I think Kabam should release drop rates for Featured crystals

Kabam releseas drop rates. That's fine. But they should also release the drop rates for the featured crystals. You pay 5000 extra. I would say almost everyone pays those 5000 extra to get new champs. But there are no drop rates for the chance of getting a new champ. Based on my own calculations i know that Kabam have changed thier drop rates of getting a new champ. Right now the drop rates for getting new champs for featured crystals is 6%. Which leads to the next part - what happens when the drop rates don't match the actual results? What are the drop rates based upon? the crystals you open over a whole year? Per month? or should you, if we lets say open 100 crystals at one time get the number that corelates to the drop rate?
I know Kabam will never tell us these secrets - that's how they make money. But i rellay think they should release the drop rates for the Featured crystals. Because if you knew that the chance of you getting a new champ is 6% - maybe you would instead buy lets say 3 normal crystals instead of 2 featured. I think that would be a fair thing for Kabam to do.

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Coppin

... and how did u come up with 6% if the drop rates are not shown?
I got all feat except for mystic spidey and i didnt open that many...

GroundedWisdom

The Featured Crystal has a 1 in 24 chance at any particular Champ in the Crystal. About 4%. The Drop Rates are the same for any and all Champs in it. If your goal is for a new Champ, there are 6/24 in it. 25% chance.
I have no idea what you mean about the chances out of 100, perhaps @DNA3000 could elaborate on probability, but the Drop Rate is the same each time you open one.

AverageDesi

The drop rates are based on what the percentage is set . Not on how they open wehn you open 10-15 of them. Open a sufficiently large number of them and you'll see they all have the same chance

ReignkingTW

When you open a featured crystal, you have 100% chance of getting one of those champs!

Demonzfyre

Kabam releseas drop rates. That's fine. But they should also release the drop rates for the featured crystals. You pay 5000 extra. I would say almost everyone pays those 5000 extra to get new champs. But there are no drop rates for the chance of getting a new champ. Based on my own calculations i know that Kabam have changed thier drop rates of getting a new champ. Right now the drop rates for getting new champs for featured crystals is 6%. Which leads to the next part - what happens when the drop rates don't match the actual results? What are the drop rates based upon? the crystals you open over a whole year? Per month? or should you, if we lets say open 100 crystals at one time get the number that corelates to the drop rate?
I know Kabam will never tell us these secrets - that's how they make money. But i rellay think they should release the drop rates for the Featured crystals. Because if you knew that the chance of you getting a new champ is 6% - maybe you would instead buy lets say 3 normal crystals instead of 2 featured. I think that would be a fair thing for Kabam to do.

They have already told us that the drop rates for Featured crystals are equal per champ. 1/24. 100 is too small of a sample regardless. My drop rates are different than yours-

Each crystal is independent of others. Rates don't compound when opening multiple. You can't say "based on my drops, Kabam has changed their drop rates". You don't have enough data to determine that and not getting a champ you want, doesn't equal them changing the drop rates.

Mischabäst

So If I have registered my openings and find out that at least my drop rates are not 4% per champ, i just have extremely bad luck? Since i am interested in the data i have created a dats shett on what i get from more or less all crystals.

Demonzfyre

Kabam releseas drop rates. That's fine. But they should also release the drop rates for the featured crystals. You pay 5000 extra. I would say almost everyone pays those 5000 extra to get new champs. But there are no drop rates for the chance of getting a new champ. Based on my own calculations i know that Kabam have changed thier drop rates of getting a new champ. Right now the drop rates for getting new champs for featured crystals is 6%. Which leads to the next part - what happens when the drop rates don't match the actual results? What are the drop rates based upon? the crystals you open over a whole year? Per month? or should you, if we lets say open 100 crystals at one time get the number that corelates to the drop rate?
I know Kabam will never tell us these secrets - that's how they make money. But i rellay think they should release the drop rates for the Featured crystals. Because if you knew that the chance of you getting a new champ is 6% - maybe you would instead buy lets say 3 normal crystals instead of 2 featured. I think that would be a fair thing for Kabam to do.

Also.... they can't make money on Featured champs. You literally can't buy them.

