Something a champ is immune to shouldnt try to trigger in the first place. You’re saying this because you don’t quite understand how the game is coded. It would be impossible to be immune to something if there was no way to trigger it in the first place. The buff HAS to try to trigger in order for the game to know it has triggered. If it cannot even try and trigger, then the immunity can’t ever be triggered. If what you asked for happened, spider man 2099 would never be able to trigger his pause, because you’ve asked that the buff never tries to trigger, so the game has no idea that a buff tried to trigger at all - so it doesn’t know to pause his debuffs. What you asked for just destroyed the champion You cant trigger something that's already triggered, this would make sense if they were only immune sometimes, colossus is immune to bleed all the time, his immunity is triggered all the time it cannot be re-triggered, how can something try to trigger if it is impossible for that thing to trigger in the first place? “You cant trigger something that's already triggered”Nothing in this situation is trying to re trigger something that’s already triggered. I’m not sure what you mean. “how can something try to trigger if it is impossible for that thing to trigger in the first place?”Glad you asked. The way it works is Spidey dexes -> he attempts to gain a buff -> the game is flagging this as a buff -> Spidey is immune to buffs -> immune call out pops up When there’s a neutralise, the order is different Spidey dexes -> neutralise reduces the ability accuracy of the buff -> the buff doesn’t attempt to trigger -> the game never knows that Spidey is immune to a buff that didn’t try to trigger The issue here is with your wording “if it is impossible for that thing to trigger in the first place?” The thing is - it’s not impossible for a buff to try to trigger on Spidey. It’s impossible for a buff to be active on Spidey. The buff has to try to trigger for Spidey to be immune. Imagine this. You’re playing as Nick Fury and you have a 100% concussion on you. If you hit colossus with a medium attack and try and place a bleed, do you think there would still be an immune call out? Do you think colossus would be immune to a bleed that never triggered?
Something a champ is immune to shouldnt try to trigger in the first place. You’re saying this because you don’t quite understand how the game is coded. It would be impossible to be immune to something if there was no way to trigger it in the first place. The buff HAS to try to trigger in order for the game to know it has triggered. If it cannot even try and trigger, then the immunity can’t ever be triggered. If what you asked for happened, spider man 2099 would never be able to trigger his pause, because you’ve asked that the buff never tries to trigger, so the game has no idea that a buff tried to trigger at all - so it doesn’t know to pause his debuffs. What you asked for just destroyed the champion You cant trigger something that's already triggered, this would make sense if they were only immune sometimes, colossus is immune to bleed all the time, his immunity is triggered all the time it cannot be re-triggered, how can something try to trigger if it is impossible for that thing to trigger in the first place?
Something a champ is immune to shouldnt try to trigger in the first place. You’re saying this because you don’t quite understand how the game is coded. It would be impossible to be immune to something if there was no way to trigger it in the first place. The buff HAS to try to trigger in order for the game to know it has triggered. If it cannot even try and trigger, then the immunity can’t ever be triggered. If what you asked for happened, spider man 2099 would never be able to trigger his pause, because you’ve asked that the buff never tries to trigger, so the game has no idea that a buff tried to trigger at all - so it doesn’t know to pause his debuffs. What you asked for just destroyed the champion
Something a champ is immune to shouldnt try to trigger in the first place.
Something a champ is immune to shouldnt try to trigger in the first place. You’re saying this because you don’t quite understand how the game is coded. It would be impossible to be immune to something if there was no way to trigger it in the first place. The buff HAS to try to trigger in order for the game to know it has triggered. If it cannot even try and trigger, then the immunity can’t ever be triggered. If what you asked for happened, spider man 2099 would never be able to trigger his pause, because you’ve asked that the buff never tries to trigger, so the game has no idea that a buff tried to trigger at all - so it doesn’t know to pause his debuffs. What you asked for just destroyed the champion You cant trigger something that's already triggered, this would make sense if they were only immune sometimes, colossus is immune to bleed all the time, his immunity is triggered all the time it cannot be re-triggered, how can something try to trigger if it is impossible for that thing to trigger in the first place? “You cant trigger something that's already triggered”Nothing in this situation is trying to re trigger something that’s already triggered. I’m not sure what you mean. “how can something try to trigger if it is impossible for that thing to trigger in the first place?”Glad you asked. The way it works is Spidey dexes -> he attempts to gain a buff -> the game is flagging this as a buff -> Spidey is immune to buffs -> immune call out pops up When there’s a neutralise, the order is different Spidey dexes -> neutralise reduces the ability accuracy of the buff -> the buff doesn’t attempt to trigger -> the game never knows that Spidey is immune to a buff that didn’t try to trigger The issue here is with your wording “if it is impossible for that thing to trigger in the first place?” The thing is - it’s not impossible for a buff to try to trigger on Spidey. It’s impossible for a buff to be active on Spidey. The buff has to try to trigger for Spidey to be immune. Imagine this. You’re playing as Nick Fury and you have a 100% concussion on you. If you hit colossus with a medium attack and try and place a bleed, do you think there would still be an immune call out? Do you think colossus would be immune to a bleed that never triggered? I mean that if they are immune they always have that immunity their immunity is triggered all the time.Why does it automatically default to trying to trigger a buff? Why not just make an entirely different effect for it and or just remove the mastery entirely.Colossus would still be immune to bleed even if the effect wasnt triggered? he has metal skin.
