Mistake I made in commissary store

FrnkieloFrnkielo Member Posts: 311 ★★
Hey..that commissary event I felt was horrible and not easy to hit milestones but whatever not every event is the same I get it. I made a mistake when I purchased the loyalty crystal..I was waiting for that bundle because it issued 1,000 solo event points which would’ve allowed me to hit the 30k six star shards for paragon. I purchased it from the loyalty store not realizing the bundle was in commissary store. I submitted a ticket explaining the mistake I made. 1,500,000 loyalty I spent in wrong place cost me 30k six star shards which is not much these days for me but I asked if I could somehow have kabam remedy it for me so I could then continue to push for next milestones which is the 900 units and then the last one being 7 star.
I was told flat out no..I requested to speak to someone else because I do spend money in this game and from a business perspective I couldn’t understand why kabam wasn’t helping a customer out. A supervisor got involved and said basically “too bad”..I know it’s my fault for selecting wrong tab just like it was kabams fault for sending 1,250 mythic crystals to people which they went back into everyone’s account and retracted items, i didn’t even exploit that mistake when I noticed it. I’m just wondering what other people think about the situation. Honestly it’s making not want to play and essentially pay a company for a game that doesn’t help out or listen to its customers. Yes this is a game but it’s a business also. Do you guys think kabam should I’ve credited me the 1,000 solo even points even though I used the loyalty in the wrong spot or an I expecting too much …the worst part about the situation was that when you try explaining yourself to whoever is reading the tickets it seems they are robotic and aren’t even engaging in what you are saying. Very frustrating. Thinking about leaving the game. I’m around 19k prestige and I spend on the big days during the year which spending or no spending shouldn’t matter I think this was an honest mistake they could’ve applied the points because I did spend 1,500,000 loyalty
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  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 22,597 ★★★★★
    edited October 2023
    So...you think because you spend money, it entitles you to a different recourse than someone that doesn't spend money? Even after you made the mistake? And you're trying to threaten them saying you don't want to play anymore, again because of your own admitted mistake,?

    This whole mentality is why working in retail these days is terrible. I understand it's frustrating not to get the milestone but again, you made the mistake. Why can't you accept that there isn't anything to do and be mad at yourself instead of blaming the company for following their rules? They haven't been making any changes to anyone's accounts because of points earned etc..
  • GalactikDonutGalactikDonut Member Posts: 419 ★★★
    I made the exact same mistake but realized it was my fault, said “we’ll that stinks” and moved on with my day.
  • ahmynutsahmynuts Member Posts: 7,938 ★★★★★

    So...you think because you spend money, it entitles you to a different recourse than someone that doesn't spend money? Even after you made the mistake? And you're trying to threaten them saying you don't want to play anymore, again because of your own admitted mistake,?

    This whole mentality is why working in retail these days is terrible. I understand it's frustrating not to get the milestone but again, you made the mistake. Why can't you accept that there isn't anything to do any be mad at yourself instead of blaming the company for following their rules? They haven't been making any changes to anyone's accounts because of points earned etc..

    Fr this guy sounds exactly like a Karen from back when i used to work retail
  • BringPopcornBringPopcorn Member Posts: 6,478 ★★★★★
    Did you open your crystal before opening the ticket?
  • WednesdayLengthWednesdayLength Member Posts: 1,983 ★★★★
    I'm confused, i made the exact same mistake and opened a ticket and they refunded me and allowed me to buy the right bundle? literally the only reason that they wouldn't have done it was either that it was more than 3 days after you bought the wrong bundle or you opened the 7 star crystal
  • RonSwansonRonSwanson Member Posts: 1,171 ★★★★

  • FrnkieloFrnkielo Member Posts: 311 ★★

    So...you think because you spend money, it entitles you to a different recourse than someone that doesn't spend money? Even after you made the mistake? And you're trying to threaten them saying you don't want to play anymore, again because of your own admitted mistake,?

