Aight guys, i'm gonna summon the keyboard god @DNA3000 what are your thoughts about the current inflation of the game? Specially when it comes to 7*, after CW and now this cold water bucket that we got after the new downgrade ''upgraded'' version of the banquet, it seems like the inflation of the game has a few issues
i'm not DNAGOD3000 but this is what it looks like:
they exploded out of the gates too fast with 7s and we're already at rank 3 and they need to slow down.
this is how they're slowing things down, by targeting others...pushing TB'er and early paragon progression and nudging veteran paragons to use their units on necropolis exploration instead.
this event is literally geared to TB'ers, early paragons, and the super fat mega blubbery whales.
veteran paragons and valiants already had their noon feeding so it's not for them.
why are we seeing "inflation"? ie. crummy lesser rewards for the same price or higher? because it's not designed for us. same reason why uncollected cyber weekend deals are awful for valiant level players....because it's not meant for us....
I was already concerned when the rewards for the bg brawl were 1 7* rank 3 and i was like ''wait, there's not a single piece of t4 alpha in the game now and we need 3 of them to do a rank 2->3, now someone is getting a full rank 3?'' and i remember some arguments were like ''on it's only 1 guy in the world and etc'' and now, not that much longer, i already have a rank 3 and a lot of other people too NOBODY was asking for a rank 3 before bg brawl, they could've easily offer a rank 2 gem and in addition some of the materials to do a rank 3 but not all of it, people would've been happy I think bg brawl was when things just went off the rail
This is true - we really didn't need 7r3 until maybe march/April 2024. They accelerated this economy and now they are desperately trying to slow it down after cashing in on CW.
No serious paragon+ player is asking for 7R3 mats..but 7r2 and 6r4/6r5 mats and more 7* shards would be adequate given where they have pushed things to.
It’s like Kabam forgot an entire step or two in normal progression. Of course that’s easy to do when every YouTuber got a roster full of rank 5 6 stars and rank2 7 stars after July 4th. You know some of us in December would still like a couple of those. Instead - it’s “oh, we can’t have R3 mats just running around… so back to 6 stars and some catalysts that might help you R4 one of those bad boys, Merry Christmas! “
only problem with the above is that this is available to all players, which throws off game economy. should uncollected players have access to titan crystals?
or maybe they add the 2 milestones by progression to paragons and valiants...
That would work too man. Generic ir class based 6R5 and or 7R2 or just do the unit deals to have the 6R5 on the Black Panther and 7R2 on the Odin or just the 6r5 on the Odin but increase the limit to 5 brother. That would be awesome.
Literally Kabam, legit, just add 2 exclusive milestones for Paragon+ players in Solo and Alliance milestones, totalling for 4, problem solved. WE. DO. NOT. WANT. 7R3. GEMS. IN. MILESTONES. stop using that as an excuse to give us dogwater rewards.
First of all no one wanted 7 stars .All we wanted was the game to be more enjoyable(but adding more modes,sick animation and everything).But kabam's greed destroyed it all. we were all happy to have 6s champs.It doesn't make sense to add 7 stars(atleast for quite some time) if you were gonna add relics and ascension dust after introducing 7 stars.If you would have introduced ascension 1 year ago and 7 stars 3 months ago we would have taken it(banquet rewards)happily.But kabam didn't do things accordingly and someone has to face the consequences.But you are just trying desperately to slow it down now.It's like someone has radiated the whole area and now trying to find a way to make the land fertilized.(lol where's this example coming from?)
Yeah it has been said multiple times but "same milestone rewards" doesn't justify anything. The game has evolved, the items that were very good value last year (for example 1t6b and 1 t3a) are less valuable now because they can be more easily acquired elsewhere. I don't get how they don't understand this.