Demonzfyre

So If I have registered my openings and find out that at least my drop rates are not 4% per champ, i just have extremely bad luck? Since i am interested in the data i have created a dats shett on what i get from more or less all crystals.

You still don't understand. The crystal has a 100% chance to drop a 6*. Each champ has an equal chance to drop over another which is about 4% per crystal opening. It doesn't mean that if you open 100 crystals, you'll get Spot 4 times guaranteed. It means that when you open a featured crystal, you have a 4% chance to get any of the champs in there. Drop rates don't compound in how you're thinking.

Mischabäst

Kabam releseas drop rates. That's fine. But they should also release the drop rates for the featured crystals. You pay 5000 extra. I would say almost everyone pays those 5000 extra to get new champs. But there are no drop rates for the chance of getting a new champ. Based on my own calculations i know that Kabam have changed thier drop rates of getting a new champ. Right now the drop rates for getting new champs for featured crystals is 6%. Which leads to the next part - what happens when the drop rates don't match the actual results? What are the drop rates based upon? the crystals you open over a whole year? Per month? or should you, if we lets say open 100 crystals at one time get the number that corelates to the drop rate?
I know Kabam will never tell us these secrets - that's how they make money. But i rellay think they should release the drop rates for the Featured crystals. Because if you knew that the chance of you getting a new champ is 6% - maybe you would instead buy lets say 3 normal crystals instead of 2 featured. I think that would be a fair thing for Kabam to do.
Also.... they can't make money on Featured champs. You literally can't buy them.

Yes you are right about that you cant buy them. My bad.

Mischabäst

So If I have registered my openings and find out that at least my drop rates are not 4% per champ, i just have extremely bad luck? Since i am interested in the data i have created a dats shett on what i get from more or less all crystals.
You still don't understand. The crystal has a 100% chance to drop a 6*. Each champ has an equal chance to drop over another which is about 4% per crystal opening. It doesn't mean that if you open 100 crystals, you'll get Spot 4 times guaranteed. It means that when you open a featured crystal, you have a 4% chance to get any of the champs in there. Drop rates don't compound in how you're thinking.

Okay I get it now. I just have extremely bad luck when opening featured crystals.
I just have to stop doing it. And use those shards elsewhere.

Demonzfyre

So If I have registered my openings and find out that at least my drop rates are not 4% per champ, i just have extremely bad luck? Since i am interested in the data i have created a dats shett on what i get from more or less all crystals.
You still don't understand. The crystal has a 100% chance to drop a 6*. Each champ has an equal chance to drop over another which is about 4% per crystal opening. It doesn't mean that if you open 100 crystals, you'll get Spot 4 times guaranteed. It means that when you open a featured crystal, you have a 4% chance to get any of the champs in there. Drop rates don't compound in how you're thinking.
Okay I get it now. I just have extremely bad luck when opening featured crystals.
I just have to stop doing it. And use those shards elsewhere.

No. That's not really the right approach either. There are far more champs in the basic pool than in the featured. You're better off targeting someone in a featured than waiting for them to be in the basic pool. The more you open, the more chances you have to get who you're looking for.

Mischabäst

So If I have registered my openings and find out that at least my drop rates are not 4% per champ, i just have extremely bad luck? Since i am interested in the data i have created a dats shett on what i get from more or less all crystals.
You still don't understand. The crystal has a 100% chance to drop a 6*. Each champ has an equal chance to drop over another which is about 4% per crystal opening. It doesn't mean that if you open 100 crystals, you'll get Spot 4 times guaranteed. It means that when you open a featured crystal, you have a 4% chance to get any of the champs in there. Drop rates don't compound in how you're thinking.
Okay I get it now. I just have extremely bad luck when opening featured crystals.
I just have to stop doing it. And use those shards elsewhere.

No. That's not really the right approach either. There are far more champs in the basic pool than in the featured. You're better off targeting someone in a featured than waiting for them to be in the basic pool. The more you open, the more chances you have to get who you're looking for.

Well for me that's the reason I wrote this post. I know what my chances are and should be. From this 6* featured i've opened 15 crystals. Of these 1 has been a new champ.
Since i don't get any new 6* ive also tried with 5* featured and there mine luck has been better with 10 opened and 2 new.
So for me it's just plain bad luck and thank you for explaining the drop rates.