    This whole mentality is why working in retail these days is terrible. I understand it's frustrating not to get the milestone but again, you made the mistake. Why can't you accept that there isn't anything to do and be mad at yourself instead of blaming the company for following their rules? They haven't been making any changes to anyone's accounts because of points earned etc..

    There’s always someone who comes aggressive..re read what I wrote where I said spending or not spending doesn’t matter..also asked what people think..ease up on the coffee
  • FrnkieloFrnkielo Member Posts: 311 ★★

    I'm confused, i made the exact same mistake and opened a ticket and they refunded me and allowed me to buy the right bundle? literally the only reason that they wouldn't have done it was either that it was more than 3 days after you bought the wrong bundle or you opened the 7 star crystal

    I opened the crystal already before. I realized I didn’t get points..I don’t want to refund the crystal and spin again…just the solo even points..the reward isn’t even substantial..it was more about the principal that the customer service was terrible…they literally told me go to the forum and post about it in this section..they said if I didn’t open the crystal they can reverse..I’m not even asking for a reverse..I don’t even care if they don’t reset the loyalty store timer from my purchase..just credit the 1,000 points..it amounted to 30k six star shards bcuz I didn’t put up anymore points since this mishap anyway
  • FrnkieloFrnkielo Member Posts: 311 ★★


    Best response yet lol
  • FrnkieloFrnkielo Member Posts: 311 ★★
    ahmynuts said:

    So...you think because you spend money, it entitles you to a different recourse than someone that doesn't spend money? Even after you made the mistake? And you're trying to threaten them saying you don't want to play anymore, again because of your own admitted mistake,?

    This whole mentality is why working in retail these days is terrible. I understand it's frustrating not to get the milestone but again, you made the mistake. Why can't you accept that there isn't anything to do any be mad at yourself instead of blaming the company for following their rules? They haven't been making any changes to anyone's accounts because of points earned etc..

    Fr this guy sounds exactly like a Karen from back when i used to work retail
    Your a keyboard warrior
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 22,597 ★★★★★
    Frnkielo said:

    So...you think because you spend money, it entitles you to a different recourse than someone that doesn't spend money? Even after you made the mistake? And you're trying to threaten them saying you don't want to play anymore, again because of your own admitted mistake,?

    This whole mentality is why working in retail these days is terrible. I understand it's frustrating not to get the milestone but again, you made the mistake. Why can't you accept that there isn't anything to do and be mad at yourself instead of blaming the company for following their rules? They haven't been making any changes to anyone's accounts because of points earned etc..

    There’s always someone who comes aggressive..re read what I wrote where I said spending or not spending doesn’t matter..also asked what people think..ease up on the coffee
    I read everything you wrote and that's not what you said. But this is what I am referring to-
    Frnkielo said:


    I was told flat out no..I requested to speak to someone else because I do spend money in this game and from a business perspective I couldn’t understand why kabam wasn’t helping a customer out.

    You threw in "spending or not doesn't matter" at the end after all the entitlement. On top of that, your idle threats of leaving the game because you didn't get what you wanted. Again, you don't truly own up to your mistake at all. They haven't been fixing many of the errors because points are involved in this event.

    I am sure they gave you a perfectly good reason as well which is why you haven't posted the responses from support. They don't tell you "flat out no" or "too bad". They give you a reason for not reversing the transaction. You just don't like that they didn't do it for you.
  • ahmynutsahmynuts Member Posts: 7,938 ★★★★★
    Frnkielo said:

    ahmynuts said:

    So...you think because you spend money, it entitles you to a different recourse than someone that doesn't spend money? Even after you made the mistake? And you're trying to threaten them saying you don't want to play anymore, again because of your own admitted mistake,?

    This whole mentality is why working in retail these days is terrible. I understand it's frustrating not to get the milestone but again, you made the mistake. Why can't you accept that there isn't anything to do any be mad at yourself instead of blaming the company for following their rules? They haven't been making any changes to anyone's accounts because of points earned etc..