Kabam Miiike, how can you honestly say you don't see the problem with these rewards with a straight face? 5 star hero nexus crystals? That was considered a great reward in 2020, a very good reward in 2021, an okay reward in 2022, and here we are in 2023 I think it's safe to say that it's a complete throwaway for anybody who is above Cavalier- like the entire core of your player base. And then the some of the alliance rewards. Really? A 3 star relic? That'd be downright laughable if it didn't feel like an insult at this point in the game. Even a 4 star relic is a very weak reward for any tier here.
The actionable item is to separate rewards by progression. Sure, maybe the 5 star nexus will be great for a conquerer account but for all of us who haven't touched a 5 star this year, it's as close to nothing as you can get. So you can't make rewards that aren't too busted for new accounts but also feel satisfying for deep accounts, then don't. Make a tier of rewards (and crystals, while you're at it, because if I get t2A or t5b for 300 units then I will have to take a break from MCOC for a while) for Thronebreaker+ and one for everyone below. Or make drop rates of better items proportional to progression level - something as simple as giving meta items a player_title_int_val - 3% boost and vice versa for "bad" drops. As is, I see no incentive to spend many units or much cash this year because these rewards are great for Uncollected and terrible for Paragon.
Unhappy/unwilling consumers won't spend on anything.
The company feels the effects of the loss of revenue.
They do better ASAP to ensure they don't continue to lose money or a loyal consumer base that is their primary source of income.
Summary: There should have been some consideration for the demographic that have a reason to spend more, not pretending act 1 players will have 6* R5s tomorrow because of rewards updated for the current meta.
The gap between conqueror players and endgame level players gets bigger and bigger every year, and we've reached a point where you can't do anymore events where those get the same rewards or someone will obviously get either disappointed ( endgame players) or get too many good things (conqueror players). From next year onward there needs to be a progression based banquet event where conqueror players wont get too much of an advantage and valiant players will not get too disappointed.
Mike gave a level headed and warm response in regards to the reward milestones and it was a good response however it was still a bit flawed and even little contradictory if u consider the fact that the milestones don't have even 5% of what the top ranked rewards offer.
Regardless of this the concern is fair in terms of the business perspective so its upto us to offer actionable suggestions in the forums as Mike said. So
Number 1 on that list would be to make the points system back to how it was. The point nerf is unnecessary and doesn't make sense if Kabam's concern was on the oversupply of 7 stars or their mats. And Mike's comparison and logic of relic vs abyss nexus fails here because 4k units was enough to give you all the top rewards last time whereas that same 4k units don't even get you halfway this time around and the fun fact is you get nearly the exact same rewards as last time for this range so how is it more worthy in terms of the game's progression. Even double that and put 8k units still only gets u the abyss nexus which is also not close to the top.
Number 2 would be to reduce the crystal cost to 150-200 units if points system remains the same. This can be more the profitable option for them since opening free GBC won't give as much points.
Bonus changes they can do which the top players have also suggested is to add some exclusive progression gated milestones too along with this at least from Cav or Tb. This is harder to implement so no hopes for this time around but can be a good idea for next year. But they should at least implement ideas 1 or 2 if they truly want to make some changes for the best of players and the event.
Yeah it has been said multiple times but "same milestone rewards" doesn't justify anything. The game has evolved, the items that were very good value last year (for example 1t6b and 1 t3a) are less valuable now because they can be more easily acquired elsewhere. I don't get how they don't understand this.
It’s not just that they can be acquired elsewhere. It’s what those resources mean in terms of our rosters. Last year, I had no r5 champs and 7-stars didn’t exist.
Now I’ve 100%ed EoP vol 3, Carina 7 for 7, and both story chapters released this year. I’ll get my 16th 6r5 during the next level up and I have a 7r3 and 3 more 7r2 among 22 7-stars.
I get 2 t6b and 2 t3a per week with BG trophies and glory (combined). WHY would I possibly be excited about one of each placed most of the way through the milestones for this event?
Things that are meaningful to me: t6b, t3a, t6cc, ascension dust, 7-star shards. Notice how I didn’t list t4a here. I’m perfectly fine deepening the top of my roster instead of raising the ceiling.
