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Players need Clarity on Aw masteries for placement

CrazyBunnyZoyCrazyBunnyZoy Posts: 34 ★
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It has been a month since the post regarding Aw has been out and nobody from kabam has stuck their neck out to bring some clarity over the masteries issues.

Do we really have to start Aw season tomorrow risking to have players placing with suicides ?
Can we address the elephant in the room before it creates issues ?

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    SirGamesBondSirGamesBond Posts: 4,482 ★★★★★
    Maat1985 said:

    they have already said that the masteries you have at the end of matchmaking are the masteries your defence will be placed with.

    like it or not that is the answer.
    you do not need clarity when they have already said as much.

    Plain and simple Brutal truth. Nothing else
    This makes me not want to do wars at all.
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    CrazyBunnyZoyCrazyBunnyZoy Posts: 34 ★
    edited August 2023
    Maat1985 said:

    they have already said that the masteries you have at the end of matchmaking are the masteries your defence will be placed with.

    like it or not that is the answer.
    you do not need clarity when they have already said as much.

    pseudosane said:

    CrazyBunnyZoy said:

    It has been a month since the post regarding Aw has been out and nobody from kabam has stuck their neck out to bring some clarity over the masteries issues.

    Do we really have to start Aw season tomorrow risking to have players placing with suicides ?
    Can we address the elephant in the room before it creates issues ?

    They have consistently said that masteries AT the time of matchmaking. So make sure, on wednesdays, Fridays and Sundays, at 6pm EST, that masteries are properly set. There is no need for more clarity than this.

    Thank you guys , you both proved my point by saying it was clear and giving 2 different answers lol




    Matchmaking phase starts at 6pm EST as you said. Not all alliances , of course , will have a match found at the same time: some will take 5 mins, some 3 hours.

    So technically , the big change is that instead of deciding on your own when you are setting masteries to place defense , now you have 4 hours to change masteries. Moreover you gotta make sure to wait for match to be found (which is “Some time” in these 4h) AND attack phase to begin in order to swap masteries.
    This according to what their post says.

    What I still gather is that there is confusion over when masteries are supposed to be set and that for sure the system is more flawed than before since it sounds like kabam is not taking into account timezone issues related to a 4hours window.
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    SummonerNRSummonerNR Posts: 11,274 Guardian
    The “masteries at the time of matchmaking beginning” reference, while not technically exactly correct, does at least make sure that you have then switched and in place so that WHENEVER the actual match is FOUND (and attack begins) you will be covered.

    Sounds like technically you could wait an hour into Matchmaking before setting your defense masteries, if you were to know typically low long matchmaking normally takes for your War Rating and # of BG's.
    *But, then does that also imply that even JOINING your DEFENSE can be done for a certain amount of time DURING MATCHMAKING ???
    Or do you have to have yourself joined to a defensive BG prior to matchmaking start time ??

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    As for the “only have 4 hours, etc, etc, timezone, etc” stuff.
    If your timezone is such that you are NOT IN THE GAME (ie, ASLEEP) during Matchmaking, then you could have just switched to your Defense Masteries as the last thing you do prior to closing the game for the night.
    Don’t have to be within some limited hour window to do that, and then to switch them back for Attack.

    Now, if you are IN GAME at the time, say doing Arena with Suicides, then YES there will be the issue of exactly how close do you want to cut it in switching over and back.
    But doing an hour's worth of Arena WITHOUT your suicides, a fraction of the overall time you are grinding your arena over the 3 days, isn’t gonna cost you that much in arena points.

    ——
    But I agree with everyone, that Dual Masteries Setup (like for BG's) would solve this problem.
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    CrazyBunnyZoyCrazyBunnyZoy Posts: 34 ★
    Maat1985 said:

    they have already said that the masteries you have at the end of matchmaking are the masteries your defence will be placed with.

    like it or not that is the answer.
    you do not need clarity when they have already said as much.

