We need to talk about docks urgently

Rebark

It's been almost 10 seasons since I finished master and my alliance takes dock. I've been through three different alliances. This season I almost went to play in an alliance outside my country and it also ended up taking dock. How long is it fair to keep punishing the entire alliance for the mistakes of some? And don't be fooled, the majority that didn't dock just piloted it the right way. They just didn't make a mistake by cheating, It's just unfair. I no longer feel like spending a single amplifier, consuming game content, improving, to end up being punished for something I didn't do.
I'm not defending pilots, but I think it's time to come permaban and stop punishing alliances, just give permanent bans to those who practice this and it will end.
If you are against permaban, start giving a 60-day ban, so that you lose two seasons of Battleground and lose the rewards of the current and next season of AW, maybe that will demotivate these people.

Kappa2g

Yea, kabam seems to not care about collateral damage to the rest of the alliance when handing out punishments.

Take the recent incursion ban wave for example as well, they did it on the final war attack phase on the season, some alliances were probably screwed out of their ranks due to players unable to participate. Now, I'm not defending those who cheated for the legends title but postponing the ban wave by one day would minimize the collateral damage done to other innocent alliance members..

MrSakuragi

What is your solution? Ban the player but allow the alliance to keep the points unfairly earned and punish every other alliance who didn’t cheat instead?

Rebark

MrSakuragi said:

What is your solution? Ban the player but allow the alliance to keep the points unfairly earned and punish every other alliance who didn’t cheat instead?

80% of master alliances are cheating with piloting. Some are caught, some are not. But it is common knowledge.

Colinwhitworth69

Define piloting, please.

Demonzfyre

Rebark said:

MrSakuragi said:

What is your solution? Ban the player but allow the alliance to keep the points unfairly earned and punish every other alliance who didn’t cheat instead?

80% of master alliances are cheating with piloting. Some are caught, some are not. But it is common knowledge.

That doesn't answer the question. What's your solution?

Rebark

Demonzfyre said:

Rebark said:

MrSakuragi said:

What is your solution? Ban the player but allow the alliance to keep the points unfairly earned and punish every other alliance who didn’t cheat instead?

80% of master alliances are cheating with piloting. Some are caught, some are not. But it is common knowledge.

That doesn't answer the question. What's your solution?

Rebark

Colinwhitworth69 said:

Define piloting, please.

It's when someone pays a merc to play aw on their account. This is what usually brings about these punishments. Some alliances have people playing on several different accounts. I won't explain more than that because I would be teaching piloting

Colinwhitworth69

Rebark said:

Colinwhitworth69 said:

Define piloting, please.

It's when someone pays a merc to play aw on their account. This is what usually brings about these punishments. Some alliances have people playing on several different accounts. I won't explain more than that because I would be teaching piloting

Thanks, that’s what I thought, so what did you mean by “piloting the right way”?

Rebark

Colinwhitworth69 said:

Rebark said:

Colinwhitworth69 said:

Define piloting, please.

It's when someone pays a merc to play aw on their account. This is what usually brings about these punishments. Some alliances have people playing on several different accounts. I won't explain more than that because I would be teaching piloting

Thanks, that’s what I thought, so what did you mean by “piloting the right way”?

There are some things you cannot do on the account of the person you are piloting, otherwise you will be detected. I can't talk about them here but basically the alliances that take punishment is because the "pilot" did one of these things.
It's simple things, places in the game you can't go, using the same device, among other things. That's my point. Only those who are caught are punished, which does not mean that alliances that were not punished are clean. In the end, those who are hurt are those who are playing honestly, who are dedicated, who bought amps and end up paying the price because someone else is being "pilotted"

MrSakuragi

Rebark said:

Demonzfyre said:

Rebark said:

MrSakuragi said:

What is your solution? Ban the player but allow the alliance to keep the points unfairly earned and punish every other alliance who didn’t cheat instead?

80% of master alliances are cheating with piloting. Some are caught, some are not. But it is common knowledge.

That doesn't answer the question. What's your solution?

So people that are in an alliance with caught cheaters should be rewarded?

Mackey

MrSakuragi said:

Rebark said:

Demonzfyre said:

Rebark said:

MrSakuragi said:

What is your solution? Ban the player but allow the alliance to keep the points unfairly earned and punish every other alliance who didn’t cheat instead?

80% of master alliances are cheating with piloting. Some are caught, some are not. But it is common knowledge.

That doesn't answer the question. What's your solution?

So people that are in an alliance with caught cheaters should be rewarded?

Where did you get that from?

Demonzfyre

Rebark said:

Demonzfyre said:

Rebark said:

MrSakuragi said:

What is your solution? Ban the player but allow the alliance to keep the points unfairly earned and punish every other alliance who didn’t cheat instead?

80% of master alliances are cheating with piloting. Some are caught, some are not. But it is common knowledge.

