Game economy (stores) needs to be updated yesterday, not with game mode updates

ISO17

The bridge between people who spent $1,000+ this weekend and those that did not us far, FAR too big to not have immediate updates to the stores. Everything is absolutely outdated, from loyalty store, Glory store not having ANY T6CC, and overpriced R4 mats, EQ rewards being extremely underwhelming, etc. especially with the push and focus for BG’s, we need immediate updates to the game economy to help even the playing field.

captaincush

they just said in the stream that this was top priority, so expect to see more information soon

Buttehrs

captaincush said:

they just said in the stream that this was top priority, so expect to see more information soon

The part that gets me is, you'd think they would know this fallout before the deals even occur. So why not be proactive instead of reactive and tell us before the deals even happen that ftp or low spenders etc can expect updates to economy to "catch up" in X amount of time.

[Deleted User]

Buttehrs said:

captaincush said:

they just said in the stream that this was top priority, so expect to see more information soon

The part that gets me is, you'd think they would know this fallout before the deals even occur. So why not be proactive instead of reactive and tell us before the deals even happen that ftp or low spenders etc can expect updates to economy to "catch up" in X amount of time.

I imagine they expect us to catch up next month, since that's when the "best ftp event in history" is supposed to be taking place.

Eb0ny-O-M4w

AngelMcNugget said:

Buttehrs said:

captaincush said:

they just said in the stream that this was top priority, so expect to see more information soon

The part that gets me is, you'd think they would know this fallout before the deals even occur. So why not be proactive instead of reactive and tell us before the deals even happen that ftp or low spenders etc can expect updates to economy to "catch up" in X amount of time.

I imagine they expect us to catch up next month, since that's when the "best ftp event in history" is supposed to be taking place.

But that will just at the very least keep the gap the same, since we can assume even spenders will get the rewards

[Deleted User]

Eb0ny-O-M4w said:

AngelMcNugget said:

Buttehrs said:

captaincush said:

they just said in the stream that this was top priority, so expect to see more information soon

The part that gets me is, you'd think they would know this fallout before the deals even occur. So why not be proactive instead of reactive and tell us before the deals even happen that ftp or low spenders etc can expect updates to economy to "catch up" in X amount of time.

I imagine they expect us to catch up next month, since that's when the "best ftp event in history" is supposed to be taking place.

But that will just at the very least keep the gap the same, since we can assume even spenders will get the rewards

We could assume that, but Kabam knows for sure what kind of materials ftp players lack that ptw players have in abundance, as well as what content ptw players avoid that ftp players participate in. This is how Kabam has always lowered the gap in the past and I expect them to do a pretty decent job of doing it again.

Besides, the same is true for the glory store and literally any content that ftp players have access to. If anything, a month with rewards spread out across the game has a better chance at lowering the gap than a glory store update.

Demonzfyre

ISO17 said:

The bridge between people who spent $1,000+ this weekend and those that did not us far, FAR too big to not have immediate updates to the stores. Everything is absolutely outdated, from loyalty store, Glory store not having ANY T6CC, and overpriced R4 mats, EQ rewards being extremely underwhelming, etc. especially with the push and focus for BG’s, we need immediate updates to the game economy to help even the playing field.

Why do you think you should be able to keep pace with someone who spends $1000 and you don't?

Colinwhitworth69

Buttehrs said:

captaincush said:

they just said in the stream that this was top priority, so expect to see more information soon

The part that gets me is, you'd think they would know this fallout before the deals even occur. So why not be proactive instead of reactive and tell us before the deals even happen that ftp or low spenders etc can expect updates to economy to "catch up" in X amount of time.

The delay is on purpose, because why would people spend if they could wait to use in-game currency instead? The store updates will not cover the difference between you and whales anyway. Spenders are integral to the existence of the game, so there will always (repeat: always) be advantages to spending. Always.

Buttehrs

Colinwhitworth69 said:

Buttehrs said:

captaincush said:

they just said in the stream that this was top priority, so expect to see more information soon

The part that gets me is, you'd think they would know this fallout before the deals even occur. So why not be proactive instead of reactive and tell us before the deals even happen that ftp or low spenders etc can expect updates to economy to "catch up" in X amount of time.