    Fr this guy sounds exactly like a Karen from back when i used to work retail
    Your a keyboard warrior
    You're*
  • FrnkieloFrnkielo Member Posts: 311 ★★

    Frnkielo said:

    So...you think because you spend money, it entitles you to a different recourse than someone that doesn't spend money? Even after you made the mistake? And you're trying to threaten them saying you don't want to play anymore, again because of your own admitted mistake,?

    This whole mentality is why working in retail these days is terrible. I understand it's frustrating not to get the milestone but again, you made the mistake. Why can't you accept that there isn't anything to do and be mad at yourself instead of blaming the company for following their rules? They haven't been making any changes to anyone's accounts because of points earned etc..

    There’s always someone who comes aggressive..re read what I wrote where I said spending or not spending doesn’t matter..also asked what people think..ease up on the coffee
    I read everything you wrote and that's not what you said. But this is what I am referring to-
    Frnkielo said:


    I was told flat out no..I requested to speak to someone else because I do spend money in this game and from a business perspective I couldn’t understand why kabam wasn’t helping a customer out.

    You threw in "spending or not doesn't matter" at the end after all the entitlement. On top of that, your idle threats of leaving the game because you didn't get what you wanted. Again, you don't truly own up to your mistake at all. They haven't been fixing many of the errors because points are involved in this event.

    I am sure they gave you a perfectly good reason as well which is why you haven't posted the responses from support. They don't tell you "flat out no" or "too bad". They give you a reason for not reversing the transaction. You just don't like that they didn't do it for you.
    I literally said they said had I not opened the 7 star they would reverse it…I don’t need it reversed…and I literally said I know it’s my mistake…you and the other guy “used” to work in retail…poor customer service probably why you both got fired

  • BringPopcornBringPopcorn Member Posts: 6,478 ★★★★★

    I'm confused, i made the exact same mistake and opened a ticket and they refunded me and allowed me to buy the right bundle? literally the only reason that they wouldn't have done it was either that it was more than 3 days after you bought the wrong bundle or you opened the 7 star crystal

    Yeah buddy of mine got refunded, he didn't open the crystal though
  • FrnkieloFrnkielo Member Posts: 311 ★★
    ahmynuts said:

    Frnkielo said:

    ahmynuts said:

    So...you think because you spend money, it entitles you to a different recourse than someone that doesn't spend money? Even after you made the mistake? And you're trying to threaten them saying you don't want to play anymore, again because of your own admitted mistake,?

    This whole mentality is why working in retail these days is terrible. I understand it's frustrating not to get the milestone but again, you made the mistake. Why can't you accept that there isn't anything to do any be mad at yourself instead of blaming the company for following their rules? They haven't been making any changes to anyone's accounts because of points earned etc..

    Fr this guy sounds exactly like a Karen from back when i used to work retail
    Your a keyboard warrior
    You're*
    Atleast you didn’t disagree with the point
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,739 ★★★★★
    If you've already opened the Crystal, there's nothing they can do. That's always been the protocol.
  • FrnkieloFrnkielo Member Posts: 311 ★★

    I'm confused, i made the exact same mistake and opened a ticket and they refunded me and allowed me to buy the right bundle? literally the only reason that they wouldn't have done it was either that it was more than 3 days after you bought the wrong bundle or you opened the 7 star crystal

    Yeah buddy of mine got refunded, he didn't open the crystal though
    Yea they said the would’ve refunded…I wasn’t even looking for that…I didn’t want a re spin for 7 star…waiting until the 29th to get the bundle and making a mistake I was like oh damn I messed up…I figured they would credit 1,000 points bcuz at the end of the day I spent 1.5 mil just in wrong place

  • DNA3000DNA3000 Member, Guardian Posts: 20,135 Guardian
    Frnkielo said:

    I’m just wondering what other people think about the situation. Honestly it’s making not want to play and essentially pay a company for a game that doesn’t help out or listen to its customers. Yes this is a game but it’s a business also. Do you guys think kabam should I’ve credited me the 1,000 solo even points even though I used the loyalty in the wrong spot or an I expecting too much

    I think you're expecting too much. In situations like this they can at their discretion sometimes change things, but if they reversed every mistake of every paying customer they would start making game decisions pointless.