That doesn't answer the question. What's your solution?

Again, you're not answering the question. Anyone who's caught cheating in AW is banned or permabanned eventually.

If an alliance benefits from a cheater, why shouldn't they dock the whole alliance.

MrSakuragi

Mackey said:

MrSakuragi said:

Rebark said:

Demonzfyre said:

Rebark said:

MrSakuragi said:

What is your solution? Ban the player but allow the alliance to keep the points unfairly earned and punish every other alliance who didn’t cheat instead?

80% of master alliances are cheating with piloting. Some are caught, some are not. But it is common knowledge.

That doesn't answer the question. What's your solution?

So people that are in an alliance with caught cheaters should be rewarded?

Where did you get that from?

If he is saying alliances no longer be punished or docked, the alternative is that they would get to keep all points earned while cheaters were among them. If the only punishment is that the cheaters are suspended or banned, alliances will benefit from potential increased season points from wars the cheater participated in.

Rebark

Demonzfyre said:

Rebark said:

Demonzfyre said:

Rebark said:

MrSakuragi said:

What is your solution? Ban the player but allow the alliance to keep the points unfairly earned and punish every other alliance who didn’t cheat instead?

80% of master alliances are cheating with piloting. Some are caught, some are not. But it is common knowledge.

That doesn't answer the question. What's your solution?

Again, you're not answering the question. Anyone who's caught cheating in AW is banned or permabanned eventually.

If an alliance benefits from a cheater, why shouldn't they dock the whole alliance.

What war tier do you play?

Colinwhitworth69

Rebark said:

Colinwhitworth69 said:

Rebark said:

Colinwhitworth69 said:

Define piloting, please.

It's when someone pays a merc to play aw on their account. This is what usually brings about these punishments. Some alliances have people playing on several different accounts. I won't explain more than that because I would be teaching piloting

Thanks, that’s what I thought, so what did you mean by “piloting the right way”?

There are some things you cannot do on the account of the person you are piloting, otherwise you will be detected. I can't talk about them here but basically the alliances that take punishment is because the "pilot" did one of these things.
It's simple things, places in the game you can't go, using the same device, among other things. That's my point. Only those who are caught are punished, which does not mean that alliances that were not punished are clean. In the end, those who are hurt are those who are playing honestly, who are dedicated, who bought amps and end up paying the price because someone else is being "pilotted"

Well, as an alliance leader, I tell new members that we do not want any cheaters, which includes piloting. The issue is not about whether Kabam can detect it, and I would never condone cheating because other alliances are doing it.

Just play the game correctly and have fun. If you have to cheat, then you're doing it wrong.

Rebark

Colinwhitworth69 said:

Rebark said:

Colinwhitworth69 said:

Rebark said:

Colinwhitworth69 said:

Define piloting, please.

It's when someone pays a merc to play aw on their account. This is what usually brings about these punishments. Some alliances have people playing on several different accounts. I won't explain more than that because I would be teaching piloting

Thanks, that’s what I thought, so what did you mean by “piloting the right way”?

There are some things you cannot do on the account of the person you are piloting, otherwise you will be detected. I can't talk about them here but basically the alliances that take punishment is because the "pilot" did one of these things.
It's simple things, places in the game you can't go, using the same device, among other things. That's my point. Only those who are caught are punished, which does not mean that alliances that were not punished are clean. In the end, those who are hurt are those who are playing honestly, who are dedicated, who bought amps and end up paying the price because someone else is being "pilotted"

Well, as an alliance leader, I tell new members that we do not want any cheaters, which includes piloting. The issue is not about whether Kabam can detect it, and I would never condone cheating because other alliances are doing it.

Just play the game correctly and have fun. If you have to cheat, then you're doing it wrong.

I've never cheated but I've been getting punished for almost a year now because of other people cheating.
Officials ask for the videos, but nothing guarantees that it is not a third person who plays, records the videos and sends them to the account owner. It's nearly impossible to control.

Demonzfyre

Rebark said:

Demonzfyre said:

Rebark said:

Demonzfyre said:

Rebark said:

MrSakuragi said:

What is your solution? Ban the player but allow the alliance to keep the points unfairly earned and punish every other alliance who didn’t cheat instead?

80% of master alliances are cheating with piloting. Some are caught, some are not. But it is common knowledge.

That doesn't answer the question. What's your solution?

Again, you're not answering the question. Anyone who's caught cheating in AW is banned or permabanned eventually.

If an alliance benefits from a cheater, why shouldn't they dock the whole alliance.

What war tier do you play?

I'm in Plat 4 right now. I've played as high as Plat 1 on the cusp of Masters. It doesn't matter what tier or bracket I'm in. Why should you benefit in getting masters rewards for wins that resulted from having a cheater in your alliance? Piloting is cheating as well. There is no good or bad piloting.