The delay is on purpose, because why would people spend if they could wait to use in-game currency instead? The store updates will not cover the difference between you and whales anyway. Spenders are integral to the existence of the game, so there will always (repeat: always) be advantages to spending. Always.

I'm aware the delay is on purpose. What I was getting at was they can easily tell us ahead of time, if you don't spend any money, expect to be 2-3 months behind until you can start getting the same items etc.

ISO17

Demonzfyre said:

ISO17 said:

The bridge between people who spent $1,000+ this weekend and those that did not us far, FAR too big to not have immediate updates to the stores. Everything is absolutely outdated, from loyalty store, Glory store not having ANY T6CC, and overpriced R4 mats, EQ rewards being extremely underwhelming, etc. especially with the push and focus for BG’s, we need immediate updates to the game economy to help even the playing field.

Why do you think you should be able to keep pace with someone who spends $1000 and you don't?

It’s not keeping pace, I don’t expect to get R5 gems in EQ. But the goalpost cannot be set so far for too long or too many lower spenders or FTP players will be discouraged and quit. I’m saying this as someone who did in fact put a good amount into my roster this week, progress needs to be made immediately to BRIDGE the gap, not to equalize everything

ISO17

My main point I guess is content and game modes need to feel valuable. Even for myself that did benefit from the sales, it feels like the only way to have any meaningful progress is to swipe your card.

5th

Demonzfyre said:

ISO17 said:

The bridge between people who spent $1,000+ this weekend and those that did not us far, FAR too big to not have immediate updates to the stores. Everything is absolutely outdated, from loyalty store, Glory store not having ANY T6CC, and overpriced R4 mats, EQ rewards being extremely underwhelming, etc. especially with the push and focus for BG’s, we need immediate updates to the game economy to help even the playing field.

Why do you think you should be able to keep pace with someone who spends $1000 and you don't?

Why do you always make illogical comments!

Demonzfyre

ISO17 said:

Demonzfyre said:

ISO17 said:

The bridge between people who spent $1,000+ this weekend and those that did not us far, FAR too big to not have immediate updates to the stores. Everything is absolutely outdated, from loyalty store, Glory store not having ANY T6CC, and overpriced R4 mats, EQ rewards being extremely underwhelming, etc. especially with the push and focus for BG’s, we need immediate updates to the game economy to help even the playing field.

Why do you think you should be able to keep pace with someone who spends $1000 and you don't?

It’s not keeping pace, I don’t expect to get R5 gems in EQ. But the goalpost cannot be set so far for too long or too many lower spenders or FTP players will be discouraged and quit. I’m saying this as someone who did in fact put a good amount into my roster this week, progress needs to be made immediately to BRIDGE the gap, not to equalize everything

There's no goalpost other than to fictional one F2P make up. You're chasing your own account progression and not someone else's as F2P. You'll never bridge that gap as offers will never stop. Anyone with extra income in this game will always and forever be way further ahead than anyone who can't or won't spend money.

It's not to say that the stores don't need updated, because they do but not to "bridge the gap" between someone who dropped $1000 on July 4th and someone who hasn't spent a dime on this game.

Focus on your roster and stop trying to be a spender without being a spender.

Demonzfyre

5th said:

Demonzfyre said:

ISO17 said:

The bridge between people who spent $1,000+ this weekend and those that did not us far, FAR too big to not have immediate updates to the stores. Everything is absolutely outdated, from loyalty store, Glory store not having ANY T6CC, and overpriced R4 mats, EQ rewards being extremely underwhelming, etc. especially with the push and focus for BG’s, we need immediate updates to the game economy to help even the playing field.

Why do you think you should be able to keep pace with someone who spends $1000 and you don't?

Why do you always make illogical comments!

And which part of my comment was illogical?

ISO17

Demonzfyre said:

ISO17 said:

Demonzfyre said:

ISO17 said:

The bridge between people who spent $1,000+ this weekend and those that did not us far, FAR too big to not have immediate updates to the stores. Everything is absolutely outdated, from loyalty store, Glory store not having ANY T6CC, and overpriced R4 mats, EQ rewards being extremely underwhelming, etc. especially with the push and focus for BG’s, we need immediate updates to the game economy to help even the playing field.

