JUST SIMPLE DICUSSION TO GET CLARITY FOR DRAX SPECIAL 1 ATTACK

Xthea9

Hi guys , need help , I have assassin mastery at 4/5 level ,my Drax is 5* rank 3/45, not duped. I am confused with the special 1 attack , How much it can damage ? Considering the if he has 2 fury on when I am placing his special 1 on opponent.

Below I am attaching few images of attack,mastery,Drax etc. just for reference, the pics may not be uploaded in proper sequence so don’t get mad at me , but I am sure you guys are smart you will figure it out which pic says what.







Let me know if this info is enough, I know don’t have the node buffs info. Of the opponent but that can be arranged I have to look for it. ( it’s AQ map 3 I guess , poison node , two nodes before dormammu)

Eb0ny-O-M4w

No one can know that. Different champions have different special attack damage.

Xthea9

eXtripa69 wrote: »

No one can know that. Different champions have different special attack damage.

Ok, but considering the fury , I thought Drax damage should be more , but I didn’t know how much it should be so that’s why I thought I should check in the fourm.

Deadbyrd9

Mines 4/55 and duped but mine does 10k on crits and about 4K without a crit

Xthea9

Deadbyrd9 wrote: »

Mines 4/55 and duped but mine does 10k on crits and about 4K without a crit

That sounds like a damage , but if I see 4K is without a crit, and urs is rank 4 , then rank 3 should do at least 4K with crit. Just a speculation I guess. But if I know how much damage my champ can do with my special attack then I can make few strategies for fight. Just a thought

Deadbyrd9

I’ll have to test the 4K but it sounds about right

DNA3000

You're asking a complex question which would take a significant amount of work to figure out. I can maybe get part of the way there. First problem is Drax's description doesn't state how much damage his SP1 does. I did a test against a 4* Ultron and landed 1455 with no fury with my 2/35 Drax that has 1058 attack. 4* Ultron should have about 14% armor. So the raw damage of that attack should be somewhere around 1692. That suggests SP1 deals about 1.6 times attack rating in damage. So your Drax should deal about 2102 damage with SP1 before fury. Two stacks of fury should, if that comes from a combo of one attack and one special trigger, about 70% more attack total, approximately. That's 3573.

You're actually landing about half of that, and that's before assassins. So either my testing is off, my math is off, or something is going on in this fight that I'm not accounting for. WIthout more information, someone with more insight into what's going on will have to jump in.

Deadbyrd9

Mine at rank 4 was doing 3300 damage with suicides and 1 fury on a rank 4 king groot. I think that crit number was from my last LoL path so it’s probably a bit high but 1800 seems right for a rank 3 no suicides

DNA3000

Deadbyrd9 wrote: »

Mine at rank 4 was doing 3300 damage with suicides and 1 fury on a rank 4 king groot. I think that crit number was from my last LoL path so it’s probably a bit high but 1800 seems right for a rank 3 no suicides

One complication is that Drax seems to have two different fury sources with two different strengths. The special attacks always stack fury but that fury is about half as strong as the one that has a chance to proc on all attacks. So which fury you have and how many can significantly alter your expected damage.

Cloutlordree

Any of the nodes have physical resistance or armor up?

Xthea9

DNA3000 wrote: »

You're asking a complex question which would take a significant amount of work to figure out. I can maybe get part of the way there. First problem is Drax's description doesn't state how much damage his SP1 does. I did a test against a 4* Ultron and landed 1455 with no fury with my 2/35 Drax that has 1058 attack. 4* Ultron should have about 14% armor. So the raw damage of that attack should be somewhere around 1692. That suggests SP1 deals about 1.6 times attack rating in damage. So your Drax should deal about 2102 damage with SP1 before fury. Two stacks of fury should, if that comes from a combo of one attack and one special trigger, about 70% more attack total, approximately. That's 3573.

You're actually landing about half of that, and that's before assassins. So either my testing is off, my math is off, or something is going on in this fight that I'm not accounting for. WIthout more information, someone with more insight into what's going on will have to jump in.

See that’s what I was talking about, when I see numbers , I see calculation, and that calculation isn’t correct in respect to Drax damage. If you look at the total attack of Drax it says - 1314, now I don’t know the significance of this attack number, but if you consider this attack + crit + crit mastery, I don’t think so Drax special 1 attack damage should be - 1884

dkatryl

During Arenas, where he gets used the most, my r4 4* duped Drax does around 4k on a SP1 crit.

I have 5/5 Assassin, (no suicides), so usually by the time I build up enough power for a SP1, they are probably down low enough to get the +60% attack.

Xthea9

Cloutlordree wrote: »

Any of the nodes have physical resistance or armor up?

I don’t know the node buff but it’s - AQ Map 3 ( Expert Tier) node 66

dkatryl

DNA3000 wrote: »

You're asking a complex question which would take a significant amount of work to figure out. I can maybe get part of the way there. First problem is Drax's description doesn't state how much damage his SP1 does. I did a test against a 4* Ultron and landed 1455 with no fury with my 2/35 Drax that has 1058 attack. 4* Ultron should have about 14% armor. So the raw damage of that attack should be somewhere around 1692. That suggests SP1 deals about 1.6 times attack rating in damage. So your Drax should deal about 2102 damage with SP1 before fury. Two stacks of fury should, if that comes from a combo of one attack and one special trigger, about 70% more attack total, approximately. That's 3573.

