Raids vs QOL

The feeling is that Raids are going exactly the opposite direction of all the QOL improvements Kabam has done lately

I'm Valiant and liked the Necropolis , but I'm just hating to fight Maestro as the first boss. Many times the charges don't get registered and he's very punishing.

Plus all the team coordination needed over a 6 days span makes it so annoying and stressful for people that have a life, work, or family and are not just there in the same office but maybe spread over different timezones.

This is so much worse than early times AQs. Honestly It's like they selected all the game design problems that were already fixed in other game modes and put them all together into Raids.

All my anticipation is dead and just want to wait for the week to end.

Just sharing my thoughts.

Comments

MarvelNoob

I feel this, it was horrendous trying to get communication across with my ally and next thing you know we have 6 guys in the same lane for who knows what reason and one guy is all alone missing out on the chest rewards. It's frustrating to say the least

Bulmkt

Raids isn’t QOL - it’s No Life

PT_99

Bro you should be thankful that you're fighting Maestro as 1st enemy, later fights gets harder and harder.

GotchaRexi

They should build in some sort of option that allows you to do normal AQ instead of forcing you to do raids... That way if you prefer normal AQ you can just do that.

Slig

This is nowhere near as bad as early aq with the linked nodes. My alliance at the time had spreadsheets and detailed instructions of who had to move when. It was awful.

Zuko_ILC

Raids could be fun but the QOL reverting to old ways ruins this mode. There are a lot of improvements that need to be made. Game mode can be fun but right now I'd rather just run AQ again. 10% cap should be removed. We have a 3 minute timer...let that decide damage u can do. Points give better rewards and thats fair to let better skilled players. Pierce is way too strong in this mode. I expect first test run to be exactly that. A test and feedback for improvements.

Qwerty12345

I find the idea that "content creators" got a week of free practice in raids, and got more items for their runs than players got. Many of the ones who streamed the content are generally considered some of the top players in the games... and many of them struggled to get through 2 bosses with 20 revives.

Giving players only 14 revives, especially the first go around is appalling. It is going to take a run or two for people to figure things out, and for kinks to be worked out (e.g. losing all your charges if the game disconnects, allowing players to go down a lane that doesn't match their champ type... um ... there is a gate mechanic in the game, would easily solve this).

Maybe after 2 runs this would be fine... but we should have been given 3-4 revives this first cycle (3 would basically match what the content creators struggled with).

If "the economy of the game would have been broken"... their raids should have been on a public beta... or have the first cycle be with tuned down rewards (matching normal AQ at minimum) with the clear statement that the real rewards will be higher, that this is just a beta....

kind of like how Act 7 and 8 betas are done.

Then... there are the champ selections. Some of those champs are not viable. Nick... is going to die regardless how well you do on first fight. Now you are stuck on 2nd life the remainder of the quest, and his DOT doesn't scale.

The "good news" is the accidently glory bug can be used to buy extra potions and such... so I a guess "compensation" isn't really in order.

Thokk150

They should build in some sort of option that allows you to do normal AQ instead of forcing you to do raids... That way if you prefer normal AQ you can just do that.

There is, if officers decide to do aq you can do that instead of raids

Squirrelguy

You guys are coordinating things? (insert meme with pre-pubescent Adam Warlock)

Seriously, am playing with a more casual alliance that I doubt even fully knows how Raids work and it's not been an issue so far. Just jump on every 4-5 hours and do a fight. Sure, you get 2 revives a day that are free, but other consumables still work for me, and the first Maestro fight was pretty easy if I didn't make any stupid mistakes with a low health revive.

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Vegeta9001

I like raids in concept, I just work 11-14 hours a day and this mode borderline requires you to be in the same timezone as your alliancemates or to essentially live on the game.

Ashacekar

What QoL? My alliance is just chilling. We tag eachother in discord when revives arrive and do couple of runs in needed cycle and then nothing for the day. Though there was one member who joined with wrong role and another who shouldn't have but we will get better. Also my alliance is global, we don't have timezone issues.

Emilia90

My biggest problem is the link nodes to ultron. Without them, I’d be very happy with the mode as a whole

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VıvMEHTERANvıV

Boss HP is Very high. İt must be around 40-50 M

Real_Madrid_76_2

Ask my experience. Getting almost no help from Ally mates. Alone got 22m points for the event. And not even confident we are gonna complete a single raids event

hungryhungrybbq

What I'm not happy about is that it locks your Raid champ.. even from solo, for a week. Biggest problem with that will be that you can't use anyone you even have a small chance of needing for AW attack (based on opponent placement - which we don't know until it starts) for your Raid runs.. in case you might need them for a war fight that week.. at least with AQ, there are 24hr segments and you can view the war board before committing the next 24 hrs, etc. This is just blindly locking a champ for a week.

hungryhungrybbq

Were already selecting from a limited pool of champs to use in the raid, but now add to that a fear that you might need this champ in the next 2-3 wars at some point and I'm left hesitant to use the best Raid options I have and end up selecting a less effective Raid champ because of it.

SuelGames

This mode is HORRIBLE and i hope it gets the Bases treatment. BE GONE!!

I mean after removing linked nodes in AQ and reducing a day on it, i thought we were going somewhere.. seriouslly who had the brilhant idea to come up with this boring and annoying game mode?