Regardless of why it happens it shouldn't happen.Players, quite rightly, don't execpt to get punished for not getting a buff they were never going to get, therefore the system shouldn't punish them. The implementation of the system should follow that as anything else seems "rules lawyer" which is not a great design principal. Nobody reads the small print.
Buff immunes still get their buffs neutralized because AAR is checked before immunity is. Isn't a bug, it is a feature. Use someone immune to AAR, like AA, or has increased AA, like Longshot, to beat up wiccans. Alternatively you can use Quicksilver if there isn't a node placing buffs on you because he replaces dexterity so there is no dex buff period with him. I do know how to counter Wiccan and I do have QS I just had no choice there cause it was either Cassie or Jessica, my draft wasn't the best. I just think it's a bit dumb that you get the incinerates on you when you can't even trigger the thing that places those incinerates on you in the first place. You won't trigger incinerate with QS because he doesn't have a Dex buff to trigger at all. But buff immune champs have the ability to trigger it. It just gets prevented by immunity. Wiccan gets in before the trigger happens and reduces the ability accuracy to trigger it and causes the incinerate. I literally just said I know about QS, I just didn't draft him cause bad luck lol. That still doesn't make sense though, nothing is triggering, there's nothing to prevent from triggering there cause she's already preventing the buffs from triggering in the first place. I didn't mention quicksilver as a counter. But to show how the mechanism works.There is something to trigger and prevent. Even if you take neutralize out of the conversation, Cassie tries to trigger a precision buff and her immunity prevents it . That's how immunities work.If you try to apply a bleed on Colossus, the bleed tries to trigger and his immunity prevents it. So there is something to trigger and something to prevent. she's already preventing the buffs from triggering in the first place Aar taking priority over an immunity in this particular situation is dumb, that's the whole point I'm trying to make here, especially for a champ whose main purpose is to counter fights like this one. I get what you're saying, sure it's preventing the buff before her immunity does but that's just dumb. It’s not dumb at all. An immunity never occurs if the effect they’re immune to was never placed on the champion at all. That's not the dumb part, the dumb part is that aar takes priority over her immunity. What's your take on the nick fury -100% aar and Colossus situation? Did the bleed not apply because Colossus was immune or because Nick was unable to in the first place? ?
Buff immunes still get their buffs neutralized because AAR is checked before immunity is. Isn't a bug, it is a feature. Use someone immune to AAR, like AA, or has increased AA, like Longshot, to beat up wiccans. Alternatively you can use Quicksilver if there isn't a node placing buffs on you because he replaces dexterity so there is no dex buff period with him. I do know how to counter Wiccan and I do have QS I just had no choice there cause it was either Cassie or Jessica, my draft wasn't the best. I just think it's a bit dumb that you get the incinerates on you when you can't even trigger the thing that places those incinerates on you in the first place. You won't trigger incinerate with QS because he doesn't have a Dex buff to trigger at all. But buff immune champs have the ability to trigger it. It just gets prevented by immunity. Wiccan gets in before the trigger happens and reduces the ability accuracy to trigger it and causes the incinerate. I literally just said I know about QS, I just didn't draft him cause bad luck lol. That still doesn't make sense though, nothing is triggering, there's nothing to prevent from triggering there cause she's already preventing the buffs from triggering in the first place. I didn't mention quicksilver as a counter. But to show how the mechanism works.There is something to trigger and prevent. Even if you take neutralize out of the conversation, Cassie tries to trigger a precision buff and her immunity prevents it . That's how immunities work.If you try to apply a bleed on Colossus, the bleed tries to trigger and his immunity prevents it. So there is something to trigger and something to prevent. she's already preventing the buffs from triggering in the first place Aar taking priority over an immunity in this particular situation is dumb, that's the whole point I'm trying to make here, especially for a champ whose main purpose is to counter fights like this one. I get what you're saying, sure it's preventing the buff before her immunity does but that's just dumb. It’s not dumb at all. An immunity never occurs if the effect they’re immune to was never placed on the champion at all. That's not the dumb part, the dumb part is that aar takes priority over her immunity. What's your take on the nick fury -100% aar and Colossus situation? Did the bleed not apply because Colossus was immune or because Nick was unable to in the first place?
Buff immunes still get their buffs neutralized because AAR is checked before immunity is. Isn't a bug, it is a feature. Use someone immune to AAR, like AA, or has increased AA, like Longshot, to beat up wiccans. Alternatively you can use Quicksilver if there isn't a node placing buffs on you because he replaces dexterity so there is no dex buff period with him. I do know how to counter Wiccan and I do have QS I just had no choice there cause it was either Cassie or Jessica, my draft wasn't the best. I just think it's a bit dumb that you get the incinerates on you when you can't even trigger the thing that places those incinerates on you in the first place. You won't trigger incinerate with QS because he doesn't have a Dex buff to trigger at all. But buff immune champs have the ability to trigger it. It just gets prevented by immunity. Wiccan gets in before the trigger happens and reduces the ability accuracy to trigger it and causes the incinerate. I literally just said I know about QS, I just didn't draft him cause bad luck lol. That still doesn't make sense though, nothing is triggering, there's nothing to prevent from triggering there cause she's already preventing the buffs from triggering in the first place. I didn't mention quicksilver as a counter. But to show how the mechanism works.There is something to trigger and prevent. Even if you take neutralize out of the conversation, Cassie tries to trigger a precision buff and her immunity prevents it . That's how immunities work.If you try to apply a bleed on Colossus, the bleed tries to trigger and his immunity prevents it. So there is something to trigger and something to prevent. she's already preventing the buffs from triggering in the first place Aar taking priority over an immunity in this particular situation is dumb, that's the whole point I'm trying to make here, especially for a champ whose main purpose is to counter fights like this one. I get what you're saying, sure it's preventing the buff before her immunity does but that's just dumb. It’s not dumb at all. An immunity never occurs if the effect they’re immune to was never placed on the champion at all. That's not the dumb part, the dumb part is that aar takes priority over her immunity.
