Fix the Goddamn Battlegrounds Matchmaking

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  • obsidimanobsidiman Member Posts: 974 ★★★

    obsidiman said:

    They won't say anything. That is not how a COMPETITION works. They made changes to Victory Track where you are matched with opponents similar to your roster as long as there is someone looking for a match at the same time as you. If there isn't then you're matched with the next best thing.

    In G.C you're matched with anyone in that tier. Roster size matters zero.

    You want the same rewards as everyone else playing the game mode, then you're going to face those people as well. I really can't understand why people think they should only face competition that they prefer.

    While I agree with your reasoning, you have to put yourself in their shoes. They progress to Platinum in a week / two weeks, then they lose consistently. Logically, there should be some kind of advancing by playing, as it is not a quest you complete and explore, but what incentive do they have to play the mode at that point?
    So you'd be ok with someone getting to the GC by playing, say, 100 matches and going 0-100 simply because of the sheer number of matches played vs anyone else's numbers?

    I mean I run a lot of quests and do a lot of arena. Should I be given a Paragon title or the newest 6* champ just based on my numbers?

    Asking respectfully to explain your reasoning.
    Dude.. like how is what you've said the same as him? We're saying that the competitive mode should be a fair?

    Why are you on about arena and paragon title?

    Oh I made sure to.. look up your profile as well. Same as the other idiot - 4.6mil rated. LMAO

    Talk more asshat
    Account rating is relevant how?...
    You do know that from a 4 mill rated account, about 2-3 mill comes from 1-4* champs right?
    I could easily be at 5+ million but I only have about 1/4 of my 1-5*'s ranked to max. I've 7 7*s unleveled 53 6*'s unleveled etc..
    I know a few 2.5 mill accounts that started later in the game and are so much better than my 4.8 mill account 🤣
    I'm 100% in the same boat. My account is big (relatively) but there are smaller ones, in my alliance even, that have me collared.
  • BringPopcornBringPopcorn Member Posts: 5,111 ★★★★★
    obsidiman said:

    obsidiman said:

    They won't say anything. That is not how a COMPETITION works. They made changes to Victory Track where you are matched with opponents similar to your roster as long as there is someone looking for a match at the same time as you. If there isn't then you're matched with the next best thing.

    In G.C you're matched with anyone in that tier. Roster size matters zero.

    You want the same rewards as everyone else playing the game mode, then you're going to face those people as well. I really can't understand why people think they should only face competition that they prefer.

    While I agree with your reasoning, you have to put yourself in their shoes. They progress to Platinum in a week / two weeks, then they lose consistently. Logically, there should be some kind of advancing by playing, as it is not a quest you complete and explore, but what incentive do they have to play the mode at that point?
    So you'd be ok with someone getting to the GC by playing, say, 100 matches and going 0-100 simply because of the sheer number of matches played vs anyone else's numbers?

    I mean I run a lot of quests and do a lot of arena. Should I be given a Paragon title or the newest 6* champ just based on my numbers?

    Asking respectfully to explain your reasoning.
    Dude.. like how is what you've said the same as him? We're saying that the competitive mode should be a fair?

    Why are you on about arena and paragon title?

    Oh I made sure to.. look up your profile as well. Same as the other idiot - 4.6mil rated. LMAO

    Talk more asshat
    Account rating is relevant how?...
    You do know that from a 4 mill rated account, about 2-3 mill comes from 1-4* champs right?
    I could easily be at 5+ million but I only have about 1/4 of my 1-5*'s ranked to max. I've 7 7*s unleveled 53 6*'s unleveled etc..
    I know a few 2.5 mill accounts that started later in the game and are so much better than my 4.8 mill account 🤣
    I'm 100% in the same boat. My account is big (relatively) but there are smaller ones, in my alliance even, that have me collared.
    I got a buddy that got accused on the forums for cheating, just because he is decked out and low rating 🤣
  • RonSwansonRonSwanson Member Posts: 1,171 ★★★★
    ahmynuts said:

    Wait until this guy hears about how sports work


  • A_FungiA_Fungi Member Posts: 999 ★★★★
    @CaseOpenedPLK why are you so angry?

