OG Base Avengers (2015) Buff Plan almost complete

Gambl0r

The base 2015 released avengers (and new avengers) have been (rightfully) getting buffed according to their true power/ability in the marvel universe. Only a few left, and I'm so excited if/when Kabam releases their buffed version:

Base 2015 released Avengers (and New Avengers) modified/buffed:
Ant-Man, Black Panther, Hawkeye, Jane Foster, Hulk, Hulkbuster, Spider-Man and now Iron-Man

Base 2015 released Avengers (and New Avengers) hopefully pending modification/buff:
Black Widow, Captain America, Scarlet Witch, Thor, Vision, Iron Fist, Wolverine (and Doctor Strange)

Would be really refreshing to see the pending buffs, as a few of them were actually nerfed back in the infamous 12.0 update (Black Widow, Scarlet Witch, Thor and Doctor Strange)

Fingers crossed

Pikolu

Hold the phone, you want scarlet witch to get buffed??? Did you not see her in the crit meta of BGs or even in questing with Quicksilver alone? Her, Wolverine, and Thor are honestly fine where they sit in the contest currently.

Something else you have to consider is Black Widows DAAR that is always active is considered a very strong ability. If kabam buffed her, it would probably be at the loss of her core utility which would suck for people who used her for that one ability. Same thing can apply for vision.

However, I would love to see a cap and iron fist buff as long as cap doesn't have his fatigue on block removed

Agent_7

Most of them could actually be quite useful with slight tweaks that include a damage bump.

But yeah, the only buff Wanda needs is a corresponding PI boost. She’s damn near the lowest in the game.

Can we talk OG 2015/2016 Guardians next? OctoGroot needs to become reality…

Bendy

Pikolu said:

Hold the phone, you want scarlet witch to get buffed??? Did you not see her in the crit meta of BGs or even in questing with Quicksilver alone? Her, Wolverine, and Thor are honestly fine where they sit in the contest currently.

Something else you have to consider is Black Widows DAAR that is always active is considered a very strong ability. If kabam buffed her, it would probably be at the loss of her core utility which would suck for people who used her for that one ability. Same thing can apply for vision.

However, I would love to see a cap and iron fist buff as long as cap doesn't have his fatigue on block removed

Id love to see black widow to get a damage boost, cap and iron fist i agree with they need the buff and vision i think he can be buffed as we got viv now so he can get phase and incinerate while also having his power burn also make his specials now damage even if hits the block maybe also give him like an effect that increases his power burn

Magrailothos

Pikolu said:

Hold the phone, you want scarlet witch to get buffed??? Did you not see her in the crit meta of BGs or even in questing with Quicksilver alone? Her, Wolverine, and Thor are honestly fine where they sit in the contest currently.

Something else you have to consider is Black Widows DAAR that is always active is considered a very strong ability. If kabam buffed her, it would probably be at the loss of her core utility which would suck for people who used her for that one ability. Same thing can apply for vision.

However, I would love to see a cap and iron fist buff as long as cap doesn't have his fatigue on block removed

Whilst Switch can get a fair bit done (if the RNG is kind to you) I disagree with your suggestion that Thor, Black Widow and Wolverine are 'fine where they are'. It's simply not the case.

Yes you can clear content with them, if you've got a few skills, and the mindset to enjoy setting yourself a challenge.

But, taking any one of these classic champions into a quest is to deliberately hamper yourself with an inflexible champion vastly inferior to less-classic champions released in the last few years. That's not how it should be, playing with Marvel's flagship characters.

The fact they can do a few things with synergies and/or other enhancements (like becoming a Horseman) is not a valid argument. Particularly when you consider that about 1/3 of the buffs in the buff program 2021-22 at least partially buffed the champions by incorporating synergies into their base kit.

willrun4adonut

Magrailothos said:

Pikolu said:

Hold the phone, you want scarlet witch to get buffed??? Did you not see her in the crit meta of BGs or even in questing with Quicksilver alone? Her, Wolverine, and Thor are honestly fine where they sit in the contest currently.

Something else you have to consider is Black Widows DAAR that is always active is considered a very strong ability. If kabam buffed her, it would probably be at the loss of her core utility which would suck for people who used her for that one ability. Same thing can apply for vision.

However, I would love to see a cap and iron fist buff as long as cap doesn't have his fatigue on block removed

Whilst Switch can get a fair bit done (if the RNG is kind to you) I disagree with your suggestion that Thor, Black Widow and Wolverine are 'fine where they are'. It's simply not the case.

Yes you can clear content with them, if you've got a few skills, and the mindset to enjoy setting yourself a challenge.

But, taking any one of these classic champions into a quest is to deliberately hamper yourself with an inflexible champion vastly inferior to less-classic champions released in the last few years. That's not how it should be, playing with Marvel's flagship characters.

The fact they can do a few things with synergies and/or other enhancements (like becoming a Horseman) is not a valid argument. Particularly when you consider that about 1/3 of the buffs in the buff program 2021-22 at least partially buffed the champions by incorporating synergies into their base kit.