Buff immunes still get their buffs neutralized because AAR is checked before immunity is. Isn't a bug, it is a feature. Use someone immune to AAR, like AA, or has increased AA, like Longshot, to beat up wiccans. Alternatively you can use Quicksilver if there isn't a node placing buffs on you because he replaces dexterity so there is no dex buff period with him. I do know how to counter Wiccan and I do have QS I just had no choice there cause it was either Cassie or Jessica, my draft wasn't the best. I just think it's a bit dumb that you get the incinerates on you when you can't even trigger the thing that places those incinerates on you in the first place. You won't trigger incinerate with QS because he doesn't have a Dex buff to trigger at all. But buff immune champs have the ability to trigger it. It just gets prevented by immunity. Wiccan gets in before the trigger happens and reduces the ability accuracy to trigger it and causes the incinerate. I literally just said I know about QS, I just didn't draft him cause bad luck lol. That still doesn't make sense though, nothing is triggering, there's nothing to prevent from triggering there cause she's already preventing the buffs from triggering in the first place. I didn't mention quicksilver as a counter. But to show how the mechanism works.There is something to trigger and prevent. Even if you take neutralize out of the conversation, Cassie tries to trigger a precision buff and her immunity prevents it . That's how immunities work.If you try to apply a bleed on Colossus, the bleed tries to trigger and his immunity prevents it. So there is something to trigger and something to prevent. she's already preventing the buffs from triggering in the first place Aar taking priority over an immunity in this particular situation is dumb, that's the whole point I'm trying to make here, especially for a champ whose main purpose is to counter fights like this one. I get what you're saying, sure it's preventing the buff before her immunity does but that's just dumb. It’s not dumb at all. An immunity never occurs if the effect they’re immune to was never placed on the champion at all.
Buff immunes still get their buffs neutralized because AAR is checked before immunity is. Isn't a bug, it is a feature. Use someone immune to AAR, like AA, or has increased AA, like Longshot, to beat up wiccans. Alternatively you can use Quicksilver if there isn't a node placing buffs on you because he replaces dexterity so there is no dex buff period with him. I do know how to counter Wiccan and I do have QS I just had no choice there cause it was either Cassie or Jessica, my draft wasn't the best. I just think it's a bit dumb that you get the incinerates on you when you can't even trigger the thing that places those incinerates on you in the first place. You won't trigger incinerate with QS because he doesn't have a Dex buff to trigger at all. But buff immune champs have the ability to trigger it. It just gets prevented by immunity. Wiccan gets in before the trigger happens and reduces the ability accuracy to trigger it and causes the incinerate. I literally just said I know about QS, I just didn't draft him cause bad luck lol. That still doesn't make sense though, nothing is triggering, there's nothing to prevent from triggering there cause she's already preventing the buffs from triggering in the first place. I didn't mention quicksilver as a counter. But to show how the mechanism works.There is something to trigger and prevent. Even if you take neutralize out of the conversation, Cassie tries to trigger a precision buff and her immunity prevents it . That's how immunities work.If you try to apply a bleed on Colossus, the bleed tries to trigger and his immunity prevents it. So there is something to trigger and something to prevent. she's already preventing the buffs from triggering in the first place Aar taking priority over an immunity in this particular situation is dumb, that's the whole point I'm trying to make here, especially for a champ whose main purpose is to counter fights like this one. I get what you're saying, sure it's preventing the buff before her immunity does but that's just dumb.
Buff immunes still get their buffs neutralized because AAR is checked before immunity is. Isn't a bug, it is a feature. Use someone immune to AAR, like AA, or has increased AA, like Longshot, to beat up wiccans. Alternatively you can use Quicksilver if there isn't a node placing buffs on you because he replaces dexterity so there is no dex buff period with him. I do know how to counter Wiccan and I do have QS I just had no choice there cause it was either Cassie or Jessica, my draft wasn't the best. I just think it's a bit dumb that you get the incinerates on you when you can't even trigger the thing that places those incinerates on you in the first place. You won't trigger incinerate with QS because he doesn't have a Dex buff to trigger at all. But buff immune champs have the ability to trigger it. It just gets prevented by immunity. Wiccan gets in before the trigger happens and reduces the ability accuracy to trigger it and causes the incinerate. I literally just said I know about QS, I just didn't draft him cause bad luck lol. That still doesn't make sense though, nothing is triggering, there's nothing to prevent from triggering there cause she's already preventing the buffs from triggering in the first place.