    Everyone makes mistakes. I let glory overflow, multiple times. People let crystals vanish, they let their stash expire. These are not headaches that surround the game, they are parts of the game. There's a penalty for making a mistake in combat: you take damage. You might die. There's a penalty for allowing currency to reach the cap without spending it: you might lose it. And if there is a way to earn points in an event and you don't do that thing, you won't earn those points.

    I can understand the mistake you made. But it was still an avoidable error. The game didn't tell you that some vague random loyalty bundle earned points in the event. The game told you which specific offer by name earned those points. And you didn't purchase that offer. Now you might think that the important thing is not which offer you bought, but the fact you spent loyalty at all, but that's not the case. You aren't being rewarded for effort, you're being rewarded for doing the correct thing, no different than blocking at the right time, intercepting at the right time, selling stash at the right time.

    You might also think that because you are a spending customer you deserve special treatment. However, that's not what you pay for. You pay for an enhanced game experience where your cash grants you access to stuff other players of the game don't get. But you do not pay for special privileges, and you do not pay for a special set of rules. The premise of the game (as is true for most massively multiplayer games as a service) is that everyone plays the same game. Spenders get certain bonuses, but then outside of those bonuses you play the same game. So either the game operator should reverse this mistake for everyone, or no one. Specifically calling out that as a spending player you believe you deserve better misunderstands the relationship you have with the game as a spender.

    A lot of online game players believe that their relationship with the game operator is like a buyer and a supplier. They are paying money for the supplier to get what they want for their money, and they have a say in what the supplier gets. They can say they don't like the food at a restaurant, or return a pair of shoes to the store, or whatever. But the relationship is much closer to that between park attendees and theme park employees. The park employees' job is to maintain the park and keep it running smoothly. Beyond that they can try to be of service when assistance is needed, but it is not their responsibility to correct your mistakes if you buy the wrong ticket or stand in the wrong line or drop your hotdog. They *might* if they feel it is appropriate, but few people would think that was their *responsibility* to do.

    I deal with customer service all the time, in literally every industry. I don't know why so many online game players have such a skewed perspective on how customer service works. I recently had an interaction with customer support for an issue regarding a service that was costing me eight thousand dollars, and because of an error on my part involving *literally* a single character mistake, I ended up spending several hours of my time and nine thousands more dollars to correct it. This was literally a mistake that could theoretically be fixed by changing a word on a form. But no one had the authority to do it. That's how the real world works, outside of restaurants kowtowing to Karens to avoid being Yelp-bombed.
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 22,597 ★★★★★
    Frnkielo said:

    Frnkielo said:

    So...you think because you spend money, it entitles you to a different recourse than someone that doesn't spend money? Even after you made the mistake? And you're trying to threaten them saying you don't want to play anymore, again because of your own admitted mistake,?

    This whole mentality is why working in retail these days is terrible. I understand it's frustrating not to get the milestone but again, you made the mistake. Why can't you accept that there isn't anything to do and be mad at yourself instead of blaming the company for following their rules? They haven't been making any changes to anyone's accounts because of points earned etc..

    There’s always someone who comes aggressive..re read what I wrote where I said spending or not spending doesn’t matter..also asked what people think..ease up on the coffee
    I read everything you wrote and that's not what you said. But this is what I am referring to-
    Frnkielo said:


    I was told flat out no..I requested to speak to someone else because I do spend money in this game and from a business perspective I couldn’t understand why kabam wasn’t helping a customer out.

    You threw in "spending or not doesn't matter" at the end after all the entitlement. On top of that, your idle threats of leaving the game because you didn't get what you wanted. Again, you don't truly own up to your mistake at all. They haven't been fixing many of the errors because points are involved in this event.