Why do you think you should be able to keep pace with someone who spends $1000 and you don't?

It’s not keeping pace, I don’t expect to get R5 gems in EQ. But the goalpost cannot be set so far for too long or too many lower spenders or FTP players will be discouraged and quit. I’m saying this as someone who did in fact put a good amount into my roster this week, progress needs to be made immediately to BRIDGE the gap, not to equalize everything

There's no goalpost other than to fictional one F2P make up. You're chasing your own account progression and not someone else's as F2P. You'll never bridge that gap as offers will never stop. Anyone with extra income in this game will always and forever be way further ahead than anyone who can't or won't spend money.

It's not to say that the stores don't need updated, because they do but not to "bridge the gap" between someone who dropped $1000 on July 4th and someone who hasn't spent a dime on this game.

Focus on your roster and stop trying to be a spender without being a spender.

Go into a fight in BG’s and face 5+ R2’s and 12+ R5’s and tell me there isn’t a goalpost.

Try and join a plat2+ alliance having spent very little and see how far you will get.

There most definitely are very real goalposts. Not only for FTP but also for spenders. With the BG store update, I can get 1 T6CC a month in the BG store. So over 3 months I can get 1 new R5. So 2 new R5’s or 1 R2 by the time cyber weekend is here. But what’s the point if I can just buy the offers again and get 20+ R5’s in November?

Ayden_noah1

If FTP players are able to catch up the the whales in 2 months time, this would stop a lot of whales from spending. The game will die if th whales stop spending. July 4th, boxing day offers and gifting events help a lot since more players will spend during this times and not just the whales. I am FTP but I know that I will eventually get to where the whales are now but by that time they will taken another huge step ahead. You can't possible expect to ever catch up to them, you will always be around 6 months or more behind. The economy of the game dictates that the whales must be ahead so they can spend to keep the game alive. I know that I will never keep up so I play at my own pace, but for those FTP who wants to keep up, STOP, it's never going to happen and it shouldn't. Spenders get more benefits and perks so they would keep spending. Just like in life, the rich can buy what they want and go on vacation anytime they want. So what's the big deal. Money will help you in life and in this game. They say money is the root of all evil, I say jealous and entitlement is the root of all evil.

ahmynuts

5th said:

Demonzfyre said:

ISO17 said:

The bridge between people who spent $1,000+ this weekend and those that did not us far, FAR too big to not have immediate updates to the stores. Everything is absolutely outdated, from loyalty store, Glory store not having ANY T6CC, and overpriced R4 mats, EQ rewards being extremely underwhelming, etc. especially with the push and focus for BG’s, we need immediate updates to the game economy to help even the playing field.

Why do you think you should be able to keep pace with someone who spends $1000 and you don't?

Why do you always make illogical comments!

You have got to be joking. No way you think what he just said is illogical

Siliyo

ahmynuts said:

5th said:

Demonzfyre said:

ISO17 said:

The bridge between people who spent $1,000+ this weekend and those that did not us far, FAR too big to not have immediate updates to the stores. Everything is absolutely outdated, from loyalty store, Glory store not having ANY T6CC, and overpriced R4 mats, EQ rewards being extremely underwhelming, etc. especially with the push and focus for BG’s, we need immediate updates to the game economy to help even the playing field.

Why do you think you should be able to keep pace with someone who spends $1000 and you don't?

Why do you always make illogical comments!

You have got to be joking. No way you think what he just said is illogical

It’s called sarcasm 😭

Wozzle007

Ayden_noah1 said:

If FTP players are able to catch up the the whales in 2 months time, this would stop a lot of whales from spending. The game will die if th whales stop spending. July 4th, boxing day offers and gifting events help a lot since more players will spend during this times and not just the whales. I am FTP but I know that I will eventually get to where the whales are now but by that time they will taken another huge step ahead. You can't possible expect to ever catch up to them, you will always be around 6 months or more behind. The economy of the game dictates that the whales must be ahead so they can spend to keep the game alive. I know that I will never keep up so I play at my own pace, but for those FTP who wants to keep up, STOP, it's never going to happen and it shouldn't. Spenders get more benefits and perks so they would keep spending. Just like in life, the rich can buy what they want and go on vacation anytime they want. So what's the big deal. Money will help you in life and in this game. They say money is the root of all evil, I say jealous and entitlement is the root of all evil.