Buff immunes still get their buffs neutralized because AAR is checked before immunity is. Isn't a bug, it is a feature. Use someone immune to AAR, like AA, or has increased AA, like Longshot, to beat up wiccans. Alternatively you can use Quicksilver if there isn't a node placing buffs on you because he replaces dexterity so there is no dex buff period with him. I do know how to counter Wiccan and I do have QS I just had no choice there cause it was either Cassie or Jessica, my draft wasn't the best. I just think it's a bit dumb that you get the incinerates on you when you can't even trigger the thing that places those incinerates on you in the first place. You won't trigger incinerate with QS because he doesn't have a Dex buff to trigger at all. But buff immune champs have the ability to trigger it. It just gets prevented by immunity. Wiccan gets in before the trigger happens and reduces the ability accuracy to trigger it and causes the incinerate.
Buff immunes still get their buffs neutralized because AAR is checked before immunity is. Isn't a bug, it is a feature. Use someone immune to AAR, like AA, or has increased AA, like Longshot, to beat up wiccans. Alternatively you can use Quicksilver if there isn't a node placing buffs on you because he replaces dexterity so there is no dex buff period with him. I do know how to counter Wiccan and I do have QS I just had no choice there cause it was either Cassie or Jessica, my draft wasn't the best. I just think it's a bit dumb that you get the incinerates on you when you can't even trigger the thing that places those incinerates on you in the first place.
Buff immunes still get their buffs neutralized because AAR is checked before immunity is. Isn't a bug, it is a feature. Use someone immune to AAR, like AA, or has increased AA, like Longshot, to beat up wiccans. Alternatively you can use Quicksilver if there isn't a node placing buffs on you because he replaces dexterity so there is no dex buff period with him.
she's already preventing the buffs from triggering in the first place
Buff immunes still get their buffs neutralized because AAR is checked before immunity is. Isn't a bug, it is a feature. Use someone immune to AAR, like AA, or has increased AA, like Longshot, to beat up wiccans. Alternatively you can use Quicksilver if there isn't a node placing buffs on you because he replaces dexterity so there is no dex buff period with him. I do know how to counter Wiccan and I do have QS I just had no choice there cause it was either Cassie or Jessica, my draft wasn't the best. I just think it's a bit dumb that you get the incinerates on you when you can't even trigger the thing that places those incinerates on you in the first place. You won't trigger incinerate with QS because he doesn't have a Dex buff to trigger at all. But buff immune champs have the ability to trigger it. It just gets prevented by immunity. Wiccan gets in before the trigger happens and reduces the ability accuracy to trigger it and causes the incinerate. I literally just said I know about QS, I just didn't draft him cause bad luck lol. That still doesn't make sense though, nothing is triggering, there's nothing to prevent from triggering there cause she's already preventing the buffs from triggering in the first place. I didn't mention quicksilver as a counter. But to show how the mechanism works.There is something to trigger and prevent. Even if you take neutralize out of the conversation, Cassie tries to trigger a precision buff and her immunity prevents it . That's how immunities work.If you try to apply a bleed on Colossus, the bleed tries to trigger and his immunity prevents it. So there is something to trigger and something to prevent. she's already preventing the buffs from triggering in the first place Aar taking priority over an immunity in this particular situation is dumb, that's the whole point I'm trying to make here, especially for a champ whose main purpose is to counter fights like this one. I get what you're saying, sure it's preventing the buff before her immunity does but that's just dumb. It’s not dumb at all. An immunity never occurs if the effect they’re immune to was never placed on the champion at all. That's not the dumb part, the dumb part is that aar takes priority over her immunity. What's your take on the nick fury -100% aar and Colossus situation? Did the bleed not apply because Colossus was immune or because Nick was unable to in the first place? ? Why do you keep asking me that when it's pretty obvious I understand what you're saying I just think it's dumb regardless? Lol I'm just gonna copy and paste what someone else said above so I don't have to type another paragraph for like the fifth time:"You can't gain a buff but the neutralize reduces your ability to trigger the buff you can't gain so you have a 100% chance to trigger the buff but a 0% chance to gain the buff and reducing the chance to trigger the buff causes bad things to happen to you even if you never gain the buff because it's a 0% chance for that to happen"
Buff immunes still get their buffs neutralized because AAR is checked before immunity is. Isn't a bug, it is a feature. Use someone immune to AAR, like AA, or has increased AA, like Longshot, to beat up wiccans. Alternatively you can use Quicksilver if there isn't a node placing buffs on you because he replaces dexterity so there is no dex buff period with him. I do know how to counter Wiccan and I do have QS I just had no choice there cause it was either Cassie or Jessica, my draft wasn't the best. I just think it's a bit dumb that you get the incinerates on you when you can't even trigger the thing that places those incinerates on you in the first place. You won't trigger incinerate with QS because he doesn't have a Dex buff to trigger at all. But buff immune champs have the ability to trigger it. It just gets prevented by immunity. Wiccan gets in before the trigger happens and reduces the ability accuracy to trigger it and causes the incinerate. I literally just said I know about QS, I just didn't draft him cause bad luck lol. That still doesn't make sense though, nothing is triggering, there's nothing to prevent from triggering there cause she's already preventing the buffs from triggering in the first place. I didn't mention quicksilver as a counter. But to show how the mechanism works.There is something to trigger and prevent. Even if you take neutralize out of the conversation, Cassie tries to trigger a precision buff and her immunity prevents it . That's how immunities work.If you try to apply a bleed on Colossus, the bleed tries to trigger and his