    SummonerNR said:

    The “masteries at the time of matchmaking beginning” reference, while not technically exactly correct, does at least make sure that you have then switched and in place so that WHENEVER the actual match is FOUND (and attack begins) you will be covered.

    Sounds like technically you could wait an hour into Matchmaking before setting your defense masteries, if you were to know typically low long matchmaking normally takes for your War Rating and # of BG's.
    *But, then does that also imply that even JOINING your DEFENSE can be done for a certain amount of time DURING MATCHMAKING ???
    Or do you have to have yourself joined to a defensive BG prior to matchmaking start time ??

    ——
    As for the “only have 4 hours, etc, etc, timezone, etc” stuff.
    If your timezone is such that you are NOT IN THE GAME (ie, ASLEEP) during Matchmaking, then you could have just switched to your Defense Masteries as the last thing you do prior to closing the game for the night.
    Don’t have to be within some limited hour window to do that, and then to switch them back for Attack.

    Now, if you are IN GAME at the time, say doing Arena with Suicides, then YES there will be the issue of exactly how close do you want to cut it in switching over and back.
    But doing an hour's worth of Arena WITHOUT your suicides, a fraction of the overall time you are grinding your arena over the 3 days, isn’t gonna cost you that much in arena points.

    ——
    But I agree with everyone, that Dual Masteries Setup (like for BG's) would solve this problem.


    Saying it like that is easy, when officers and leaders have to run a 30 players alliance , with several timezones , making all of that go smooth with any individual mistakes is harder than before.
    And since all the defense setting and AWA phase got “simpler” to make their life easy , 2 or 3 players wrongly placing defense can actually compromise a season with a loss. If that happens all the resources and time spent on a season go to waste.

    Anyways I do see your solutions and I agree with some of them , but the point , once again stays: you couldn’t detect either from the post the exact moment when you can change masteries and we re still talking about a time range instead of a set time.

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    TheParasiteTheParasite Posts: 408 ★★
    SummonerNR said:

    The “masteries at the time of matchmaking beginning” reference, while not technically exactly correct, does at least make sure that you have then switched and in place so that WHENEVER the actual match is FOUND (and attack begins) you will be covered.

    Sounds like technically you could wait an hour into Matchmaking before setting your defense masteries, if you were to know typically low long matchmaking normally takes for your War Rating and # of BG's.
    *But, then does that also imply that even JOINING your DEFENSE can be done for a certain amount of time DURING MATCHMAKING ???
    Or do you have to have yourself joined to a defensive BG prior to matchmaking start time ??

    ——
    As for the “only have 4 hours, etc, etc, timezone, etc” stuff.
    If your timezone is such that you are NOT IN THE GAME (ie, ASLEEP) during Matchmaking, then you could have just switched to your Defense Masteries as the last thing you do prior to closing the game for the night.
    Don’t have to be within some limited hour window to do that, and then to switch them back for Attack.

    Now, if you are IN GAME at the time, say doing Arena with Suicides, then YES there will be the issue of exactly how close do you want to cut it in switching over and back.
    But doing an hour's worth of Arena WITHOUT your suicides, a fraction of the overall time you are grinding your arena over the 3 days, isn’t gonna cost you that much in arena points.

    ——
    But I agree with everyone, that Dual Masteries Setup (like for BG's) would solve this problem.

    It ain’t going to cost us much arena points but it is going to cost us time for the next champ reset and that gap continues till the end of the arena. Because with suicides on the every match ends up almost 30% less than without them. Every 3 matches will cost us approx 2 minutes of time and for an hour it will lag our grind by 20 minutes every successive run
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    TheParasiteTheParasite Posts: 408 ★★
    edited August 2023
    If we are struck in double defense placement stage then it further lags for the last minutes of grind
    Almost 40 min of last minute grinding is lost. Last 11th round grind we just have 2 hours to finish up in that 40 min will be lost that will end up in 20 rounds of arena points lost which leads to 4Mil approx lost
    Nice implementation of new AW system
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