Things that aren’t meaningful: t5b, t2a, t5cc, and portions of 6-star shards that’ll inevitably turn into random dupes for a pittance of 7-star shards.
The reason I felt it was important to highlight these catalysts (T4B, T2A, T5B) was because they were considered high value - more on value later. That is showing here today in these Banquet event rewards. The moment a new rarity appears, the previous top rarity slowly starts losing its value. This is proportional to the new rarity pool developing. I think Ascension really helps with that. For anyone that doesn't have a top 6 star already ranked up, will surely use the rank up materials (T4B, T2A, T5B) and look to ascend them as well. This keeps 6 stars relevant and competitive for far much longer. It is a little too late for 5 stars when it comes to end game players or whales but still gives a longer shelf life to 5 stars for the progressing players. There are still a lot of players that join the game today that can benefit from these catalysts and Ascension.
Value - The value of the catalysts, as expected, has been shifting with the progression of the game too. Newer rarity, higher rank, less use of previously coveted catalyst. However, value takes a little more hit when there are multiple ways of acquiring said catalysts. We can acquire catalysts via Units, Loyalty, Battleground Tokens, and Glory. This just speeds up ranking up of champs (limited by Gold and ISO of course).
Speaking of acquiring catalysts via Units, the VALUE of a T2A is 20 Units. Greater Banquet Crystal will most likely have the highest chance of acquiring 5x T2A. This is an equivalent Unit value of 100 Units. It will cost 300 Units for a GBC with likely return equivalent to 100 Units. Increasing the number of T2A to 10 or even a 100 wouldn't matter since we can't sell T2A.
I understand that this is not the right place to ask this question, however, it is about time T4CC and T2A be allowed to be sold. They cannot be used after taking a 6 star to R3 and neither has any use for a 7 star. It can be locked by progression to impede newer summoners jumping through content faster with champs too strong for content tailored to their progression level so they don't hit a wall. For many of us, there will be a plethora of T2A in overflow after the Banquet this year and that is a huge turn-off.
In addition to enabling selling some catalysts, the Banquet should be progression gated. We have solo events gated by progression, crystals gated by progression, sales gated by progression, arenas gated by progression, and so on. Why can we not have Banquet gated by progression when it is an event and a crucial one at that similar to July 4th and Cyber Weekend sales?
The reason I felt it was important to highlight these catalysts (T4B, T2A, T5B) was because they were considered high value - more on value later. That is showing here today in these Banquet event rewards. The moment a new rarity appears, the previous top rarity slowly starts losing its value. This is proportional to the new rarity pool developing. I think Ascension really helps with that. For anyone that doesn't have a top 6 star already ranked up, will surely use the rank up materials (T4B, T2A, T5B) and look to ascend them as well. This keeps 6 stars relevant and competitive for far much longer. It is a little too late for 5 stars when it comes to end game players or whales but still gives a longer shelf life to 5 stars for the progressing players. There are still a lot of players that join the game today that can benefit from these catalysts and Ascension.
Value - The value of the catalysts, as expected, has been shifting with the progression of the game too. Newer rarity, higher rank, less use of previously coveted catalyst. However, value takes a little more hit when there are multiple ways of acquiring said catalysts. We can acquire catalysts via Units, Loyalty, Battleground Tokens, and Glory. This just speeds up ranking up of champs (limited by Gold and ISO of course).
Speaking of acquiring catalysts via Units, the VALUE of a T2A is 20 Units. Greater Banquet Crystal will most likely have the highest chance of acquiring 5x T2A. This is an equivalent Unit value of 100 Units. It will cost 300 Units for a GBC with likely return equivalent to 100 Units. Increasing the number of T2A to 10 or even a 100 wouldn't matter since we can't sell T2A.
