Kp instantly dies to bishop in bgs

Hawkt1

Sadly I didn't record it, but kp is instantly ko at the start of the fight with bishop even though no contact has started

Twice now!

Anyone else or am I missing something, ive done a duel and practice fight and it doesn't happen there

raviXsharma

Hawkt1 said:

Sadly I didn't record it, but kp is instantly ko at the start of the fight with bishop even though no contact has started

Twice now!

Anyone else or am I missing something, ive done a duel and practice fight and it doesn't happen there

Can you put a screenshot of that fight? You can access details through fight history

Maratox

Are you saying the game crashes or that you enter the fight and KP’s health instantly to drops to zero? With no contact made? Are you sure you aren’t landing a parry? Because if you’re in GC it could be that you enter the fight with 3 or 4 rage, block a hit, gain 5 bleeds, purify 8 debuffs, which assuming that’s a 7 star rank 1 bishop, would inflict roughly 25,160 damage. Scaling that with attack nodes could kill you instantly.

Hawkt1

raviXsharma said:

Hawkt1 said:

Sadly I didn't record it, but kp is instantly ko at the start of the fight with bishop even though no contact has started

Twice now!

Anyone else or am I missing something, ive done a duel and practice fight and it doesn't happen there

Can you put a screenshot of that fight? You can access details through fight history

No I cant it's not showing up

He dies instantly

A alliance mate has just said the same with zero

Even if the parry landed why instantly die?

magnus_xix

Read Bishop's abilities

Hawkt1

I have.. so you tell me why it happens in bg and not anywhere else

xLunatiXx

You can access your history match and provide match info from there

Maratox

Hawkt1 said:

I have.. so you tell me why it happens in bg and not anywhere else

Possibly because of the gladiator’s circuit nodes. See my previous comment and that may explain it

magnus_xix

Did you skip this part?

Hawkt1

No I read that and atcthe rank bishop was r3, compared to r5 kp he wouldn't insta kill

Hawkt1

Hawkt1

Do the math, 2.5k x 5 is not 58k

magnus_xix

Well KP purifies 8 at once plus there are attack increasing nodes active

Maratox

Hawkt1 said:

Do the math, 2.5k x 5 is not 58k

You’re purifying 8 debuffs at the beginning of the fight since you have at least 3 rage. And that damage scales with class advantage I believe. And it’s doubled because of bg nodes. It’s absolutely possible it could insta kill you

Hawkt1

8 debuffs??? No your not, I don't run suicides

And the max bleeds is 5

magnus_xix

3 rage debuffs you start with + 5 bleeds = 8 = 💀💀💀

AverageDesi

8×2.5 is already 20k. And then the attack boost from the node will make it much higher

Maratox

Hawkt1 said:

8 debuffs??? No your not, I don't run suicides

And the max bleeds is 5

You have 3 or 4 rage and then you gain 5 bleeds. Kingpin purifies 8 debuffs at once to gain overpower.

Hawkt1

Ok then e plain zemo, he cleanses not purifies

Hawkt1

I do hear what your saying but I'm not convinced

Maratox

Hawkt1 said:

Ok then e plain zemo, he cleanses not purifies

For Bishop’s abilities cleanse and purify are exactly the same.

Maratox

Hawkt1 said:

I do hear what your saying but I'm not convinced

Math doesn’t convince you?

Hawkt1

Maratox said:

Hawkt1 said:

Ok then e plain zemo, he cleanses not purifies

For Bishop’s abilities cleanse and purify are exactly the same.

Where does it say that

Maratox

Hawkt1 said:

Maratox said:

Hawkt1 said:

Ok then e plain zemo, he cleanses not purifies

For Bishop’s abilities cleanse and purify are exactly the same.

Where does it say that

You can test it out for yourself just like I did. Zemo takes damage when he cleanses against bishop.

DNA3000

Hawkt1 said:

Maratox said:

Hawkt1 said:

Ok then e plain zemo, he cleanses not purifies

For Bishop’s abilities cleanse and purify are exactly the same.

Where does it say that

My recollection is that this is a legacy of history. To simplify a bit, there are what we call effects, and there is the actual mechanics that the game uses to implement those effects. The thing the game engine does to remove an effect is called "Purify." Colloquially, an effect that removes another effect was originally called "Purify" after the thing it was doing. However, just like there is bleed damage but there are different effects that can cause bleed damage, not all of them called "Bleed" the devs created other effects that can remove effects that are different from each other, but still perform a Purify under the hood. What we call "Purify" and what we call "Cleanse" both purify effects. But Purify and Cleanse interact with other abilities in the game in different ways. They just happen to do one thing using the same tool.

You can see this legacy in Zemo's ability description for Grand Machination:



Notice: Zemo's Cleanses can't Purify Stun Debuffs. There's still this slightly confusing (to those that don't know the history) use of terminology. Purify purifies effects. Cleanse also purifies effects, but Cleanse is not a Purify effect.

Bishop predates this distiinction, so when Bishop refers to purify he's referring to the raw mechanic "purify" which both the Cleanse effect and Purify effect do.

