Why is matchmaking bad after plat 2

This just unfair like im a legit new player and my account is cav with around 500k base hero rating. Im getting matched with people who have multiple 6* r3, r4, r5 and 7 stars. I have 2 5* r5 and 4 6* r2 like wth

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Pikolu

It is bad because you got "fair" matchmaking up to that point, and the devs decided to remove roster matchmaking completely once you get there. If the game didn't cater matchmaking before plat 2, then you never would have gotten there in the first place.

ahmynuts

GroundedWisdom

The system averages the Matches from Bronze until Plat so that people can have a reasonable start. Then the Matches become random within that Tier.
It was a trade-off so that people can engage with the game mode. The other alternative is Matches like that from the start, and that would only benefit the highest Players. No one else would get anywhere, and they wouldn't likely bother with the game mode.

CaptThunder

Dumb af logic

ahmynuts

Dumb af logic

If you would prefer not to be able to play at all, shoot support an email, maybe they can just disable the mode for you

CaptThunder

Dumb af logic
If you would prefer not to be able to play at all, shoot support an email, maybe they can just disable the mode for you

Oh yeah man its totally fair when im facing 3 mil rated legends if i was more skilled i would’ve easily been able to beat them yea thats my fault fs

BigBlueOx

It’s unfair until p2 IMO. But it should be that way to a degree to let others enjoy the mode.

Giantwalrus56

Dumb af logic

If your referring to your original post, your 100% right. If not, do like the rest of us did & build your roster. Alternatively, cry more & maybe, as mentioned above, kabam will fix it just for you. Better ask nicely though

MrSakuragi

Plat2 is higher than you should have been able to reach. Be thankful you advanced that far.

danielmath

basically you took advantage of a horrid matchmaking system that allowed you to get way further then you should, and now that matchmaking isn't as horrid you're getting crushed

DNA3000

Dumb af logic
If you would prefer not to be able to play at all, shoot support an email, maybe they can just disable the mode for you
Oh yeah man its totally fair when im facing 3 mil rated legends if i was more skilled i would’ve easily been able to beat them yea thats my fault fs

It is fair because the intent of the game mode is to find and reward the strongest players. That includes roster strength, because in this game we don't penalize players who spend time, resources, and even cash to grow their rosters. Growing roster is part of playing the game.

It would be completely unfair in this game if a player could start today, build up to Uncollected, beat up nothing but other Uncollected players, and end up ranked #1. And if you are one of the people who thinks that fair is when you are only matched against players you can win, so you should be allowed to climb the Battlegrounds ladder passing much stronger players because it would be "unfair" to actually have to beat them to overtake them because it is unfair that someone else has a bigger roster than you, you probably need to find a different game to play.

Bigger roster is how to progress in this game. Bigger roster is how you gain higher progression tiers. Bigger roster is how you defeat content with roster checks and roster requirements. Bigger roster gets you higher prestige which gets you higher rewards in AQ. Bigger roster lets you place stronger defenses and bring stronger attackers in Alliance War. Bigger roster generates more points in the arena. None of this is going to change. The game funds its existence encouraging people to chase champs and rank them up.

When Battlegrounds was using deck strength matching, I thought there were some very good things about that in terms of providing different options for game play. However, deck matching also had one very important flaw. It did not encourage players to grow roster. It didn't even penalize big rosters, it just nullified any advantage big rosters could get. That, combined with the fact that deck strength could be manipulated, were enough to kill deck matching, period (the devs said as much when that change was announced, and it was a very specific problem noted in internal discussions on the game mode).

In this game, if a player chooses to spend their time growing roster, if they choose to spend their resources ranking up good BG champs for their deck, if they choose to spend money to support the game by chasing after and ranking up strong BG champs, then those players deserve to have the benefits of all that effort reflected in their Battlegrounds experience. If we have to choose between treating the roster development effort of players fairly, or acceding to the perspectives of players who think a fair competition is one that gives them the same chance of winning as everyone else, I choose the former. And so have the devs of the game.