The whole alliance should suffer if they benefited from mercs, pilots or modders. Would you like modders in BGs to keep their rewards?

Demonzfyre

Rebark said:

Colinwhitworth69 said:

Rebark said:

Colinwhitworth69 said:

Define piloting, please.

It's when someone pays a merc to play aw on their account. This is what usually brings about these punishments. Some alliances have people playing on several different accounts. I won't explain more than that because I would be teaching piloting

Thanks, that’s what I thought, so what did you mean by “piloting the right way”?

There are some things you cannot do on the account of the person you are piloting, otherwise you will be detected. I can't talk about them here but basically the alliances that take punishment is because the "pilot" did one of these things.
It's simple things, places in the game you can't go, using the same device, among other things. That's my point. Only those who are caught are punished, which does not mean that alliances that were not punished are clean. In the end, those who are hurt are those who are playing honestly, who are dedicated, who bought amps and end up paying the price because someone else is being "pilotted"

Account sharing is against the games ToS. Piloting is also against the games ToS. You got what you deserved.

Also, of course those who are caught are punished. How can you punish someone who isn't caught? Keen observation Captain Obvious.

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Demonzfyre

LJF said:

Demonzfyre said:

Again, you're not answering the question. Anyone who's caught cheating in AW is banned or permabanned eventually.

If this were true, alliances wouldn't suffer repeat docks. TCN has been docked more times than I can count. MIBR (aka A-F) has had a few too. Believe NEXT have been docked a pair of times. They keep getting docked because the cheaters just rejoin once the ban expires and, surprise surprise, cheat again.

It takes 3 or 4 infractions for things like piloting to get permabanned unfortunately. But I am all for harsher punishment for alliances that keep these players around. Like banned from war after "X" amount of infractions.

pseudosane

Are you from AF?
Unfortunately, only way to stay away from docks is to leave those alliances as they seem incorrigible.

GroundedWisdom

LJF said:

Demonzfyre said:

Again, you're not answering the question. Anyone who's caught cheating in AW is banned or permabanned eventually.

If this were true, alliances wouldn't suffer repeat docks. TCN has been docked more times than I can count. MIBR (aka A-F) has had a few too. Believe NEXT have been docked a pair of times. They keep getting docked because the cheaters just rejoin once the ban expires and, surprise surprise, cheat again.

I find it hard to believe that cheaters are being readded to top Alliances without the Alliance knowing who they are. It isn't exactly the YMCA.
As to the subject, an Alliance wins as a team and loses as a team. If they're playing a team game mode and someone cheats, those Rewards need to be adjusted.
Piloting and Account Sharing should not be happening, whether it happens all the time or not. If you have to pay a Merc to play for you, you don't belong in the top, and if you're not available to play, then you can't play. That's about as simple as it gets. (I mean the Royal "you".)
Either way, if you're a party to an Alliance doing this and you're getting punished as well, walk away. Report it if you feel so inclined.

TyEdge

Obsidiman_Jones said:

Totally thought this was a post about boating. I have nothing to add.

I thought it was a typo, possibly related to today’s Ted Lasso

SummonerNR

Piloting is AGAINST THE RULES. Period. End. Stop.

There is no “Piloting the right way”.

Even if it is just teammates logging in as someone else, only for the sake of moving and using energy. That is still AGAINST THE RULES.

Doesn’t necessarily have to be Mercs actually doing your harder fights.

You also convoluted “people with multiple accounts” into your statement, trying to deflect the wrongdoing by interjecting something into the argument that is actually OK and allowed. People with multiple accounts are obviously allowed to play on each of THEIR own accounts. That person can even do so one after another, back-2-back-2-back on each of their accounts, advancing each of their accounts along their paths one after another. That is NOT piloting if they are playing THEIR own accounts.

Mauled

GroundedWisdom said:

LJF said:

Demonzfyre said:

Again, you're not answering the question. Anyone who's caught cheating in AW is banned or permabanned eventually.

If this were true, alliances wouldn't suffer repeat docks. TCN has been docked more times than I can count. MIBR (aka A-F) has had a few too. Believe NEXT have been docked a pair of times. They keep getting docked because the cheaters just rejoin once the ban expires and, surprise surprise, cheat again.

I find it hard to believe that cheaters are being readded to top Alliances without the Alliance knowing who they are. It isn't exactly the YMCA.
As to the subject, an Alliance wins as a team and loses as a team. If they're playing a team game mode and someone cheats, those Rewards need to be adjusted.
Piloting and Account Sharing should not be happening, whether it happens all the time or not. If you have to pay a Merc to play for you, you don't belong in the top, and if you're not available to play, then you can't play. That's about as simple as it gets. (I mean the Royal "you".)
Either way, if you're a party to an Alliance doing this and you're getting punished as well, walk away. Report it if you feel so inclined.

