How to win at BGs - secret tips

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  • wappykidwappykid Member Posts: 94
    Is there a special system that determines who is first to draft I always thought it was a 50:50
  • StatureStature Member Posts: 474 ★★★
    Milan1405 said:

    Stature said:

    Milan1405 said:

    Picking second is a slight advantage but equally that can be more than nullified by drafting strategy and all the factors I listed above. Also take careful mental notes on the best champions of your opponent so you can plan accordingly when drafting. E.g if my opponent has a bunch of strong mystics I will try to draft my top science champs and pick no cosmics. Or if he has a R5 zemo, attuma and korg then I will be trying to draft and even re-rolling for my kitty pryde or bishop.

    I'm happy to take the bet that no one at the top of BG (say top 1,000 or 2,000) has been locked into picking first. That should be enough proof of the advantage it provides. If you are picking first 100% of the time, you'll be at least 2-3 levels below where you can be.
    I don't think anyone picks first 100% of the time, it is supposed to random right? I pick first sometimes, and second other times. I don't keep count but it feels about even. Also I have beaten some of the best players in the world having picked second. Draft luck, deck strength and skill are all far more important.
    Are you joking? There are so many threads from people who have been locked into picking first. I have played over 60 games and picked first once.

    If it was random, the chance of that happening is so small that it isn't worth mentioning. It is either a bug or deliberate manipulation to manage win rates. Either way, who picks first isn't random. Some players are handed preset advantages. Picking those players might be random.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,644 ★★★★★
    Greekhit said:

    Tip 17:
    Always, but always ban Torch by any means, even if he is a 5* at the lower end of your opponent’s deck.
    If you don’t, your opponent will 100% draft him and will 100% win a round.

    I've added CGR to that list as well.
  • Milan1405Milan1405 Member Posts: 952 ★★★★
    Stature said:

    Milan1405 said:

    Stature said:

    Milan1405 said:

    Picking second is a slight advantage but equally that can be more than nullified by drafting strategy and all the factors I listed above. Also take careful mental notes on the best champions of your opponent so you can plan accordingly when drafting. E.g if my opponent has a bunch of strong mystics I will try to draft my top science champs and pick no cosmics. Or if he has a R5 zemo, attuma and korg then I will be trying to draft and even re-rolling for my kitty pryde or bishop.

    I'm happy to take the bet that no one at the top of BG (say top 1,000 or 2,000) has been locked into picking first. That should be enough proof of the advantage it provides. If you are picking first 100% of the time, you'll be at least 2-3 levels below where you can be.
    I don't think anyone picks first 100% of the time, it is supposed to random right? I pick first sometimes, and second other times. I don't keep count but it feels about even. Also I have beaten some of the best players in the world having picked second. Draft luck, deck strength and skill are all far more important.
    Are you joking? There are so many threads from people who have been locked into picking first. I have played over 60 games and picked first once.

    If it was random, the chance of that happening is so small that it isn't worth mentioning. It is either a bug or deliberate manipulation to manage win rates. Either way, who picks first isn't random. Some players are handed preset advantages. Picking those players might be random.
    Well people on the forums say all kinds of things so how can I know the truth from the waffle? I never hear anyone say they are lucky enough to pick second even 90% of the time, even though the forums seem to say that there must be a bunch of these people based on the amount of threads I see about people "picking first 100% of the time."

    From my personal experience it's about 50/50 and I don't see any reason for kabam to handpick random players to go first all the time and others to go second all the time? If this is happening then it would suck for those people, but any youtube stream I watch, the youtuber seems to get a mix of going first and second, so I have seen no evidence of this happening personally. If that happens to so many people they should record all their bg fights or direct me to a youtube stream of this happening and kabam should definitely be alerted to this and should fix it.

    Back to my original point, I said picking second is certainly an advantage but definitely not a top 5 deciding factor. Roster strength, draft strategy, player skill, champion and matchup knowledge, banning strategy, mastery setup as well as draft pick luck are all far more important.
  • StatureStature Member Posts: 474 ★★★
    Milan1405 said:

    Stature said:

    Milan1405 said:

    Stature said:

    Milan1405 said:

    Picking second is a slight advantage but equally that can be more than nullified by drafting strategy and all the factors I listed above. Also take careful mental notes on the best champions of your opponent so you can plan accordingly when drafting. E.g if my opponent has a bunch of strong mystics I will try to draft my top science champs and pick no cosmics. Or if he has a R5 zemo, attuma and korg then I will be trying to draft and even re-rolling for my kitty pryde or bishop.

