AI Reaction to Cassie heavy charge!

318Chubz318Chubz Member Posts: 121 ★★
in General Discussion
Any other Cassie players noticed the AI is no longer dashing at you while you’re charging her heavy attack???

I start noticing last week, and especially during Brutal DXL challenge.

Kabam, that’s not cool or fair. Y’all know well the AI was passive, and y’all changed it or something that’s not Cassie player friendly!

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  • ahmynutsahmynuts Member Posts: 7,615 ★★★★★
    If i saw the enemy charging a heavy attack i know i wouldn't charge in
  • PikoluPikolu Member, Guardian Posts: 7,808 Guardian
    It is annoying how the enemy will seem to wait. It is probably an issue with the AI where the AI gets itself locked until something happens. Something I noticed is if I just release the heavy, the AI doesn't react at all and due to the reach of Cassies heavy, you can typically hit through their block.

    This might just become some way of manipulating the AI like whiffing a light attack to force the AI to parry you while using someone like Attuma.
  • ZuroZuro Member Posts: 2,872 ★★★★★
    Same thing happens to me with titania
  • I_tell_no_tales_1I_tell_no_tales_1 Member Posts: 1,198 ★★★★
    This is why I never charge her heavy except during specials
  • AegonTargarуenAegonTargarуen Member Posts: 78 ★
    Not just Cassie, I face the same problem with Mr Negative everyday. Even when I try 3 hit combo then hold heavy they still dash back and wait. The only method that works most of the time is to timing and hold heavy while they dash at you.
  • HungaryHippoHungaryHippo Member Posts: 1,064 ★★★★
    Pikolu said:

    It is annoying how the enemy will seem to wait. It is probably an issue with the AI where the AI gets itself locked until something happens. Something I noticed is if I just release the heavy, the AI doesn't react at all and due to the reach of Cassies heavy, you can typically hit through their block.

    This might just become some way of manipulating the AI like whiffing a light attack to force the AI to parry you while using someone like Attuma.

    Doom does that a lot when you purify his shock.

    The Attuma thing is relatively new AFAIK and is remarkably consistent. But it shows just how sped up the AI is. If they are going to do that, at least buffer it with some semblance of human reaction time.

    Then there’s also infuriate, taunt, and intimidate which seem to be RNG based. Even top players YouTubers yell “bro you’re intimidated!”.
  • Manup456Manup456 Member Posts: 891 ★★★★
    edited August 2023
    This is similar to champs like Spot because dude is a nightmare to play now because you try and build portals and the AI starts heavy spamming like crazy. In Cassie’s case it knows when she’s charging heavy and stays away. They think we don’t notice these things but anyone who has been played the game long enough knows they have messed with the profiles and it started back when they added 7* champs in the game.
  • XSquadXSquad Member Posts: 158 ★★
    I noticed as well....i always try to charge with them against the wall
  • J4mmy_d0dger123J4mmy_d0dger123 Member Posts: 297 ★★
    HungaryHippo said:

    ahmynuts said:

    If i saw the enemy charging a heavy attack i know i wouldn't charge in

    This response is outstandingly ridiculous. Something changes and your first instinct is to spin the previous situation to defend Kabam?

    Have you no shame? Yikes.

    Then when someone pops in to say “nothing has changed”, you’ll jump to that as the defense. Wild.


  • VaniteliaVanitelia Member Posts: 487 ★★★
    If you start putting the pieces together with all of the changes coming through (revives, refills, adjusting content to get summoners through content quicker, AI reactions), it all points to resource use. Content is designed for people to use up resources in hopes that the summoner has to use cash to purchase more. I don't think it's a stretch by any account to think that's what is happening.

    I get it. We have to adjust with the changes being made. The game has changed from last week/month/year. Certain things that worked for us in the past don't always work now. We like to mention RNG with crystals and such, and I think the RNG also applies to in-fight percentages too. We used to joke about Magik's limbo proccing way more when it's the AI using her than when it's the summoner. It's chance, but that thought always creeps in that it' is different.

    Anyways, I've noticed the Cassie thing. Also the intimidate/infuriate/taunt mechanic not working like they used to. I've tried to adjust, but haven't gotten around to adjusting my frustration when dealing with it.
  • altavistaaltavista Member Posts: 1,458 ★★★★
    In addition to Cassie, I have noticed that Hercules and Future Ant-man are less consistent in causing the AI to be aggressive/dash at you. Before, it was near 100% that I could chain dash-back intercepts. Now, I estimate that it is 50-75% of the time. Still works, but much less consistent or reliable.
  • iDestroyerZiDestroyerZ Member Posts: 729 ★★★★
    Worse then that let's say i use her heavy to dodge some special attack, after that my heavy's animation starts and the AI wait for the exact time to dash and punish my heavy, basically her coolest mechanic is super risky zzz
  • AverageDesiAverageDesi Member Posts: 5,260 ★★★★★
    HungaryHippo said:

    ahmynuts said:

    If i saw the enemy charging a heavy attack i know i wouldn't charge in

    This response is outstandingly ridiculous. Something changes and your first instinct is to spin the previous situation to defend Kabam?

