Who to give the Black Widow relic to suddenly got difficult

Ercarret

I was just casually scrolling through Youtube when I came upon this video of Ronin absolutely cheesing stuff with the help of the Black Widow relic, courtesy of Allision Edits and a friend of hers who supplied the gameplay. I just thought it was too cool not to share.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55mZ4RLDiEY

For those that don't understand what's happening, here's a breakdown of it (to the best of my knowledge):

When awakened, Ronin has the ability to evade when he's at 7 cruelty passives.

Normally, you'd use that evade, lose 3 cruelty passives and gain a fury passive. Then you'd have to build up to 7 cruelty passives again before you can use the evade again.

However, when awakened, the Black Widow relic grants Ronin (as well as Black Cat and Black Widow Deadly Origin) a stack of his passive cruelty whenever his defensive ability accuracy reduction prevents an ability from triggering on the opponent.

In his Wraith stance, Ronin has 40% DAAR. This means that he has a 40% chance to get a cruelty passive just from hitting the opponent while in that stance (if that opponent has an ability to fail), rather than having to change his stances over and over again. This speeds up his cruelty acquisition immensely, which in turn speeds up his safety net, which in turn speeds up his access to that fury passive that he can get when he evades.

This is also huge for Ronin whenever he throws his SP3 since it replaces all of his cruelty passives with a huge fury passive. With this relic, Ronin can build those cruelties back up much quicker than he normally would be able to, which in turn greatly increases the time both his cruelties and his fury is active at the same time.

It's a really cool interaction.

This doesn't work against every champion because there are a lot of them that don't have abilities that can fail due to DAAR, but there are a lot more abilities out there that can fail due to DAAR than people realize, and there are also a ton of nodes that can fail.

pseudosane

Great post.

I saw a lot of posts that 7* ronin was a dud, but these interactions with relics give new life to such champs and make them really good.

MiniMF

yh made me happier pulling him as a 7, wouldnt be disappointed if the dupe come in the next cristal now

DrZola

Just don’t tell @Masterpuff or we’ll have to listen to him go off about how great Ronin is…😉

Dr. Zola

captain_rogers

Ercarret said:

I was just casually scrolling through Youtube when I came upon this video of Ronin absolutely cheesing stuff with the help of the Black Widow relic, courtesy of Allision Edits and a friend of hers who supplied the gameplay. I just thought it was too cool not to share.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55mZ4RLDiEY

For those that don't understand what's happening, here's a breakdown of it (to the best of my knowledge):

When awakened, Ronin has the ability to evade when he's at 7 cruelty passives.

Normally, you'd use that evade, lose 3 cruelty passives and gain a fury passive. Then you'd have to build up to 7 cruelty passives again before you can use the evade again.

However, when awakened, the Black Widow relic grants Ronin (as well as Black Cat and Black Widow Deadly Origin) a stack of his passive cruelty whenever his defensive ability accuracy reduction prevents an ability from triggering on the opponent.

In his Wraith stance, Ronin has 40% DAAR. This means that he has a 40% chance to get a cruelty passive just from hitting the opponent while in that stance (if that opponent has an ability to fail), rather than having to change his stances over and over again. This speeds up his cruelty acquisition immensely, which in turn speeds up his safety net, which in turn speeds up his access to that fury passive that he can get when he evades.

This is also huge for Ronin whenever he throws his SP3 since it replaces all of his cruelty passives with a huge fury passive. With this relic, Ronin can build those cruelties back up much quicker than he normally would be able to, which in turn greatly increases the time both his cruelties and his fury is active at the same time.

It's a really cool interaction.

This doesn't work against every champion because there are a lot of them that don't have abilities that can fail due to DAAR, but there are a lot more abilities out there that can fail due to DAAR than people realize, and there are also a ton of nodes that can fail.

I pair up bw relic with my new 7* black cat, activate the relic and then Activate my sp2... Now i need not to rely on opponent that have defensive ability.. black widow applies the beep debuff which combined with black cat sabatoge, deals a huge damage... Black widow relic is well designed... I feel pity for those who wrote paragraphs in forums that the relic is trash and does nothing

Ercarret

Yeah, I was speaking a bit with Allison about that. It's fun how one relic can make two different champions absolutely OP, just in two completely different ways.