immunity prevents it. So there is something to trigger and something to prevent. she's already preventing the buffs from triggering in the first place Aar taking priority over an immunity in this particular situation is dumb, that's the whole point I'm trying to make here, especially for a champ whose main purpose is to counter fights like this one. I get what you're saying, sure it's preventing the buff before her immunity does but that's just dumb. It’s not dumb at all. An immunity never occurs if the effect they’re immune to was never placed on the champion at all. That's not the dumb part, the dumb part is that aar takes priority over her immunity. What's your take on the nick fury -100% aar and Colossus situation? Did the bleed not apply because Colossus was immune or because Nick was unable to in the first place? ? Why do you keep asking me that when it's pretty obvious I understand what you're saying I just think it's dumb regardless? Lol I'm just gonna copy and paste what someone else said above so I don't have to type another paragraph for like the fifth time:"You can't gain a buff but the neutralize reduces your ability to trigger the buff you can't gain so you have a 100% chance to trigger the buff but a 0% chance to gain the buff and reducing the chance to trigger the buff causes bad things to happen to you even if you never gain the buff because it's a 0% chance for that to happen" Because you never replied to it directly. But nevermind that.So if you think the game should work ome way in one situation and another way in the same exact situation depending on what you want, then you want the game to be inconsistent. If you ask me, that's the dumb thing
Buff immunes still get their buffs neutralized because AAR is checked before immunity is. Isn't a bug, it is a feature. Use someone immune to AAR, like AA, or has increased AA, like Longshot, to beat up wiccans. Alternatively you can use Quicksilver if there isn't a node placing buffs on you because he replaces dexterity so there is no dex buff period with him. I do know how to counter Wiccan and I do have QS I just had no choice there cause it was either Cassie or Jessica, my draft wasn't the best. I just think it's a bit dumb that you get the incinerates on you when you can't even trigger the thing that places those incinerates on you in the first place. You won't trigger incinerate with QS because he doesn't have a Dex buff to trigger at all. But buff immune champs have the ability to trigger it. It just gets prevented by immunity. Wiccan gets in before the trigger happens and reduces the ability accuracy to trigger it and causes the incinerate. I literally just said I know about QS, I just didn't draft him cause bad luck lol. That still doesn't make sense though, nothing is triggering, there's nothing to prevent from triggering there cause she's already preventing the buffs from triggering in the first place. I didn't mention quicksilver as a counter. But to show how the mechanism works.There is something to trigger and prevent. Even if you take neutralize out of the conversation, Cassie tries to trigger a precision buff and her immunity prevents it . That's how immunities work.If you try to apply a bleed on Colossus, the bleed tries to trigger and his immunity prevents it. So there is something to trigger and something to prevent. she's already preventing the buffs from triggering in the first place Aar taking priority over an immunity in this particular situation is dumb, that's the whole point I'm trying to make here, especially for a champ whose main purpose is to counter fights like this one. I get what you're saying, sure it's preventing the buff before her immunity does but that's just dumb. It’s not dumb at all. An immunity never occurs if the effect they’re immune to was never placed on the champion at all. That's not the dumb part, the dumb part is that aar takes priority over her immunity. What's your take on the nick fury -100% aar and Colossus situation? Did the bleed not apply because Colossus was immune or because Nick was unable to in the first place? ? Why do you keep asking me that when it's pretty obvious I understand what you're saying I just think it's dumb regardless? Lol I'm just gonna copy and paste what someone else said above so I don't have to type another paragraph for like the fifth time:"You can't gain a buff but the neutralize reduces your ability to trigger the buff you can't gain so you have a 100% chance to trigger the buff but a 0% chance to gain the buff and reducing the chance to trigger the buff causes bad things to happen to you even if you never gain the buff because it's a 0% chance for that to happen" Because you never replied to it directly. But nevermind that.So if you think the game should work ome way in one situation and another way in the same exact situation depending on what you want, then you want the game to be inconsistent. If you ask me, that's the dumb thing The difference is one situation isn't punishing you, the other one is, big brain. If you're gonna make a comparison at least make a valid one lol
Buff immunes still get their buffs neutralized because AAR is checked before immunity is. Isn't a bug, it is a feature. Use someone immune to AAR, like AA, or has increased AA, like Longshot, to beat up wiccans. Alternatively you can use Quicksilver if there isn't a node placing buffs on you because he replaces dexterity so there is no dex buff period with him. I do know how to counter Wiccan and I do have QS I just had no choice there cause it was either Cassie or Jessica, my draft wasn't the best. I just think it's a bit dumb that you get the incinerates on you when you can't even trigger the thing that places those incinerates on you in the first place. You won't trigger incinerate with QS because he doesn't have a Dex buff to trigger at all. But buff immune champs have the ability to trigger it. It just gets prevented by immunity. Wiccan gets in before the trigger happens and reduces the ability accuracy to trigger it and causes the incinerate. I literally just said I know about QS, I just didn't draft him cause bad luck lol. That still doesn't make sense though, nothing is triggering, there's nothing to prevent from triggering there cause she's already preventing the buffs from triggering in the first place. I didn't mention quicksilver as a counter. But to show how the mechanism works.There is something to trigger and prevent. Even if you take neutralize out of the conversation, Cassie tries to trigger a precision buff and her immunity prevents it . That's how immunities work.If you try to apply a bleed on