    Have you no shame? Yikes.

    Then when someone pops in to say “nothing has changed”, you’ll jump to that as the defense. Wild.
    Unless you can prove the ai doesn't behave like that now or that it is specifically a Cassie issue (which it is not. Not is it an 'issue').
  • I_tell_no_tales_1I_tell_no_tales_1 Member Posts: 1,198 ★★★★
    Vanitelia said:

    If you start putting the pieces together with all of the changes coming through (revives, refills, adjusting content to get summoners through content quicker, AI reactions), it all points to resource use. Content is designed for people to use up resources in hopes that the summoner has to use cash to purchase more. I don't think it's a stretch by any account to think that's what is happening.

    I get it. We have to adjust with the changes being made. The game has changed from last week/month/year. Certain things that worked for us in the past don't always work now. We like to mention RNG with crystals and such, and I think the RNG also applies to in-fight percentages too. We used to joke about Magik's limbo proccing way more when it's the AI using her than when it's the summoner. It's chance, but that thought always creeps in that it' is different.

    Anyways, I've noticed the Cassie thing. Also the intimidate/infuriate/taunt mechanic not working like they used to. I've tried to adjust, but haven't gotten around to adjusting my frustration when dealing with it.

    Try using your domino for a fight
    And then fight against a domino defender with any non aa reduction immune champion
    The critical failures happen like its 50% aar instead of 15%
  • HungaryHippoHungaryHippo Member Posts: 1,064 ★★★★
    AverageDesi said:

    HungaryHippo said:

    ahmynuts said:

    If i saw the enemy charging a heavy attack i know i wouldn't charge in

    This response is outstandingly ridiculous. Something changes and your first instinct is to spin the previous situation to defend Kabam?

    Have you no shame? Yikes.

    Then when someone pops in to say “nothing has changed”, you’ll jump to that as the defense. Wild.
    Unless you can prove the ai doesn't behave like that now or that it is specifically a Cassie issue (which it is not. Not is it an 'issue').
    I literally have no idea what you wrote here... It's not a coherent statement or even relevant to the point I made.
  • ahmynutsahmynuts Member Posts: 7,615 ★★★★★
    HungaryHippo said:

    ahmynuts said:

    If i saw the enemy charging a heavy attack i know i wouldn't charge in

    This response is outstandingly ridiculous. Something changes and your first instinct is to spin the previous situation to defend Kabam?

    Have you no shame? Yikes.

    Then when someone pops in to say “nothing has changed”, you’ll jump to that as the defense. Wild.
    You need to chill it was a joke lmao
  • Viper198787Viper198787 Member Posts: 597 ★★★★
    One strategy I’ve tried using recently is using her similar to Wasp, Chavez, or Silk. I’ll do a 4 hit combo and start charging my heavy. I find that more times than not the opponent will attack.
  • ahmynutsahmynuts Member Posts: 7,615 ★★★★★
    edited August 2023
    Zuro said:

    ahmynuts said:

    If i saw the enemy charging a heavy attack i know i wouldn't charge in

    Do you ever stop the sarcastic nonsense, you're literally providing nothing to the conversation.
    No, cry about it. I'm 50% sarcastic and 50% helpful. Whatever the coin lands on is what i will be when i reply
  • ahmynutsahmynuts Member Posts: 7,615 ★★★★★
    ahmynuts said:

    If i saw the enemy charging a heavy attack i know i wouldn't charge in

    Also thank you to the 2 intelligent people who understood this was a joke
  • JustWantTheRewardsJustWantTheRewards Member Posts: 442 ★★★
    ahmynuts said:

    Zuro said:

    ahmynuts said:

    If i saw the enemy charging a heavy attack i know i wouldn't charge in

    Do you ever stop the sarcastic nonsense, you're literally providing nothing to the conversation.
    No, cry about it. I'm 50% sarcastic and 50% helpful. Whatever the coin lands on is what i will be when i reply
    This thread is not about you bro. People don't care for the joke, move on
  • Toyota_2015Toyota_2015 Member Posts: 527 ★★★
    ahmynuts said:

    Zuro said:

    ahmynuts said:

    If i saw the enemy charging a heavy attack i know i wouldn't charge in

    Do you ever stop the sarcastic nonsense, you're literally providing nothing to the conversation.
    No, cry about it. I'm 50% sarcastic and 50% helpful. Whatever the coin lands on is what i will be when i reply
    What, are you Two-Face or something? The way you respond should depend on what you're responding to
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