AverageDesi

DNA3000 said:

Hawkt1 said:

Maratox said:

Hawkt1 said:

Ok then e plain zemo, he cleanses not purifies

For Bishop’s abilities cleanse and purify are exactly the same.

Where does it say that

My recollection is that this is a legacy of history. To simplify a bit, there are what we call effects, and there is the actual mechanics that the game uses to implement those effects. The thing the game engine does to remove an effect is called "Purify." Colloquially, an effect that removes another effect was originally called "Purify" after the thing it was doing. However, just like there is bleed damage but there are different effects that can cause bleed damage, not all of them called "Bleed" the devs created other effects that can remove effects that are different from each other, but still perform a Purify under the hood. What we call "Purify" and what we call "Cleanse" both purify effects. But Purify and Cleanse interact with other abilities in the game in different ways. They just happen to do one thing using the same tool.

You can see this legacy in Zemo's ability description for Grand Machination:



Notice: Zemo's Cleanses can't Purify Stun Debuffs. There's still this slightly confusing (to those that don't know the history) use of terminology. Purify purifies effects. Cleanse also purifies effects, but Cleanse is not a Purify effect.

Bishop predates this distiinction, so when Bishop refers to purify he's referring to the raw mechanic "purify" which both the Cleanse effect and Purify effect do.

This 'legacy' also afflicts stagger and nullify. So to use it right, Stagger nullifies buffs. Nullify also nullifies buffs. But Stagger is not a Nullify?

Apoc not preventing Cleanse was also a bit of a discussion since it specified purify and Apoc was supposed to.prevent purify.

Lovejoy72

Without synergy with Hood, how is KP purifying multiple anything’s at the same time? Doesn’t he have a delay?

Noob_Master69

DNA3000 said:

Hawkt1 said:

Maratox said:

Hawkt1 said:

Ok then e plain zemo, he cleanses not purifies

For Bishop’s abilities cleanse and purify are exactly the same.

Where does it say that

My recollection is that this is a legacy of history. To simplify a bit, there are what we call effects, and there is the actual mechanics that the game uses to implement those effects. The thing the game engine does to remove an effect is called "Purify." Colloquially, an effect that removes another effect was originally called "Purify" after the thing it was doing. However, just like there is bleed damage but there are different effects that can cause bleed damage, not all of them called "Bleed" the devs created other effects that can remove effects that are different from each other, but still perform a Purify under the hood. What we call "Purify" and what we call "Cleanse" both purify effects. But Purify and Cleanse interact with other abilities in the game in different ways. They just happen to do one thing using the same tool.

You can see this legacy in Zemo's ability description for Grand Machination:



Notice: Zemo's Cleanses can't Purify Stun Debuffs. There's still this slightly confusing (to those that don't know the history) use of terminology. Purify purifies effects. Cleanse also purifies effects, but Cleanse is not a Purify effect.

Bishop predates this distiinction, so when Bishop refers to purify he's referring to the raw mechanic "purify" which both the Cleanse effect and Purify effect do.

Man, I sure do love how consistenly inconsistent the game and it's interactions can be!

AverageDesi

Lovejoy72 said:

Without synergy with Hood, how is KP purifying multiple anything’s at the same time? Doesn’t he have a delay?

If he reaches 8 Debuffs it automatically purifies all

Lovejoy72

AverageDesi said:

Lovejoy72 said:

Without synergy with Hood, how is KP purifying multiple anything’s at the same time? Doesn’t he have a delay?

If he reaches 8 Debuffs it automatically purifies all

I get it now, you all are taking about him going straight into overpower.

DNA3000

Noob_Master69 said:

DNA3000 said:

Hawkt1 said:

Maratox said:

Hawkt1 said:

Ok then e plain zemo, he cleanses not purifies

For Bishop’s abilities cleanse and purify are exactly the same.

Where does it say that

My recollection is that this is a legacy of history. To simplify a bit, there are what we call effects, and there is the actual mechanics that the game uses to implement those effects. The thing the game engine does to remove an effect is called "Purify." Colloquially, an effect that removes another effect was originally called "Purify" after the thing it was doing. However, just like there is bleed damage but there are different effects that can cause bleed damage, not all of them called "Bleed" the devs created other effects that can remove effects that are different from each other, but still perform a Purify under the hood. What we call "Purify" and what we call "Cleanse" both purify effects. But Purify and Cleanse interact with other abilities in the game in different ways. They just happen to do one thing using the same tool.

You can see this legacy in Zemo's ability description for Grand Machination:



Notice: Zemo's Cleanses can't Purify Stun Debuffs. There's still this slightly confusing (to those that don't know the history) use of terminology. Purify purifies effects. Cleanse also purifies effects, but Cleanse is not a Purify effect.

Bishop predates this distiinction, so when Bishop refers to purify he's referring to the raw mechanic "purify" which both the Cleanse effect and Purify effect do.

Man, I sure do love how consistenly inconsistent the game and it's interactions can be!

It is actually fairly consistent, but requires situational awareness most players don't have.