    I am sure they gave you a perfectly good reason as well which is why you haven't posted the responses from support. They don't tell you "flat out no" or "too bad". They give you a reason for not reversing the transaction. You just don't like that they didn't do it for you.
    I literally said they said had I not opened the 7 star they would reverse it…I don’t need it reversed…and I literally said I know it’s my mistake…you and the other guy “used” to work in retail…poor customer service probably why you both got fired

    I've never been fired and I still work in retail. If I offered a solution to my customer and they refused, I would say no as well.

    You're probably happy with the pull that you got which is why you're refusing to have them take it from your account.

    In your initial post you said the said "too bad" and "flat out no" and now you've admitted that they gave you a solution. Again, this type of mentality is what's wrong with customers like you. You hide the actual details of what really happen and every piece of it is something you did or won't do.
  • FrnkieloFrnkielo Member Posts: 311 ★★
    DNA3000 said:

    Frnkielo said:

    I’m just wondering what other people think about the situation. Honestly it’s making not want to play and essentially pay a company for a game that doesn’t help out or listen to its customers. Yes this is a game but it’s a business also. Do you guys think kabam should I’ve credited me the 1,000 solo even points even though I used the loyalty in the wrong spot or an I expecting too much

    I think you're expecting too much. In situations like this they can at their discretion sometimes change things, but if they reversed every mistake of every paying customer they would start making game decisions pointless.

    Everyone makes mistakes. I let glory overflow, multiple times. People let crystals vanish, they let their stash expire. These are not headaches that surround the game, they are parts of the game. There's a penalty for making a mistake in combat: you take damage. You might die. There's a penalty for allowing currency to reach the cap without spending it: you might lose it. And if there is a way to earn points in an event and you don't do that thing, you won't earn those points.

    I can understand the mistake you made. But it was still an avoidable error. The game didn't tell you that some vague random loyalty bundle earned points in the event. The game told you which specific offer by name earned those points. And you didn't purchase that offer. Now you might think that the important thing is not which offer you bought, but the fact you spent loyalty at all, but that's not the case. You aren't being rewarded for effort, you're being rewarded for doing the correct thing, no different than blocking at the right time, intercepting at the right time, selling stash at the right time.

    You might also think that because you are a spending customer you deserve special treatment. However, that's not what you pay for. You pay for an enhanced game experience where your cash grants you access to stuff other players of the game don't get. But you do not pay for special privileges, and you do not pay for a special set of rules. The premise of the game (as is true for most massively multiplayer games as a service) is that everyone plays the same game. Spenders get certain bonuses, but then outside of those bonuses you play the same game. So either the game operator should reverse this mistake for everyone, or no one. Specifically calling out that as a spending player you believe you deserve better misunderstands the relationship you have with the game as a spender.

    A lot of online game players believe that their relationship with the game operator is like a buyer and a supplier. They are paying money for the supplier to get what they want for their money, and they have a say in what the supplier gets. They can say they don't like the food at a restaurant, or return a pair of shoes to the store, or whatever. But the relationship is much closer to that between park attendees and theme park employees. The park employees' job is to maintain the park and keep it running smoothly. Beyond that they can try to be of service when assistance is needed, but it is not their responsibility to correct your mistakes if you buy the wrong ticket or stand in the wrong line or drop your hotdog. They *might* if they feel it is appropriate, but few people would think that was their *responsibility* to do.

    I deal with customer service all the time, in literally every industry. I don't know why so many online game players have such a skewed perspective on how customer service works. I recently had an interaction with customer support for an issue regarding a service that was costing me eight thousand dollars, and because of an error on my part involving *literally* a single character mistake, I ended up spending several hours of my time and nine thousands more dollars to correct it. This was literally a mistake that could theoretically be fixed by changing a word on a form. But no one had the authority to do it. That's how the real world works, outside of restaurants kowtowing to Karens to avoid being Yelp-bombed.
    I agree with a lot of this and I can see your points..I guess I just expected kabam to understand my intent was to spend in the commissary..I really don’t care for 30k Six star shards but the idea that it was a hard no since a crystal was opened..this event hasn’t gone well for them so I also thought that would be taken into consideration as a courtesy ..there was no advantage for me to use 1.5 mil in loyalty store for a crystal when that same crystal was available in commissary…clearly my error and my fault…just idea of a business understanding the customer would be nice…I do feel that they don’t care about their customer base as much as they should..but that’s business I guess…I personally don’t believe spending money in the game should grant you better customer service but if everyone was a free to play player kabam would be bankrupt so those who spend money essentially keep the lights on for them so it’s an incentive for them…without a doubt kabam does not favor those who don’t spend..they reward spenders with Sigil and daily cards and access to early content through content creator program..they are a business before they are a game and I can see how they need to keep business running