Demonzfyre

So If I have registered my openings and find out that at least my drop rates are not 4% per champ, i just have extremely bad luck? Since i am interested in the data i have created a dats shett on what i get from more or less all crystals.
You still don't understand. The crystal has a 100% chance to drop a 6*. Each champ has an equal chance to drop over another which is about 4% per crystal opening. It doesn't mean that if you open 100 crystals, you'll get Spot 4 times guaranteed. It means that when you open a featured crystal, you have a 4% chance to get any of the champs in there. Drop rates don't compound in how you're thinking.
Okay I get it now. I just have extremely bad luck when opening featured crystals.
I just have to stop doing it. And use those shards elsewhere.

No. That's not really the right approach either. There are far more champs in the basic pool than in the featured. You're better off targeting someone in a featured than waiting for them to be in the basic pool. The more you open, the more chances you have to get who you're looking for.
Well for me that's the reason I wrote this post. I know what my chances are and should be. From this 6* featured i've opened 15 crystals. Of these 1 has been a new champ.
Since i don't get any new 6* ive also tried with 5* featured and there mine luck has been better with 10 opened and 2 new.
So for me it's just plain bad luck and thank you for explaining the drop rates.

That's just how RNG works. Sometimes it's good and sometimes it's bad.

Mischabäst

And on another note - from my mobile game coding friends - other games have tiers och champs/characters. I would be very surprised if Kabam doesn't have that too. Its not based on pure luck if you get a champ or not when the pool is low.

Demonzfyre

And on another note - from my mobile game coding friends - other games have tiers och champs/characters. I would be very surprised if Kabam doesn't have that too. Its not based on pure luck if you get a champ or not when the pool is low.

By Kabams words, it's 100% random. They do not have tiers within the featured pool unless otherwise stated.
https://help.kabamsupport.com/hc/en-us/articles/360052575131-I-Do-Not-Like-What-I-Got-in-My-Crystal-s-

Coppin

So If I have registered my openings and find out that at least my drop rates are not 4% per champ, i just have extremely bad luck? Since i am interested in the data i have created a dats shett on what i get from more or less all crystals.
You still don't understand. The crystal has a 100% chance to drop a 6*. Each champ has an equal chance to drop over another which is about 4% per crystal opening. It doesn't mean that if you open 100 crystals, you'll get Spot 4 times guaranteed. It means that when you open a featured crystal, you have a 4% chance to get any of the champs in there. Drop rates don't compound in how you're thinking.
Okay I get it now. I just have extremely bad luck when opening featured crystals.
I just have to stop doing it. And use those shards elsewhere.

No. That's not really the right approach either. There are far more champs in the basic pool than in the featured. You're better off targeting someone in a featured than waiting for them to be in the basic pool. The more you open, the more chances you have to get who you're looking for.
Well for me that's the reason I wrote this post. I know what my chances are and should be. From this 6* featured i've opened 15 crystals. Of these 1 has been a new champ.
Since i don't get any new 6* ive also tried with 5* featured and there mine luck has been better with 10 opened and 2 new.
So for me it's just plain bad luck and thank you for explaining the drop rates.

15 is not even a dent to calculate drop rates...

DNA3000

And on another note - from my mobile game coding friends - other games have tiers och champs/characters. I would be very surprised if Kabam doesn't have that too. Its not based on pure luck if you get a champ or not when the pool is low.

There are crystals with "tiers" for example PHCs and Cav crystals have different chances for lower rarity (i.e. star rating) champs. However, MCOC does not separate individual champions within a rarity class into "value tiers." Every game that does this discloses this fact, for the simple reason that the whole purpose of having value tiers is to encourage players to seek out and pursue the more rare items. There's no point to having secret rarities.

Furthermore, if there were rarity tiers, that would also make champion buffs and rebalances also pointless. If there was an explicit intent to make some champions worth more than others, there would be no need to buff champions seen as less valuable. Bottom tier champs have been literally buffed to top tier or nearly so many times in the past. It would be nonsensical for Kabam to make some champions worth less, make them common in the crystals, and then after everyone has them subsequently buff them to preeminence. Champs like Colossus, Magneto, Magic, Falcon, Venom, and King Groot are extremely strong evidence that Kabam doesn't artificially segregate champions into value tiers.