I use Wolvie all the time in all game modes (except BG). And I often bring Apoc along, even if he didn't have the horsemen ability they'd both would often find a place on my team.

Pikolu

Magrailothos said:

Pikolu said:

Hold the phone, you want scarlet witch to get buffed??? Did you not see her in the crit meta of BGs or even in questing with Quicksilver alone? Her, Wolverine, and Thor are honestly fine where they sit in the contest currently.

Something else you have to consider is Black Widows DAAR that is always active is considered a very strong ability. If kabam buffed her, it would probably be at the loss of her core utility which would suck for people who used her for that one ability. Same thing can apply for vision.

However, I would love to see a cap and iron fist buff as long as cap doesn't have his fatigue on block removed

Whilst Switch can get a fair bit done (if the RNG is kind to you) I disagree with your suggestion that Thor, Black Widow and Wolverine are 'fine where they are'. It's simply not the case.

Yes you can clear content with them, if you've got a few skills, and the mindset to enjoy setting yourself a challenge.

But, taking any one of these classic champions into a quest is to deliberately hamper yourself with an inflexible champion vastly inferior to less-classic champions released in the last few years. That's not how it should be, playing with Marvel's flagship characters.

The fact they can do a few things with synergies and/or other enhancements (like becoming a Horseman) is not a valid argument. Particularly when you consider that about 1/3 of the buffs in the buff program 2021-22 at least partially buffed the champions by incorporating synergies into their base kit.

You obviously don't know the power of sig 200 thor doing 40 second bg fights. The dude is much more powerful than you give him credit for.

Lpoo

Pikolu said:

Hold the phone, you want scarlet witch to get buffed??? Did you not see her in the crit meta of BGs or even in questing with Quicksilver alone? Her, Wolverine, and Thor are honestly fine where they sit in the contest currently.

Something else you have to consider is Black Widows DAAR that is always active is considered a very strong ability. If kabam buffed her, it would probably be at the loss of her core utility which would suck for people who used her for that one ability. Same thing can apply for vision.

However, I would love to see a cap and iron fist buff as long as cap doesn't have his fatigue on block removed

Thor still needs a buff. He has pretty decent damage with Odin and Stryfe, but he is very one dimensional as an attacker. His best utilities are shock resist and a chance of stuns on his specials.

Looking at the Iron Man and Hulk buffs, kabam killed it by adding great value and utility by just making some small adjustments. Thor deserves that treatment as well.

I agree tho, SWitch is great as is

Usagicassidy

You forgot Captain Marvel/ Ms Marvel, a champion that desperately needs a buff.

Magrailothos

Pikolu said:

Magrailothos said:

Pikolu said:

Hold the phone, you want scarlet witch to get buffed??? Did you not see her in the crit meta of BGs or even in questing with Quicksilver alone? Her, Wolverine, and Thor are honestly fine where they sit in the contest currently.

Something else you have to consider is Black Widows DAAR that is always active is considered a very strong ability. If kabam buffed her, it would probably be at the loss of her core utility which would suck for people who used her for that one ability. Same thing can apply for vision.

However, I would love to see a cap and iron fist buff as long as cap doesn't have his fatigue on block removed

Whilst Switch can get a fair bit done (if the RNG is kind to you) I disagree with your suggestion that Thor, Black Widow and Wolverine are 'fine where they are'. It's simply not the case.

Yes you can clear content with them, if you've got a few skills, and the mindset to enjoy setting yourself a challenge.

But, taking any one of these classic champions into a quest is to deliberately hamper yourself with an inflexible champion vastly inferior to less-classic champions released in the last few years. That's not how it should be, playing with Marvel's flagship characters.

The fact they can do a few things with synergies and/or other enhancements (like becoming a Horseman) is not a valid argument. Particularly when you consider that about 1/3 of the buffs in the buff program 2021-22 at least partially buffed the champions by incorporating synergies into their base kit.

You obviously don't know the power of sig 200 thor doing 40 second bg fights. The dude is much more powerful than you give him credit for.

Oh I know he can hit hard - I use him in Battlegrounds. And arena. And absolutely nowhere else at all.

I never said he was useless, because he isn't.

Yes, he does work in Battlegrounds if he can parry the opponent in the first place, and ifhe can stun them, and if they're not immune to debuffs/armour break, and if they're not going to shrug them off, and if they're not going to Evade him or make him Miss, and if they're not going to annihilate his health with bleed through block or Biohazard...

I like Thor. I've invested more 6* Sigs in him than I have in Hercules:


But he's undeniably a one-trick pony, whose single trick can be derailed by a massive proportion of opponents and nodes in the game.

That's not how the God of Thunder should feel to play.

Stand up for him, by all means @Pikolu . Tell people about the damage he can do - yes!

But suggesting he's 'fine as he is' is just plain wrong.