FTP would never catch up as whales would still earn rewards as well. They get the head start from buying and stay ahead by earning. Buying keeps them at the top of AQ/AW/BG so they will pretty much always out earn FTP.

There is nothing really aspirational in the game resource wise outside of BG and that’s still a slow burn of 1 T6CC per month. 3 months for a R5 or 4 months for a 7/R2. We absolutely need the other stores updated already. Even moving it so with all 3 stores combined we can achieve one rank 5 a month, it’s still infinitely fewer rank ups then what you get from buying.

No issue with people buying everything, but at least allow some progression that isn’t snail paced for playing the game.

DNA3000

Wozzle007 said:

Even moving it so with all 3 stores combined we can achieve one rank 5 a month, it’s still infinitely fewer rank ups then what you get from buying.

Good luck with that.

HungaryHippo

Ayden_noah1 said:

If FTP players are able to catch up the the whales in 2 months time, this would stop a lot of whales from spending. The game will die if th whales stop spending. July 4th, boxing day offers and gifting events help a lot since more players will spend during this times and not just the whales. I am FTP but I know that I will eventually get to where the whales are now but by that time they will taken another huge step ahead. You can't possible expect to ever catch up to them, you will always be around 6 months or more behind. The economy of the game dictates that the whales must be ahead so they can spend to keep the game alive. I know that I will never keep up so I play at my own pace, but for those FTP who wants to keep up, STOP, it's never going to happen and it shouldn't. Spenders get more benefits and perks so they would keep spending. Just like in life, the rich can buy what they want and go on vacation anytime they want. So what's the big deal. Money will help you in life and in this game. They say money is the root of all evil, I say jealous and entitlement is the root of all evil.

What a fantastic post. F2P whiners are incredibly ungrateful both to Kabam (who goes above and beyond to consider F2P in a completely ad-free game) and the spenders who keep the game running.

Thankfully it’s a tiny but very vocal minority.

Shadow_Shooter

HungaryHippo said:

Ayden_noah1 said:

If FTP players are able to catch up the the whales in 2 months time, this would stop a lot of whales from spending. The game will die if th whales stop spending. July 4th, boxing day offers and gifting events help a lot since more players will spend during this times and not just the whales. I am FTP but I know that I will eventually get to where the whales are now but by that time they will taken another huge step ahead. You can't possible expect to ever catch up to them, you will always be around 6 months or more behind. The economy of the game dictates that the whales must be ahead so they can spend to keep the game alive. I know that I will never keep up so I play at my own pace, but for those FTP who wants to keep up, STOP, it's never going to happen and it shouldn't. Spenders get more benefits and perks so they would keep spending. Just like in life, the rich can buy what they want and go on vacation anytime they want. So what's the big deal. Money will help you in life and in this game. They say money is the root of all evil, I say jealous and entitlement is the root of all evil.

What a fantastic post. F2P whiners are incredibly ungrateful both to Kabam (who goes above and beyond to consider F2P in a completely ad-free game) and the spenders who keep the game running.

Thankfully it’s a tiny but very vocal minority.

Ugh… I’m a whale but even so this is cringe.

TyEdge

I thought kt1 was very articulate on the subject. The issue isn’t the resources bought; it’s the timing.

The marginal utility of each rankup decreases with each one. Your tenth r5 is worth less than your first. The problem with this situation is that this flood was unleashed in an economy that mostly lacked 6r5/7r2.

Even going one rung down the ladder, I’m adding a lot of r4 champs to my roster, but I had like 20 already. Those rankups fill niches and broaden my capabilities, but they aren’t upsetting to game balance.

Graves_3

Buttehrs said:

Colinwhitworth69 said:

Buttehrs said:

captaincush said:

they just said in the stream that this was top priority, so expect to see more information soon

The part that gets me is, you'd think they would know this fallout before the deals even occur. So why not be proactive instead of reactive and tell us before the deals even happen that ftp or low spenders etc can expect updates to economy to "catch up" in X amount of time.