Also, I've been documenting all of my featured 6* crystal openings for the past few hundred openings across many featured crystal iterations. If there is a "value tier" segregation in those crystals, it is not apparent from my openings. Random chance will randomly cause players to sometimes see above average results and sometimes below average results. But if there is a strong skew to the crystals, it is extremely unlikely to somehow avoid it across that many crystals.

This would be a good time to remind people that what most players call "star rating" is something the game calls "rarity." A 5* champion has five star rarity. Star rating is how MCOC chooses to handle the notion that some things are rarer and/or harder to get than others. It isn't that MCOC doesn't have rarity tiers, it is just that they are so obvious people sometimes forget they exist, and claim that there *must* be different rarities *within* the 6* champion pool, essentially saying that there must be rarities within rarities.

SummonerNR

Multiple misconceptions in that opening to this post. Glad it was cleared up by others in relatively short order.

As to DNA and “Rarity” discussion above, I’ve always had a problem with their usage of the word “Rarity” when differentiating say 5* vs 4* vs 3*, etc.

Wish there was another word that could be used for such a 3rd differentiation. Rank and Level are already used elsewhere. Otherwise “Rank” would have actually been an appropriate use to differentiate Star versions. aka Admiral vs General vs Captain vs Corporal in the military.
Actually, “Value” (since you were talking about that) might be a good word to use too (but differently from how you were discussion “value” champs in other games). What “Value” of champ ? Your 5* Value one.

“Rarity” can only loosely be applied in terms of 2* to 4* from a Premium Hero Crystal (PC).
But as we all know too well, there are plenty of 1* champs that you could call much rarer than their 4* or 5* counterparts.
And when opening a 5* hero crystal, how could you say the champ you get (5*) is rarer than pulling a 4* or 3* from that. Getting a 4* from a 5* crystal actually is what would be very RARE (ok, technically, impossible).

That's why “Star Version” is commonly used by people, even though it is a little awkward.

Mischabäst

An update. According to all the posts above it is all about luck. So this means i must have the absoluteley worst luck in this game. I have now opened 60 featured crystals. 60. Out of these 60 i have gotten 2 newly released champions. Out of 25% chance to get a new champ i have gotten 3%. Is that the worst RNG possible?

From the cav crystals. I have now opened 60 to get the monthly released champs. 0% new monthly champs of 4/5/6* rarity. 0% 6*. and 4 out of 60 are 5* - 6,5% - at least thats close to the drop rate. But it's all about luck. And the most frequent champs that people pull are Doom, Hercules, Kingpin and Ghost right?

pseudosane

1/24 is the drop rate.

Demonzfyre

An update. According to all the posts above it is all about luck. So this means i must have the absoluteley worst luck in this game. I have now opened 60 featured crystals. 60. Out of these 60 i have gotten 2 newly released champions. Out of 25% chance to get a new champ i have gotten 3%. Is that the worst RNG possible?

From the cav crystals. I have now opened 60 to get the monthly released champs. 0% new monthly champs of 4/5/6* rarity. 0% 6*. and 4 out of 60 are 5* - 6,5% - at least thats close to the drop rate. But it's all about luck. And the most frequent champs that people pull are Doom, Hercules, Kingpin and Ghost right?

It's all about luck. You just happen to have terrible luck. You mad RNGesus upset.

Mysterio

I opened 40 crystals and got all 22 champs I didn't care for. The 2 I want I have each pulled 0 times. The chances of this happening is an 11 in 12 chance happening 40 times so roughly 3% chance. The chance of me pulling one champion I want is about 8% since I want 2 of the 24 badly. This means that the odds of me getting screwed like this are about equal to me throwing a dice and landing on a 1 or 2 rather than a 3, 4, 5 or 6.

Keep this in mind next time you complain about odds in opening crystals. It really isn't THAT unlucky it's just odds and you had a few bad ones.

Demonzfyre

I've opened 39 featured. These are my pulls.