Players who are the cause of docks tend to get black listed from recruitment channels, certainly at the high end of war.

It is undeniable that there is an active black market for content at the top of the game but it is better than it has been, and alliances that I’ve joined will actively try to remain as ‘pure’ as they can. Sadly I’ve missed out on a masters finish due to a rotten apple in the alliance, it’s something that’ll probably happen to everyone in T1 alliances once in their career. It’s a truly terrible feeling but the culprit has been blacklisted and I’ve not seen them since.

This is one of the reasons references are often requested along with war videos.

Mackey

MrSakuragi said:

Mackey said:

MrSakuragi said:

Rebark said:

Demonzfyre said:

Rebark said:

MrSakuragi said:

What is your solution? Ban the player but allow the alliance to keep the points unfairly earned and punish every other alliance who didn’t cheat instead?

80% of master alliances are cheating with piloting. Some are caught, some are not. But it is common knowledge.

That doesn't answer the question. What's your solution?

So people that are in an alliance with caught cheaters should be rewarded?

Where did you get that from?

If he is saying alliances no longer be punished or docked, the alternative is that they would get to keep all points earned while cheaters were among them. If the only punishment is that the cheaters are suspended or banned, alliances will benefit from potential increased season points from wars the cheater participated in.

Good assumption

Agent_X_zzz

From mibr to af next change to (CM Canadian moose) and maybe you will avoid dock

Rebark

It seems that people here have a huge difficulty understanding what I'm saying, so I'll explain for the last time: I'm not defending cheating, I don't pay to make my events, I don't pay to make my arenas, I make each event myself on my account with my own effort.
For me it was a permanent ban on all accounts that crossed IP with the merc you are piloting.
That said: Docking two or three master alliances because someone piloted it wrong just keeps the injustice going on. Of the 30 alliances that fight for master, there are at least 20 full of pilots.
I don't know who the hell is piloting or doing anything wrong, I'm not an officer. I'm playing my game honestly, I do subs, sometimes I even boss. The question here is to find a way to end this. It's tiring. Kabam bans cheaters for 1 week and they come back in the following season. I'm advocating that the player being piloted should be permanently banned and all accounts he entered should be banned too, it's that simple.
About the alliances I play: I'm Brazilian and here in Brazil we don't use Line. This leaves only two alliance options for me. I was going to play at NEXT this season, if I had gone, I would have taken the dock too. I have no interest in being benefited by cheaters, I don't need it, I just want stricter punishments or methods that eliminate this practice once and for all. Harming all people who play honestly with Dock to give a week ban on who was being piloted is simply unfair.
Okay, you think you should really punish the whole alliance. But do you disagree that bans should be permanent or for at least a few months?

Demonzfyre

Rebark said:

It seems that people here have a huge difficulty understanding what I'm saying, so I'll explain for the last time: I'm not defending cheating, I don't pay to make my events, I don't pay to make my arenas, I make each event myself on my account with my own effort.
For me it was a permanent ban on all accounts that crossed IP with the merc you are piloting.
That said: Docking two or three master alliances because someone piloted it wrong just keeps the injustice going on. Of the 30 alliances that fight for master, there are at least 20 full of pilots.
I don't know who the hell is piloting or doing anything wrong, I'm not an officer. I'm playing my game honestly, I do subs, sometimes I even boss. The question here is to find a way to end this. It's tiring. Kabam bans cheaters for 1 week and they come back in the following season. I'm advocating that the player being piloted should be permanently banned and all accounts he entered should be banned too, it's that simple.
About the alliances I play: I'm Brazilian and here in Brazil we don't use Line. This leaves only two alliance options for me. I was going to play at NEXT this season, if I had gone, I would have taken the dock too. I have no interest in being benefited by cheaters, I don't need it, I just want stricter punishments or methods that eliminate this practice once and for all. Harming all people who play honestly with Dock to give a week ban on who was being piloted is simply unfair.
Okay, you think you should really punish the whole alliance. But do you disagree that bans should be permanent or for at least a few months?

Account
Sharing
Is
Against
The
Rules
And
Is
Still
Cheating.

Piloting is wrong. Piloting is cheating.

There's no such thing as a permanent ban for a few months. That's a temporary ban.

NearJr

Rebark said:

MrSakuragi said:

What is your solution? Ban the player but allow the alliance to keep the points unfairly earned and punish every other alliance who didn’t cheat instead?

80% of master alliances are cheating with piloting. Some are caught, some are not. But it is common knowledge.

That's a wild generalization/accusation.

The fact remains, if you share your account, you deserve to get docked. If anyone else in your alliance shares their account, they deserve to get docked. If anyone in your alliance logs into the account of any other player, in any alliance, they deserve to get docked.

Rule is pretty straightforward: Don't cheat.

I love watching cheaters get docked. No "innocent" account gets wrongfully banned these days.

Don't cheat, simple.