Legit question for the designer of Dani…

So you design a champion that has a miss mechanic to counter cheat death… Nick and Herc both counter miss.

So you design a mutant, a class that thrives when their specials crit… and you give her a lower crit rate than COLOSSUS…
Look at this:
Dani:

Friggin Colossus:

I don’t understand the thought process here, she doesn’t need this limitation, she feels like a noodle in 8/10 matchups when she doesn’t crit…

Comments

GalactikDonut

If you enjoy playing Dani then that's 100% valid but I do think she has a lot of flaws and people pointing out these flaws is something we need cause then Kabam can get a better idea and buff her accordingly. I know they look at the data mainly when they buff champs but I'm sure they also read the forums frequently.

i can 100% guarantee that what people are saying on the forum has zero impact on how the balance champions

ItsClobberinTime

If you enjoy playing Dani then that's 100% valid but I do think she has a lot of flaws and people pointing out these flaws is something we need cause then Kabam can get a better idea and buff her accordingly. I know they look at the data mainly when they buff champs but I'm sure they also read the forums frequently.
i can 100% guarantee that what people are saying on the forum has zero impact on how the balance champions

You can't guarantee anything cause you don't work for Kabam. If the feedback they get on the forums doesn't matter then what even is the point of creating a forum in the first place?

GalactikDonut

You can't guarantee anything cause you don't work for Kabam. If the feedback they get on the forums doesn't matter then what even is the point of creating a forum in the first place?

to help foster a community around the game. not have players make balance changes. they have said before that they balance champions off the data they have and the goals they intend for them to meet, specifically saying that they do not buff or nerf champions based on what players think of them

GroundedWisdom

I literally just clued in to the fact that I was thinking of Peni and not Dani. That's a duh moment on my part.

As for Dani, I have her at R5, and you need to know how to navigate her Damage.
Bruh people can’t seriously say she’s a good champion when she can’t even take the matchup she was designed to take properly. Also, I’d love her to be able to do more than just Nick Fury and Zemo… as soon as they’re placed on hazard shift or something it’s over anyway, I feel like Dani was designed without nodes in mind lol
You do realize that preventing K.O. bypass isn't her only use, right?
I think what he's trying to say is there's no reason to use Dani over the other top 10-15 mutants in the game because she doesn't really bring anything to the table other than damage since her utility isn't reliable in the matchups she's supposed to be really good for, which to a certain extent I have to agree with. I'd rather use Toad AA or even Peni (who isn't even mutant) over Dani for Nick.
That's really a never-ending game of comparison, though. The bar isn't really who you would prefer over specific Champs. That's the problem with Tier lists. They tend to undervalue Champs that aren't the most preferred.
If you use her correctly, she has good Damage, and the Falter makes her quite good for avoiding Damage as well. She's a bit tricky, but once you get her rotation rhythm, she's quite the little ninja.
Tier lists aren't about who you prefer, just who's better overall. Toad and AA are indeed better Nick counters and they can both shut down his second life consistently unlike Dani.
If you enjoy playing Dani then that's 100% valid but I do think she has a lot of flaws and people pointing out these flaws is something we need cause then Kabam can get a better idea and buff her accordingly. I know they look at the data mainly when they buff champs but I'm sure they also read the forums frequently.

Better is subjective, based on what they're used for. All Tier lists are is personal reviews. That has as much to do with where a Player is at as it does preference.

ItsClobberinTime

You can't guarantee anything cause you don't work for Kabam. If the feedback they get on the forums doesn't matter then what even is the point of creating a forum in the first place?
to help foster a community around the game. not have players make balance changes. they have said before that they balance champions off the data they have and the goals they intend for them to meet, specifically saying that they do not buff or nerf champions based on what players think of them

I never claimed we're making the changes, neither did I claim balancing changes are made based on what the community says cause yes they focus mainly on the data or whatever. That doesn't however mean they ignore any sort of feedback they get on the forums, and that goes not only for buffs and nerfs but bugs and other issues as well.

ItsClobberinTime

I literally just clued in to the fact that I was thinking of Peni and not Dani. That's a duh moment on my part.