    I understand that it is frustrating to fight all these high rated accounts with your lower one.

    However, why would it be fair that you would get the exact same (or better) rewards as me without facing the higher competition as I am?

    I just played an account I thought had suicides on because of the high ratings.... nope just a crazy amount of R27s and R56s. I still managed to snag a win in the middle.

    I think everyone understands the frustrations that this causes but I also don't think there is a better way to do this competition. Unless you want to be put into a lower level of competition for a lower level of rewards.

    Sticking the the NCAA March Madness, you could be the NIT track.
  • obsidimanobsidiman Member Posts: 974 ★★★
    A_Fungi said:

    @CaseOpenedPLK why are you so angry?

    I would wager it has to do with the final win 10 matches objective. We've all been there where we've lost a few in a row and winning and progressing feels hopeless. Folks want the remaining dust (or maybe the 6* relic) and they want it on their time frame. And when you go one step forward and three steps back the goal appears further away.

    The objective has 22 days remaining. It doesn't have to be completed in 2 hours or 8 hours or 24 hours. It's one win every 2 days. It doesn't have to be 10 wins going 10-0. Just 10 wins in however many matches you choose to do with whatever record those matches end at.

    The old saying of "How do you eat an elephant? One bite at a time." applies aptly for this objective. At least that's the opinion of this a$$hat.
  • CaseOpenedPLKCaseOpenedPLK Member Posts: 5

    I am not angry just really pissed off that is all. I didn't mean to offend anyone. I guess match rating can be seen as a dumb idea when it comes to fairness. However, most of the time, people with high rating do have highly ranked 6* and have multiple 7*. Also, someone mentioned about having weaker champs etc I have the same champs, just not as 6* nor are they anywhere close to their power. How is it a competition if I'm facing someone's rank 4 6* Korg, while they're facing my rank 1 6* Quicksilver. I'm using my strong champ, sure. But my fight will automatically take longer because their defender has more health. Not only that, because Kabam cannot balance ****! They use CGR and kill my defender in 5 seconds. Whereas, I try my hardest, kill their big ass champ as quick as I can - BOOM. I have lost by 5k points because of unfairness. Yes, I could place my ranked up champs, but then I'll have to use a weaker attacker?

    There is literally no winning - also I am at Diamond 3 and cannot climb any higher because I am constantly facing people with insane rosters. Therefore, I will not be playing anymore BGs this season. I do not want to help sub-par players by giving them a free win.

    Here's a similar situation, it would be like me having 150 health on COD and you having 100 health, we have the same guns etc. I'm more likely to win that fight since you have to probably hit me with 3-5 more bullets. That's fair.

    That is what it is like when I face someones insanely tanky defnder while they fight my really weak one- even if they fight a more equal defender, they most likely have a better counter/ stronger attack or have gotten better luck pulling their champs.

    P.S. I SWEAR I NEVER PULL MY HULKING AND EVERYONE ELSE DOES.

    Dude you are the sub par player.
    Wow what a roast my dude. I bet that took you like hours to come up with. Get a life or actually have a discussion idiot.
    Wasn't a roast; besides weren't you the not angry but pissed player (whatever that means) who was calling people explaining the situation asshats?...
    You said it yourself you have a lower account, which means sub par.
    No sub-par would be your skill my friend. You have a beefier account than me and lose tons of games of BGs? sounds like you are the sub-par one lmao...
  • JustWantTheRewardsJustWantTheRewards Member Posts: 442 ★★★
    We have 4 different threads about BGs matchmaking on the front page currently. Can the mods just make one big thread and start merging all of these into that one?
  • Colinwhitworth69Colinwhitworth69 Member Posts: 7,470 ★★★★★

    how in the hell am I meant to have a chance of winning against people like that?

    You're not meant to progress past people with better rosters without playing them.