The NFL has a salary cap because they think that's fair. MLB doesn't because they think that's fair. Most western games, or at least game players frown on pay to win mechanics, although they all draw the line. In Asia, it is the exact opposite. It is seen as unfair if the people who spend the most do not get proportionate advantages, because their money should be worth something. Fair is relative to what the participants' collectively want to encourage and reward. Here, unquestionably, roster growth is a foundational pillar of the game, and thus there, getting the benefit of a stronger roster is not an unfair advantage.

GroundedWisdom

basically you took advantage of a horrid matchmaking system that allowed you to get way further then you should, and now that matchmaking isn't as horrid you're getting crushed

Why is it horrid? What's the alternative? Include them in the game mode and let them get stomped in Bronze 3?

ahmynuts

Lol yall are losers

You're the loser that cant get out of plat 2 and came here to complain 💀💀💀💀

danielmath

basically you took advantage of a horrid matchmaking system that allowed you to get way further then you should, and now that matchmaking isn't as horrid you're getting crushed
Why is it horrid? What's the alternative? Include them in the game mode and let them get stomped in Bronze 3?

Absolutely, or have separate battlegrounds with different rewards. If there’s only one, matchmaking should be completely random. Anything else is garbage

Zuro

Lol yall are losers

Bro didn't get the answer he wanted now he's crying 💀

Giantwalrus56

basically you took advantage of a horrid matchmaking system that allowed you to get way further then you should, and now that matchmaking isn't as horrid you're getting crushed
Why is it horrid? What's the alternative? Include them in the game mode and let them get stomped in Bronze 3?

It's not like they haven't received rewards on their climb to platinum. Now, it's their choice on what to use those rewards on. Rank up resources is what I would choose, especially if I wanted to stay competitive. Others maybe not so much. Personally I see no issues with present matchmaking system. As like most things, there's always room for improvement. As DNA & others have mentioned, one of the more important ways to be able to climb, is by building & ranking up rosters. No one can tell them how to use their rewards. But the constant complaining that matchmaking is "unfair" after plat 2, is getting, actually already is stale

Edit- in no way am I assuming that building your roster will guarantee wins. At least, it begins to level the playing field

GroundedWisdom

basically you took advantage of a horrid matchmaking system that allowed you to get way further then you should, and now that matchmaking isn't as horrid you're getting crushed
Why is it horrid? What's the alternative? Include them in the game mode and let them get stomped in Bronze 3?
Absolutely, or have separate battlegrounds with different rewards. If there’s only one, matchmaking should be completely random. Anything else is garbage

That can't work. You can't include Players of all levels from a certain point up, and tell them to suck it up and expect them to continue playing the game mode.
You can say it's garbage, but unless there's something evening out the possibility of being pinballed at the gate, they're not going to play. No one would.
You also need Players to want to play because the game mode depends on a certain amount of participation.
It's also the single largest source of a great deal of Rewards that assist progress at this point in the game, so telling them to go do something else is actually detrimental to their progress.
What we have is something that compromises so that Players can have a modicum of a fair start and engage. I'm all for them having to reach a plateau eventually. Encouraging them to play BGs and then stopping them at the door is just ignorant. Whether it's done by the Players, or Kabam.

danielmath

basically you took advantage of a horrid matchmaking system that allowed you to get way further then you should, and now that matchmaking isn't as horrid you're getting crushed
Why is it horrid? What's the alternative? Include them in the game mode and let them get stomped in Bronze 3?
Absolutely, or have separate battlegrounds with different rewards. If there’s only one, matchmaking should be completely random. Anything else is garbage
That can't work. You can't include Players of all levels from a certain point up, and tell them to suck it up and expect them to continue playing the game mode.
You can say it's garbage, but unless there's something evening out the possibility of being pinballed at the gate, they're not going to play. No one would.
You also need Players to want to play because the game mode depends on a certain amount of participation.
It's also the single largest source of a great deal of Rewards that assist progress at this point in the game, so telling them to go do something else is actually detrimental to their progress.
What we have is something that compromises so that Players can have a modicum of a fair start and engage. I'm all for them having to reach a plateau eventually. Encouraging them to play BGs and then stopping them at the door is just ignorant. Whether it's done by the Players, or Kabam.