Im running away from alliances that are doing this, idc for the rewards, its not worth the stress

spacejumper5193

Maestro boss is horrible, that degen will kill anyone from full health and he is all to happy to spam that sp1. Plus his block penetration is brutal as well. We need more than 2 daily revives in the store. The cost to play is way to high for a new mode. Please reconsider the mode as a whole, it is stressful for all players trying to coordinate and dying without doing more than even 5% off the boss. Please Kabam increase the limit on the revives from 2 maybe up to 4 or 5.

HERU

This mode is HORRIBLE and i hope it gets the Bases treatment. BE GONE!!

I agree 100%

jcphillips7

My biggest problem is the link nodes to ultron. Without them, I’d be very happy with the mode as a whole

This is my main issue at the moment. First Raid was bound to have issues, and in my alliance it’s the right path. Someone botched who they brought, as well as the backup guy, so they have 3 assault and 1 Vanguard. They’re obviously stuck on first boss. Center guys are chipping down second boss, and myself and 2 other officers have made it to Ultron on Left path. We tried Ultron last night, and with the nature of his ‘special swap’ node, waiting out his evade, along with the Degen on top of that…it was next to impossible to do anything to him. I was able to get up to and use my sp2 with Iron Man, and then build to a sp1, and as soon as I launched sp1, the degen had killed me (starting from 100%) before the beams even hit him.

JT_Supreme

I’m either getting 10% in a minute or getting degened to death from maestro in 30 seconds. So I’m playing a total of 2 minutes (the 2 free revives) a day in aq, and it doesn’t feel engaging.

SammyDe

I’m either getting 10% in a minute or getting degened to death from maestro in 30 seconds. So I’m playing a total of 2 minutes (the 2 free revives) a day in aq, and it doesn’t feel engaging.

I had been using the normal AQ revives to help build the charges for the team because two revives don’t really do much when one beam can kill you from Maestro.

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DNA3000

The feeling is that Raids are going exactly the opposite direction of all the QOL improvements Kabam has done lately

Yes, deliberately so.

AQ was originally intended to be alliance content - as in, to require an entire alliance to work together in a coordinated fashion to complete it. In other words, it was actually intended to be MCOC's version of MMO raids. However, over time it evolved organically to be something different, or at least a large portion of the playerbase pushed it to be something different. There were a lot of players who were treating it as a much more casual affair and wanted it to be even moreso. Energy management, path management, cost management, fight coordination, team coordination, was more than a lot of players wanted to do. So the developers began removing much of those elements from AQ: hidden nodes, links, path energy were all removed or reduced to make AQ a much more friendly affair.

Which is fine for the players who wanted a more casual mode, but what about the players who wanted a more involved coordinated mode? That's what Raids are there to provide: the other side of the coin. Standard AQ becomes the casual AQ mode, and Raids become the more involved mode. Raids remove all those QOL improvements to AQ because they aren't universal QOL. They are QOL for the players who want a more casual mode. But for players who wanted a more involved mode, it was the exact opposite: it was the slow death of the mode.

Raids are going in the exact opposite direction because it is supposed to go in the exact opposite direction, because not everyone wanted to go in the direction standard AQ was heading. If you don't want to go where Raids is heading, don't board that train.

jcphillips7

The feeling is that Raids are going exactly the opposite direction of all the QOL improvements Kabam has done lately
Yes, deliberately so.

AQ was originally intended to be alliance content - as in, to require an entire alliance to work together in a coordinated fashion to complete it. In other words, it was actually intended to be MCOC's version of MMO raids. However, over time it evolved organically to be something different, or at least a large portion of the playerbase pushed it to be something different. There were a lot of players who were treating it as a much more casual affair and wanted it to be even moreso. Energy management, path management, cost management, fight coordination, team coordination, was more than a lot of players wanted to do. So the developers began removing much of those elements from AQ: hidden nodes, links, path energy were all removed or reduced to make AQ a much more friendly affair.

Which is fine for the players who wanted a more casual mode, but what about the players who wanted a more involved coordinated mode? That's what Raids are there to provide: the other side of the coin. Standard AQ becomes the casual AQ mode, and Raids become the more involved mode. Raids remove all those QOL improvements to AQ because they aren't universal QOL. They are QOL for the players who want a more casual mode. But for players who wanted a more involved mode, it was the exact opposite: it was the slow death of the mode.

Raids are going in the exact opposite direction because it is supposed to go in the exact opposite direction, because not everyone wanted to go in the direction standard AQ was heading. If you don't want to go where Raids is heading, don't board that train.

Agreed. Normal AQ is like trying to get your child to eat their vegetables. They usually don’t want to, but it’s a necessity. To get that chunk of glory at the end of the 5 days. And to be quite frank, before they added T6B, T3A, and T6CC…I refused to believe it was even a necessity for me. Some in my alliance still needed things from the store, but I was quite content not even doing the mode at all if I had it my way.

Now with Raids, it’s at least adding something new with much better rewards. It has its problems, sure, but I’d do Raids all day, everyday over normal AQ.

evilKINGwilson

It should be scrapped, vanished , burned to the ground.

I don't think the concept is even salvageable.

Start over please Kabam

SuelGames

Is there an official post regarding feedback of this trash raid mode? Ive been away from the foruns for several months

Markjv81

I think with a few small tweaks and overtime learning the fights, it can be very good.
Think back to how long it took you to learn map 6/7/8 when they were introduced.