  • FrnkieloFrnkielo Member Posts: 311 ★★

    Frnkielo said:

    So...you think because you spend money, it entitles you to a different recourse than someone that doesn't spend money? Even after you made the mistake? And you're trying to threaten them saying you don't want to play anymore, again because of your own admitted mistake,?

    This whole mentality is why working in retail these days is terrible. I understand it's frustrating not to get the milestone but again, you made the mistake. Why can't you accept that there isn't anything to do and be mad at yourself instead of blaming the company for following their rules? They haven't been making any changes to anyone's accounts because of points earned etc..

    There’s always someone who comes aggressive..re read what I wrote where I said spending or not spending doesn’t matter..also asked what people think..ease up on the coffee
    I read everything you wrote and that's not what you said. But this is what I am referring to-
    Frnkielo said:


    I was told flat out no..I requested to speak to someone else because I do spend money in this game and from a business perspective I couldn’t understand why kabam wasn’t helping a customer out.

    You threw in "spending or not doesn't matter" at the end after all the entitlement. On top of that, your idle threats of leaving the game because you didn't get what you wanted. Again, you don't truly own up to your mistake at all. They haven't been fixing many of the errors because points are involved in this event.

    I am sure they gave you a perfectly good reason as well which is why you haven't posted the responses from support. They don't tell you "flat out no" or "too bad". They give you a reason for not reversing the transaction. You just don't like that they didn't do it for you.



    This was the response after asking many times why I was being responded to…this supervisor literally just said we can’t help you and go to forums

  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 22,597 ★★★★★
    Frnkielo said:

    Frnkielo said:

    So...you think because you spend money, it entitles you to a different recourse than someone that doesn't spend money? Even after you made the mistake? And you're trying to threaten them saying you don't want to play anymore, again because of your own admitted mistake,?

    This whole mentality is why working in retail these days is terrible. I understand it's frustrating not to get the milestone but again, you made the mistake. Why can't you accept that there isn't anything to do and be mad at yourself instead of blaming the company for following their rules? They haven't been making any changes to anyone's accounts because of points earned etc..

    There’s always someone who comes aggressive..re read what I wrote where I said spending or not spending doesn’t matter..also asked what people think..ease up on the coffee
    I read everything you wrote and that's not what you said. But this is what I am referring to-
    Frnkielo said:


    I was told flat out no..I requested to speak to someone else because I do spend money in this game and from a business perspective I couldn’t understand why kabam wasn’t helping a customer out.

    You threw in "spending or not doesn't matter" at the end after all the entitlement. On top of that, your idle threats of leaving the game because you didn't get what you wanted. Again, you don't truly own up to your mistake at all. They haven't been fixing many of the errors because points are involved in this event.

    I am sure they gave you a perfectly good reason as well which is why you haven't posted the responses from support. They don't tell you "flat out no" or "too bad". They give you a reason for not reversing the transaction. You just don't like that they didn't do it for you.



    This was the response after asking many times why I was being responded to…this supervisor literally just said we can’t help you and go to forums

    Again, they didn't say "too bad" or "flat out no".
  • FrnkieloFrnkielo Member Posts: 311 ★★
    “all future responses and tickets will be set to solved” means anything I say will be set to solved
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,739 ★★★★★
    Frnkielo said:

    “all future responses and tickets will be set to solved” means anything I say will be set to solved

    Which means there's nothing more they can do for you.
  • FrnkieloFrnkielo Member Posts: 311 ★★

    Frnkielo said:

    “all future responses and tickets will be set to solved” means anything I say will be set to solved

    Which means there's nothing more they can do for you.
    Which is poor customer service

  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 22,597 ★★★★★
    edited October 2023
    Frnkielo said:

    Frnkielo said:

    “all future responses and tickets will be set to solved” means anything I say will be set to solved

    Which means there's nothing more they can do for you.
    Which is poor customer service

    Dude, you were given an option. You didn't take it. It's not poor customer service because you didn't get what you wanted.