As for Dani, I have her at R5, and you need to know how to navigate her Damage.
Bruh people can’t seriously say she’s a good champion when she can’t even take the matchup she was designed to take properly. Also, I’d love her to be able to do more than just Nick Fury and Zemo… as soon as they’re placed on hazard shift or something it’s over anyway, I feel like Dani was designed without nodes in mind lol
You do realize that preventing K.O. bypass isn't her only use, right?
I think what he's trying to say is there's no reason to use Dani over the other top 10-15 mutants in the game because she doesn't really bring anything to the table other than damage since her utility isn't reliable in the matchups she's supposed to be really good for, which to a certain extent I have to agree with. I'd rather use Toad AA or even Peni (who isn't even mutant) over Dani for Nick.
That's really a never-ending game of comparison, though. The bar isn't really who you would prefer over specific Champs. That's the problem with Tier lists. They tend to undervalue Champs that aren't the most preferred.
If you use her correctly, she has good Damage, and the Falter makes her quite good for avoiding Damage as well. She's a bit tricky, but once you get her rotation rhythm, she's quite the little ninja.
Tier lists aren't about who you prefer, just who's better overall. Toad and AA are indeed better Nick counters and they can both shut down his second life consistently unlike Dani.
If you enjoy playing Dani then that's 100% valid but I do think she has a lot of flaws and people pointing out these flaws is something we need cause then Kabam can get a better idea and buff her accordingly. I know they look at the data mainly when they buff champs but I'm sure they also read the forums frequently.
Better is subjective, based on what they're used for. All Tier lists are is personal reviews. That has as much to do with where a Player is at as it does preference.

I don't think so, for most people better = damage and utility. Dani has damage but unfortunately lacks utility, well she has utility but it simply doesn't work the way it should.

GroundedWisdom

I literally just clued in to the fact that I was thinking of Peni and not Dani. That's a duh moment on my part.

As for Dani, I have her at R5, and you need to know how to navigate her Damage.
Bruh people can’t seriously say she’s a good champion when she can’t even take the matchup she was designed to take properly. Also, I’d love her to be able to do more than just Nick Fury and Zemo… as soon as they’re placed on hazard shift or something it’s over anyway, I feel like Dani was designed without nodes in mind lol
You do realize that preventing K.O. bypass isn't her only use, right?
I think what he's trying to say is there's no reason to use Dani over the other top 10-15 mutants in the game because she doesn't really bring anything to the table other than damage since her utility isn't reliable in the matchups she's supposed to be really good for, which to a certain extent I have to agree with. I'd rather use Toad AA or even Peni (who isn't even mutant) over Dani for Nick.
That's really a never-ending game of comparison, though. The bar isn't really who you would prefer over specific Champs. That's the problem with Tier lists. They tend to undervalue Champs that aren't the most preferred.
If you use her correctly, she has good Damage, and the Falter makes her quite good for avoiding Damage as well. She's a bit tricky, but once you get her rotation rhythm, she's quite the little ninja.
Tier lists aren't about who you prefer, just who's better overall. Toad and AA are indeed better Nick counters and they can both shut down his second life consistently unlike Dani.
If you enjoy playing Dani then that's 100% valid but I do think she has a lot of flaws and people pointing out these flaws is something we need cause then Kabam can get a better idea and buff her accordingly. I know they look at the data mainly when they buff champs but I'm sure they also read the forums frequently.
Better is subjective, based on what they're used for. All Tier lists are is personal reviews. That has as much to do with where a Player is at as it does preference.
I don't think so, for most people better = damage and utility. Dani has damage but unfortunately lacks utility, well she has utility but it simply doesn't work the way it should.

They're buffing her to make that utility more viable. They mentioned playing around with tying it into Neuro.
The point I'm making is better is always a chase. This one is better than that one, that one is better than this one, etc. That all depends on what you're using them for.
If they released every Champ to compare with the top of those lists, the game would be in shambles.
I suppose I'm a bit partial because she was my first R5, but I also feel she's solid overall. Tricky, but solid. She's not what you would call "Top Tier Super Unique Swiss Army" solid. Which isn't a reasonable goal to set in my opinion.
There will always be a range, and a variation in what they do. The difference in our opinions and their data is they're learning from when they overshoot just as much as underestimate.

SecondSkriller

I literally just clued in to the fact that I was thinking of Peni and not Dani. That's a duh moment on my part.

As for Dani, I have her at R5, and you need to know how to navigate her Damage.
Bruh people can’t seriously say she’s a good champion when she can’t even take the matchup she was designed to take properly. Also, I’d love her to be able to do more than just Nick Fury and Zemo… as soon as they’re placed on hazard shift or something it’s over anyway, I feel like Dani was designed without nodes in mind lol
You do realize that preventing K.O. bypass isn't her only use, right?
I think what he's trying to say is there's no reason to use Dani over the other top 10-15 mutants in the game because she doesn't really bring anything to the table other than damage since her utility isn't reliable in the matchups she's supposed to be really good for, which to a certain extent I have to agree with. I'd rather use Toad AA or even Peni (who isn't even mutant) over Dani for Nick.

Yeah, this is what I mean @GroundedWisdom .