  • StatureStature Member Posts: 469 ★★★

    I am not angry just really pissed off that is all. I didn't mean to offend anyone. I guess match rating can be seen as a dumb idea when it comes to fairness. However, most of the time, people with high rating do have highly ranked 6* and have multiple 7*. Also, someone mentioned about having weaker champs etc I have the same champs, just not as 6* nor are they anywhere close to their power. How is it a competition if I'm facing someone's rank 4 6* Korg, while they're facing my rank 1 6* Quicksilver. I'm using my strong champ, sure. But my fight will automatically take longer because their defender has more health. Not only that, because Kabam cannot balance ****! They use CGR and kill my defender in 5 seconds. Whereas, I try my hardest, kill their big ass champ as quick as I can - BOOM. I have lost by 5k points because of unfairness. Yes, I could place my ranked up champs, but then I'll have to use a weaker attacker?

    There is literally no winning - also I am at Diamond 3 and cannot climb any higher because I am constantly facing people with insane rosters. Therefore, I will not be playing anymore BGs this season. I do not want to help sub-par players by giving them a free win.

    Here's a similar situation, it would be like me having 150 health on COD and you having 100 health, we have the same guns etc. I'm more likely to win that fight since you have to probably hit me with 3-5 more bullets. That's fair.

    That is what it is like when I face someones insanely tanky defnder while they fight my really weak one- even if they fight a more equal defender, they most likely have a better counter/ stronger attack or have gotten better luck pulling their champs.

    P.S. I SWEAR I NEVER PULL MY HULKING AND EVERYONE ELSE DOES.

    Dude you are the sub par player.
    Wow what a roast my dude. I bet that took you like hours to come up with. Get a life or actually have a discussion idiot.
    You aren't going to get much help by insulting people on the forums.

    The current setup does favor accounts like yours. In the sense that the 4M+ rated accounts you are insulting had to play even stronger accounts right from Bronze tiers, relatively you have had an easier path to Diamond 3. It's a compromise devs took to make sure accounts like yours got a decent start in BG. At some point you will have to face better accounts.
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  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 22,024 ★★★★★
    edited September 2023

    I am not angry just really pissed off that is all. I didn't mean to offend anyone. I guess match rating can be seen as a dumb idea when it comes to fairness. However, most of the time, people with high rating do have highly ranked 6* and have multiple 7*. Also, someone mentioned about having weaker champs etc I have the same champs, just not as 6* nor are they anywhere close to their power. How is it a competition if I'm facing someone's rank 4 6* Korg, while they're facing my rank 1 6* Quicksilver. I'm using my strong champ, sure. But my fight will automatically take longer because their defender has more health. Not only that, because Kabam cannot balance ****! They use CGR and kill my defender in 5 seconds. Whereas, I try my hardest, kill their big ass champ as quick as I can - BOOM. I have lost by 5k points because of unfairness. Yes, I could place my ranked up champs, but then I'll have to use a weaker attacker?

    There is literally no winning - also I am at Diamond 3 and cannot climb any higher because I am constantly facing people with insane rosters. Therefore, I will not be playing anymore BGs this season. I do not want to help sub-par players by giving them a free win.

    Here's a similar situation, it would be like me having 150 health on COD and you having 100 health, we have the same guns etc. I'm more likely to win that fight since you have to probably hit me with 3-5 more bullets. That's fair.

    That is what it is like when I face someones insanely tanky defnder while they fight my really weak one- even if they fight a more equal defender, they most likely have a better counter/ stronger attack or have gotten better luck pulling their champs.

    P.S. I SWEAR I NEVER PULL MY HULKING AND EVERYONE ELSE DOES.

    Dude you are the sub par player.
    Wow what a roast my dude. I bet that took you like hours to come up with. Get a life or actually have a discussion idiot.
    You need to understand that competitions aren't about only facing someone that's equal to you. You haven't yet seemed to grasp that notion. You're saying it's not a competition because you're being faced with harder opponents. That's exactly what ANY competition is.
    They are not harder opponents dude? Are you dumb? They are stronger champions
    I'm at a loss of words for this comment......