So should OP be able to finish ahead of beroman or whoever is number 1? It makes no sense what so ever for OP to play all cupcakes leading up to plat 2 while someone else has to play all tough matches up to plat 2. I know you're completely against fair play based on all the nonsense you always said about war so this is no different.

Demonzfyre

Here we go again.

BigBlueOx

Could always just get rid of the VT and move rewards to objectives and the solo event. It’s an unnecessary grind anyways that was created to stop these type of violin posts. Just have the whole mode shake out in GC where your score determines match making and nothing else

laserjohn26

Match making is bad before p2. There the algorithm doesn't make you play everyone even think you are playing for the same rewards. You only play bad players. Once you get to p2 the matchmaking is correct. So be glad they rig the system and give it a ton of the best rewards you couldn't earn in any other game mode.

GroundedWisdom

basically you took advantage of a horrid matchmaking system that allowed you to get way further then you should, and now that matchmaking isn't as horrid you're getting crushed
Why is it horrid? What's the alternative? Include them in the game mode and let them get stomped in Bronze 3?
Absolutely, or have separate battlegrounds with different rewards. If there’s only one, matchmaking should be completely random. Anything else is garbage
That can't work. You can't include Players of all levels from a certain point up, and tell them to suck it up and expect them to continue playing the game mode.
You can say it's garbage, but unless there's something evening out the possibility of being pinballed at the gate, they're not going to play. No one would.
You also need Players to want to play because the game mode depends on a certain amount of participation.
It's also the single largest source of a great deal of Rewards that assist progress at this point in the game, so telling them to go do something else is actually detrimental to their progress.
What we have is something that compromises so that Players can have a modicum of a fair start and engage. I'm all for them having to reach a plateau eventually. Encouraging them to play BGs and then stopping them at the door is just ignorant. Whether it's done by the Players, or Kabam.
So should OP be able to finish ahead of beroman or whoever is number 1? It makes no sense what so ever for OP to play all cupcakes leading up to plat 2 while someone else has to play all tough matches up to plat 2. I know you're completely against fair play based on all the nonsense you always said about war so this is no different.

I'm not getting into War here. That game mode has suffered, and now you have a bunch of Allies that don't even try anymore. I had points then, and I have more now, but it doesn't matter.
This isn't the same. This is a PVP mode, with individual Account progress tied into it, and a greater range we're talking about. There are many different levels of skill and progress at play than a team effort.
You say it's cupcakes to Plat 2, I disagree. It's not cupcakes. It's Matches that are challenging enough for where they're at in the game. It's a huge difference from a seasoned Player running an Alt that has very little issue at all. It's also not easy because a seasoned Player could take out the opponents they come up against easily with their seasoned Roster. These discussions always tend to have one-sided perspectives, and what's almost always overlooked is it's not that easy for them. Just for the anti perspectives.
As to your first point, no. I don't think the OP should play up to first unless they play and win. I already said I have no issues with the drop-off in Plat. If you're saying the fair start is bogus, that I take issue with.

TyEdge

This just unfair like im a legit new player and my account is cav with around 500k base hero rating. Im getting matched with people who have multiple 6* r3, r4, r5 and 7 stars. I have 2 5* r5 and 4 6* r2 like wth

Maybe Kabam should do matchmaking your way and you should never grow your roster so you can continue to beat up on below average summoners with below average rosters. Yeah, that’s a way to run a successful game.

Congratulations on getting a practical free pass into p2. Those are insane rewards for an account with so little. Truly generous on Kabam’s part.

CaptThunder

This just unfair like im a legit new player and my account is cav with around 500k base hero rating. Im getting matched with people who have multiple 6* r3, r4, r5 and 7 stars. I have 2 5* r5 and 4 6* r2 like wth
Maybe Kabam should do matchmaking your way and you should never grow your roster so you can continue to beat up on below average summoners with below average rosters. Yeah, that’s a way to run a successful game.

Congratulations on getting a practical free pass into p2. Those are insane rewards for an account with so little. Truly generous on Kabam’s part.