Colossus, the bleed tries to trigger and his immunity prevents it. So there is something to trigger and something to prevent. she's already preventing the buffs from triggering in the first place Aar taking priority over an immunity in this particular situation is dumb, that's the whole point I'm trying to make here, especially for a champ whose main purpose is to counter fights like this one. I get what you're saying, sure it's preventing the buff before her immunity does but that's just dumb. It’s not dumb at all. An immunity never occurs if the effect they’re immune to was never placed on the champion at all. That's not the dumb part, the dumb part is that aar takes priority over her immunity. What's your take on the nick fury -100% aar and Colossus situation? Did the bleed not apply because Colossus was immune or because Nick was unable to in the first place? ? Why do you keep asking me that when it's pretty obvious I understand what you're saying I just think it's dumb regardless? Lol I'm just gonna copy and paste what someone else said above so I don't have to type another paragraph for like the fifth time:"You can't gain a buff but the neutralize reduces your ability to trigger the buff you can't gain so you have a 100% chance to trigger the buff but a 0% chance to gain the buff and reducing the chance to trigger the buff causes bad things to happen to you even if you never gain the buff because it's a 0% chance for that to happen" Because you never replied to it directly. But nevermind that.So if you think the game should work ome way in one situation and another way in the same exact situation depending on what you want, then you want the game to be inconsistent. If you ask me, that's the dumb thing The difference is one situation isn't punishing you, the other one is, big brain. If you're gonna make a comparison at least make a valid one lol "Punishing you " is not a difference the game cares about. Why? Because it can easily be swapped to make it so that the interaction punishes the defender. Cassie Lang on a node that gives defender buffs? Wiccan can make those incinerates.In both situation a champion tries to trigger something which even if they had succeeded in doing , an immunity would have prevented.Unless Cassie can actually trigger the precision, how can the game know that's she's immune to it? So the claim that " there was nothing to trigger " is demonstrably false
Buff immunes still get their buffs neutralized because AAR is checked before immunity is. Isn't a bug, it is a feature. Use someone immune to AAR, like AA, or has increased AA, like Longshot, to beat up wiccans. Alternatively you can use Quicksilver if there isn't a node placing buffs on you because he replaces dexterity so there is no dex buff period with him. I do know how to counter Wiccan and I do have QS I just had no choice there cause it was either Cassie or Jessica, my draft wasn't the best. I just think it's a bit dumb that you get the incinerates on you when you can't even trigger the thing that places those incinerates on you in the first place. You won't trigger incinerate with QS because he doesn't have a Dex buff to trigger at all. But buff immune champs have the ability to trigger it. It just gets prevented by immunity. Wiccan gets in before the trigger happens and reduces the ability accuracy to trigger it and causes the incinerate. I literally just said I know about QS, I just didn't draft him cause bad luck lol. That still doesn't make sense though, nothing is triggering, there's nothing to prevent from triggering there cause she's already preventing the buffs from triggering in the first place. I didn't mention quicksilver as a counter. But to show how the mechanism works.There is something to trigger and prevent. Even if you take neutralize out of the conversation, Cassie tries to trigger a precision buff and her immunity prevents it . That's how immunities work.If you try to apply a bleed on Colossus, the bleed tries to trigger and his immunity prevents it. So there is something to trigger and something to prevent. she's already preventing the buffs from triggering in the first place Aar taking priority over an immunity in this particular situation is dumb, that's the whole point I'm trying to make here, especially for a champ whose main purpose is to counter fights like this one. I get what you're saying, sure it's preventing the buff before her immunity does but that's just dumb. It’s not dumb at all. An immunity never occurs if the effect they’re immune to was never placed on the champion at all. That's not the dumb part, the dumb part is that aar takes priority over her immunity. What's your take on the nick fury -100% aar and Colossus situation? Did the bleed not apply because Colossus was immune or because Nick was unable to in the first place? ? Why do you keep asking me that when it's pretty obvious I understand what you're saying I just think it's dumb regardless? Lol I'm just gonna copy and paste what someone else said above so I don't have to type another paragraph for like the fifth time:"You can't gain a buff but the neutralize reduces your ability to trigger the buff you can't gain so you have a 100% chance to trigger the buff but a 0% chance to gain the buff and reducing the chance to trigger the buff causes bad things to happen to you even if you never gain the buff because it's a 0% chance for that to happen" Because you never replied to it directly. But nevermind that.So if you think the game should work ome way in one situation and another way in the same exact situation depending on what you want, then you want the game to be inconsistent. If you ask me, that's the dumb thing The difference is one situation isn't punishing you, the other one is, big brain. If you're gonna make a comparison at least make a valid one lol "Punishing you " is not a difference the game cares about. Why? Because it can easily be swapped to make it so that the interaction punishes the defender. Cassie Lang on a node that gives defender buffs? Wiccan can make those incinerates.In both situation a champion tries to trigger something which even if they had succeeded in doing , an immunity would have prevented.Unless Cassie can actually trigger the precision, how can the game know that's she's immune to it? So the claim that " there was nothing to trigger " is demonstrably false Why wouldnt the game know? The game might not know but that dosent mean the game cant know.It's trying to trigger a buff on cassie when it should trying to trigger a buff on her immunity, the effect should fall short never reaching cassie in the first place.