    I am not angry just really pissed off that is all. I didn't mean to offend anyone. I guess match rating can be seen as a dumb idea when it comes to fairness. However, most of the time, people with high rating do have highly ranked 6* and have multiple 7*. Also, someone mentioned about having weaker champs etc I have the same champs, just not as 6* nor are they anywhere close to their power. How is it a competition if I'm facing someone's rank 4 6* Korg, while they're facing my rank 1 6* Quicksilver. I'm using my strong champ, sure. But my fight will automatically take longer because their defender has more health. Not only that, because Kabam cannot balance ****! They use CGR and kill my defender in 5 seconds. Whereas, I try my hardest, kill their big ass champ as quick as I can - BOOM. I have lost by 5k points because of unfairness. Yes, I could place my ranked up champs, but then I'll have to use a weaker attacker?

    There is literally no winning - also I am at Diamond 3 and cannot climb any higher because I am constantly facing people with insane rosters. Therefore, I will not be playing anymore BGs this season. I do not want to help sub-par players by giving them a free win.

    Here's a similar situation, it would be like me having 150 health on COD and you having 100 health, we have the same guns etc. I'm more likely to win that fight since you have to probably hit me with 3-5 more bullets. That's fair.

    That is what it is like when I face someones insanely tanky defnder while they fight my really weak one- even if they fight a more equal defender, they most likely have a better counter/ stronger attack or have gotten better luck pulling their champs.

    P.S. I SWEAR I NEVER PULL MY HULKING AND EVERYONE ELSE DOES.

    Dude you are the sub par player.
    Wow what a roast my dude. I bet that took you like hours to come up with. Get a life or actually have a discussion idiot.
    You need to understand that competitions aren't about only facing someone that's equal to you. You haven't yet seemed to grasp that notion. You're saying it's not a competition because you're being faced with harder opponents. That's exactly what ANY competition is.
    I guarantee, if I had the same power as you guys, I'd win every time. That's because when I face people of a similar level to me in terms of overall champions and level- I win pretty much every time, very easily.
    If account sharing was legal, I would let you use my account to prove it lol.
  • HauntedHaunted Member Posts: 1
    My god this game mode SUCKS. I think I may be in the opposite camp to a lot of you, I have a 3.5 million account, I am a legend, but my god it’s one step forward two steps back. The gridlock of getting to vibranium always used to be a headache, BUT NOW WITH THREE TIER OF VIBRANIUM TAKING 6 WINS EACH TIME…. FML.

    If you had it where you win one match and get two medals, it would be a mute point… but no you guys have to solve one problem and introduce three more. I’ve been stuck in V3 for 4 days of constant play of BG’s because of this. I’m not the only one, dozens of mates I know personally, and a large majority on the forum are having the same issue in diamond and platinum.

    For once Kabam can you just make a game mode fun and easy enough for progression into GC. Where you don’t have to spend loads of units and tokens on victory shields just so you can hedge your losses.

    Do better.
  • BringPopcornBringPopcorn Member Posts: 5,111 ★★★★★
    Haunted said:

    My god this game mode SUCKS. I think I may be in the opposite camp to a lot of you, I have a 3.5 million account, I am a legend, but my god it’s one step forward two steps back. The gridlock of getting to vibranium always used to be a headache, BUT NOW WITH THREE TIER OF VIBRANIUM TAKING 6 WINS EACH TIME…. FML.

    If you had it where you win one match and get two medals, it would be a mute point… but no you guys have to solve one problem and introduce three more. I’ve been stuck in V3 for 4 days of constant play of BG’s because of this. I’m not the only one, dozens of mates I know personally, and a large majority on the forum are having the same issue in diamond and platinum.

    For once Kabam can you just make a game mode fun and easy enough for progression into GC. Where you don’t have to spend loads of units and tokens on victory shields just so you can hedge your losses.

    Do better.