    They gave you good customer service. They gave you a choice and you made that choice.
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 22,597 ★★★★★
    Frnkielo said:

    DNA3000 said:

    Frnkielo said:

    I’m just wondering what other people think about the situation. Honestly it’s making not want to play and essentially pay a company for a game that doesn’t help out or listen to its customers. Yes this is a game but it’s a business also. Do you guys think kabam should I’ve credited me the 1,000 solo even points even though I used the loyalty in the wrong spot or an I expecting too much

    I think you're expecting too much. In situations like this they can at their discretion sometimes change things, but if they reversed every mistake of every paying customer they would start making game decisions pointless.

    Everyone makes mistakes. I let glory overflow, multiple times. People let crystals vanish, they let their stash expire. These are not headaches that surround the game, they are parts of the game. There's a penalty for making a mistake in combat: you take damage. You might die. There's a penalty for allowing currency to reach the cap without spending it: you might lose it. And if there is a way to earn points in an event and you don't do that thing, you won't earn those points.

    I can understand the mistake you made. But it was still an avoidable error. The game didn't tell you that some vague random loyalty bundle earned points in the event. The game told you which specific offer by name earned those points. And you didn't purchase that offer. Now you might think that the important thing is not which offer you bought, but the fact you spent loyalty at all, but that's not the case. You aren't being rewarded for effort, you're being rewarded for doing the correct thing, no different than blocking at the right time, intercepting at the right time, selling stash at the right time.

    You might also think that because you are a spending customer you deserve special treatment. However, that's not what you pay for. You pay for an enhanced game experience where your cash grants you access to stuff other players of the game don't get. But you do not pay for special privileges, and you do not pay for a special set of rules. The premise of the game (as is true for most massively multiplayer games as a service) is that everyone plays the same game. Spenders get certain bonuses, but then outside of those bonuses you play the same game. So either the game operator should reverse this mistake for everyone, or no one. Specifically calling out that as a spending player you believe you deserve better misunderstands the relationship you have with the game as a spender.

    A lot of online game players believe that their relationship with the game operator is like a buyer and a supplier. They are paying money for the supplier to get what they want for their money, and they have a say in what the supplier gets. They can say they don't like the food at a restaurant, or return a pair of shoes to the store, or whatever. But the relationship is much closer to that between park attendees and theme park employees. The park employees' job is to maintain the park and keep it running smoothly. Beyond that they can try to be of service when assistance is needed, but it is not their responsibility to correct your mistakes if you buy the wrong ticket or stand in the wrong line or drop your hotdog. They *might* if they feel it is appropriate, but few people would think that was their *responsibility* to do.

    I deal with customer service all the time, in literally every industry. I don't know why so many online game players have such a skewed perspective on how customer service works. I recently had an interaction with customer support for an issue regarding a service that was costing me eight thousand dollars, and because of an error on my part involving *literally* a single character mistake, I ended up spending several hours of my time and nine thousands more dollars to correct it. This was literally a mistake that could theoretically be fixed by changing a word on a form. But no one had the authority to do it. That's how the real world works, outside of restaurants kowtowing to Karens to avoid being Yelp-bombed.
    I agree with a lot of this and I can see your points..I guess I just expected kabam to understand my intent was to spend in the commissary..I really don’t care for 30k Six star shards but the idea that it was a hard no since a crystal was opened..this event hasn’t gone well for them so I also thought that would be taken into consideration as a courtesy ..there was no advantage for me to use 1.5 mil in loyalty store for a crystal when that same crystal was available in commissary…clearly my error and my fault…just idea of a business understanding the customer would be nice…I do feel that they don’t care about their customer base as much as they should..but that’s business I guess…I personally don’t believe spending money in the game should grant you better customer service but if everyone was a free to play player kabam would be bankrupt so those who spend money essentially keep the lights on for them so it’s an incentive for them…without a doubt kabam does not favor those who don’t spend..they reward spenders with Sigil and daily cards and access to early content through content creator program..they are a business before they are a game and I can see how they need to keep business running