I understand that this is not the right place to ask this question, however, it is about time T4CC and T2A be allowed to be sold. They cannot be used after taking a 6 star to R3 and neither has any use for a 7 star. It can be locked by progression to impede newer summoners jumping through content faster with champs too strong for content tailored to their progression level so they don't hit a wall. For many of us, there will be a plethora of T2A in overflow after the Banquet this year and that is a huge turn-off.
My brother in Christ…you can absolutely sell that nonsense now.
Giving out one or two 7-star crystals, 5K titan shards, 10-20% T4A shards, a couple of T6CC selectors wouldn't break the progress/economy of the game, but will make the community happy with the event.
It is a easy fix, it's just matter of if Kabam wants to listen or not.
The reason I felt it was important to highlight these catalysts (T4B, T2A, T5B) was because they were considered high value - more on value later. That is showing here today in these Banquet event rewards. The moment a new rarity appears, the previous top rarity slowly starts losing its value. This is proportional to the new rarity pool developing. I think Ascension really helps with that. For anyone that doesn't have a top 6 star already ranked up, will surely use the rank up materials (T4B, T2A, T5B) and look to ascend them as well. This keeps 6 stars relevant and competitive for far much longer. It is a little too late for 5 stars when it comes to end game players or whales but still gives a longer shelf life to 5 stars for the progressing players. There are still a lot of players that join the game today that can benefit from these catalysts and Ascension.
Value - The value of the catalysts, as expected, has been shifting with the progression of the game too. Newer rarity, higher rank, less use of previously coveted catalyst. However, value takes a little more hit when there are multiple ways of acquiring said catalysts. We can acquire catalysts via Units, Loyalty, Battleground Tokens, and Glory. This just speeds up ranking up of champs (limited by Gold and ISO of course).
Speaking of acquiring catalysts via Units, the VALUE of a T2A is 20 Units. Greater Banquet Crystal will most likely have the highest chance of acquiring 5x T2A. This is an equivalent Unit value of 100 Units. It will cost 300 Units for a GBC with likely return equivalent to 100 Units. Increasing the number of T2A to 10 or even a 100 wouldn't matter since we can't sell T2A.
I understand that this is not the right place to ask this question, however, it is about time T4CC and T2A be allowed to be sold. They cannot be used after taking a 6 star to R3 and neither has any use for a 7 star. It can be locked by progression to impede newer summoners jumping through content faster with champs too strong for content tailored to their progression level so they don't hit a wall. For many of us, there will be a plethora of T2A in overflow after the Banquet this year and that is a huge turn-off.
My brother in Christ…you can absolutely sell that nonsense now.
NO WAY!!!! I had no idea! I just checked and you are right! Thanks bro!
Well, I did my first Necro path and now I don’t know what to do.
The gifting crystals appear to stink, so that’s going to be a low participation event for me - get the dust and bail. Maybe the first 7-star.
It’ll take time to replenish revives to consider another path. I don’t know of exploration is really in my future or not.
Using units to explore feels…not great. Like each death would be its own failure. And yet there’s nothing else to do. 8.4 is probably what…Mar/April?
Same boat here. My decision is largely roster dependent. If Shuri or Wong magically appears as a 7 star in my account, I might reconsider. Otherwise, I think I am just going to keep hoarding and wait for 8.4.
The reason I felt it was important to highlight these catalysts (T4B, T2A, T5B) was because they were considered high value - more on value later. That is showing here today in these Banquet event rewards. The moment a new rarity appears, the previous top rarity slowly starts losing its value. This is proportional to the new rarity pool developing. I think Ascension really helps with that. For anyone that doesn't have a top 6 star already ranked up, will surely use the rank up materials (T4B, T2A, T5B) and look to ascend them as well. This keeps 6 stars relevant and competitive for far much longer. It is a little too late for 5 stars when it comes to end game players or whales but still gives a longer shelf life to 5 stars for the progressing players. There are still a lot of players that join the game today that can benefit from these catalysts and Ascension.