Buff immunes still get their buffs neutralized because AAR is checked before immunity is. Isn't a bug, it is a feature. Use someone immune to AAR, like AA, or has increased AA, like Longshot, to beat up wiccans. Alternatively you can use Quicksilver if there isn't a node placing buffs on you because he replaces dexterity so there is no dex buff period with him. I do know how to counter Wiccan and I do have QS I just had no choice there cause it was either Cassie or Jessica, my draft wasn't the best. I just think it's a bit dumb that you get the incinerates on you when you can't even trigger the thing that places those incinerates on you in the first place. You won't trigger incinerate with QS because he doesn't have a Dex buff to trigger at all. But buff immune champs have the ability to trigger it. It just gets prevented by immunity. Wiccan gets in before the trigger happens and reduces the ability accuracy to trigger it and causes the incinerate. I literally just said I know about QS, I just didn't draft him cause bad luck lol. That still doesn't make sense though, nothing is triggering, there's nothing to prevent from triggering there cause she's already preventing the buffs from triggering in the first place. I didn't mention quicksilver as a counter. But to show how the mechanism works.There is something to trigger and prevent. Even if you take neutralize out of the conversation, Cassie tries to trigger a precision buff and her immunity prevents it . That's how immunities work.If you try to apply a bleed on Colossus, the bleed tries to trigger and his immunity prevents it. So there is something to trigger and something to prevent. she's already preventing the buffs from triggering in the first place Aar taking priority over an immunity in this particular situation is dumb, that's the whole point I'm trying to make here, especially for a champ whose main purpose is to counter fights like this one. I get what you're saying, sure it's preventing the buff before her immunity does but that's just dumb. It’s not dumb at all. An immunity never occurs if the effect they’re immune to was never placed on the champion at all. That's not the dumb part, the dumb part is that aar takes priority over her immunity. What's your take on the nick fury -100% aar and Colossus situation? Did the bleed not apply because Colossus was immune or because Nick was unable to in the first place? ? Why do you keep asking me that when it's pretty obvious I understand what you're saying I just think it's dumb regardless? Lol I'm just gonna copy and paste what someone else said above so I don't have to type another paragraph for like the fifth time:"You can't gain a buff but the neutralize reduces your ability to trigger the buff you can't gain so you have a 100% chance to trigger the buff but a 0% chance to gain the buff and reducing the chance to trigger the buff causes bad things to happen to you even if you never gain the buff because it's a 0% chance for that to happen" Because you never replied to it directly. But nevermind that.So if you think the game should work ome way in one situation and another way in the same exact situation depending on what you want, then you want the game to be inconsistent. If you ask me, that's the dumb thing The difference is one situation isn't punishing you, the other one is, big brain. If you're gonna make a comparison at least make a valid one lol "Punishing you " is not a difference the game cares about. Why? Because it can easily be swapped to make it so that the interaction punishes the defender. Cassie Lang on a node that gives defender buffs? Wiccan can make those incinerates.In both situation a champion tries to trigger something which even if they had succeeded in doing , an immunity would have prevented.Unless Cassie can actually trigger the precision, how can the game know that's she's immune to it? So the claim that " there was nothing to trigger " is demonstrably false Correct, it is however a difference I care about since you're over here trying to prove a point with it. What do you mean how can the game know? Did you know there's humans who code the game? Or did you think the game just appeared out of thin air? There is in fact nothing to trigger, game's simply not coded that way.
Buff immunes still get their buffs neutralized because AAR is checked before immunity is. Isn't a bug, it is a feature. Use someone immune to AAR, like AA, or has increased AA, like Longshot, to beat up wiccans. Alternatively you can use Quicksilver if there isn't a node placing buffs on you because he replaces dexterity so there is no dex buff period with him. I do know how to counter Wiccan and I do have QS I just had no choice there cause it was either Cassie or Jessica, my draft wasn't the best. I just think it's a bit dumb that you get the incinerates on you when you can't even trigger the thing that places those incinerates on you in the first place. You won't trigger incinerate with QS because he doesn't have a Dex buff to trigger at all. But buff immune champs have the ability to trigger it. It just gets prevented by immunity. Wiccan gets in before the trigger happens and reduces the ability accuracy to trigger it and causes the incinerate. I literally just said I know about QS, I just didn't draft him cause bad luck lol. That still doesn't make sense though, nothing is triggering, there's nothing to prevent from triggering there cause she's already preventing the buffs from triggering in the first place. I didn't mention quicksilver as a counter. But to show how the mechanism works.There is something to trigger and prevent. Even if you take neutralize out of the conversation, Cassie tries to trigger a precision buff and her immunity prevents it . That's how immunities work.If you try to apply a bleed on Colossus, the bleed tries to trigger and his immunity prevents it. So there is something to trigger and something to prevent. she's already preventing the buffs from triggering in the first place Here's the issue. She doesn't prevent the buff from triggering. It tries to trigger and her immunity stops it before it is placed on her. Aar stops the trigger itself from trying to trigger.Think of this situation. A Nick fury with 100% aar does a medium attack on a Colossus. No bleed is applied. Is it because Colossus is bleed immune or because Nick didn't have any ability accuracy to place bleed in the first place?