    Also, people who spend do not have access to the content creator program.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,739 ★★★★★
    Frnkielo said:

    Frnkielo said:

    “all future responses and tickets will be set to solved” means anything I say will be set to solved

    Which means there's nothing more they can do for you.
    Which is poor customer service

    That is not poor customer service. Believe me, I could tell you some stories. I'm not saying Kabam Support is infallible. It's just like any support you deal with. Overall my experiences have been positive with them, but I've seen reports otherwise.
    In this case, they don't have access to do that. There is a limited amount of access they have to your Account, and a limited amount of actions they're at liberty to perform. It's not a Dev sitting behind the computer. Their response has been consistent over the years. If you open the Crystal, use the Resources, or otherwise change the status before you reach out to them, then there's nothing they can do.
    I had to reach out to them myself. I mistook the Points for the Loyalty Selector in the Store. I pulled T5CC Frags. Luckily, I didn't form a Cat or use them, so I got my Loyalty back. I'm sorry you had a different experience.
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Member, Guardian Posts: 20,135 Guardian
    Frnkielo said:

    This was the response after asking many times why I was being responded to…this supervisor literally just said we can’t help you and go to forums

    Yes, but they are probably responding to two different things you're saying. I don't know what you said specifically, but I suspect you said something along the lines of "I have this problem and I would like it fixed" and also "I think the event should work this way."

    Support shouldn't ever tell players if they have a problem to take it to the forums. The forums can't generally help you. But they can and will direct you to the forums to provide feedback. If you think the game should give you the same amount of points for spending in the loyalty store as in the Cap Commissary, that's feedback. You should give that feedback on the forums, because customer service cannot do much with that. But if you have an issue with the game and want specific customer support assistance, then the place to go is support.

    However, support is not telling you that if you are dissatisfied with support to complain about support on the forums. Because the official position of the moderators of the forums is if you have an issue with support you need to discuss it with support, because in general forum moderators cannot act in that regard. In rare cases where they was an obvious error they can sometimes refer those back to the developers or operations staff. But beyond that they can't override the decisions of the customer support people.
  • WednesdayLengthWednesdayLength Member Posts: 1,983 ★★★★
    Frnkielo said:

    I'm confused, i made the exact same mistake and opened a ticket and they refunded me and allowed me to buy the right bundle? literally the only reason that they wouldn't have done it was either that it was more than 3 days after you bought the wrong bundle or you opened the 7 star crystal

    I opened the crystal already before. I realized I didn’t get points..I don’t want to refund the crystal and spin again…just the solo even points..the reward isn’t even substantial..it was more about the principal that the customer service was terrible…they literally told me go to the forum and post about it in this section..they said if I didn’t open the crystal they can reverse..I’m not even asking for a reverse..I don’t even care if they don’t reset the loyalty store timer from my purchase..just credit the 1,000 points..it amounted to 30k six star shards bcuz I didn’t put up anymore points since this mishap anyway
    You're making it sound as if it's something they can just do. if you opened the crystal there's no easy way for them to check that you actually made the mistake since even if they checked your roster there's nothing to say that you didn't purchase the bundle and are just fishing for extra points. the only way they can ammend the mistake, which is what the tickets are designed to do, is to see that you have a 7 star crystal and do a straight refund. the customer service isn't terrible, you just couldn't get exactly what you wanted because as many others have said if you made the mistake and asked them once you understood it you can get it fixed but once you open that 7 star crystal it becomes a lot more complex of an issue. by the sounds of it you were hardly very pleasant with them so I don't blame them for not wanting to help you
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