Value - The value of the catalysts, as expected, has been shifting with the progression of the game too. Newer rarity, higher rank, less use of previously coveted catalyst. However, value takes a little more hit when there are multiple ways of acquiring said catalysts. We can acquire catalysts via Units, Loyalty, Battleground Tokens, and Glory. This just speeds up ranking up of champs (limited by Gold and ISO of course).
Speaking of acquiring catalysts via Units, the VALUE of a T2A is 20 Units. Greater Banquet Crystal will most likely have the highest chance of acquiring 5x T2A. This is an equivalent Unit value of 100 Units. It will cost 300 Units for a GBC with likely return equivalent to 100 Units. Increasing the number of T2A to 10 or even a 100 wouldn't matter since we can't sell T2A.
I understand that this is not the right place to ask this question, however, it is about time T4CC and T2A be allowed to be sold. They cannot be used after taking a 6 star to R3 and neither has any use for a 7 star. It can be locked by progression to impede newer summoners jumping through content faster with champs too strong for content tailored to their progression level so they don't hit a wall. For many of us, there will be a plethora of T2A in overflow after the Banquet this year and that is a huge turn-off.
My brother in Christ…you can absolutely sell that nonsense now.
NO WAY!!!! I had no idea! I just checked and you are right! Thanks bro!
Well, I did my first Necro path and now I don’t know what to do.
The gifting crystals appear to stink, so that’s going to be a low participation event for me - get the dust and bail. Maybe the first 7-star.
It’ll take time to replenish revives to consider another path. I don’t know of exploration is really in my future or not.
Using units to explore feels…not great. Like each death would be its own failure. And yet there’s nothing else to do. 8.4 is probably what…Mar/April?
8.4 may be sooner than you think. It’s generally 2-3 months after the beta, which was in November.
I’ll be very surprised if they hit Jan or Feb but that’s be great. They’ve done October - April - October for act 8 iirc. Act 7 chapters were 5 months apart, which would still be March.
The livestream that announced Valiant listed act 8 exploration as “spring 2024”
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WE. DO. NOT. WANT. 7R3. GEMS. IN. MILESTONES.
stop using that as an excuse to give us dogwater rewards.
Thanks
The actionable item is to separate rewards by progression. Sure, maybe the 5 star nexus will be great for a conquerer account but for all of us who haven't touched a 5 star this year, it's as close to nothing as you can get. So you can't make rewards that aren't too busted for new accounts but also feel satisfying for deep accounts, then don't. Make a tier of rewards (and crystals, while you're at it, because if I get t2A or t5b for 300 units then I will have to take a break from MCOC for a while) for Thronebreaker+ and one for everyone below. Or make drop rates of better items proportional to progression level - something as simple as giving meta items a player_title_int_val - 3% boost and vice versa for "bad" drops. As is, I see no incentive to spend many units or much cash this year because these rewards are great for Uncollected and terrible for Paragon.
Unhappy/unwilling consumers won't spend on anything.
The company feels the effects of the loss of revenue.
They do better ASAP to ensure they don't continue to lose money or a loyal consumer base that is their primary source of income.
Summary: There should have been some consideration for the demographic that have a reason to spend more, not pretending act 1 players will have 6* R5s tomorrow because of rewards updated for the current meta.
Regardless of this the concern is fair in terms of the business perspective so its upto us to offer actionable suggestions in the forums as Mike said. So
Number 1 on that list would be to make the points system back to how it was. The point nerf is unnecessary and doesn't make sense if Kabam's concern was on the oversupply of 7 stars or their mats. And Mike's comparison and logic of relic vs abyss nexus fails here because 4k units was enough to give you all the top rewards last time whereas that same 4k units don't even get you halfway this time around and the fun fact is you get nearly the exact same rewards as last time for this range so how is it more worthy in terms of the game's progression. Even double that and put 8k units still only gets u the abyss nexus which is also not close to the top.