The delay is on purpose, because why would people spend if they could wait to use in-game currency instead? The store updates will not cover the difference between you and whales anyway. Spenders are integral to the existence of the game, so there will always (repeat: always) be advantages to spending. Always.

I'm aware the delay is on purpose. What I was getting at was they can easily tell us ahead of time, if you don't spend any money, expect to be 2-3 months behind until you can start getting the same items etc.

While I agree with you the stores need to be updated but it’s also unrealistic to think kabam will ever tell outright how long they will let the spenders have an advantage. It will be counterproductive to them to disclose this information.

pseudosane

HungaryHippo said:

Ayden_noah1 said:

If FTP players are able to catch up the the whales in 2 months time, this would stop a lot of whales from spending. The game will die if th whales stop spending. July 4th, boxing day offers and gifting events help a lot since more players will spend during this times and not just the whales. I am FTP but I know that I will eventually get to where the whales are now but by that time they will taken another huge step ahead. You can't possible expect to ever catch up to them, you will always be around 6 months or more behind. The economy of the game dictates that the whales must be ahead so they can spend to keep the game alive. I know that I will never keep up so I play at my own pace, but for those FTP who wants to keep up, STOP, it's never going to happen and it shouldn't. Spenders get more benefits and perks so they would keep spending. Just like in life, the rich can buy what they want and go on vacation anytime they want. So what's the big deal. Money will help you in life and in this game. They say money is the root of all evil, I say jealous and entitlement is the root of all evil.

What a fantastic post. F2P whiners are incredibly ungrateful both to Kabam (who goes above and beyond to consider F2P in a completely ad-free game) and the spenders who keep the game running.

Thankfully it’s a tiny but very vocal minority.

Lmao. The entitlement of this guy is funny

DarkestDestroyer

Eb0ny-O-M4w said:

AngelMcNugget said:

Buttehrs said:

captaincush said:

they just said in the stream that this was top priority, so expect to see more information soon

The part that gets me is, you'd think they would know this fallout before the deals even occur. So why not be proactive instead of reactive and tell us before the deals even happen that ftp or low spenders etc can expect updates to economy to "catch up" in X amount of time.

I imagine they expect us to catch up next month, since that's when the "best ftp event in history" is supposed to be taking place.

But that will just at the very least keep the gap the same, since we can assume even spenders will get the rewards

Why should the spenders not have a gap? If they are spending £1000 on an event or more, they should feel rightly justified to have a better roster.

At the end of the day what’s it even matter? The top will always be the top, we can just enjoy at our own pace, and spend if we wish.

I would feel annoyed if I had just spent tons for July 4th and seen F2P have a better roster or the same without spending.

Csutton

ISO17 said:

The bridge between people who spent $1,000+ this weekend and those that did not us far, FAR too big to not have immediate updates to the stores. Everything is absolutely outdated, from loyalty store, Glory store not having ANY T6CC, and overpriced R4 mats, EQ rewards being extremely underwhelming, etc. especially with the push and focus for BG’s, we need immediate updates to the game economy to help even the playing field.

I love all the “disagree” clowns on your original post 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤣🤣… like this is quite literally reality, the true state of the game and everyone sees it lol. It’s not a matter of agreeing, disagreeing or perspective; it’s just facts. I spent a decent amount and even I, as a spender, can see the disconnect these awesome deals created. Hopefully the coming updates will be good for the whole community, ftp or not.

Shadowstrike

TyEdge said:

I thought kt1 was very articulate on the subject. The issue isn’t the resources bought; it’s the timing.

The marginal utility of each rankup decreases with each one. Your tenth r5 is worth less than your first. The problem with this situation is that this flood was unleashed in an economy that mostly lacked 6r5/7r2.

Even going one rung down the ladder, I’m adding a lot of r4 champs to my roster, but I had like 20 already. Those rankups fill niches and broaden my capabilities, but they aren’t upsetting to game balance.

First off, it's KT1. That man complains when it's a day ending in the letter Y.

He complains if Kabam does something he doesn't like because to him, it's ruining the game and he complain if Kabam does something he really likes, because he'll argue that it should have been done sooner, even if it's something that couldn't be done at the time.