    Vibranium takes 5 wins not 6
  • Ironman3000Ironman3000 Member Posts: 1,955 ★★★★★

    I am not angry just really pissed off that is all. I didn't mean to offend anyone. I guess match rating can be seen as a dumb idea when it comes to fairness. However, most of the time, people with high rating do have highly ranked 6* and have multiple 7*. Also, someone mentioned about having weaker champs etc I have the same champs, just not as 6* nor are they anywhere close to their power. How is it a competition if I'm facing someone's rank 4 6* Korg, while they're facing my rank 1 6* Quicksilver. I'm using my strong champ, sure. But my fight will automatically take longer because their defender has more health. Not only that, because Kabam cannot balance ****! They use CGR and kill my defender in 5 seconds. Whereas, I try my hardest, kill their big ass champ as quick as I can - BOOM. I have lost by 5k points because of unfairness. Yes, I could place my ranked up champs, but then I'll have to use a weaker attacker?

    There is literally no winning - also I am at Diamond 3 and cannot climb any higher because I am constantly facing people with insane rosters. Therefore, I will not be playing anymore BGs this season. I do not want to help sub-par players by giving them a free win.

    Here's a similar situation, it would be like me having 150 health on COD and you having 100 health, we have the same guns etc. I'm more likely to win that fight since you have to probably hit me with 3-5 more bullets. That's fair.

    That is what it is like when I face someones insanely tanky defnder while they fight my really weak one- even if they fight a more equal defender, they most likely have a better counter/ stronger attack or have gotten better luck pulling their champs.

    P.S. I SWEAR I NEVER PULL MY HULKING AND EVERYONE ELSE DOES.

    Dude you are the sub par player.
    Wow what a roast my dude. I bet that took you like hours to come up with. Get a life or actually have a discussion idiot.
    You need to understand that competitions aren't about only facing someone that's equal to you. You haven't yet seemed to grasp that notion. You're saying it's not a competition because you're being faced with harder opponents. That's exactly what ANY competition is.
    They are not harder opponents dude? Are you dumb? They are stronger champions - not skill related. Of course people can be more skilful - basketball thing someone was on about. This is more about the actual content, having a different external factor like having a bigger hoop on one side of the court? That is not skill, that is unfair. Y'all keep talking about harder opponents - they're not harder, just have more health and damage. Which means I automatically lose because of the timed points.

    I guarantee, if I had the same power as you guys, I'd win every time. That's because when I face people of a similar level to me in terms of overall champions and level- I win pretty much every time, very easily.
    You totally have more skill than all those people who have played longer and in higher tiers of AW/AQ/BGs than you. Great point!
  • Ironman3000Ironman3000 Member Posts: 1,955 ★★★★★
    Haunted said:

    My god this game mode SUCKS. I think I may be in the opposite camp to a lot of you, I have a 3.5 million account, I am a legend, but my god it’s one step forward two steps back. The gridlock of getting to vibranium always used to be a headache, BUT NOW WITH THREE TIER OF VIBRANIUM TAKING 6 WINS EACH TIME…. FML.

    If you had it where you win one match and get two medals, it would be a mute point… but no you guys have to solve one problem and introduce three more. I’ve been stuck in V3 for 4 days of constant play of BG’s because of this. I’m not the only one, dozens of mates I know personally, and a large majority on the forum are having the same issue in diamond and platinum.

    For once Kabam can you just make a game mode fun and easy enough for progression into GC. Where you don’t have to spend loads of units and tokens on victory shields just so you can hedge your losses.

    Do better.

    Did you get your Legends title from somewhere other than Incursans?
  • A_FungiA_Fungi Member Posts: 999 ★★★★
    Masdo said:

    Haunted said:

    My god this game mode SUCKS. I think I may be in the opposite camp to a lot of you, I have a 3.5 million account, I am a legend, but my god it’s one step forward two steps back. The gridlock of getting to vibranium always used to be a headache, BUT NOW WITH THREE TIER OF VIBRANIUM TAKING 6 WINS EACH TIME…. FML.