Number 2 would be to reduce the crystal cost to 150-200 units if points system remains the same. This can be more the profitable option for them since opening free GBC won't give as much points.
Bonus changes they can do which the top players have also suggested is to add some exclusive progression gated milestones too along with this at least from Cav or Tb. This is harder to implement so no hopes for this time around but can be a good idea for next year. But they should at least implement ideas 1 or 2 if they truly want to make some changes for the best of players and the event.
Now I’ve 100%ed EoP vol 3, Carina 7 for 7, and both story chapters released this year. I’ll get my 16th 6r5 during the next level up and I have a 7r3 and 3 more 7r2 among 22 7-stars.
I get 2 t6b and 2 t3a per week with BG trophies and glory (combined). WHY would I possibly be excited about one of each placed most of the way through the milestones for this event?
Things that are meaningful to me: t6b, t3a, t6cc, ascension dust, 7-star shards. Notice how I didn’t list t4a here. I’m perfectly fine deepening the top of my roster instead of raising the ceiling.
Things that aren’t meaningful: t5b, t2a, t5cc, and portions of 6-star shards that’ll inevitably turn into random dupes for a pittance of 7-star shards.
Kabam miike is honestly a W
https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/336683/rank-up-resources-are-becoming-obsolete#latest
The reason I felt it was important to highlight these catalysts (T4B, T2A, T5B) was because they were considered high value - more on value later. That is showing here today in these Banquet event rewards. The moment a new rarity appears, the previous top rarity slowly starts losing its value. This is proportional to the new rarity pool developing. I think Ascension really helps with that. For anyone that doesn't have a top 6 star already ranked up, will surely use the rank up materials (T4B, T2A, T5B) and look to ascend them as well. This keeps 6 stars relevant and competitive for far much longer. It is a little too late for 5 stars when it comes to end game players or whales but still gives a longer shelf life to 5 stars for the progressing players. There are still a lot of players that join the game today that can benefit from these catalysts and Ascension.
Value - The value of the catalysts, as expected, has been shifting with the progression of the game too. Newer rarity, higher rank, less use of previously coveted catalyst. However, value takes a little more hit when there are multiple ways of acquiring said catalysts. We can acquire catalysts via Units, Loyalty, Battleground Tokens, and Glory. This just speeds up ranking up of champs (limited by Gold and ISO of course).
Speaking of acquiring catalysts via Units, the VALUE of a T2A is 20 Units. Greater Banquet Crystal will most likely have the highest chance of acquiring 5x T2A. This is an equivalent Unit value of 100 Units. It will cost 300 Units for a GBC with likely return equivalent to 100 Units. Increasing the number of T2A to 10 or even a 100 wouldn't matter since we can't sell T2A.
I understand that this is not the right place to ask this question, however, it is about time T4CC and T2A be allowed to be sold. They cannot be used after taking a 6 star to R3 and neither has any use for a 7 star. It can be locked by progression to impede newer summoners jumping through content faster with champs too strong for content tailored to their progression level so they don't hit a wall. For many of us, there will be a plethora of T2A in overflow after the Banquet this year and that is a huge turn-off.
In addition to enabling selling some catalysts, the Banquet should be progression gated. We have solo events gated by progression, crystals gated by progression, sales gated by progression, arenas gated by progression, and so on. Why can we not have Banquet gated by progression when it is an event and a crucial one at that similar to July 4th and Cyber Weekend sales?
It is a easy fix, it's just matter of if Kabam wants to listen or not.
The gifting crystals appear to stink, so that’s going to be a low participation event for me - get the dust and bail. Maybe the first 7-star.
It’ll take time to replenish revives to consider another path. I don’t know of exploration is really in my future or not.
Using units to explore feels…not great. Like each death would be its own failure. And yet there’s nothing else to do. 8.4 is probably what…Mar/April?
The livestream that announced Valiant listed act 8 exploration as “spring 2024”