When i was in bronze silver and gold i still went up against people with like 300k to 400k more power than me lmao. It isnt like I won every match i played b4 plat 2. But in plat 2 i go up against 1 mil, 2 mil and 3 mil accounts and i cant progress forward. It took me almost the entire bg season to get to plat 2 aswell lmao, all im asking is for fair matchmaking like how it was b4 plat 2 is that wrong to ask for

CaptThunder

Lol yall are losers
You're the loser that cant get out of plat 2 and came here to complain 💀💀💀💀

Calling me a loser lmao i see yo name on every single post yo full time job is responding to mcoc forum posts like get a life damn

Greekhit

Question:
"Why is matchmaking bad after plat 2?"
Answer:
"Because it's broken from Bronze 3 up to Platinum 2"
Comment:
With seeding enabled, matchmaking should be RANDOM starting from Bronze 3. There is absolutely zero reason and excuse to accommodate smaller accounts, in disadvantage of bigger ones. This whole Prestige Matchmaking BS is creating false expectations for them and ultimately entitlement, believing they can (and deserve) to advance through VT and compete with the big guys, for the top spots and rewards.
Whoever wants to compete, they'd better progress their accounts, through more playing or paying.
It's really that simple.
Why should a few month's old UC account have the same odds to progress through VT, as a several years thousands of $ Paragon account?
What's the point of playing or paying to progress an account, if that's the case?
Some people really need a reality check.

Pikolu

Lol yall are losers
You're the loser that cant get out of plat 2 and came here to complain 💀💀💀💀
Calling me a loser lmao i see yo name on every single post yo full time job is responding to mcoc forum posts like get a life damn

You see every forum post? You might want to rethink the last thing you said to them and reflect on your own actions.

Ortoun

Question:
"Why is matchmaking bad after plat 2?"
Answer:
"Because it's broken from Bronze 3 up to Platinum 2"
Comment:
With seeding enabled, matchmaking should be RANDOM starting from Bronze 3. There is absolutely zero reason and excuse to accommodate smaller accounts, in disadvantage of bigger ones. This whole Prestige Matchmaking BS is creating false expectations for them and ultimately entitlement, believing they can (and deserve) to advance through VT and compete with the big guys, for the top spots and rewards.
Whoever wants to compete, they'd better progress their accounts, through more playing or paying.
It's really that simple.
Why should a few month's old UC account have the same odds to progress through VT, as a several years thousands of $ Paragon account?
What's the point of playing or paying to progress an account, if that's the case?
Some people really need a reality check.

Couldn't agree more. The second they started seeding they should have completely opened matchmaking at all tiers. Sure, would be some pain for lower accounts for the first season or two, but it would shake out fairly quickly and it would both give people a much more realistic view of what the mode actually entails, while also be more fair.

GroundedWisdom

Question:
"Why is matchmaking bad after plat 2?"
Answer:
"Because it's broken from Bronze 3 up to Platinum 2"
Comment:
With seeding enabled, matchmaking should be RANDOM starting from Bronze 3. There is absolutely zero reason and excuse to accommodate smaller accounts, in disadvantage of bigger ones. This whole Prestige Matchmaking BS is creating false expectations for them and ultimately entitlement, believing they can (and deserve) to advance through VT and compete with the big guys, for the top spots and rewards.
Whoever wants to compete, they'd better progress their accounts, through more playing or paying.
It's really that simple.
Why should a few month's old UC account have the same odds to progress through VT, as a several years thousands of $ Paragon account?
What's the point of playing or paying to progress an account, if that's the case?
Some people really need a reality check.

How is removing that buffer going to change anything when Players are starting in Plat either way? I'm not following how it's unfair. It isn't hurting anyone above Plat, actually. It isn't going to change anything. It's a protection system so that people aren't taken advantage of at the gate, and it isn't even a complete failsafe because any older Player can start an Alt and steamroll someone. At the end of the day, you have to accept that there are more Players who matter than just the ones who have an issue with people complaining.
Let them complain. The complaints will die eventually. The problem with expecting the game mode to be too hard from the onset is you get more flies with honey than vinegar.

GroundedWisdom

Then we have UCs coming next Season. Which means more Players are going to get over it.
I'd rather they stop letting lower Players in than using them as bait.