    If you had it where you win one match and get two medals, it would be a mute point… but no you guys have to solve one problem and introduce three more. I’ve been stuck in V3 for 4 days of constant play of BG’s because of this. I’m not the only one, dozens of mates I know personally, and a large majority on the forum are having the same issue in diamond and platinum.

    For once Kabam can you just make a game mode fun and easy enough for progression into GC. Where you don’t have to spend loads of units and tokens on victory shields just so you can hedge your losses.

    Do better.

    Obviously skill issues. I climbed to V1 from V3 in just 2 days. Played over 20 matches cause i still remember i got into V3 during the 2nd last objectives, and i just ascended my Herc. I have 3.6m account.

    Git gud, noob.
    Comparing your path to someone else's is ridiculous

    You have no idea the difference in competition or rosters and many fights can be won or lost in the draft.

    In all reality, it might be all approximately the same... but just saying
  • BringPopcornBringPopcorn Member Posts: 5,111 ★★★★★
    Masdo said:

    Haunted said:

    My god this game mode SUCKS. I think I may be in the opposite camp to a lot of you, I have a 3.5 million account, I am a legend, but my god it’s one step forward two steps back. The gridlock of getting to vibranium always used to be a headache, BUT NOW WITH THREE TIER OF VIBRANIUM TAKING 6 WINS EACH TIME…. FML.

    If you had it where you win one match and get two medals, it would be a mute point… but no you guys have to solve one problem and introduce three more. I’ve been stuck in V3 for 4 days of constant play of BG’s because of this. I’m not the only one, dozens of mates I know personally, and a large majority on the forum are having the same issue in diamond and platinum.

    For once Kabam can you just make a game mode fun and easy enough for progression into GC. Where you don’t have to spend loads of units and tokens on victory shields just so you can hedge your losses.

    Do better.

    Obviously skill issues. I climbed to V1 from V3 in just 2 days. Played over 20 matches cause i still remember i got into V3 during the 2nd last objectives, and i just ascended my Herc. I have 3.6m account.

    Git gud, noob.
    Yeah that comment is unnecessary and as stupid as OP thinking his skills are better than bigger rosters and he would win with a big roster.
  • startropicsstartropics Member Posts: 877 ★★★★
    i sympathize with the situation but we’re all playing for the same rewards so the only thing that matters is performance.

    on a side note that’s unrelated to the OP (i mean it, not ragging on the OP specifically) people just want free stuff. if it was up to players they would demand “representation” of every tier in the top leaderboards. the best 50k-100k accounts must have an automatic spot reserved in the top 20 or it’s unfair.

    this is why equity never works, because we can’t force equal outcomes using a predetermined agenda.

    equal opportunity is what we should want and what makes the world function. everyone gets an equal chance to play the game and grow their account and the best get rewarded.
  • OGAvengerOGAvenger Member Posts: 1,144 ★★★★★
    My 3.4mil legend account keeps getting matched against 1.2mil noobs…can someone contact Kabam to take some rewards away from me?
  • klobberintymeklobberintyme Member Posts: 1,579 ★★★★

    This is ridiculous now. I have lost about 20+ games

    How can this gamemode be 'competitive' if it's only meant for strong accounts?

    I'll be nice guy.

    Battlegrounds was designed for end game players who ran out of content and need a carrot to continue collecting higher rarities of champs and ranking them up, usually by spending copious amounts of time, money and/or both. Without it, many of these 5-9 million accounts would likely have moved on. If you're not a strong account, Kabam wants you to keep spending time and cash to become a strong account so you too can laugh at lowly accounts complaining about "fairness". They could absolutely carve up tiers in bgs if they like, as they do for incursions, but that leaves way too much money on the table.

    Funny thing is most people say They make millions why so greedy? I remind those people that, as Netmarble's chief revenue generator, they have to hit those millions.
  • Maat1985Maat1985 Member Posts: 2,396 ★★★★

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