    I'm happy to take the bet that no one at the top of BG (say top 1,000 or 2,000) has been locked into picking first. That should be enough proof of the advantage it provides. If you are picking first 100% of the time, you'll be at least 2-3 levels below where you can be.
    I don't think anyone picks first 100% of the time, it is supposed to random right? I pick first sometimes, and second other times. I don't keep count but it feels about even. Also I have beaten some of the best players in the world having picked second. Draft luck, deck strength and skill are all far more important.
    Are you joking? There are so many threads from people who have been locked into picking first. I have played over 60 games and picked first once.

    If it was random, the chance of that happening is so small that it isn't worth mentioning. It is either a bug or deliberate manipulation to manage win rates. Either way, who picks first isn't random. Some players are handed preset advantages. Picking those players might be random.
    Well people on the forums say all kinds of things so how can I know the truth from the waffle? I never hear anyone say they are lucky enough to pick second even 90% of the time, even though the forums seem to say that there must be a bunch of these people based on the amount of threads I see about people "picking first 100% of the time."

    From my personal experience it's about 50/50 and I don't see any reason for kabam to handpick random players to go first all the time and others to go second all the time? If this is happening then it would suck for those people, but any youtube stream I watch, the youtuber seems to get a mix of going first and second, so I have seen no evidence of this happening personally. If that happens to so many people they should record all their bg fights or direct me to a youtube stream of this happening and kabam should definitely be alerted to this and should fix it.

    Back to my original point, I said picking second is certainly an advantage but definitely not a top 5 deciding factor. Roster strength, draft strategy, player skill, champion and matchup knowledge, banning strategy, mastery setup as well as draft pick luck are all far more important.
    Why would people lie about having to pick first. I'm sure there are people who are picking second all the time. There are enough posts to let the team know about it, they have been directly tagged too. Doesn't look like they care.
  • HungaryHippoHungaryHippo Member Posts: 1,084 ★★★★
    And get to the highest points you think you can get and camp there.
  • TheHeroDeservedTheHeroDeserved Member Posts: 760 ★★★
    Greekhit said:

    Tip 17:
    Always, but always ban Torch by any means, even if he is a 5* at the lower end of your opponent’s deck.
    If you don’t, your opponent will 100% draft him and will 100% win a round.

    Like this?


  • TheHeroDeservedTheHeroDeserved Member Posts: 760 ★★★
    edited November 2023
    Tip 27: have i.e. AA, HT and CGR in your deck even though you end up banning them. That makes it easier to pull your wanted champ, with 6 champions banned from your deck.
  • WinterFieldsWinterFields Member Posts: 786 ★★★★

    Greekhit said:

    Tip 17:
    Always, but always ban Torch by any means, even if he is a 5* at the lower end of your opponent’s deck.
    If you don’t, your opponent will 100% draft him and will 100% win a round.

    Like this?


    Though Zemo is actually not a hard defender. Just intercept and bait his SP1 without using debuffs
  • TheHeroDeservedTheHeroDeserved Member Posts: 760 ★★★
    Milan1405 said:

    I mean Idk what happened there. Nimgod should have won with 50k +

    Definitely. It was more the HT against Hazard Shift Zemo that was interesting.
  • WOLF_LINKWOLF_LINK Member Posts: 1,376 ★★★★

    Milan1405 said:

    I mean Idk what happened there. Nimgod should have won with 50k +

    Definitely. It was more the HT against Hazard Shift Zemo that was interesting.
    Nova Flame is not triggering Zemo cause of it‘s passive nature. And Willpower will heal back solid numbers?
  • Graves_3Graves_3 Member Posts: 1,560 ★★★★★
    WOLF_LINK said:

    Milan1405 said:

    I mean Idk what happened there. Nimgod should have won with 50k +

    Definitely. It was more the HT against Hazard Shift Zemo that was interesting.
    Nova Flame is not triggering Zemo cause of it‘s passive nature. And Willpower will heal back solid numbers?
    Torch is not tactic defender so shouldn’t heal from the debuff. Finishing at 100% health is highly suspicious
  • Milan1405Milan1405 Member Posts: 952 ★★★★
    Graves_3 said:

    WOLF_LINK said:

    Milan1405 said:

    I mean Idk what happened there. Nimgod should have won with 50k +

    Definitely. It was more the HT against Hazard Shift Zemo that was interesting.
    Nova Flame is not triggering Zemo cause of it‘s passive nature. And Willpower will heal back solid numbers?
    Torch is not tactic defender so shouldn’t heal from the debuff. Finishing at 100% health is highly suspicious
    Yes i am confused too. I guess maybe he had a very solid mastery setup with 9/9 greater vitality so he healed more from willpower with max recovery, then also max coagulate and maybe max pacify to reduce the chance for hazard shift and then inequity to help out?
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