It feels like this relic and the Gambit one stand out as the two real gamechangers. I haven't seen anyone mention any others as being must-haves for specific champions.

Giantwalrus56

I recently pulled him from the 7* incursions crystal. At first, I was filled with a combination of anger, sadness, & just your general feeling of "WTF Kabam! Why do you hate me?" After watching some videos & doing some very limited testing, I am starting to see the error of my ways. He's actually quite fun & the damage is pretty dang good. Will he be my most used skill champion, most likely no. Yet, I share this for those who after pulling him feel like their world has collapsed(a bit dramatic). Give him a try

Viper198787

I’ve always liked Ronin. He’s an underrated champ and can do a lot that people don’t realize. I wanted him so badly from my incursions crystal but I didn’t manage to get him. Ah well, maybe next time.

UnOriginal

I was going to rank him up until i got a 7* black cat

Masterpuff

I duped my 5* of the black widow relic FINALLY during this season of BG’s and was finally able to get the resources to rank it up. Makes Ronin just that much more amazing, especially with Kate Bishop on the team.



Also, for anyone wondering where me and my Ronin have been, I ascended mine this month. Unfortunately my first attempt for the 7* was a whiff but I’ll be making sure to secure the 7*.

IvarTheBoneless

captain_rogers said:

Ercarret said:

I was just casually scrolling through Youtube when I came upon this video of Ronin absolutely cheesing stuff with the help of the Black Widow relic, courtesy of Allision Edits and a friend of hers who supplied the gameplay. I just thought it was too cool not to share.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55mZ4RLDiEY

For those that don't understand what's happening, here's a breakdown of it (to the best of my knowledge):

When awakened, Ronin has the ability to evade when he's at 7 cruelty passives.

Normally, you'd use that evade, lose 3 cruelty passives and gain a fury passive. Then you'd have to build up to 7 cruelty passives again before you can use the evade again.

However, when awakened, the Black Widow relic grants Ronin (as well as Black Cat and Black Widow Deadly Origin) a stack of his passive cruelty whenever his defensive ability accuracy reduction prevents an ability from triggering on the opponent.

In his Wraith stance, Ronin has 40% DAAR. This means that he has a 40% chance to get a cruelty passive just from hitting the opponent while in that stance (if that opponent has an ability to fail), rather than having to change his stances over and over again. This speeds up his cruelty acquisition immensely, which in turn speeds up his safety net, which in turn speeds up his access to that fury passive that he can get when he evades.

This is also huge for Ronin whenever he throws his SP3 since it replaces all of his cruelty passives with a huge fury passive. With this relic, Ronin can build those cruelties back up much quicker than he normally would be able to, which in turn greatly increases the time both his cruelties and his fury is active at the same time.

It's a really cool interaction.

This doesn't work against every champion because there are a lot of them that don't have abilities that can fail due to DAAR, but there are a lot more abilities out there that can fail due to DAAR than people realize, and there are also a ton of nodes that can fail.

I pair up bw relic with my new 7* black cat, activate the relic and then Activate my sp2... Now i need not to rely on opponent that have defensive ability.. black widow applies the beep debuff which combined with black cat sabatoge, deals a huge damage... Black widow relic is well designed... I feel pity for those who wrote paragraphs in forums that the relic is trash and does nothing

It's well designed for those champions. For those like me who don't have any black widow/black cat/ronin it's literally useless beyond a combo extender. But that goes with most relics I guess.

DrZola

Related question: anyone already use this relic with Black Cat? If so, how’s it perform?

Dr. Zola

captain_rogers

DrZola said:

Related question: anyone already use this relic with Black Cat? If so, how’s it perform?

Dr. Zola

It's great .. especially against champs that don't have any defensive abilities to fail. Throw in the relic, and immediately throw sp 2 , you will deal sabatoge damage on each hit (at high combos)

DrZola

captain_rogers said:

DrZola said:

Related question: anyone already use this relic with Black Cat? If so, how’s it perform?

Dr. Zola

It's great .. especially against champs that don't have any defensive abilities to fail. Throw in the relic, and immediately throw sp 2 , you will deal sabatoge damage on each hit (at high combos)

Excellent—thanks. I had an unawakened 5* BP relic on her, but looking at the BW relic it doesn’t really matter what rarity especially if it’s duped. Lots of chances to get cruelties and sabotage.

Dr. Zola