You're actually landing about half of that, and that's before assassins. So either my testing is off, my math is off, or something is going on in this fight that I'm not accounting for. WIthout more information, someone with more insight into what's going on will have to jump in.

One thing in your math is against Ultron, Drax will get 40% extra attack for class bonus, and in the OP screenshot, against a Cosmic symbiode, there would be no additional attack buff.

Eb0ny-O-M4w

Xthea9 wrote: »

DNA3000 wrote: »

You're asking a complex question which would take a significant amount of work to figure out. I can maybe get part of the way there. First problem is Drax's description doesn't state how much damage his SP1 does. I did a test against a 4* Ultron and landed 1455 with no fury with my 2/35 Drax that has 1058 attack. 4* Ultron should have about 14% armor. So the raw damage of that attack should be somewhere around 1692. That suggests SP1 deals about 1.6 times attack rating in damage. So your Drax should deal about 2102 damage with SP1 before fury. Two stacks of fury should, if that comes from a combo of one attack and one special trigger, about 70% more attack total, approximately. That's 3573.

You're actually landing about half of that, and that's before assassins. So either my testing is off, my math is off, or something is going on in this fight that I'm not accounting for. WIthout more information, someone with more insight into what's going on will have to jump in.

See that’s what I was talking about, when I see numbers , I see calculation, and that calculation isn’t correct in respect to Drax damage. If you look at the total attack of Drax it says - 1314, now I don’t know the significance of this attack number, but if you consider this attack + crit + crit mastery, I don’t think so Drax special 1 attack damage should be - 1884

The screenshot shows a non-crit sp1.

Codornas

My 50/50 drax just dealt 3k on normal E1 and 6k on critical E1. He had 2 furies and he s lvl 20 only

DaMunk

I've seen 7k+ on a crit from my r5 4* against the new Thor but his regular L1 is pretty low, around 1400 probably but it varies depending on fury

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GbSarkar

DNA3000 wrote: »

You're actually landing about half of that, and that's before assassins. So either my testing is off, my math is off, or something is going on in this fight that I'm not accounting for. WIthout more information, someone with more insight into what's going on will have to jump in.

There's physical resistance which is no longer listed under base stats (though I don't think it would make that much difference) and then there's a damage resistance stat (unique for every champ) which no one knows how it operates/when it is applied

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Connect

I’m not being funny but is it correct op you lost your sw against a Symbian which only can special2.

Kinda surprised to see that n now with the question asked.

The reading is correct.

Your attack is 1314, symb has an amour rating which we will call (X1).

Your attack was 1884.

So basically you gained 570 extra attack which is 87 which basically makes symb armour rating at 100.

So basically you hit a none critical at 1314 added an extra 50% to attack making it 1971 because symb has 100 armour reduced to 87 you then minus 87 from 1971 n you get your accurate hit.

The fury is not active during the spec1 so shouldn’t be taken into account.

Xthea9

Connect wrote: »

I’m not being funny but is it correct op you lost your sw against a Symbian which only can special2.

Kinda surprised to see that n now with the question asked.

The reading is correct.

Your attack is 1314, symb has an amour rating which we will call (X1).

Your attack was 1884.

So basically you gained 570 extra attack which is 87 which basically makes symb armour rating at 100.

So basically you hit a none critical at 1314 added an extra 50% to attack making it 1971 because symb has 100 armour reduced to 87 you then minus 87 from 1971 n you get your accurate hit.

The fury is not active during the spec1 so shouldn’t be taken into account.

Yeah, that’s true, I lost SW, but AQ map 3 day 5 expert tier , and that node is poison, and I don’t understand stack of two fury , and I am hitting a non crit hit , it’s not active, why it’s not active when it’s on the screen, if it’s not active it shouldn’t appear on the screen, I think if you got stun, symbol and stun written on the screen appear, it’s like interactive response, I am sure if screen says fury , that means fury is active.

It’s not a basic hit, it’s special attack, so something should be special in it, 100 armor , did you check the node , if that’s true , then that we should consider in the calculation.

Xthea9

SmokinSurfer wrote: »

eXtripa69 wrote: »

Xthea9 wrote: »

DNA3000 wrote: »

You're asking a complex question which would take a significant amount of work to figure out. I can maybe get part of the way there. First problem is Drax's description doesn't state how much damage his SP1 does. I did a test against a 4* Ultron and landed 1455 with no fury with my 2/35 Drax that has 1058 attack. 4* Ultron should have about 14% armor. So the raw damage of that attack should be somewhere around 1692. That suggests SP1 deals about 1.6 times attack rating in damage. So your Drax should deal about 2102 damage with SP1 before fury. Two stacks of fury should, if that comes from a combo of one attack and one special trigger, about 70% more attack total, approximately. That's 3573.

You're actually landing about half of that, and that's before assassins. So either my testing is off, my math is off, or something is going on in this fight that I'm not accounting for. WIthout more information, someone with more insight into what's going on will have to jump in.

See that’s what I was talking about, when I see numbers , I see calculation, and that calculation isn’t correct in respect to Drax damage. If you look at the total attack of Drax it says - 1314, now I don’t know the significance of this attack number, but if you consider this attack + crit + crit mastery, I don’t think so Drax special 1 attack damage should be - 1884

The screenshot shows a non-crit sp1.

Right. Crit /Crit damage means nothing here

Are you referring to the damage appear in white numbers? Cause if that’s what you mean then the crit damages should appear in brown/orange color. Correct?