Buff immunes still get their buffs neutralized because AAR is checked before immunity is. Isn't a bug, it is a feature. Use someone immune to AAR, like AA, or has increased AA, like Longshot, to beat up wiccans. Alternatively you can use Quicksilver if there isn't a node placing buffs on you because he replaces dexterity so there is no dex buff period with him. I do know how to counter Wiccan and I do have QS I just had no choice there cause it was either Cassie or Jessica, my draft wasn't the best. I just think it's a bit dumb that you get the incinerates on you when you can't even trigger the thing that places those incinerates on you in the first place. You won't trigger incinerate with QS because he doesn't have a Dex buff to trigger at all. But buff immune champs have the ability to trigger it. It just gets prevented by immunity. Wiccan gets in before the trigger happens and reduces the ability accuracy to trigger it and causes the incinerate. I literally just said I know about QS, I just didn't draft him cause bad luck lol. That still doesn't make sense though, nothing is triggering, there's nothing to prevent from triggering there cause she's already preventing the buffs from triggering in the first place. I didn't mention quicksilver as a counter. But to show how the mechanism works.There is something to trigger and prevent. Even if you take neutralize out of the conversation, Cassie tries to trigger a precision buff and her immunity prevents it . That's how immunities work.If you try to apply a bleed on Colossus, the bleed tries to trigger and his immunity prevents it. So there is something to trigger and something to prevent. she's already preventing the buffs from triggering in the first place Here's the issue. She doesn't prevent the buff from triggering. It tries to trigger and her immunity stops it before it is placed on her. Aar stops the trigger itself from trying to trigger.Think of this situation. A Nick fury with 100% aar does a medium attack on a Colossus. No bleed is applied. Is it because Colossus is bleed immune or because Nick didn't have any ability accuracy to place bleed in the first place? If this is true. is it true that my hulk could get a poison buff if he fights against someone that lowers his AA? Because I have never seen that happen.
Buff immunes still get their buffs neutralized because AAR is checked before immunity is. Isn't a bug, it is a feature. Use someone immune to AAR, like AA, or has increased AA, like Longshot, to beat up wiccans. Alternatively you can use Quicksilver if there isn't a node placing buffs on you because he replaces dexterity so there is no dex buff period with him. I do know how to counter Wiccan and I do have QS I just had no choice there cause it was either Cassie or Jessica, my draft wasn't the best. I just think it's a bit dumb that you get the incinerates on you when you can't even trigger the thing that places those incinerates on you in the first place. You won't trigger incinerate with QS because he doesn't have a Dex buff to trigger at all. But buff immune champs have the ability to trigger it. It just gets prevented by immunity. Wiccan gets in before the trigger happens and reduces the ability accuracy to trigger it and causes the incinerate. I literally just said I know about QS, I just didn't draft him cause bad luck lol. That still doesn't make sense though, nothing is triggering, there's nothing to prevent from triggering there cause she's already preventing the buffs from triggering in the first place. I didn't mention quicksilver as a counter. But to show how the mechanism works.There is something to trigger and prevent. Even if you take neutralize out of the conversation, Cassie tries to trigger a precision buff and her immunity prevents it . That's how immunities work.If you try to apply a bleed on Colossus, the bleed tries to trigger and his immunity prevents it. So there is something to trigger and something to prevent. she's already preventing the buffs from triggering in the first place Aar taking priority over an immunity in this particular situation is dumb, that's the whole point I'm trying to make here, especially for a champ whose main purpose is to counter fights like this one. I get what you're saying, sure it's preventing the buff before her immunity does but that's just dumb. It’s not dumb at all. An immunity never occurs if the effect they’re immune to was never placed on the champion at all. That's not the dumb part, the dumb part is that aar takes priority over her immunity. What's your take on the nick fury -100% aar and Colossus situation? Did the bleed not apply because Colossus was immune or because Nick was unable to in the first place? ? Why do you keep asking me that when it's pretty obvious I understand what you're saying I just think it's dumb regardless? Lol I'm just gonna copy and paste what someone else said above so I don't have to type another paragraph for like the fifth time:"You can't gain a buff but the neutralize reduces your ability to trigger the buff you can't gain so you have a 100% chance to trigger the buff but a 0% chance to gain the buff and reducing the chance to trigger the buff causes bad things to happen to you even if you never gain the buff because it's a 0% chance for that to happen" Because you never replied to it directly. But nevermind that.So if you think the game should work ome way in one situation and another way in the same exact situation depending on what you want, then you want the game to be inconsistent. If you ask me, that's the dumb thing The difference is one situation isn't punishing you, the other one is, big brain. If you're gonna make a comparison at least make a valid one lol "Punishing you " is not a difference the game cares about. Why? Because it can easily be swapped to make it so that the interaction punishes the defender. Cassie Lang on a node that gives defender buffs? Wiccan can make those incinerates.In both situation a champion tries to trigger something which even if they had succeeded in doing , an immunity would have prevented.Unless Cassie can actually trigger the precision, how can the game know that's she's immune to it? So the claim that " there was nothing to trigger " is demonstrably false Why wouldnt the game know? The game might not know but that dosent mean the game cant know.It's trying to trigger a buff on cassie when it should trying to trigger a buff on her immunity, the effect should fall short never reaching cassie in the first place. That is not how coding works. The computer doesn't know anything. You have to give it something it can use first, so when an effect a champion is immune to has a state of true, then the immunity is called