even claim to have tested them to be true only shows how horrible people are at observing such things.
I need to emphasize, this is not just how it works now, this is how it worked back then. Because when these ludicrous theories started floating around, I actually took a look back then. I saw other people test and fail to reproduce these results, and I looked at how the game client itself worked, and came to the conclusion that this was either a troll that turned into a myth, or just people being their usual sharp as lint selves.
Paying to have people spin their crystals. A ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
11 new champs total from the featured crystals.
My 1st try from the previous featured when I 100% 8.1 last October I also got Titania and now her hubby.
You could open 100 at a single time and it's still 1/24 for each single crystal and randomly based. It's all luck, while extremely improbable you could open 100 and get 50/50 split of 2 champions and it doesn't prove anything other than bad luck.
I have seen alliance mates open 10 crystals and get every single new champ out of the 10 they opened and others open 30 and not get a single one. Opening crystals is a gamble, if ppl can't handle bad luck without creating conspiracy theories they shouldn't play RNG based games.